| IVOD_ID |
166870 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166870 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-07T09:55:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-07T10:07:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:49 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8a4de0f3676b468f1c9f6ca19377f4765d44f5a94e3adf353ec197a1c72cb6c4a7f691524d59037b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
郭國文 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:55:45 - 10:07:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請金融監督管理委員會主任委員彭金隆、財政部部長莊翠雲、國家發展委員會副主任委員就「如何引導國內資金擴大參與公共建設及策略性產業」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝主席有請彭主委請彭主委 |
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委員長主委長 討論到今天的主題其實受險之所以不願意回流投資的原因一來 國內投資標的非常有限二來 他為了投資預定利率比較高的地方卻是有高風險的情況底下由於形成了過去過度高利的債券然後過度的吸金 過度的曝險才會有過度的避險這是惡性循環的問題 |
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即便如果你現在修正了這個會計原則的一個定義那會計界也配合你的情況底下但我們如果沒有解決這個過度曝險的問題其實可能會讓問題更加的惡化所以本席先提醒一下這個彭主委彭主委就像最近討論到委內瑞拉的問題當中本席就要就教於您了委內瑞拉這個部分金融業部分就銀行業的部分總共在委內瑞拉曝險總共145億 |
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其中單一業者金額就超過135億投資什麼什麼項目都不清楚這種曝險的情況底下讓整個存款戶會憂心忡忡到底我這一家有沒有中標 |
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這個問題主委你有沒有特別去注意它當然這個事情一發生以後我們第一時間就開始去了解因為這已經不是第一次前一陣子南非比如說俄羅斯其實我們都很關注我們充分的掌握這些那到底投資的是什麼它是主要投資國際開發銀行的債券國際開發銀行債券那債券的等級又怎麼樣 |
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這個等級應該是AA吧AA 那就我們比較放心就是要披露啊可是呢主要是牽涉到委內瑞拉有AA的還好你如果WB的你就慘了你去看一下哥倫比亞的哥倫比亞目前曝險的金額高達是1385億1385億單一的業者你知道嗎就高達629億 |
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那依照目前的金控法的第46條三大金控對哥倫比亞的曝險都應該要分別揭露富邦187億國貸184億中信163億可是呢這三個看起來都是小咖了最大咖是629億不曉得是哪一個保險公司 |
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依照現在監控法當中只有監控接入保險公司不一定要接入可是我個人的評估單一鋪險業者規模可以投入投到這麼高的金額算一算 主委我們來猜一米是不是南山我請問你我們想說是不是南山對不對 對嘛我沒有說好這要跟他們確認一下對不對你就講一下就好你連這個都沒掌握629億呢 |
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對是三大金控加起來還不夠他的多呢是哪一家是南山是南山嘛這629億是南山為什麼還需要這麼拆來拆去呢有三大金融業在海外的曝險只有金控的部分要揭露里當銀行要揭露保險要揭露 |
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都應該要揭露才對啊不是嗎主委我們應該去修法對不對應該比照監控法第46條對不對我想我們會來研究那個資訊充分揭露這件事情本來就是為什麼要揭露就是說目前投資的這些高利的這個垃圾債已經降到BP級本來是BP加上BBA |
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就是哥倫比亞的主權債還有包括國家石油債都被惠譽這個調降到雙方調到BBA統計上這個高達1385的這個垃圾債這麼高 主委你要怎麼辦 |
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三大金控再加上南山要怎麼處理我想這部分因為其實他們在整個可以投資這裡都是我們法規規定他一定有配比一定有一定的條件這本來就是一定是他們現在合規只是說配比一定的條件就高達七成了啦譬如說他投資的時候跟現在的狀況比如說會計上該認列預期損失他們就該認列但是剛剛講說主委你要如何把他特別輔導讓他負險減少把他引回來這是一個很重要的關鍵 |
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為什麼這些受險公司願意把這個錢拿去川普口中的這些毒梟集團啊而不願意回流投資這些公共的這個建設啊只因為利率高就一直投 |
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是風險於無物目前還是這樣為止你現在給他蘿蔔說修改這一個公允的原則的定義還是會計公允原則的定義可是你沒有減少他曝險的可能性這要相對來進行主委你不覺得嗎 |
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當然是 剛剛委員提到有兩個風險一個是匯率 一個是信用風險這兩個是完全不一樣的做法因為剛剛提到一個是匯率風險對 這裡是信用風險那又是信用風險對但是有沒有可能我們現在接軌IFRS 17還有包括ICS的過渡期有15年的過渡期你應該設定一個KPI或者是一個操作模式讓它要求每年逐年降低這個曝險的金額有沒有可能 |
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這機制把它融入進去這要從制度解決不是從個案解決我們來檢討一下比如說我們現在對這些比如說非投資等級的投資的比重跟投資的金額以及投資的限制這些我們從制度上來解決麻煩就從制度上來解決以減少曝險不要七成目標那麼高一直要降下來降多少好不好麻煩你研究一下就是風險跟報酬上面 |
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然後麻煩你這個方法一個月後給本席一個這內容你要如何讓他回來這是第一個第二個呢最近本席有提到這個轉大人ETF的部分我知道國發會的副主委來國發會副主委來一下你們跟衛福部還有那個金管會的主委也看我先問一下金管會主委這個彭主委你怎麼看這個案子 |
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有沒有可能跟TESA結合過去我們的TESA是著重在成年以後的第三支柱的建構那這次的重點是在於出生新生兒到他成年之前的所謂的第一桶金的建構我覺得觀念上是一致的但是我們原來做的目標是等於說不一樣不過這個東西其實上可以結合對象別不同嘛那個高富我想這個部分應該有一個確定的方向以前的衛福部這個兒少專戶應該只是存款 |
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現在要變成流量變成投資嘛這個方向定了嘛我想現在行政院正在有交由相關部會研議當中那個國會我覺得建議你在高度衛福部有他的局限性的限制應該讓金管會扮演比較大的角色啦好 現在請回我請金管會主委主委你如果說比照TESA就會出現一個問題台灣TESA我請財政部長上來一下 |
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TESA過去以NISA半年的實施我們比照NISANISA半年的實施就有727萬戶日本我們弄了半年我們才7萬戶人家的零頭差了720萬戶人家的金額是多少1.5兆的日幣總共新台幣大概是3000億我們多少搞了半年才90億 |
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主委你沒有挫折感我看的都很有挫折感其實跟我們報告我完全沒有挫折感你沒有挫折感差那麼多你沒有挫折感你這麼有信心我們對制度的建立我們在培養國人長期投資的關係原因就是誘因太低主委講白點早期我就跟你講你TESA只有手續費的經理費的部分誘因太低關鍵還是在稅人家的稅額在TESA 1.0的部分有100萬的免稅額 |
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到现在终身2.0是有1800万了终身 |
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足足是超过五百多万三百多万那个来来来那个主委你休息一下我知道不是您问题是部长的问题部长这个问题呢就是要如何股市全民受分享大家愿意投入一个很重要的东西就是在这个部分可是过去财政部过度以待所得税的部分我们整个税源的结构过度以待所得税税顺便你频频不敢放嘛 |
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你們應該稍微釋放一下這個所得稅的部分讓這個金額擴大一下才能真的讓整個TESA能夠增加之前剛剛提到了這個部分當大人ETF是小孩子你要讓全民共享的話真的要靠TESA部長 |
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跟委員報告有關TISA跟NISA的比較其實我們也做過比較那目前台灣所推現行有關各方面的稅負的優惠其實並不輸給NISA但是為了這個所謂的ETF他所謂的TISA這個部分 |
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要不要再擴大釋出有關的租稅的一些優惠的部分那才任務也和金管會一直在持續的討論所以主委要求是所得啦部長你所得的部分只要你比照勞保自體勞退自體6%的設計你用一個設計上有一個總和的設計基本上就可以吸引到很多人來加入我們的TISA部長你稍微旁邊稍微休息一下我問一下主委 |
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再拉回來說不斷是整個這個整個稅制的優惠的一個關鍵之外還有你有沒有可能泛寬標的你目前為止只有35黨的基金有18家投信業者的加入但是只侷限於基金沒有開放到台股或ETF的情況底下我覺得那個 |
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626.402 |
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你要稍微要放寬一點這個是我們我們是一個逐步漸進的策略逐步漸進 來因為主要是我們的TESA你要怎麼逐步 我很好奇一個月的時間麻煩報告一下來 那我再請一下部長部長我剛剛讓你漏掉你TESA的這個鼓勵的部分要限額免稅的部分你說你有在評估麻煩一下 麻煩一下一個月給我報告一下給我一份報告一下 好不好好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
627.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
645.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
最後一個部分也是跟部長有關係財政部長 部長慢點走主席給我一分鐘一下最後一個這很關鍵我們現在有91.4萬的空屋還沒有釋出當社宅所以說以至於讓我們社會住宅現在停擺目前多屋持有者的部分在2021 10戶以上有總共1734件1007件補稅補了1億5戶以上17603件3053戶補稅1.4億2024年18000件 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
656.593 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
673.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
目前的進度怎麼樣目前進度是我請負稅署署長來幫我說明一下要划幾件 補多少稅您是說那個主任第三波 多無自由者高風險查核計畫我們才還沒 最後一季的還沒回報那上次已經是我記得那稅額是 第二次有回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
674.793 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
693.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
因為我們是按計以回報的第二次你已經披露了可是第三次你什麼時候會披露您說是八千戶那第三波第三次的專案查核因為是兩年為期所以是到去年為止對 去年為止目前還沒回報最後的結果那大概什麼時候我們設定的日期是什麼時候回報可能要到二月二月因為他們要結案再回報那個跡象農曆過年前可以出來嗎 |
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702.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
707.976 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
農曆過年期 我們趕趕看好不好好 就麻煩了 那個署長謝謝部長 謝謝主委 謝謝主席 |