| IVOD_ID |
16683 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16683 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-19T08:30:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-19T12:23:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:52:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77db9d66b4f497eb78a021a0c6ed6363745a52bdb8234cc31cac92bc0e2bb213bf065ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理或審查114年度中央政府總預算有關農業部及所屬主管預算凍結案等30案。
二、處理或審查114年度中央政府總預算有關公平交易委員會主管預算凍結案等8案。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:58 - 12:23:00 |
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谢谢观看,下次见! |
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谢谢观看 |
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字幕志愿者 杨茜茜 |
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MING PAO CANADA MING PAO TORONTO |
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谢谢大家 |
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好請組密報告出席人數報告全體會出席委員13人以足法定人數現在開會進行報告事項請宣讀上次會議事錄及報告事項第二案及第三案預算解凍等24案 |
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立法院第十一屆第三會期經濟委員會第十二次全體委員會議事錄時間114年5月8日星期四九十二分至十一時十七分地點黃樓101會議室出席委員林幹化等14人列席委員羅明財等13人列席人員個人資料保護委員會籌備處主任李士德等主席蔡佳琪委員役於 |
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2094.225 |
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报告事项 宣读上次会议事录 决定 确定讨论事项 审查行政行情审议 个人资料保护法 部分条件修正查案等事案讨论事项 合并询答 个人资料保护委员会筹备处主任李士德报告后 委员林道化等10人提出质询 均由个人资料保护委员会筹备处主任李士德等及其答复 |
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登記發言委員除不在場者外 均已發言完畢 詢答結束委員 李毅林 謝一鳳 張家俊及陳昌明 所提書面質詢列入紀錄 刊登公報書面質詢和問及答案部分 請相關單位予以周內書面答覆並複製本會決議 詢答結束 並定期進行審查 散會 |
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主體114年度中央政府總預算案有關農業部及所屬主管預算凍結案等18案1.農業部函為114年度中央政府總預算決議減算該部一般事務費預算凍結200萬元書面報告案2.減算該部一般行政預算凍結1000萬元書面報告案3.農業 |
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2140.273 |
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2147.836 |
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減送該部農業管理預算凍結2億元輸入報告案4減送該部社會保險業務預算凍結100萬元輸入報告案5減送該部農民福利業務預算凍結100萬元輸入報告案6 |
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2155.198 |
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2173.952 |
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减送林业及自然保育署及所属委判份预算冻结200万元书面报告案7.减送林业及自然保育署及所属林业发展预算冻结2000万元书面报告案8.减送农村发展及水土保持署水土保持发展预算冻结1000万元书面报告案9.减送茶及饮料作物 |
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2189.092 |
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改良廠總廠能簽之環評等先期規劃預算凍結500萬元輸入報告案10減送漁業署及所屬漁業科技研究發展預算凍結300萬元輸入報告案11減送漁業署及所屬漁業管理預算凍結500萬元輸入報告案12 |
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2207.388 |
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减送渔业署及所属渔业发展预算冻结1000万元数目报告案13减送动植物防疫检疫署及所属动植物防疫检疫防检疫管理预算冻结500万元数目报告案14减送农业金融署农业金融机构管理预算冻结200万元数目报告案15 |
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減送農糧署農業管理預算凍結3000萬元 書面包括案16減送農田水利署農田水利發展預算凍結500萬元 書面包括案17減送農業部綜合規劃預算凍結1000萬元 書面包括案18減送農業部業務費預算凍結450萬元 書面包括案 |
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處理114年度中央政府總預算有關公平交友委員會主管預算凍結案等六案一公平交友委員會喊後114年度中央政府總預算決議檢訟第二幕第三節法務及行政救濟業務預算凍結50萬元輸入報告案二檢訟第二幕第四節綜合規劃及宣導業務預算凍結50萬元輸入報告案三 |
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檢証資訊業務及經濟分析產業資料管理預算凍結80萬元書面報告案4.檢証第二幕第一節公平交易業務限制競爭行為調查處理預算凍結100萬元書面報告案5.檢証第二幕第二節不公平競爭行為調查處理及多層次傳銷管理預算凍結50萬元書面報告案6.檢証第二幕第五節真正擬定及國際交流業務預算凍結100萬元書面報告案 宣導揚平 |
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好那我們現在處理兩個第一個就是義式路請問各位委員上次會義式路有錯誤 |
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好那議事錄確定那第二個我們來處理報告事項的第二案及第三案分別為農業部預算解凍案第一案及第十至第十八案以及公平教育委員會預算解凍案第一案至第六案當時的決議是提出訴願報告後始得動之現在訴願報告已經送達預算得以動之請問各位委員對於這個得以動之有異議 |
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好沒有的話我們就通過並理據報告提報院會 |
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喔要收音齁好那先用麥克風那我再問一次齁好針對我剛剛講的農業部預算解凍案以及公平教育委員會預算解凍案書面報告的部分因為決議是提出書面報告後使得動之那我們是不是這部分先得與動之各位委員有異議沒有好沒有的話就通過好那我們現在繼續進行討論事項請一併宣讀 |
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討論事項1.審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關農業部及所屬主管預算凍結案等12案1.農業部函為114年度中央政府總預算決議減送該部業務費預算凍結30%專案報告案2.減送該 |
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農業部農業科技研究發展預算凍結2000萬元專案報告案3.檢証農業部建置我國寵物管理及產業健全發展計畫預算凍結10%專案報告案4.檢証農業部補助農業特別收入基金預算凍結5億元專案報告案5.檢証農業部農民保險業務 |
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預算凍結1000萬元專案報告案6減送林業及自然保育署及所屬業務費預算凍結30%專案報告案7減送農村發展及水土保質署業務費預算凍結10%專案報告案8減送漁業署及所屬業務費預算凍結30%專案報告案9減送動植物防疫檢疫署及所屬業務費預算凍結30%專案報告案10減送農糧署及所屬業務費預算凍結30%專案報告案11 |
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减送农田水利署业务费预算冻结30%专案报告案12减送农田水利署农田水利跨域整合永续发展计划预算冻结10%专案报告案2审查114年度中央政府总预算有关公平交易委员会主管预算冻结案等二案1公平交易委员会罕会114年度中央政府总预算决议减送业务费预算冻结30%专案报告案2 |
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檢訟第二戶第一節第一三級產業獨佔結合及聯合行為之調查處理預算斷絕100萬元專案報告案 宣布案例好那我們現在我先介紹我們今天與會的委員列席的委員以及我們在場的官員那首先有我們陳廷飛陳委員還有我們邱毅迎邱委員那我們農業部部長陳俊記陳部長 |
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2500.375 |
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還有公平教育委員會我們的代理主任委員陳志明陳代理主委還有我們行政院主計總處公務預算處專門委員張正輝好那以及我們農業部以及公平會的相關的機關都有一併的列席那本日議程所列討論事項有 |
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114年度中央政府總預算有關農業部及所屬預算所屬主管預算凍結等12案以及公平教育委員會主管預算凍結等兩案我們合併報告及詢答那我們現在先請農業部陳俊記部長就預算解凍等12案合併報告來請我們部長 |
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主席、各位委員、各位女士、各位先生今天應邀向大院經濟委員會就本部主管114年度預算案提出報告那以下僅就這次凍結的30案裡面的12項必須經過委員會專案報告後含重大院在案那各項決議的辦理情形我們列於副表那以下僅就整個的一個解凍案做簡要的一個說明 |
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在討論案裡面的12案裡面凍結的預算大概是29.83億那包括本部的5案凍結7.86億那所屬機關包括林保署農村水保署漁業署房檢署農糧署及農水署共7個案凍結21.97億那在本部的部分所凍結的部分最主要是業務費農業科技發展向下的預算還有動物保護管理 |
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以及補助農業特別收入基金農民保險等各項那在業務費部分最主要是針對委辦費還有業用人員的籌金及水電費等那都是我們維持機關運作所需要的那在有關於農業科技的部分那最主要的業務費在執行有關於智慧農業數位轉型以及相關的跨領域工作的一個推動 |
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至於有關於動物保護管理的部分最主要是在辦理寵物分類分級管理以及強化寵物食品安全引導寵物產業正向發展的必要經費有關於農業特別收入基金的部分 |
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最主要是辦理農林榆木產業以及農村在活化農產品建國損害的一個相關的作業業務相關的情形針對農業保險業務費的刪除的凍結最主要是在辦理農民參加農保還有健保的相關的保費的補助的行政作業以及撥補農保虧損的法律義務支出所屬的 |
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機關的棄案凍結總共21.97億那有關於林業保育署的業務費那這些業務費最主要是在執行生態資源的調查還有 |
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物種的一個保育那野火的一個防救以及外來種入侵的防治等那都是相關的必要工作在農村水保署相關的業務會被凍結10%那最主要是在處理整個置山防洪的相關的計畫還有大規模崩塌及不安定屠殺的相關的計畫的執行那同時更重要是針對崇化區外的緊急農路的設施改善的計畫 |
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也是我想對於整個的一個訊息已經來了這方面的工作非常重要那至於漁業署的部分的業務會被凍結30%那最主要是針對沿境海及遠洋漁業的漁船專案的收購以及漁業資源養護的管理還有完善水產品溯源制度等必要的一個工作那動植物防疫檢疫署 |
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的業務費被凍結30%那這些業務費最主要是在推動動植物防疫檢疫的研發技術那維持他的相關的機關的基本行政工作以及屠宰衛生的安全還有參與國際事務等相關的業務農業央署的部分的業務最主動解30%那這項預算最主要是在委辦還有約用人員籌金及水電費等 |
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那及相關的這些天然災害救助的時候的一些災害準備進行的合撥的業務的需要的那農田水利署的業務費被凍結30%那這些費用最主要是辦理早期農地重發區農水路更新改善及辦理農地重發實施地區的一個規劃還有擴大關區服務等相關的一個技術的服務以及整個的一個平台的一個相關的應用執行 |
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那農水署的部分特別是在農田水利跨域整合永續發展計畫裡面被凍結10%那這個部分最主要是在處理農業水資源的那個 |
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儲備空間增進枯水期跟風水期的水資源的調度能力同時也維護農業用水安全來執行相關精準化的智慧灌溉服務等由於本部的各項施政計畫均配合國家政策及農業的發展循序推動 |
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2848.31 |
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那前述各項預算攸關於改善農業的一個整體經營環境確保農民的一個權益那同時維護國人的健康為了因應我們本部業務推動的實際需求敬請各位委員予以支持解凍必立本部競速執行相關的計畫以達到照顧農民發展永續農業之目標以上報告敬請各位委員能夠給予支持謝謝 |
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好謝謝部長的報告那我們現在請公平教育委員會陳志明帶領主委就預算解凍案等兩案合併報告 |
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主席各位委員先生各位女士先生大家早那今天應邀來向大會大院的經濟委員會就本會114年度預算凍結案提出專案報告那首先要感謝各位委員對本會的支持那本會114年度的預算凍結案總共有八項其中有六項是書面資料的報告那書面已經依照限期把提到大院再案那今天我請就兩案專案報告簡要的跟各位委員來做一下說明 |
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第一案是有關於本單位預算的業務費被凍結30%總計1276萬8千元那這一部預算業務費部分主要是本會的一些基本行政工作的維持費那除了這個以外這個對本會在執行相關業務特別是聯會行為查處不公平競爭還有相關的結案的審查 |
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那最近有關不動產的廣告網路廣告等等這個都有相當大的一個一個關聯性那這筆經費有利於我們提升查處的力道並能夠適時的二足不法的行銷手段那因為個案的查處所涉及到的家屬人數多那每個案子的案情也很複雜所需要履行的程序也不一樣所以 |
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難免在個案的調處上調查上可能會出現時間長短不易的情況那對這一點本會隨時都會很注意這個調查的時效也會精進我們本會的調查作為來提升這個調查的品質跟完成的時效那114年度預算本會目前的執行情形截至4月底本會就稅務部分收入為2485萬7000元佔累積分配數的287% |
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那在稅出的部分預算數是3億5,632萬6千元那截至4月底止累計的執行數是1億4,517萬3千元佔累計分配數的88%那第二個專案報告是有關限制競爭行為調查處理其中的第一三級產業獨佔結合及聯合行為的調查處理這部分業務會被凍結了100萬那 |
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這個案子是被凍結主要是大會大院關切這個台灣主要幾個相關的行動通訊業者結合以後那民眾對於電信服務的品質是不是有提升的一個關心那本會在審理這個相關的結案的時候其實都有負負擔那針對這個支費方案促進市場競爭跟整體經濟利益等各方面我們都有要求業者必須要在結合後按照負擔來履行我們並要求遠傳台灣大哥大定期必須要 |
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交这个资料给本会作为后续的监督那本会也涵循了国家通讯传播委员会针对业者在结合后以后的通讯品质的相关事项提供一些主管机关的意见那根据国家通讯传播委员会的表示结合以后这些事业在人均的平宽基地台数量以及电波人口涵盖率等观测性的指标在结合后平均来讲 |
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都有在結合之前的水準有提升那未來本會會持續的監理合併以後業者是不是有按照當初的負擔來確保民眾的權益跟服務的品質不要因此而受到影響那最後 |
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跟大院報告的是本會是公平交易的執法機關那向來本會都積極來執行公平交易法希望能夠維持市場的公平競爭那114年度的業務費編列了4256萬凍結30%總計1276萬8千元這對本會的業務的運作影響非常的大 |
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那另外有關這個限制競爭的行為調查處理對第三級產業獨佔的調查部分呢這個是本會的核心業務那為了使本會對這些相關重要的業務能夠積極的查處順利推動相關的業務那希望各位委員今天能夠支持予以解凍那以上報告請委員執教 |
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好謝謝陳代理主委的報告那我們現在討論事項合併詢答分開處理委員諮詢前原例做以下宣告每位委員發言時間本會委員4分鐘必要時的延長1分鐘非本會委員3分鐘上午10點截止發言登記我們現在先請登記第一位林戴華委員發言 |
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有請部長請部長 |
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市場開放這件事情對等關稅所引來的市場開放確實讓我們農民驚慌不已本席也認為在中長期來講農業自由化才能面對全球的挑戰所以有幾個議題第一個從對等關稅的衝擊以及我們現在農產業競爭力提升的問題 |
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以及這個第三個在國際經驗的分享當中我們是否可以再做一些借鏡以及在續產總原資料網的功能頻繁包括我農業在農業絕招的部分我們的農業雲端大數據的平台你們根本沒有啟動第六個面對極端氣候長年困擾也就是本席現在念茲在茲的就是我大寮美容的這個 |
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這個水稻的空包蛋這也是跟氣候有關只是你們不認定而已包括之前的美濃山林的這個小番茄的消長你們也不認定它是一個氣候變遷所帶來你們認為是病蟲害好那這個可是極端氣候確實是在發生那你怎麼提供農友更好的方案呢而不是每次我們都該給你藥補助補助當然重要 |
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但是重點是要防範於未來而不是年復一年的一直在處理同樣的問題啊好 包括這是您催生的國家植物表形體中心這個本席非常的肯定但是你們的做法需要調整好 從零關稅談起人民的恐慌在上週我們在強化社會及國土安全任性特別條例的時候本席就有提到你面對市場的開放我們的容 序 |
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應該要參考的是國際經驗跟先進技術先進技術當中除了本席一直倡議的這個基因定序這其實只是其中一項而已的精準的榮譽木的產業升級而且利用市場的力量結合政策工具重點是什麼 |
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縮小我國內農漁牧產業跟國際的生產成本我這樣才能不怕國際競爭但是我們有沒有做到重點是縮小國內我農漁牧產產業的跟國際的生產成本我們農民是不怕苦的我是擔心被國外的低價農產品的價值破壞好 那目前 |
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爬出從本席做這個國會議員到現在爬出我們現在農產業至今的競爭力的問題是什麼四項第一個農業部資源都投注強調在補助跟補貼補助當然重要他重點是即時性的來保障我的農民但是對於我小農為主的我們的台灣我們我國的農業競爭力的提升是非常有限的第二個問題 |
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在推動重點我們都是在農民的硬體建設但是在農業的共用基礎設施跟農業的軟實力成效是有限什麼叫做硬體設備我們有沒有補助農機社的改善 有我們要補助人煉 有沒有 有 |
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我們這次有多了大量的經費補助溫室有沒有有這個都也該做但是我們現在應該要提升了就您這邊累積歷任的部長 委主委所現在你要做的是公共的基礎建設跟農業軟實力那這是你應該要做的 |
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第三個問題 推動智慧農業我們都是在農業的智慧化也就是說這個成功的案產相對有限喔本席長期主張就是你農業決策你部長跟你所有的一級署管機關的農業決策的智慧化跟精準化有啦 你們有做啦 部本部裡面的行政流程公文啦 財務啦 這你們有做然後放豬 我最在意的就是龍魚 |
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會 合作社他們的競銷存肥料等甚至會計喔有沒有有沒有整合這樣的雲端平台沒有 我倡議了好久你們也來跟我講了好幾次到現在你們的結論是什麼還是讓各農會去做我講的我不需要農會我講明了 我也要替農會講話你不可以去取他的會籍資料 |
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這他們最怕的但是你其他的要讓你做農業決策的部分相關的訊息去識別化之後你是可以做的你們現在農糧署這個我們現在這個署長署長上來署長 我忘記你的名字 你叫什麼名字陳俊演其實俊演署長他很認真 |
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但是呢 我不曉得他帶來 他其實是很瞭解狀況的人利弊得失農民那太少 他都很清楚的啦在業是什麼是什麼 他都很清楚 不好意思但是到你這邊做了決策的時候 確實還是回歸現況好 第四個 農產業研究的資源過於分散你們都給各大學去做資料分散 你給各大學 我也沒意見喔重點你不本部相關的農業相關的資訊 你有沒有統整起來 |
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而且缺乏重點的經濟物種的核心計畫好來我們來看國際成功經驗這個成功經驗我們看愛爾蘭的乳流我們只會說人家好 |
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這個他好在哪裡其實我們也在這個軌跡上在走啊他能夠你看左邊這是他們的愛爾蘭養牛聯合會國家支持的一個聯合會他能夠讓他的育種率提升一倍他的世代間隔縮短了60%所以講白了就是他的優生學嘛然後每次最最讓我這讓我看到的就是減少每公升牛奶碳排14%講白話一點他就是連牛的放屁他都在開始減少 |
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攤牌 |
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好我們再看右下角這個挪威的鮭魚跟丹麥的豬隻他們兩個也是一樣這兩個是國際級的公司他們是國際級的公司才有辦法去做這樣的一個精準農業那我們是小農那怎麼辦政府啊我們的農業不要當農民的靠山啊不是只靠補貼補貼我講是重要保障他及時的讓他不要趕快這個倒下去但是他的後面的升級的產業升級在哪裡他連鮭魚跟豬隻生活週期變短 |
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飼料成本降低這就是我們如何如何用我們開放市場之後我們國家的龍魚牧怎麼去跟人家競爭嗎他減少飼料的減少飼料的風險跟碳排也減少了嗎好再來我們來看本國的 |
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現在的虛產種源資料網 這個都在網上上游你們從1995年至今存來到這邊的就只有種源樣本 保存跟交換功能第二個完全不具備運算跟資料加值什麼意思 你那個叫做資料 不叫做資訊而且僅有DNA的資料 卻無表形體定 |
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定序的應用好再來我們來看奇異果我們大家說他很會行銷其實錯了他在從現在開始本席質詢的前20年他就已經完成了基因資料的收集 |
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所以他才能在中國廉價的生產實現價值創造所以我們來看看我們能不能這樣做現況我們是總員不管是農產 農畜魚都是這樣我們現況就是總員保存查詢沒有還沒有講到資安保護我們期待他精準決策能夠透過基因體的資料庫跟AI的分析能夠達到四個目的提高生產的效率跟收益能夠縮短育種週期 |
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第三個 農業碳排減量第四個 提高農民的專業性進而我們能夠創新營友強化農業韌性我們一直在講農業韌性啊在講什麼農業韌性面對我的氣候變遷 抗逆境 |
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抗病品系你像我的這個空包的這個水稻包括之前的那個小番茄的消長不都是氣候變遷嗎你們就是不承認它是天然災害啊但是我可以透過這樣子的一個基因體的資料庫跟AI的分析這個等一下在最後我再跟你做討論我的單位產量會提高促進糧食的安全DNA條碼的運用 |
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GS1的導入這個本席在前幾次的質詢當中DNA條碼結合現在2027年全球要推動的GS1條碼的這個運用鑑別進口產品好我們現在缺乏農業雲端大數據這個榮邦學習呀這個再速發布這個已經很成熟的學習什麼意思他是一個分三次的AI訓練各單位可以在不分享原始資料這個很重要的前提下協作訓練 |
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既可以保護各單位的私有資訊又可以訓練最佳的演算這個就是我們所有農業從業人員增進智慧農業現場的效益我們看左邊A農場B農場C農場這可以是私人的左邊的農事所拉進來在這個平台資料加密去識別化之後我們的共同來訓練演算 |
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各自ABC包括農事所各自可以去演算但是到這個平台的時候我政府可以運用農事所包括你部本部的連結所以右邊這邊是我們期待的國家農業雲大數據因為國越國家雲大數據出來之後的背後是什麼是你的政策預算能夠精準你能夠智慧的決策那要從基礎做從最下面的右邊左下你生物樣本跟生物資訊這個是 |
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農林漁牧都是可以進來的再來往上基因分析資料的闡述這是我們要進展的進而到上面我們的應用平台進而再到你的國家數據但是當到應用平台的時候你的聯邦學習演算的模組就會出來你會上下交流進而產生下來的是我的回歸到農事單位我們的農研 我們農器 我們的農民是什麼生產效益提升 助益的糧食生產跟永續的發展 |
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好 我們再來看 極端氣候 長年困擾我們帶來的這個病毒素等的消長的狀況讓小番茄不再生長或有結果那你們農糧署判斷之後呢 是病蟲害不算天災 無法啟動天災的補助所以呢 變成是我們農業局提供肥料的補助好 你來看這個稻米空包蛋你們有沒有 你們農事組有沒有開發抗病品種我要聽你們講話一下 你們有欸 |
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你們有耶 部長 你們有對於空包的這個 道明有抗變品種 抱歉你們沒有普及 農民都不知道 產銷辦都不知道 都沒有普及所以你也就只好 你一定要給我補助下去好所以呢 我們高雄的隧道也面臨這樣的災害問題好 講到這個 這個就是您的前瞻了啦這我要跟你講一下 國家植物表形體中心 |
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好這個左邊這張圖你們幾乎非常的你應該非常的熟悉植物設計導向的快速精準綠種他應該做到最上位跟你的這個容試所當你這個表型體當中可以做環境控制好我就以水稻為例我的抗旱 |
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抗熱抗病蟲害就這三個就好了你的環境調控本來我本來8月我才會有有這個8月才會生長的我提早到6月了而且就是長得不好所以你這個環境抗逆境當中我可以變成高溫然後用這個病蟲害的這樣基因下去所產生的優生的品種這個基因在哪裡甚至所以你們現在的我要你調整的你這個做得很好但是你現在給學術單位 |
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沒問題但是你要重點啊比如說今年我就做兩個我就做水稻水稻哪一個我有好幾個方案有的是表型體的有的是基因檢測的有的是什麼什麼的然後這些總和之後就是水稻所有的數據你整合在一塊你今年就做這一項就好了 |
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你可以透徹到不行而且是符合台灣我們的這個環境變遷所以如果你能夠做這樣的統整給各學術單位而且你有很計畫性的今年我做哪幾個哪幾個品種 |
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全部透徹的研究產生出來的再給農事所人數了之後再回饋你這個表形體中心這樣才會讓我農民受益才能普及下去啊這邊會有什麼好處您這個中心如果有好好的去做這樣的整合的話數據的整合跟我農事總也結合我的抗病基因跟風味基位共同選拔我利用基因體的選擇方法會提高風味也許未來我的水稻有百大米 |
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我以後我的隧道我就要有百拉米就在這裡出來啊然後利用擴大優良品系及種苗的生產跟供應提出先期的檢測跟預警方案幫助農民降低風險啊你再怎麼補都補不到我農民的損失啊 |
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按照我們農民我投資200萬你再給我補助多少好再來這邊最後我具體的要求希望參考智慧農業國際成功的案例提出我國農漁畜農漁產的這個生產效率提升的方案不僅限於基因定序第二個提出國家植物表形體中心應該要應用活化的方案而且要針對主要的經濟物種制定資源集中的研究計畫再來這些 |
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今年供地區的一起水稻栽損以最短暫的時間完成補助你先針對最後一項回答我就可以了你什麼時候補助我高雄地區的一起水稻栽損我講明的你不在這個質詢態度上給我講出來我就絕對不給你解凍 請說 |
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有關於那個現在目前的水道是採用水道的一個保險那水道保險在當地的水道收工後一個月之內一定會完成整個的一個保險的一個設計講時間講時間好嗎我們農民現在要聽的就是時間 |
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我們的農會現在要聽的就是時間就是他們當地收穫後一個月之內就會出來因為我們用保險的制度那也不用去勘栽我們跟地區地區性的產量如果他比地區的產量比過去五年還低的時候那相對的如果超過20%我們就理賠了 |
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所以是我們市政府給你之後的一個月內再補是嗎是這個意思不是不需要地方政府給我們我們會針對當地的產量做調查那那個產量如果跟過去五年的去高去低的平均好那講時間好不好現在五月中現在已經五月快底了那你要多久一個月 |
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收穫完一個月所以我在6月今天5月幾號今天5月18號那就是6月18號以前完成所有的補助喔我要跟委員講喔我是說收穫後一個月但是現在高雄地區現在還在收啊 |
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收購完一個月部長 嘗試講人民聽得懂的話你只要講人民說 來各位農民這個我告訴你在6月30號以前你會完成補助在7月15號以前你會完成補助這才叫人民聽得懂的話中間的程序是我們的問題 |
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是你要去督促各農漁會去公所那去這個我這個是政府這是你們自己去協調的我跟委員報告說人們聽得懂嗎現在目前我們不是用天然災害的救助的系統我們用農業保險農業保險第一個就是那個地區收穫完我們會計量它的產量有沒有比過去五年還低如果低20%的時候一個月之內我們就理賠 |
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好啊所以時間呢大概就是等高雄區你如果您關因為不同的地區會不同的時間我們以高雄地區的話大概那大概是六月底七月中之前七月中七月十號以前好這樣我們大家都聽到了好我們所有農會我們所有農民請到來都聽到了七月中旬以前我們農業部會完成所有的補助好謝謝以上 |
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這個要超過百分之二十的喔好要超過百分之二十喔所以農民票好喔我們高雄的農民票好喔大陸米農的農民票好喔請到來喔你如果又不超過百分之二十我們是站不住的喔好 謝謝好謝謝林黛華委員那我們下一位請邱益穎委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席這個主席我待會可以暢所欲言嗎可以好謝謝沒問題我接下來請一下那個部長好請部長 |
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部長早部長我想先在我們處理這個詢問預算的解凍之前還是先請教一個這個時事題這個端午節馬上就到了那現在的豬價已經是這三年來應該是同期最高我不曉得我昨天好像有看到農業部大概有一個一個措施 |
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我是不是給部長您一點時間讓部長說明一下因為現在這個豬價這麼高大概一般的消費群眾也是會唉叫到底是什麼樣的原因造成這個豬的價格這麼高是針對產量減少嗎那針對產量減少的這個部分農業部有什麼調配措施 |
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第一個跟委員講現在目前合理的一個價格是大概在95塊上下那過去這一個禮拜最主要是備料的關係因為端午節備料的關係所以大家就搶所以我們從明天開始我們會開始增工增加一成的租量那這個部分渴望讓租價不會再超過這個短時間超過100塊的部分然後第二個一個非常重要的就是 |
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因為之前在做冷鏈的那個豬舍的改建的時候那相對的那個豬隻本身的總投數有減少那現在慢慢的陸陸續續的這些改進的部分已經完成特別是像台塘等那種改進的部分完成了所以整個豬隻的飼養會回到一個比較正常的水準那個部長我請教兩個數字一個就是說您剛剛講從明天開始會增量大概會增加多少大概2.4 |
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2.3萬每天2.3萬頭大概比過往的2萬2萬1增加了一成好每天會增加2.3萬頭沒有整個供應量大概增加2000頭的量差不多2000頭的量那你說現在這個因為養豬場陸續建置好所以養豬的產量會增加 |
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是這樣嗎對慢慢的會增加所以您的預期到什麼時候豬肉的價格當然端午節這一波因為用量大所以它的這個價格應該也會漲上去但您預期什麼時候那個豬價會回到一個比較平穩的狀態我相信大概在7月以後那個豬價到中原之間有沒有 |
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這個部分大概會應該在九十幾塊所以這個農業部應該也會長期密切的監控這個東西嗎接下來要請教一個這個關稅的問題很多的農民或者是說現在有很多的這種假新聞開始在講 |
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就是說未來台美的這個農業防線到底守不守得住如果全部的關稅是零的話那對於台灣的農業衝擊但是我不知道或者是說我其實並沒有很清楚的聽到農業部在這個方面對於關稅如果是零 |
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但或者是說從你們現在開始講我們是從零開始談目前有很多的包括台灣輸到美國或者是美國輸到台灣大概都是有六成左右的產品其實是零關稅的但是如果現在很多人去把它造謠說全部都是零美國以後進來的東西全部都是零關稅的話那對台灣整體農業的衝擊 |
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部長我想在這裡你用一分鐘的時間回答不了我這些這麼重大的議題但是我認為農業部應該好好的應對要好好的對農民說明跟好好對國人說明台灣的整體農業政策在面對到台美關稅議題的時候我們應該怎麼樣因應 怎麼樣面對那對於我們的台灣自體的農產品對農民的保護你們應該有什麼樣的對策 |
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這些東西這些說帖是不是能夠請農業部在很短的時間之內不管你用下鄉也好不管你是透過農會透過產銷辦透過各地方縣市政府我覺得應該都要讓農民很清楚的知道政府在對於農業的保護政策上面會做的事情應該做的事情還有 |
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要立即去做的事情有哪些這些能不能在很短的時間內去做到我想謝謝委員的一個提醒我想相關的資料我們都已經有準備了那我們現在就會立即的去用圖卡的方式然後下降的部分讓委員說明但是我這邊要強調一件事情以農業部的立場以我現在知道我們現在對美談判的部分像最近有說米會降到百分之幾絕對不會 |
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我覺得這個是一個就是用賴總統以零開始的這個模式去讓變成一個錯誤的訊息讓人家說稻米會降到零關稅這個不會發生因為到目前為止我們為了確保糧食安全我們對於稻米我們會一直捍衛著它的一個相關的一個現在的一個制度 |
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我覺得有一些對於台灣來講它是屬於戰略安全的糧食考量的部分我認為農業部應該要提出更多更強有力的數據跟對外的說明這一塊可能要再多做一點那這一題其實我特別藉由今天質詢的機會來提出來這個農業部裡頭現在大概組織改造 |
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有很多的組織其實是做了一些調整但是我們的植物防檢員跟動物防檢員在不要說同工不同酬同職等不同家籍不同酬的這件事情上面部長我知道你有曾經努力過但是我不曉得為什麼人事行政總處對於我們的植物防檢員的認識 |
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認知這麼樣的低造成我們很多植物房檢員對於他的工作不受到尊重我伯伯做房檢員有什麼做動物的他的家籍就比較高他的家籍是表10嘛那你的這個植物的是表2是比較低的嘛 |
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我們去問過了我相信你也知道人事行政總署說要叫這些植物防檢員要去取得植物診療師的資格他才能比照表實的加緊植物診療師法我們去年才通過今年8月才考第一次那你叫這些高階的公務人員現在再回頭去考那個證照那個證照要8月以後才考 |
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那對他們來講情何以堪其實植物防檢員的工作辛勞的程度不會輸給動物防檢員部長您同意我的看法嗎我非常同意所以這也是為什麼我們在過去一年一直在爭取幫植物領域的部分能夠也爭取到表實的部分 |
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那現在我們還是會積極爭取那我們現在目前是不希望用等到植物診療室的考試才能夠取得我們用另外一個方式就是不需要任何考試因為領表實的專業佳績不一定要考試在不同單位是這樣子部長如果我的資料沒錯的話啦你們現在如果能夠領到表實的人員大概只有169個對不對你的總體影響總體支出只會增加429萬嘛 |
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對 人數並不多啦人數不多但是這個對於大家的內心感受對於我們的公務人員的內心感受其實是差距極大的所以我想如果今天行政院或者是人事總署有聽到這一段的話我認為人事總署真的應該好好的去思考一下或者我其實會覺得改天要邀一下人事行政總署跟著我們的植物防檢員到田間去走一趟他就會知道有多辛苦在這樣的太陽底下 |
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三四十度的太陽底下到植物到田間裡頭去走訪喔你就會知道這個有多辛苦喔所以部長這個我想我們還是要一起來共同努力啦好不好那另外最後一點那個主席對不起我再一分鐘就好了 |
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真的氣候異常造成的這個稻作減產剛剛您在講到現在稻作的減產如果到全部收割完之後發現他的產量是減少20%的話你們就會有這個收入保險就會去理賠部長我現在跟你討論的就是收入保險的理賠金額的部分如果按照我們現有的辦法一般的天然災害的救助稻米的這個補助標準是一公頃1.8萬一分地大概只有 |
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我們已經提高到兩萬了我知道你現在的收入保險是提高到兩萬但是你要知道說現在他們的成本你賺到我的成本差不多就是要一公頃差不多就是要五萬到六萬啦十二萬喔好 |
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你只賠2萬這個落差太大了啦那對於很多的農民來講當然他不希望靠你的保險理賠嘛他希望的是他的稻米能夠有好的收入但是在這樣的氣候變遷的狀態之下其實有沒有考慮我們的這個收入保險的理賠金額能夠適度的調漲 |
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跟委員報告第一個就是我們的收入保險是從天然災害保險轉過來的所以現在都調高兩萬而且我們會滾動的檢討你是調高到兩萬不是調高兩萬調高到兩萬從一萬八調高到兩萬只有增加兩千塊然後現在我們會定期的滾動的檢討特別是我已經跟同仁講我們至少在年度的時候會針對上一年度的成本有一些調高的時候我們會 |
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比照的去做一個調整所以部長這一題我就跟你提出來了這一題我覺得應該放到你們滾動檢討的一個重要的項目之一那很顯然的現在在高雄地區的稻米收入其實是銳減的大寮就不用講了大寮那個收入大概最少都超過六成以上 |
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美濃最近開始準備要收割了發現它的它的空爆彈的情況不會比大寮還輕喔所以未來在這一個多月內如果全部收割完成你們的計算基準出來之後我相信我期待這個理賠的速度是要加快第二就是我現在跟您提出來的 |
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滾動式檢討未來的理賠金額是不是能夠滾動的增加在明年開始或者是下半年開始我覺得這個可能要把請農業部把它列為一個非常重要的一個會的我想我們已經有一個固定的那個滾動機制大概兩期做完了以後我們就會檢討然後第二個部分就是有關於這個保險的理賠它會比天然災害快因為天然災害每一塊地都去看 |
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那保險的都不用所以我剛才說的我們會等評個資料一出來以後我們馬上計算但你的理賠其實還有另外一個是加強型就是農民他必須付少許的金額是的那我覺得加強型的這一塊可能要加強去宣導啦很多農民不知道有加強型的這個保險所以加強型這一塊我覺得應該要加強去宣導好不好好謝謝謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝邱議員委員那下一位請張祺凱委員發言現在陳部長來請部長 |
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委員長 保定很久了最近我回到南部我看到我們的漂亮那個稻田都陸陸續續都在收成我們的農民也是很感謝包括地盤民通過後都走步也提高了他們供糧收購的這個價格了至少提高了一公斤大概是我算了一下大概1.83但是差不多一公頃可以多收兩萬塊錢這算是一個對農民不無小補這算是一個好消息保定 |
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這個跟我們原來的標準還差了三分之二這也是為什麼今天要談解凍案這次農業部最大的最大的凍結的這個案子有兩個一個是業務費810302萬凍結了30% |
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兩億四千零九十萬另外有一筆這個農政的這個業務費也凍結了大概一億左右啦那現在今天最重要的就是三億左右的這個經費到底要不要解凍我剛剛講有好消息是已經幫了我們農民一公頃大概可以公糧收購可以增加兩萬嘛對不對那接下來還剩下這三分之二 |
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你上次有答應我 你說逐步要完成對不對你現在怎麼去我沒有這樣講齁你要怎麼去達成逐步的包括立法院通過的是一公斤五塊錢不是你現在只有調的一公斤一點八三還有包括那一天我們在草野協商在行政院的時候院長也說要逐步去完成嘛 對不對你今天要解凍老實講 今天就是要解凍這三立多到底要怎麼去怎麼去達到農民可以達到一公斤五塊錢 |
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我第一個跟委員報告就是我們現在用的糧食產業升級的方案裡面那你可以看得到我們整個方案裡面不只照顧了水稻的農民因為對農業部來講我不只是處理水稻有要處理其他的雜糧然後第一個就是我受益的民眾增加了從22萬到36萬有增加了那更重要就水稻的種植的農民來講你可以看得到 |
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5074.42 |
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就他的計劃輔導跟餘糧 過去農民都沒在交餘糧的如果你單看計劃跟輔導都是超過五塊錢以上所以以整體的效益來講他是對農民的到農是有保障而且是一個持續性的保障如果今天我把每一個都調高了五塊的話我可以保證 |
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那個價格支撐不了一兩年因為大家會大量的種植水稻那相對的種植水稻後面的這個水稻的數量太多市價崩盤的時候對農民反而是不利的我想這個我跟委員做了非常多的溝通我們這個事情已經溝通過好幾次我也給你看了很多數據包括之前有好幾次的公糧價格的提高後來面積雖然有上去點點後來都下來了 |
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這個我們經過好幾次討論了現在最重要的 最重要的我記得第一個是立法院的通過的協議嘛 對不對一公斤五塊錢第二個我們經過草野協商跟行政院協商這個你要落實我另外提醒你一個很重要的事情明年齋齁明年齋很重要明年齋是520啊你做農業部長 你知道嗎520對農民是一個非常重要其實對農委會跟現在農業部都是一個很重要的日子民國七十七年 |
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農民運動是我們台灣解嚴以後第一次最大規模最嚴重的警民的這個衝突他那時候有八大訴求裡面兩個跟你都非常有關係喔 |
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第一個他要求把農委會提升為農業部嘛所以你現在才有農委部長可以當這是一個第二個當初因為美國很多農產品要進來農民上街頭抗議了77年民國77年的520很慘烈的農民運動那另外一個他裡面有一個很重要的訴求就是稻民要進來嘛 |
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所以他們要求美國稻米要進來他們要求做兩件事情公糧的收貨價格要保證適度的提高第二個 面積要能夠以這保障你看這個訴求從民國77年到現在喔那我們現在跨出了一步了我們給了一公斤1.83我可以肯定這部分對農民也有幫助了可是後續另外這三分之二怎麼去做到部長你今天要給我一個報告啦說實在的 這三億多這個預算其實 |
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我那時候本來是要砍的喔 本來是要砍1億的預算嘛 對不對我們經過溝通嘛 我沒有砍喔 一毛錢都沒有砍喔可是我們包括跟楊瓊英 張家俊我們就1億會費 凍結30%嘛 對不對我現在算下來就是這2、3億那你要給我一個 例如說那時候你有談到說你要下鄉去去做說明嘛 對不對我們四度收斂 |
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我跟委員報告一個數據就好我們推動糧食產業升級方案的時候繳工糧的面積少了5000公頃那些農民跑到哪邊去了那些農民他去做集團栽培他不繳工糧用集團栽培同樣造用 |
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用種稻但是他用品牌的方式去提高他的收益這個才是我們想要的我希望我們所有農民種稻是用他的品質用他的市場價格去支撐他的所得而不是靠政府的價格去支撐那也希望委員來支持我想這個部分做了一年兩年那個成效一定會出來的 |
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我曾經在嘉義參觀那個月桃故事館他們成立一個那個食農的那個教育基地那那個什麼光嘉義那個三光米啊現在說要銷到日本光是一個三光米就20萬噸對不對今年我們輸到日本的過往大概每一年平均大概3900多公 |
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今年可以超高九千到一萬噸所以我們用更好的米我們鼓勵農民做更好的米然後去外銷比你繳公糧放在公糧倉庫好很多所以我希望委員給我們一個機會就是讓我們這個製度部長這個沒有衝突啦我們的米能夠銷到日本銷到比較好的國家更好的這個價格我真的有衝突喔三光米這個嘉義幸福米這個我們就是我們驕傲嘛 |
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所以多去推動讓他們可以賣到日本賣更好價格可是相對的普遍的這個農民工糧收穫我講不完民國七十七年開始農民我們限農基層的農民那時候就要求了嘛現在日本的股份已經過了你現在也做一部分我現在要求說你三萬七千要補償給他不然我想跟你講一下你今天要通過這個 |
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解凍了這個百分之三十業務費你今天要提出因為等一下會會討論嘛對不對你要加俊啦等一下那個當初我們有共同討論的其他立委都在待會要解凍這個預算你要給我一個很明確的這樣老實講農民也在等啦農民要高興那個一公頃可以多收兩萬塊的時候他們也在想說你我們答應他的立盤過了還沒有我們要走去補起來你等一下想一下你這個我先質詢可是老實講解凍之前我們要解決這問題好 |
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我跟委員報告齁 您說的都變成五塊錢的時候那相對的所有的民糧都沒有辦法活下去他就不種民糧了 我們就沒有好的米外銷了沒有啊 民糧就你說有些銷到日本 有些很好大家就搶而已當你工糧的價格變高的時候 你的民糧就沒辦法支撐下去就沒有好的米外銷了 也沒有好的米給國人 我們的民眾來吃啦 |
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這個就是我們考慮的公糧價格太高的時候民糧沒辦法生存的時候那相對的他沒有辦法做好的米 |
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這個就是所以我說糧食產業升級部長你說現在變成是太高的問題我們經過好幾次溝通你要逐步把我們什麼去達成嗎所以你是先調了1公斤1.83我們調了1公頃增加2萬塊就是反映它的成本那反映它的成本以後我們用集團栽培去拉高它的產品的品質然後透過產品品質提高讓消費者認同來提高它的收入 |
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5433.45 |
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這個方法才是持久的你剛才在聽邱議員在說沒有那個成本十三年沒調你看他們連那個災損都要求要提高了公糧收購當然除了現在調了三分之一三分之二怎麼去補給沒關係你等一下給我一個案子啦等一下我們反正解凍之前沒有的話就保留我們到院會再繼續來談來另外我問一下法定你們看到那個四千一百億的那個特別條例嘛我們你本錢是一百八十億對不對 |
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5435.253 |
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5449.08 |
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那我們台灣民眾黨啊認為在強化農業金融還有提升產業的這個競爭跟協助這個多元這個市場我們大幅提高我們要求把它提高到300億你讚不讚成 |
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5477.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
基本上我們提出來的這個180億那這個180億是針對現在目前關稅10%到32%之間可能的浮動我們設計出來的短期之內協助我們的受影響的業者的金融資金的負擔中長期是增加他的產業的韌性所以180億我們初步看起來是夠的但是如果說關稅 |
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整體的關稅有你現在不要提高嗎我跟委員報告就是說後續如果不足的話我們會用追加預算的方式來處理 |
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5494.712 |
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5520.828 |
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幹嘛追加 你就支持民進黨的300億就好啦你現在變180 連民進黨 不要說國民黨跟在野黨我們是要支持我們的農民農業啊沒有 當然我知道說越多的經費給農業部當然越好可是相對的在現在的情況之下我們覺得現在用180億去處理是可以去處理的那後續如果不足的話我們會循程序去做追加預算的方式來處理 |
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因為他畢竟 特別預算畢竟是三年嘛 兩年半快三年嘛那如果不夠 因為整個關稅的不確定性太高了 現在關稅如果...博士你等一下再想一下啦 其實報告面這張禮物都說181是太少了不是 現在關稅的不確定性太高了啊 不知道...不要用追加的 你至少310來 我問另外一個問題齁 那個最近那個美債引起很多討論 |
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5546.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
5575.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
我有去查我們的農業金庫,5年10億塊錢,我們因為買美債,大家知道嗎?我們已經虧損,那時候5年,包括你們農業部自己的資料嘛,虧損了50億,最近,到目前,那現在呢?有沒有繼續買?現在虧損多少錢?這個我沒辦法現在回答你,我可以了解以後再跟你講,那農業金庫到底有沒有繼續買美債,這個我不清楚,我現在沒辦法回答。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
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你現在手上沒有資料對我手上沒有這個事情算很重要這個是我們去跟美國最近要關稅談判應該會談到的餒對因為農業金庫是我們農業因為我們買了很多啊就是因為農業我們現在是幫人民勘請荷包也幫農民勘請荷包啊對不對啊去年你11月底的統計你已經了過了為了美債已經因為利息一直在升嘛所以你已經損失了50億啊啊你現在關稅在談判的時候會提到這個對你來講應該很重要啊 |
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沒關係部長你那個你三天因為這本來就應該有了你報告去談判你要這個資料啦你三天內給我談判不需要這個資料對農業部來講談判不需要這個資料不需要這個資料不需要說我有多少美債他們如果要美國要求我們再繼續買美債你要不要的話你這個基本資料要有啊 |
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我們的納稅錢 農民的錢你一直虧損你怎麼可以沒有準備不是我想美債的買賣以農業經過來講他有他的那個董建市的決議嘛那相對的我因為現在沒有辦法手上沒有這個資料他到底買了多少美債那我想我會後 |
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會請問他們來提供委員這份資料我背後再資料給你主席 這裡面有兩個問題啦第一個就是因為虧損累累嘛第二個就是因為你一直在講說你的獨立董事沒有發揮功能這是這兩個問題啦好 沒關係 保定 我跟你講現在統統 這是人民的荷包啦也是農民的這個荷包啦你儘快 三天OK嘛你查一下 你到底從11月底已經虧損50億你後來有沒有再買 買了多少 |
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對不對 因為買多少第二個統計一下 了解要看錢好不好 那如果虧損的話就不能繼續買啦不只台灣啊 全世界都沒有在討論說要繼續買美債啊對不對這是跟所有人 跟川普 跟美國在談判裡面最重要一個問題欸 |
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第一個已經虧損了所以不能再虧嘛對不對啊如果有啊所以我要清楚說你到底有沒有在買有虧損多少這個資料我後續會提供資料給你我現在沒辦法回答因為我沒辦法這就是現成的資料嘛對不對這應該可以調得到我不知道可不可以如果可以提供我一定會提供第一個前提就是說他們這個購買你那時候公佈為什麼這個東西不能提供這是公開資料啊我不知道齁 |
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這個我不敢確定因為每個公司或是每個這些東西它有相關的一個規範如果能夠提供給委員的我一定提供包括他們買什麼樣的一個債券什麼樣的東西是不是他們的內部資料還是可公開的這個我必須確認如果可以我一定提供給你 |
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部長第一個你們以前公佈過啦這也是對前面要負責我不清楚啦所以我回去會了解儘快在三天內你儘快在三天內給我我說可以的話我一定提供OK好要看緊人民的荷包幫農民了鄉長當然你今天那個要解凍那個錢供應收報提高五塊錢等一下給我方案好謝謝好謝謝張七開委員那下一位請鄭正前委員發言 |
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謝主席 今天是我們農業部跟工平會的解凍案那因為工平會主委跟我們農業部長很少在一起我想請農業部陳部長還有我們工平會的陳代理主委好 請部長跟代理主委 |
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首先我想說先請教一下農業部長這邊因為我們台牛經濟合作協定今年開始全面生效但因為從2013年我們跟台牛經濟合作協定之後的時候對於牛乳的進口的部分之前的時候是配額內零關稅 |
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那配額外的時候每公斤是14元對不對那從今年開始的時候不再想有配額的限制那全面開始零關稅進口可是我們從市場上看起來的時候呢就是今年開始全部有零關稅那可是發現價格也沒有波動 |
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價格沒有波動本來是一件好事可是因為我們零關稅之後消費者感覺沒有得到好處因為價格沒有往下降那我們想問一下就是說這個零關稅之後的這些的差價到底跑到哪裡去了 |
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我跟委員說明有一個數據可能要先說明就是整個我們台灣從國外進口的生乳的部分大概是五萬八千噸一年那其中大概三萬九千噸三萬八到三萬九千噸是鮮乳的部分 |
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紐西蘭的鮮乳占的比例比較少它是以薄酒乳有比較多它的鮮乳大概一年只有4000多噸而已然後它的那個薄酒乳相對比較多大概1萬多噸所以相對的就是你如果純粹看紐西蘭的這個部分的話它的占比其實那個38000 39000噸裡面它只有占4000多噸所以它對市場的那個影響力其實沒那麼大 |
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我們農業部來講我們更在意的是我們弱農的生乳提供給乳場的價格是不是能夠穩定而且更高這是我想農業部最關心的就這個那至於後端的市場我想有它的一個機制部長你講到一個我真的要問的重點 |
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我為什麼特別請公平會主委一起來的部分就是因為如果說關稅降低的時候消費者沒有得到好處不管他佔比是多少的時候那至少弱農要得到好處吧這是我們的目標其實是一致的可是我們看到了就是說在這個目前台灣的一個四大那個爐瓶廠的時候大概 |
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收了所有台灣的一個生乳的八成以上那這是我們從那個網路上面看到的一份資料這是某一個生乳廠特別提出來的一個狀態他這個通知單他特別提到了我把紅框框畫出來的地方他再次強調裡面絕對勿將非自家牧場生產之生乳搭交 |
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禁止搭交的意思的時候就是說生乳不得外調變成這樣的一個情況那如果說以這樣的情況的時候我想請教針對這樣子大的爐瓶廠他們直接用這樣子很強勢的部分在跟我們的弱農做互動的時候我想請教一下農業部怎麼看這件事情 |
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我想第一個就是我們的爐廠跟我們的酪農廠本身的一個爐架我們有訂一個基礎爐架然後我們有一些契約架的部分那那個契約架包括他的獎金所以他基本上是雙方合一的那我們會去了解如果說有比較不正常的強迫性的時候那我們想我們會去了解爐廠為什麼會做這種事情因為 |
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因為其實你講這部分你就是要講強調說契約自由來解決這個事情可是問題目前來說的時候就是因為四大如平廠他們已經佔據市場八成以上的一個收入的一個情況所以我也想問一下公平會對於這樣子的一個部分的時候那公平會怎麼看 |
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跟委員報告一下這相關的這些行為公平會在93年的時候曾經有調查過那也針對相關的行為進行過查處但是這幾年來這個市場的情況有蠻大的改變所以委員關切這個問題其實就如同剛剛部長也談到了這是一個契約交易的決定的自由 |
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對於上游這個對於這個乳品供應商跟下游的這個廠商來講主委你講說契約自由的部分我真的就覺得不一定那麼認同其實因為針對這個部分畜牧法第36條它裡面就有特別提到為了維持牛羊乳品與那個的產銷平衡的時候呢各縣市主管機關應輔導 |
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就是廠農雙方訂定生農買賣契約所以政府是有角色的那畜牧法這邊的時候是農業部這邊在主管的時候我覺得農業部這邊也必定要擔起這樣的一個責任那麼另外的部分的時候我們就看到了 |
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因為公平會之前曾經認定定型化契約的使用人如果瑕疵由於交易對方的經濟地位定有違反契約利益負擔公平的條款破壞存在於契約當事人兩照之間誠實信用的一個良好秩序是定型化契約的濫用所以針對這個部分我們認為所謂的一個 |
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不得外調這件事情已經非常的影響到弱農他們的一個生計所以我們希望就是農業部跟公平會這邊的時候請針對這個部分要好好的一個處理否則我們看到關稅變零之後消費者沒有得益那弱農沒有得益那到底誰得益我覺得這是一個很大的一個問題好不好 |
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市長跟委員補充一下委員剛剛提到第25條這個部分這個是一個補充性的條款我們實際上會看看市場有沒有聯合統台聯合定價那另外也會看看相關的產業主管機關對於這個問題有沒有一些特別法的規定理解所以我才讓農業部跟你一起出來面對這個問題因為目前其實也有消費者這邊也發起了一人一信到公平會這邊對不對對於這個部分就是要檢舉進口生乳價格不合理這部分我想請教一下公平會目前進度到哪裡 |
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針對這樣一個消費者的活動我們現在針對紐西蘭這個案子 我們現在是立案在調查當中還在調查當中嘛 大概什麼時候會有成果出來可能還沒有那麼快 因為有檢舉的蠻多的檢舉蠻多 就是因為很多嘛 所以說沒有一個具體的一個時間出來 那你要拖幾年才會出來大概給我一個時間點好不好應該不會到幾年 我想大概 |
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我們會盡快啦好不好給我一個時間好不好給我具體的時間 |
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我們盡快好不好因為這個的確前期的內容很多那你事後再到本辦公室來給我一個具體的一個進度因為在這邊我一直在那邊追究這時間的時候那你這邊一直不回答那我們就認為這件事情可能會遙遙無期那消費者的一個權益顯然受損大家一人一心到公平會這邊說公平會還沒有積極去處理那我們其實就會有一點 |
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擔憂這樣的一個情況會持續的發生而且沒有辦法解決包委員我們有積極在處理OK那之後再到本辦公室來繼續做一個說明那因為今天的解凍案當中的時候就是在我們的那個討論事項當中第四案這邊的時候有一個凍結五億元的部分因為凍結五億元這邊的時候呢 |
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這農業部這邊的一個說明 因為農業部這次的解凍報告裡面很多都在講現在做什麼東西 可是我們在監督這部分就是希望有更精進的一個作為啦那針對這五億當中的時候 裡面第四點特別提到說要增進農民福利 並支持弱農因應 乳品市場貿易自由化所帶來的衝擊所以要 請我們要支持解凍案我想針對這個部分 部長 針對這個部分的時候 我們有沒有具體做什麼 |
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但是在這一次的這個凍結的武藝當中有多少的時候會跟我們這個乳品市場跟弱農有關可不可以請進一步做一個說明我跟委員報告其實對內農的幫助我們其實從去年就開始了那第一個部分就是在乳廠端的協助我想跟後續在乳廠的這些調查都需要人力去做那一個更重要我們現在正在談的就是這些大宗的這些 |
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這些應該這麼講那個那個叫做什麼手搖飲手搖飲的店我們現在正在跟他談他如果用全用國產乳的話我們會給他一些獎勵讓他在門口貼標章如果我想辦法讓國產乳的市場區隔化的時候那相對的我們的乳廠的乳就可以順利的送出來理解部長那個什麼因為我看到這次的那個書面的那個解凍報告當中的時候因為大部分都沒有數字 |
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那因為除了那個農水署之外有比較多的數字其他單位都很少數字那我希望你這部分的時候把數字準備好之後再跟本行做一個清楚的調查我想我們再跟委員過做說明把相關的數字再提供給您好那另外最後一個部分就是我針對IUU的部分因為我去年其實我問過這件事情就針對我們的一個蟹魚檢查員我想請教一下我們目前有多少蟹魚檢查員我們的蟹魚檢查員我可不可以請於院署可以 |
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跟委員報告我們現在現與檢察院有31名有31名嘛因為之前的那個前署長的時候講到說有79名這個數字是對的嗎委員報告就是現與檢察院我去年問過這個事情我們的檢察院有兩類一類叫做那個勞動的一個檢查的部分勞動檢察院有現在有70名那我們的現與檢察有31名是他們執行不同的工作 |
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鮮魚警察的部分是針對所謂的非法的漁業行為 特別針對這部分是因為 |
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上個月的時候加拿大這邊有通報我們的台灣的漁船就是非法殺海豚然後去捕殺魚這件事情的時候我們後來怎麼處理跟委員報告這一類只要加拿大的報告送到我們台灣來以後給我們漁業署收到以後我們會立即啟動調查 |
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那加拿大的這一份檢查報告裡面所附的這個影片事證非常的明確所以我們立即把涉及違反這個野保法的部分我們移送檢調來做處理因為那是刑事責任那對於我們漁業違規的部分他捕抓到海豚我們有刻意他義務說你要不管死活你都要釋放要在漁撈日誌裡面去做登載 |
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他沒登載的部分這一個部分我們現在都做立即的這一個行政處分所以行政跟刑事的部分我們現在是分開來因為我覺得就是保育器是一個全球共同的一個價值那我們台灣這邊務必要去follow這部分所以我們對於IU的部分其實也特別的關注那因為我們這一次在那個整個漁業署的費用當中的時候他有一個管理觀察員 |
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這個部分的時候我們總共有多少人因為台灣的遠洋漁船其實有上千多家上千多條船那我們的這個管理觀察員總共會有多少人委員我們現在科學觀察員100位 |
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那因為我們現在國際組織要求的這個涵蓋率就是每一艘船的這個觀察員上去的涵蓋率至少每個組織都不一樣有5%有7%的那目前我們的觀察員的派遣都符合國際組織的規定 |
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OK 針對IU的部分我們希望農業署這邊的時候漁業署這邊的時候是能夠好好去加以規範不要讓這樣的事情一直鬧上國際的新聞好不好包委員是 這個我們會持續來加強推動好 謝謝好 謝謝委員好 謝謝鄭振淺委員那下一位請陳廷飛委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席我們請部長請部長 |
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委員長部長早部長我想在農民移工我們已經討論很久了那麼在5月這個14年5月9號開始我們農業移工新制上路這個部分其實大家有很多的期待阿蓋像以前這樣看得到吃不到 |
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應該不會 我們第一個跟委員報告 特別是委員關心的就是我們移工來 那我們產業那麼多 我們應該給需要的產業盡量的開開這個口 開那個窗戶吧那這個部分我想包括芽菜啊 包括有一些東西我們都已經草皮的部分都已經讓它進來了 |
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所以說我們的項目越來越多有芽菜、有草皮、有食用菇菌還有相關的這些水稻育苗這個我們開放了可是我們開放了這些我們的農業的部分可是我們會不會 |
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今天我們的農業別增加了可是我們是不是真的能夠到位把我們的移工到位然後讓他們真正能夠提出申請這才是重要所以我覺得我們要注意後續的 |
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后续的一个观察也就是说这个农业移工新制上路之后大家有很多的期待可是期待之后呢会不会失望会变成像过去一样虽然我们开了一个门说现在可以申请农业移工可是最后真正能够申请的非常的爽所以部长我们要看的是后续我今天会提出这样的一个特别叮咛就是说我们 |
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整個框架做得很大農業移工新制擴增至兩萬名農業的發展好像瞬間覺得我們人力充足了但是是不是如此 |
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一個問號我們在基層都很清楚雖然每次標題都很大都有很多的期待可是是不是能夠轉嫁到每一個農業別是不是能夠讓每一個故宮都能夠得到他們要的人數跟標準這才是重要那另外一個部分是部長 |
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這一次因為氣候的因素所以呢我們一件一件慢慢的所有的農業大概都已經發生了財損那麼現在 |
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到了最後這個階段就是龍眼荔枝龍眼荔枝其實我在4月份就已經提醒了已經發公文了那麼現在所有的區公所所有的農民其實 |
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一直跟我們說到底現在怎麼辦原本花都開得很多花整個很漂亮啦大家都想說今年應該沒問題結果不好意思都沒掉過都是空炮彈好現在龍眼跟荔枝我知道因為你們大概5月會去做再一次的一個勘栽龍眼荔枝現在5月15勘栽之後就可以確定了嗎 |
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歷史應該是通過了嘛5月15開會就會四方會議就會過然後龍眼呢龍眼呢還沒有龍眼要晚一點怎麼晚你要跟大家知道告知大家知道因為你們的你們的速度跟民眾跟農民的感覺是不一樣的 |
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我跟委員報告就是其實從芒果龍眼荔枝的部分他的花很漂亮可是花不結果沒有用沒錯所以我們要去看他花有沒有結果然後有沒有落果所以他那個時間會慢一點但是一定是在他們採收前一定會決定好你們龍眼預計什麼時候這個可能要看當地的氣候的部分沒有現在基本上差不多這個部長署長我跟你講 |
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大家一定都知道 現在是丹寧的時間了那個花完全已經都空炮彈了啦 |
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所以你現在荔枝是5月15他們說5月底可以5月底荔枝是5月15號四方會刊之後大概就可以確認了好 龍眼是5月底是這要確定喔5月底大概看了四方會刊之後也可以確定了這台都沒辦法修正啦依照我們在現場所看到的過去現在 |
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的狀況其實大家心裡都有一把尺那我們也尊重所有公務人員你們比較仔細一點那也沒有問題起碼我們把時間跟民眾說跟農民說他們心裡就會知道說他們現在的狀況我都請他們先去跟區公所通報啦 |
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那通報完要到達百分之二十的災損一定是沒問題那我們的荔枝五月十五要做四番會刊我們農演五月底這個時間拜託農糧署的部分要確定一下不然農民的心會痛苦痛苦 |
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他們要把它處理掉也沒辦法不處理看到又覺得心裡很痛所以你讓他有一個時間點他們比較能夠處理狀況所以我們大概就把這個時間確定了好 謝謝部長 |
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好 再來就是我們0126的這個大地震我們在預警農會我們有開了一次會議是我們經濟委員會下去的當天因為我們部長在處理我們川普關稅的問題所以沒辦法下去那當天其實我們大概都有做了一個結論就是18個農會有超過2億的這個建物整建費用其實還比較多 |
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現在報出來橋櫃可能兩倍以上但是沒有關係其實我覺得既然要處理那就一次到位所以我覺得說當天我們有做了一個結論就是說針對玉井南化南溪大內東山左鎮這幾個部分大概是我們的這個陳俊元市長這邊來做處理大概他們都陸續報上來對 現在已經陸續在處理了陸續報上來 |
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因為他們也有心要處理像玉井他就要整建好幾個農會都要整建玉井南化他的臨時處所我們已經找好了這個部分要先處理 |
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就是說我們要一次整建的然後臨時處所的我們該處理該幫忙的都一次到位然後在其他的農會有各個包括我們農糧署愛林的尤其我們那個糧倉 |
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糧倉像大內的糧倉這個部分還有我們其他的地方有一些糧倉是我們農糧署的部分然後還有我們有一些比較重要的一些必須要補助的我們都希望在藉著這個機會農糧署跟我們的輔導師應該去合作合作因為既然都解凍了 |
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以前是說我們沒有算但是今天我們就解凍了33億我們就解凍了33億我覺得我們既然有這樣的預算我們就應該讓相關的單位有所感我們今天就要解凍了33億了所以部長這個部分再麻煩18個農會因為0126的大地震所造成的這個損害的部分 |
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一套給處理好不要再一次兩次三次那都會痛而且花的經費又更多所以部長再拜託我想我們會盡量然後也不會說等農會送過來然後說可或不可其實在寫計劃的時候就要溝通這樣的話效果會比較快我想我們請同仁跟農會那邊來計劃怎麼修就好謝謝 |
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好謝謝陳廷飛委員那下一位請楊瓊英委員質詢謝謝主席楊瓊英發言人請邀請部長請部長 |
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我們的農民看天吃飯所以我們好不容易也通過了農業保險法在這個執行的過程當中有很多的不方便所以我們也一直在精進一直在改進所以當時我們也推出了農業天然災害限地照相APP因為我們的農民比較孤兒 |
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那他要用運用這個AI的這個系統呢他似乎我們還要去輔導之但是到目前為止我們發覺還是有很多的農民不知道要怎麼用尤其我們這個農損的時候你說阿我不會受這個我們聽了很難過所以在這樣的情況之下本行認為我們在整個數位 |
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工具對APP的一個操作似乎還有提升的一個空間那目前我們看到3月底你們累進的從112年5月開始上路到現在下載的大概是6萬7千次那所以本席要請教我們有了工具我們希望要能夠用得上 |
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因為我們農民我們一定要好好的這個這個這個協助所以本校請教到現在運用你所謂的農產天然災害限地照相APP而去申請的有多少件我第一個我要報告就是說現在APP下載大概有七萬一千多 |
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一次啦齁那以去年最多因為齁他要去拍的時候這個是下載對這個是下載所以本下請教實際上真正有運用而上傳的有上傳的有75萬張齁 |
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特別是在去年的三次颱風因為有災害以後農民才會去照相所以我們應該去看去年的災害的時候他是瞬間的暴增表示在那段時間有太多人用因為75萬張其實是蠻多的啦 |
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那接下來到今年為止大概有四十幾項四十幾項的天然災害我們開出去了然後我們看這段時間還是很多用APP先去做證據保全的部分那等到我們開了天然災害以後他就拿這個照片上傳的照片就可以讓公所去做後端的查核 |
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所以本席要告訴你的也就是說這個立即是非常的重要那麼呢尤其現在鄉鎮公所的人力也是都有限因為他們後端還要做查核的這個工作那麼我們也希望在這個部分能夠好好的再去推廣再去輔導讓大家都可以在第一時間可以保留到這個證據我想這個是對農民非常大的一個幫助 |
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中部像他剛剛陳廷輝委員講的農園中部有很多農園對不對如果農民覺得他的情況有一些有益的時候他都可以先照降做證據保全所以這個就是你們要宣導嗎要去宣導嘛不然現在急降雨非常的多一沖下去了不見了那這個農民就非常的損失所以這個精進的方案必須要再去提升讓這個立即以及保 |
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保護這個證據一定要好好的去落實才不會我們有了這個工具但是是用不上我們希望好好的協助我們的農民接下來本席要跟你討論的也就是我們現在寵物美農業者那這個非常的多當然也有部分的糾紛 |
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但是目前是社會所需在這個毛小孩的部分非常的重要在整個產業當然你們也提出了一個定型化契約出來以供參考 |
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對以供參考嗎 是不是是就是你們提出這個定型化契約不是範本的意思就是範本嘛 以供參考那麼本席也在這邊要求也就是我們針對於保障動物福利與飼主權益具有積極非常好的一個意義那所以呢在這個落實程度你們也要有一個輔導的機制而不是只有公告在那邊也要輔導 |
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我們後續公告以後我們後續會找工會像美容工會的部分然後他還有一些美容的照護士嘛那這個部分我們都會要求他們來去講解我們要怎麼樣透過合約去保障雙方的權益 |
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部長這個就對了也是本席的要求因為工會呢也是我們最好的志工我們把政府怎麼樣可以協助民眾的我們必須要告訴他們清楚那也要請工會拜託他們也趕快給他們的會員來多做宣導 |
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換句話說政府要主動宣導才能夠落實才能夠落實這個也能夠達到施主本身的一個安心那業者他也能夠安心達到一個最好的一個平衡點這個非常的重要一定要努力的去宣導我們會加強來做 |
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加強來做最後一個議題本下要請教也就是移工的這個部分114年5月9號這個月你們實施農業移工的新制那由一萬兩千人開放到現在你們宣告的兩萬人那我要特別感謝在三個會期我們一直在討論移工的這個部分因為農民真的很辛苦他有的沒有辦法一整年度但是有的類別也需要就像我們的 |
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草皮 你們就納入豆芽菜也納入這個就是人民所需政府就要探求明末聽到人民的需求那但是呢我們拿到了這個核許證的時候呢之後 |
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我們必須還要到這個勞動部去申請在這個依法90天內要去申請喔那但是本市認為我們的農業跟一般是不一樣的他有季節性的需求有 |
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這個時間性的需求所以在這樣情況之下本期具體建議我們開放的人數所以本期具體建議我們的農業部應該跟勞動部你們去討論一個怎麼樣的一個迅速 |
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符合條件的怎麼樣迅速去核發你不要等到兩三個月我的這個季節需求已經過了那這個是太浪費了所以要怎麼樣能夠加速他們申請的這個流程我跟委員說委員非常關心就是說就算我們有那麼多增加了一些人但是如果效率太慢的話過了那個時節 |
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所以我們有跟勞動部在談因為勞動部我們這邊審的完會給勞動部勞動部可能有自己的一套程序那我們希望說是不是可以針對農業的部分單獨拉出來去做審查因為本期是深怕我們有這個美意從一萬兩千人到兩萬人但是如果行政斷鏈 |
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很沒差的所以這個部分你預計要怎麼做呢所以我現在我會再跟勞動部來特別是跟他們部長直接說可以說審查的過程中因為農業它比較特殊性有季節性的部分是不是可以先拉出來單獨審不管它人多人少一段時間就要去審一次那這個時間要怎麼壓縮你看你多久時間可以告訴我們農民大家都拭目以待都在等 |
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你們的方案你跟勞動部紅部長兩個討論你們的方案因為我們確實有季節性的問題時效性的問題嘛因為他有一部分還要修法嘛對不對勞動部可能你說明一下好了 |
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我們農業部的部門我們一定會壓縮時間儘快去處理申請案件至於勞動部的審查機制恐怕涉及相關的法規我們必須要跟他確認說有沒有修法的問題這個部分再來做解釋你要談嘛 你要談才知道答案嘛第一個 壓縮你農業部自己可以做的競訴 |
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依法禁訴第二個立即跟勞動部來討論我們要怎麼樣可以把這個時間流程能夠簡便啊才能夠真正幫助到我們的農民嘛這樣這樣委員我知道您的關心我想我這個禮拜我們一定會 |
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包括我自己跟部長那邊我直接跟他講然後開相關的工作會議然後如果說他們要修法可能要慢一點如果不用修法就可以立即來處理然後月底之前來跟委員做說明月底之前說明 謝謝好 謝謝楊委員那下一位請鄭天才委員質詢 |
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主席 各位委員 有請部長來 請陳部長部長好 委員好最近花蓮台東 |
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因為氣候異常很多的農作物受到這個今年很多地分包括花東地區包括從台東以南其實都有陸陸續續有些災情對對也謝謝農業部農糧署相關的單位也去特別做天然災害的這個部分的一個補助那我看 |
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也特別提到這個還沒有進行的也請這個農業部農糧署那個來協助花蓮西瓜這個也是一樣受到氣候變遷的影響這個相關的西瓜這個摘損很慘重這個本席也特別新聞給農業部針對這個西瓜因為氣候異常這個 |
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他的瓜藤啊這個提早壞死然後相關的劣果都產生所以這個部分也能夠去實際的去調查去了解當然包括那個這個文旦也是一樣文旦也因為有這樣的相關的這些氣候異常也有這樣的一個那個他的那個花還在 |
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開花期間就提早掉落這樣的問題是不是可以請我跟委員報告包括西瓜包括您剛才說的那個柚子文旦的部分其實我們東部的那個農糧署東部東區的分署還有我們的花蓮改良廠其實都持續的在觀察重要的品項那以西瓜來講如果說其實它是一個病害 |
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應該是病害的話我們就希望說他能夠做早期的這些噴藥的管理那如果是真的天然災害所影響的話我想我們會根據相關的程序來公告不過現在還在判斷看起來是應該是因為不同的區位所以我們會比較普遍的去觀察好就麻煩這個農業部還有農糧署好另外一個議題跟這個 |
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防疫署有關係這個度物傳染病防治條例第34條規定因施檢疫物之輸入人或其代理人 |
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因施檢疫務到達這個相關公告的這些港站子就是海關嘛就是說這個通常都是機場比較多因向這個輸入因向輸出入動物檢疫機關申請檢疫要申請檢疫這事過去人工的時候都比較沒有問題現在AI電子化的時代 |
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這個財政部的關務署這個都會是用這個電子系統電子系統現在很重要的這個第一計劃因私檢疫物資輸入人或其代理人這個其就是輸入人的代理人沒有錯吧其代理人就是輸入人的代理人沒有錯 |
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那因為電子化時代就會常常會有這個冒名頂替的這種狀況這個輸入人是被冒名的經過這個關武署去查確實這個我們農業部的相關單位防疫署也去查也確實被報輸入人被冒名頂替 |
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所以相關的這些然後你們就去罰這個代理人秩序人既然是被冒名抵替就沒有所謂的代理人就會產生這個聯動的話所以最新的判決台北高等行政法院在今年的4月11號的一個判決 |
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此為實名認證系統未能防止冒用他人名義註冊之漏洞所致這個很明確了公務署的這個系統確實被有這樣的一個下機檢討的地方所以這個農業部在處理這樣的案子的時候也必須考量到既然沒有輸入人當然沒有什麼代理人的 |
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所以這個部分是一個通案的去檢討這個部分好不好謝謝委員的提醒那雖然說公務組這樣的一個有一個案例在那邊那農業部的部分我想我們會來更積極的對謝謝委員的提醒好不好好這個上次有跟部長還有那個林業署也提到現在這個台灣黑熊棲息範圍 |
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這個已經跟人類的活動奇異的重疊非常的嚴重這個是一方面就動物來講是好現象但是怎麼樣 |
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這個我們的部落我們的人我們的鄉親怎麼樣也能夠獲得保護這個是林業署農業部的新的課題啦新的課題這個上次我也提到這個濁西鄉這個中正部落你看這已經跑到海拔 |
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170-200公尺之內的這樣的一個地點這是一個非常非常需要新的課題好不好 |
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黑熊的保育其實我們現在正在啟動更詳細的族群的調查那相關的牠的棲息地牠的海拔高度那個都沒有問題啦現在是人怎麼保護啦是我們的部落我們的人怎麼保護對好不好那這個要怎麼樣的一個方式大家共存的方式來處理好 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝鄭委員 那下一位請張嘉峻委員質詢謝謝主席 我想請陳部長來 請部長 |
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部長早安我想先請問您一個比較輕鬆的問題這個蚵仔煎跟蚵仔麵線你比較喜歡哪一個還是都喜歡我經常是蚵仔麵線配蚵仔煎 |
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這個很棒的組合我自己也非常非常喜歡吃蚵仔煎跟蚵仔味噌就是你我從小吃到大的味道那背後靠的其實就是無數的蚵農撐起來的那接下來我想要請教部長您知道我們台灣整個牡蠣產業關係到多少人的生計嗎 |
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我知道現在目前大概有兩千多戶嘛一戶如果用四個人去算那光養殖區大概就有八千八千應該不止八千多然後還有那個它的一個產業鏈它的產業鏈那個至少大概一萬五到兩萬以上 |
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是 可能本席這邊的資料更多一點可能有2萬至4萬左右後面還有很多請教 對那他們的平均年齡目前本席拿到的資料是55歲所以就是這2至4萬人每年創造41億的產值那現在台灣的養科產業卻面臨非常嚴重的一個挑戰就是越南進口牡蠣的問題這個部分部長瞭解嗎 |
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我了解就是從108年開始越南的牡蠣大概開始從2000噸到去年大概是69000多噸是那這段時間剛好2000噸到69000多噸6000進口啦進口對然後最主要是因為 |
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我們這幾年來氧科的剛好遇到一些天然災害所以我們的產量有降低那整體的需求大概是2萬到2萬2千噸左右這個是我們的消費需求所以它有一些會越南的負我當然理解但是現在本席比較擔心的是就是這個 |
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蚵仔覆苗的問題因為沒有苗哪有蚵那當然你說如果氣節調節這個我們都可以理解但是呢我們現在台灣的蚵苗啊現在大部分包括九成喔都是靠海放竹架看老天爺的臉色對啊就雲林嘉義我們全部都是 |
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自然覆苗那這個部分呢就等於是會拉低我們的競爭力我們現在台灣的人工覆苗的技術如何呢跟委員報告現在人工覆苗技術在我們水市所的開發之下現在已經基本上成功 |
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那現在問題就是價格的問題然後水智所這邊有雲林的養科的相關的協會有進駐然後他們現在的量技術也學到了所以我在想就是說他現在目前大概是從40塊已經降到29塊了 |
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這就是本席想要講的部長很了解這個狀況也掌握這個重點重點就在於價錢價格的問題價錢這個中國大陸跟那個越南他們的人工覆苗價格成本比我們低因為他們量多 |
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所以他們的競爭力就比我們好那我們台灣不是沒有這個技術我們水市所的技術也很高但是就是成本太高這一點部長有什麼因應的辦法嗎這個部分我正在跟漁業署跟水市所協調 |
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我們的苗一定是後端的農民、漁民要用所以我可能在不管是雲林、嘉峪或台南我們先找一些釋放區讓他們用人工的苗去培育如果說釋放區不錯的時候漁民就會跟上 |
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所以這個部分如果說我們有找到相關的區位的時候我前端的那些人工養殖的苗我可能做一些小部分的這些加差的一個協助我們不要用補助我們用協助這樣子的話可能 |
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讓這個示範區能夠順利的養成那農民後面才會跟進對這就是本席想要建議給部長的就是說我們要趕快跟進我們要趕快把鼓勵農民人工覆苗因為這個價格如果降低然後覆苗這個率 |
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可以說是提高的話那農民他的收入也會更穩定而且我們也會減少對於越南這個進口牡蠣的需求這一點我也是希望部長可以幫忙因為我們其實不是沒有產池不是沒有技術更不是沒有市場所以現在最最需要的就是部長跟署長挺身而出幫他們一把 |
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讓他們這個產業能夠迎接下一個世代的挑戰這一點拜託部長會 我們會努力來做那我們努力保持住這個曾經被票選為最能代表台灣小吃的這個蚵仔煎希望它可以繼續成為我們記憶中最台灣的這個味道那另外本席想要問的就是剛才好多位委員都在講 |
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有關於這個我們台灣的糧食安全 糧食自主希望說這個糧食自主 糧食安全絕對不能拱手送出絕對不能夠農產品零關稅進口尤其是稻米部長這一點是不是可以請您給我一個說明說現在我們談判的狀況 |
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我之前已經說過了就是在整個農業談判過程中我們一定是尋求雙贏的前提那就農業部來講我們一定會確保糧食安全那糧食安全裡面一個非常重要的品項就是稻米所以稻米的部分我想我們會我們會堅守我們農業部的立場就是說我們會保護因為它是糧食安全必要的一個品項然後我們也會讓產業的永續發展所以我們才會有糧食產業的升級方案 |
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部長我舉一個例子上個禮拜日本的首相石破茂接受採訪的時候他就明確表達說絕對不會因為汽車而犧牲他們日本的農業那我也希望說部長也跟我們的賴總統建言說絕對不能犧牲農業也絕對不能零關稅進口這一點部長可以幫助農民做我們農業部本身的態度非常明確那院長也講到農民優先 |
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總統也講不會放棄任何一個產業然後也特別關心我們的糧食的安全所以這個部分我想我們在談判過程中一定會用我們保護我們的農民的權益為前提之下去尋求雙贏 |
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本席對您是有很深的期待既然您對您的這個方案有那麼多的堅持那最後我們其實是有取得共識就是有一個大家說 你說漲1.5塊然後可以怎麼樣 三年可以怎麼樣我們都接受了 |
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但是你一定要用實際的行動去證明說這個方案有效而且呢絕對不能夠讓步假設你還零關稅進口的話我們這些方案我們兩個想的再美好都抵不過美國米便宜的美國米啊 |
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我跟委員說明喔總統當時講零關稅談起不是說我們農產品都是零關稅這個我所了解我們如果零關稅我們完全沒有機會耶所以我們從來沒有在任職的談判過程中從來沒有用這種思維去處理的 |
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是 所以拜託您一定要堅守住這個防線我想我們努力上週五那個農民自主行動聯盟有來到立法院來訴求來抗議他們希望說絕對不能農產品零關稅進口尤其是稻米那他們也有一個蠻務實的建議就是說在談判的過程當中可以納入農民團體 消費者團體食安跟農政學者的民間代表 |
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讓人民也可以透過制度參與重大的農業談判那我想這也非常的合理不曉得部長願不願意在談判過程納入他們的聲音 |
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我想農民產業的意見農業部隨時在溝通但是談判小組有談判小組的策略因為談判小組本身的這些策略其實我們的任何的這些策略的方案都會根據對方的一些挑戰或是一些需求來做動態的調整 |
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所以農民的需求我們隨時掌握那這樣子本席是不是也請部長是不是也能夠主動來關心這些農民團體的這個聲音既然是您來召開吧他們聚集起來看他們到底是需求什麼因為我知道您也是很樂意下鄉的嘛尤其今天如果解凍案完成多了這33億我想你有很多可能現在握在整個掌控在布裡面的大家就可以趕快去幫助這些農漁民了好不好 |
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我們會努力去跟農民做溝通好謝謝好謝謝張家俊委員好那下一位請謝一鳳委員那我先宣告陳超明委員後我們休息5分鐘因為已經開很久好謝謝主席我想要請部長好有請陳部長 |
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委員長部長早安我想要請問一下2018年農業部曾經決定要推動雞蛋全面洗選那希望把洗選蛋從三成提高到100%但是 |
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这么多年从2018到现在你看全面洗选其实还没有完全到位你们到底有没有想要推动现在到底遇到什么问题第一个是不是 |
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我們現在飼養機的機場有沒有辦法整體的配合我們洗選蛋的這樣子的一個供應的系統你雞蛋上面的噴墨到底會不會造成消費者相關他們在食用上的疑慮你是不是能說明清楚 |
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謝委員非常關心這個雞蛋的洗選的部分那現在目前洗選的百分比大概是50到一半從2018年到現在從30%上升到50我們曾經檢討過第一個就是洗選的量能洗選場的量能這是第一個第二個更重要就是說你後端的這個洗選蛋的供應量所以我們現在一直在努力看看可不可以將早餐店 |
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因為早餐店本身如果經過洗選它是比較安全衛生的如果它早餐店能夠順利地用洗選單的時候那前端因為有需求所以牧場端就會進到洗選端所以兩個關鍵因素一個是洗選場的量能那洗選場量能現在大概起來了因為在過去幾年我們有做協助現在就是需求端如果拉得出來那就會往這邊繼續努力所以大家不喜歡用洗選單 |
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大家還是喜歡傳統的買蛋用挑的所以我們現在就是要從市場端包括餐廳包括早餐店那為什麼民眾會有這樣子的我們現在在溝通啦我比較不喜歡用強制的一下強制的人就能反彈為什麼民眾會喜歡這樣子不喜歡洗選蛋是不是有什麼原因有洗選蛋是他們覺得噴墨會造成影響還是說 |
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還有是不是那對於我們現在養雞大家在談寵物福利的相關的問題嘛那國外很流行的是放牧雞嘛那我們在台灣其實放牧雞的方式我們沒有那麼多的就是說養雞場沒有那麼多的空間那未來我們新的現代化的養雞場要怎麼樣子能夠達到 |
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動物福利的這樣子的一個設施呢我想我們後續在推養雞場的改建或興建的時候其實立體化的栽培是全世界一個趨勢包括養豬場養雞場它的立體化栽培它的空間就有機會變大那這個部分我想台南已經有一個廠 |
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你趕快來我們彰化弄一個啊是不是我們彰化也是有三分之一顆的雞蛋全部都是彰化來的現在彰化本身的牌照是被鎖住的因為我們也不希望那個養雞場新增太快那立體化呢 |
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但是立體化改進立體化的話我們可以來考慮就是它立體化以後量變多了那是不是可以用其他的其他的廠類是合作的方式來處理而且需要現代化嘛那現代化的方式你能夠增加投資那是不是可以結合 |
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企業的ESG相關的這樣子的誘因進去你才能促使這些飼養戶能夠去投資嘛投資一定是需要成本的在這種成本沒有誘因的情況下養雞戶是不會要去做這相關的事情對 這個我想謝謝委員的提醒包括ESG的導入包括一些融資貸款的低利貸款的誘因還有對於環境有序 |
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對於不影響其他周邊的住戶這個都是我們需要改進的部分嘛是不是你沒有提供相關的誘因的情況下飼養戶怎麼會改進沒有改進的情況下影響的也是全部的居民啊是不是 |
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我想謝謝委員的提醒我們後續如果有一個比較好的規劃也許可以到彰化去開一個說明會然後去讓這些這些基農就是養雞的這些最主要的大戶的部分讓他了解有什麼樣的方式可以讓環境更衛生然後不會變成零幣作用然後立體化栽培提高它的育成效率這個部分我想我們再來規劃來提供 |
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好那我再請教第二問題今天有非常多的委員都講到了落農其實我們知道落農的就是說牛啊或者是羊啊他們影響乳量最大的部分就是他們的飼料就是牧草 |
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過去我們有說到希望國內的青稞玉米的產量能夠提高那你有沒有辦法做到提高到46萬公噸有沒有辦法這個就是在我們的雜糧轉做裡面他轉青稞玉米的政策誘因要下購 |
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那這樣的話就會變成清割玉米然後讓它有一些木草可以還有一些蘭薇草的部分也是一樣這個我們正在設計 |
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有没有什么样的政策要因你设计你有没有跟主要的乳品供应商共同来讨论他们对于乳量的据我了解他们对于乳量的控制第一个就是从他的就是饲料的这个部分嘛那 |
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如果他們的要求裡面沒有能夠接受國內我們的青稞玉米那當然我們有非常強大的改良廠啊我們可以就是製造出來就是我們的牛能夠生產出優質乳量的時候他所需要的這個甘草嘛那為什麼他們要用國外進口的百慕達草為什麼 |
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我想基本上我們台灣的氣候的關係我們在木茶收割以後它的乾燥跟打包有沒有它的效率比較不好而且它的濕度水分含量比較高所以很容易台灣話叫凹到有沒有它就會比較 |
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口感或質感都比較不好所以這個部分這也會影響乳量嘛對 然後我們在續長那個什麼我們的敘事所其實已經有一些比較新進的新進的技術所以我才會說我們在第一個轉做的部分把牧草納進去如果第一個鼓勵他們去種第二個就是在乾燥打包的那個技術如果能夠讓我們的畜牧業者認同的時候那相關的相關的這些飼料的轉移就會開始進行 |
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那所以目前還沒有辦法現在有少部分啦每一年都還是有少部分的國內的這些牧草進到我們的飼料系統因為我們要雜糧轉做我希望說我們對於這個我們必須要就是優化我們整個就是農作業 |
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也希望說在大家都仰賴進口的牧草的情況下是不是能夠採用就地的牧草那這個部分我相信以我們農業部的技術是有辦法去克服那是不是能夠設下一個目標 |
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讓我們農業部對於我們的使用國內牧草就是我們的飼養使用國內牧草能不能有一個共同的目標那這個情況下是不是然後大家共同來做那當然也需要所有的乳品業者共同的配合是不是我想第一個就是我們回去會針對 |
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牧草的政策原因就是轉做的時候是不是有機會把這個機器人打破只要他願意種就可以得到一些獎勵然後這個部分如果有的話面積會比較多然後會再跟飼養牛的畜牧場去合作我們先找一些示範願意來做的然後去做配方的調整那可以的話我們就會大力來推動 |
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好 我希望說我們可以建立這樣的目標不然過去我們在推動一段期間都沒有成效的情況下未來希望可以達到目標那當然也能夠讓台灣的農地做有效的利用然後能夠達到永續的發展好 謝謝委員提醒 我們會努力謝謝 |
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好謝謝謝一鳳委員那下一位請陳超明委員質詢那陳委員質詢後我們就是休息五分鐘首先謝謝主席那有請我們陳部長來陳部長 |
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部長好,剛剛我聽到謝玉鳳在講洗淺蛋,苗栗的蛋沒有像彰化那麼多,但是洗的方面我比較不清楚,我是剛剛聽到,但是淺蛋現在有一個AI機師,而且非常好。 |
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那一家公司要跟我們農業部去合作去談的時候整個困難很多所以他只有外銷到國外沒有在台灣因為台灣的機場也不大但是你們在採購這些就要去看如果可以就統一採購給機場去做用AI在行可以把蛋最高級的完全依照國外的水準這是剛剛謝委員 |
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在執行的時候我談到這一點那如果你有需要我就提供這家公司給你們真的非常好好 謝謝委員如果有任何的新的技術跟資訊在整個吸鹽設備上面來講我們也可以推介給現在的吸鹹廠不是 吸鹹廠他們又下不了手說價格都很貴 宰到人家都不想做 |
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軟體都以為很便宜我只是這樣講真的要提升我們這個水準一定要用現代化的技術科技的去做我只提醒這一點量少廠商也不一定願意做這個注意一下但是如果在台灣做成功的話可以銷到世界各國去好希望這一點我是提出來再來今天是我們經濟委員會 |
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來解凍我們農業部跟公平委員會那談到解凍最近發生了很多的事情都說我們災害黨在刪預算在凍結預算那我剛剛請我辦公室把他列出來 |
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在114年度農業部本部的預算減列委員會裡面2500萬零包時減列0水保時減列0漁業時減列0房檢時減列是0等於刪你們的預算是0再來農經時也是0農糧時也是0農田水利時也是0刪列你們的預算 |
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那凍結多少?有,你的本部是2.34億,林保是2200萬年,水保是1000萬年,那個漁業是5300萬,黃金是500萬,農金是200萬,農糧是3000萬,農田水綠是凍結500萬, |
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你剛才唸的這個數據一個證明就是什麼我們經濟委員會的委員用專業的方式來看我們農業部的預算所以他刪的是一個合理的我們被刪的是什麼是在黨團裡面刪的你不要亂說把凍結預算說刪了你是老實啦 我不好意思講你啦你還是很專業 |
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那有的其他委員大家在這個經濟委員會裡面都一群二子怎麼可以這樣在電視台亂講不是 那個是在黨團 黨團在提案的時候黨團出來也差不多這樣子沒有 黨團出來 農業部曾經要被刪到剩下零咧哪裏農業部會改改 後面的承擔叫這個經濟委員會這些人不能做啊我們怎麼敢去面對農民 |
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不然五百萬是拿來賭的所以像您要想辦法不然這樣沒有 您對農業了解你們就OK所以我不好意思跟你講你真的比較老實一點講得無法無天的一片造假虛偽 |
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真的沒有這樣的事情你們亂講出來我想我們農業部發出來的一定都是真實的我跟您講不是一定怎麼樣不要配合上面真正的大家在這個地方審查預算誰有跟你們亂過誰有跟你們亂刪過你們自己人如果再刪你們不曉得嗎 |
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比在野黨高高高二百,不是我們在調和的時候哪裡有這樣我是要講一下,現在大壩面如獨如我,我要把事實澄清不然這口氣真的吞不下去,讓你們說到不聽話好像執政黨很清高,在野黨都亂山綠山我希望好好檢討一下,朝野的和諧很重要啊我講一下不針對你,我是把事情講出來 |
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好不好 當然啦 參了預算 五二兩要改止我只希望你留下來 你有沒有信心留下來說留下來你就笑 我會替你保健 因為你是腳踏實地在做事情的人你管你預算你也不敢亂花欸剛剛是給你表態而已 跟上面先是效忠我達到你的目的 留下來吧 |
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留下來以後我再替有幾件事情要拜託你 |
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我也謝謝你苗栗的冷鏈計畫你也給我們360萬做前期的規劃那後期的規劃很重要冷鏈一流冷鏈物流冷鏈的知識改得好我相信會帶動臺灣農業的一個發展也能保障農民生產的權益因為我現在去了解說現在的技術突破變化的太快 |
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這臺灣這一點好好去把它鍛煉一下把這整個做下來可以的話到國外隨時大家都能生成我只這一點要愛情你要好好拜託別說我自己手手的自己用用的你就不要給我我告訴你你剛剛的校中行政院長一定聽得到了 |
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要不要補助計畫出來好好審你不要笑我不答很曖昧我就很緊張我現在不知道怎麼回答您的問題你這樣子也不敢回答你給我的話你怕被上面罵我們在委員長你給的怕被上面罵嗎大膽一點該做的就要做我們回到專業 |
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就是您剛才講的冷鏈的計畫我們提供了一些規劃費規劃完了以後我們會規劃後的方案跟它的規模還有它的營運主體我們會經過審查會在可能的範圍之內我想區域冷鏈物理中心是一個非常重要非常重要我們會來協助但是還是要看最後的規劃出來的這些規模跟它的經營主體還有它的相關的這些設計這個我們後續會透過審查來確定好的 |
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農糧市長你最了解你台中分屎出來我會請教過你好幾次你要下來指導我會做的完美給你好不好你還要留給我去做以前是我不會做現在是從頭都要設計好不要改來改去我們的確診抓住這一點好不好再來我經常拜託的農奉醫港直銷中心我們的規劃大概完成也是最近要送進來 |
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我常常給你愛情,給你榮榮,你會不會有危難?我容然是要做最好的請多多幫忙那個地點很漂亮,你有沒有去過?我昨天還去看歌我們現在的現狀,我看歌走出去了 |
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都在旁邊離岸婚禮也在那一邊地點非常優越前臺灣省找不到了我的照片再傳給你看晚上照片起來非常漂亮真的是地方創新能給農民有很高的 |
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以後量以外那以後變成一個人潮的中心我照片給你我昨天特地去看我跟小孩子去看課現在的量雖然沒有贏但是還能達到四分之三那以後中心幫幫忙好不好 |
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我想同樣的我們也提供了大概四百八十幾萬的規劃費嘛我要跟委員報告其實我們現在遇到一個更重要的問題就是財務法以後農業部的非常多的預算要被切出去所以相對的我們在符合我們農業部在協助的部分特別是在你們這邊提到的這些直銷中心 |
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然後他規劃出來以後我們看他的規模然後怎麼樣跟地方政府一起努力讓這個職教中心能夠成立這是最大目標啦保證財務法現在在大法庭釋憲我判斷會拖一兩年我的判斷不一定會通過因為兩邊還要再協調我不曉得有沒有鬆弛釋憲如果財務法的釋憲等解釋出來大概最少要拖兩年 |
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兩邊還有溫柔斬牙清清澈澈在一些還沒有很確定以前雖然立法院過了但是所有執政黨都不承認他不喜歡的就收到大法庭序這也很奇怪但是我講如果沒有確定以前容然照舊的話請多多的幫忙跟協助好不好 |
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會 我們會一起來跟地方政府一起來努力現在再來 我的問題比較小也沒有說很大白沙屯有一個農會要改建你昨天就說要跟我們答應那個是一個地標會給你農業部做很好的景點一天去找 需要50萬人 輪山輪海 |
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他們送計畫來我們會來處理應該送計畫了喔還沒有送還沒有送我去追他們幫幫忙好不好媽祖要幫你保佑每一個人都升官你留任好不好謝謝真的喔上來要幫我打小工喔不然我不敢去別山路去拜拜因為我要看他 |
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你這樣講就變成對價關係了不是對價關係我是拜託啦我想我們針對相關的地方的建設在中央的財政許可的範圍之內我們會來做協助啦然後重點就是說地方包括農會那個部分他也要有規劃案出來我們才能夠做評估啦保證啊你敢說對價關係我為人不敢說 |
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你這名對價我們為民請命你要說對價你比檢察官還惡劣我是替百姓承認這個要解決了因為講到對價現在都隨便亂談只要一談就把你扣上去我有順利其通的感覺 |
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不會啦 我想委員是從地方的角度來爭取經費的好啦 你不要講對價 等一下檢察官這邊有錄音 檢察官把我拿過去你受害我了喔 改天我會找機會跟你回覆一下喔好不好 謝謝 拜託了 |
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好繼續開會那下一位請賴瑞榮委員質詢好謝昭偉請陳部長來請部長 |
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部長辛苦了那個預算解凍我沒有特別的問題啦那我想要關心一下這個包括動保法包括寵物的一些相關問題現在其實越來越多人其實都有養寵物啦毛小孩的部分那其實我認為其實我們對於這些要建立更完整的一些規範對於相關的那我想問一下部長支持嗎對於整個這個寵物業者整個評鑑管理其實要做更多的加強來納入到整個體制內 |
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對 我想謝謝委員的一個提醒就是其實寵物業的評鑑是一個非常重要的關鍵那可以去讓這個整個寵物業沒有 它撐制不起啦對 然後這個部分其實我們每一年都有評鑑但是我覺得那個強度跟那個標準其實可以定得更嚴謹讓我們的寵物產業能夠繼續往前提升所以部長同意朝這個方向嗎我們一定會做要多久時間可以來做一些強化的機制出來 |
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這個部分其實它並不涉修法這個評鑑的部分我想我們會立即我會後就會多久的時間多久 |
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一個月之內 我們新的一個評鑑的一個制度我希望不要劣幣足量幣 同時也能夠讓整個這個建立一個完善的形勢各位報告 是不是可以要六月底 因為六月底我們針對那個飼養的有沒有 飼養的那個部分一起我們一起提出來好不好 好 OK另外是大家也很提到了所謂的凍檢員的部分 這個部長支持這樣的方向嗎 |
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對,我們在這次的修法也把它放進去就是去加強動物檢查人員的一個父權的關係就是他在緊急的情況之下可以進到私領域去但是他不會任意的進去啦對這個部分我想我們會可以確保這些寵物、動物的相關的一些權益是,動物的保護是非常重要的對,這個也涉及到台灣整體的形象啦如果常有一些虐待的一些情況的話這個對於台灣整體來講是不能的 |
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那再來市主的一些良善的責任這個部分包括有時候常會遇到很多棄養甚至有時候這個部分怎麼樣來做更多的強化這次在修法裡面我們有納入特別是這些棄養過去在棄養的定義並不明確然後這次在修法裡面我們把棄養的定義做得很明確你必須經過到動物收容裡面去做登記以後才能去處理不能隨意你如果沒有到動物的 |
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收容所去做登記去做一些認養的關係的時候那就視為棄養我也希望這一塊要把它更確立起來因為每一個你要飼養其實都是一個責任它是都是一個生命都是一個責任那你不能夠要的時候養但是不要說用整個這樣丟棄甚至於造成很多問題像動輒路邊的一些流浪狗、流浪貓甚至連濾烈蜥都是所以這個會造成很多的一些問題這應該要更加的去強化跟重視 |
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對 飼主的責任我想我們在這次動法法修法也變成一個重點好 那另外其實很多的登記跟絕育的管理這也很重要啦既然就是你要飼養應該有更多的登記的機制讓大家知道到底在哪邊然後牠的整個狀況是怎樣這也是確保這些牠們的權益然後這些寵物這些動物們的權益 |
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對 謝委員因為關心這個寵物登記因為只有登記落實的時候才能夠去掌握這些犬隻的這些數量也才能夠根據這個去落實我們的事主責任所以這個部分是最基本要做的我想我們在這一次的修法裡面也會納進來然後我們現在已經在做了像貓的飼養貓的那個登記我們用強制的明年1月1號開始明年1月1號開始來強制登記 |
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好那另外還有很多的是為繁殖買賣的啦齁這個甚至於很多是是非缺乏一些規範的這個恐怕未來也要持續來那個齁不要讓這些 |
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這個繁殖買賣甚至於非法的一些不斷的擴大因為這個都會影響到整個這個也是委員一直關心的這個的前提就是說我要落實我們的事主的分級的管理這個也是委員一直常說的你在分級管理的時候針對這些禁止飼養的或是必須特殊情況飼養的部分我們有規範的時候我們才能夠回頭要求我們的這些繁殖場做更有效的一個管理所以這個也會把它進入數碼建立型我覺得這個都 |
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都是那個那再來我們也常看到很多啦一些社群平台有很多虐待動物的資訊的發布啦這個很傷害台灣的形象也很傷害整個這個部分有沒有什麼樣一些機制來做處理這個部分在現在目前的機制就可以在做了就是我們隨時針對 |
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我們的這些網站的這些販賣動物的訊息或是有任何的有可能產生虐待動物的情況的之下我們都會去報案像前幾天我們針對有一些非法的我們也去報案我在上禮拜還是有在看到類似像這樣的影片在傳對好不好那但是你們去要求的時候他下架同時做開罰這個有做得到嗎 |
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我想我們現在跟網站網路的經營業者有一個比較好的默契就是說所以一旦有這些的影片出來的時候你們要求他下架下架用下架的方式現在目前他們都大部分都能夠配合啦經過說明以後都能夠配合那如果適度必須要開罰的時候我想開罰也要開罰必要開罰我們就會因為這個開罰才會涉及到相關的公權利益的行使再來是寵物的食品安全也很重要啦他會影響到寵物的整個整個他的安全 |
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那抱怨了嗎我上次跟在委員會也報告就是我們會在5月底抱怨然後現在在內部已經審查完成了然後在這個禮拜這個禮拜是經過我們的部裡面的主管匯報通過以後我們就送院了我們希望讓這些寵物他們的食品有更好的一些規範 |
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也更安全的食品這個能夠把這件事情做得一個更好現在寵物很多人視為也形容像他們的家人一樣那你有更清楚的食品規範的時候才能夠讓他們是更健康更快樂的一個生活這個也是委員一直在關心的我們會從生產端然後料園這邊要確保它的料園的安全性對寵物是安全的還有包括它的販賣業者的管理都全部在寵物食品專章裡面去處理好 |
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最後一個問一下現在網路上還是有在販售一些活體的動物跟寵物現在上很多一些網站還是買得到這個部分有要追究這些平台的責任嗎這個齁如果你在網路上販售這樣子的一個寵物的話你必須要有許可證你必須在網路上面要登記你的許可證字號如果沒有的話就是非法 |
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那非法的話第一個我們會要求下架第二個部分我們會針對它的一個網路的來源刊登的來源去做處罰部長現在還有啦我希望技術去要求下架同時間技術來做開罰好不好唯有開罰才能夠嚇阻這樣的行為的發生在網路上面非法的販售活體的寵物是大家無法忍受的好謝謝部長辛苦了謝謝 |
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好謝謝賴瑞榮委員那下一位請邱志維委員質詢好謝謝主席我請呃是不是請陳部長陳部長 |
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部長,第一個問題請教你,就是台日農業交流,應該是農漁業交流,台日,我們4月28號住宿代表的時候,農業組正式成立,我們在其他住宿有沒有農業組相關的編制?在美國有, |
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歐盟歐盟有對我們只有三個主要管處嘛最主要就是我們的外銷最主要跟農業多產品外銷有關的歐盟是派出一位然後這個北美一位對不對兩位北美兩位那歐盟一位歐盟也是兩位歐盟兩位然後日本也是兩位 |
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這個我覺得農業跟經濟一樣重要所以我們經濟組在主要管理處都有經濟組的同仁跟我們推廣或者協助農業的交流那我們現在對美國的關稅政策對農業當然有很多影響我們必須分散市場分散市場你要拓展我們出口市場所以出口多元化很重要那你東協也要考慮設立 |
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我們東協目前在印尼的部分有派我們的農業部的同仁在那邊去做協助然後最主要的外銷都是由國際私形成相關的策略以後因為你有這個派出人員你會制定工作目標你針對工作時間請你們做管轄 |
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所以就像經濟組一樣不管是農業組同仁或經濟組同仁他也是歸經濟委員會來做監督考核所以我覺得這部分台日當然已經早就該成立了那你今天上個月成立那南韓跟台日的農業跟台韓的農業我覺得台日農業交流是比台農業交流好很多為什麼韓國南韓沒辦法做 |
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南韓我應該在去年吧去年年底的時候我有去過一次南韓那邊的這些寵物的飼料本身還有一些相關的我們的漁產品也有相關的外銷所以我們要看它的貿易量到某個程度的時候是不是值得我農業產品南韓是第幾大的出口市場南韓應該第幾 |
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應該是排行十以後的吧趕快地緣經濟啊你不喜歡農漁產品出口第三大市場對不對那這個但是這樣還不夠是在我國日本對台這個進口的57%左右所以不只台日的這個農業交流有必要深化廣化 |
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那另外 台南之間我覺得也應該要加把勁你要擬定對策啊 |
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這個部長謝謝委員我想我們會來啟動正式的一個評估包括我們未來可能要去銷到韓國的農產品然後用什麼樣的方式跟外館那邊有沒有什麼樣的方式去派駐人員因為這個人員大概都是從我們縣市人員去調的是啦是啦你要針對主要的國家韓國啦東協你說印尼你就應該在那邊設個農業組是我想人員不是問題專業不是問題但你有編制你就會有成果對 |
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另外我針對高雄石斑魚對內出口我們組成一個拓銷小組鼓勵各位龍虎班可以消往日本那我希望以南部為主的東高雄 台南 屏東這個石斑魚的產區對日本的這個出口應該要擴大 |
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所以通路很重要,通路沒合作,日本主要的商社,不管是以縣為主,以區域為主,應該要請我們住宿代表處的各個分處,福岡、福岡辦事處、大阪、甚至北海道、雜訪,應該要給他們相關的責任。 |
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去協助我們這個龍虎班、石班能夠在當地透過通路來打開我們的這個外銷我跟委員報告因為這次去年去的時候我特別針對那個石班類的部分他們評估就是在關東地區其實他的機會會比關西地區還多然後現在透過我們的西湖鐵道公司 |
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為什麼關東 現在是關係為主嘛飲食習慣 最主要是飲食習慣對 我們現在是嚮往關係嘛對 那關東是更大的一個機會更能夠接受嘛對我們太太是說都沒差 |
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日本人不管是關西 都要吃酒半夜所以我想我們會有一整套的一個措施特別是針對剛才您講的通路是非常重要的然後現在我們在西鐵鐵道公司這些中餐的部分已經導入了署長很專業署長這個海洋事務專家我希望說半年之內有具體的成果你把這個量 把這個量 |
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能夠擴大量也放大然後點也能夠遍及到全日本是 耿委員耿委員報告就是目前在18年以蘇日裡面價錢還是稍微有一點就是有點高那這一點 |
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那署裡面跟在部長的指導之下我們其實現在對於輸往日本的部分這種外銷獎勵的部分我們現在都會持續來推動那剛剛委員提到說日本各縣的這些的商社我想我們也都會來努力最後一個問題就是你們農保虧損的狀況 |
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農保啊我們這個有預算凍結是針對農保部分我希望農保這個未來改善有沒有具體的目標現在我們的虧損大概是1800多億那最主要是農保的保費有沒有保費是比較低嘛那你一年之內你要達到多少目標 |
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我們每一年我把詳細的是不是可以請我們去年報告委員我們農保每年虧損大概50億上下那現在就是因為整個農保的人數越來越降低所以我這個虧損會縮短那之所以現在來了50億的這樣的一個水準是因為 |
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我們之前調高了農保的商帳幾戶現在農保的支出最主要都是在商帳幾戶大概90到95%之間所以未來農保的人數下降之後這一部分的虧損會減少那我們也積極在做相關的查查的工作需要能夠讓農保制度健全 |
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財政平衡很重要 對農民的照顧也很重要所以這個部分 這兩個目標都要兼顧了那另外這個農業保險你們覆蓋率那我了解目前大概53點多對 農業保險那你們有沒有具體的目標譬如說 我覺得多少目標是合理的 是你們預期達成的我也剛剛問他們貝霞 |
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我跟委員報告我之前跟我們的農經署在討論過去充量不看品質那每一張保單可能有人保但是保的不多我現在希望說回過頭來去檢討我們的保單的品質希望每一張保單有很多人保這樣的話保險的理賠也不會那麼高錢總很重要 |
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然後對重要的農產品這個很重要所以農運受極端氣候影響的受市場調節影響的所以風險比較高的這些農運產品我覺得這個覆蓋率一定要最高對 這個覆蓋率最高就是每一張保單大部分的品項都已經納入了天然災害有關的但是現在就是每一張保單它的保單人數這不簡單 這幾年之內農業保險覆蓋率可以提升到五成以上這個也算不簡單 |
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那我希望說針對主要的這個重要的農運產品它的覆蓋率應該會更高啦好 我們會來努力好 謝謝謝謝部長 謝謝各位同仁 謝謝好 謝謝邱志維委員我們也要拜託邱委員來幫我代理一下 |
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謝謝 下面質詢請蔡議員好 謝謝主席那我們是不是有請這個農業部部長請農業部陳部長 |
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部長好,部長今天的解凍案中其中有一案是關於嘉義的茶改廠的興建,那我想要請教一下說,未來我們解凍案之後,以及柴桿產的興建的進度,那是不是可以說明一下? |
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謝謝委員我們當初的茶開場本身我們是用雙種廠制就是在原來的種廠跟嘉義這邊那你也知道在過程中有一些曲折就是包括選地的時候可能土壤的地質不適合種茶所以我們做了一些調整那現在我們把相關的計畫已經報院了那院裡面他覺得現在的 |
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要蓋一個總廠它的經費的問題啦所以我準備今天下午今天會議完了以後我會再召開一個專案會議去確認說今天下午我會召開專案會議去確定我們所有的要下一步要怎麼走的這些包括預算包括相關的這些規劃然後再去提出更好的說明跟讓行政院同意那相關的會議如果討論完了以後我第一時間會讓這個訊息給跟委員報告 |
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好我想部長因為就雙種廠所以事實上他們走的方向也不一樣那我們嘉義這邊除了茶之外甚至我們把咖啡的部分飲料的部分對飲料咖啡也變成這個未來這一個嘉義的廠主要的一個 |
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一個研究的一個範圍所以方向不同但是我們也知道說阿里山的茶阿里山的咖啡這幾年事實上整個它的品牌都打出來所以我們需要更強而有力政府的背書讓它的這個品牌價值可以更高這個我想部長這個從這樣來 |
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我想非常認同 特別是阿里山的茶葉其實越來越讓國外的人知道了他的一些茶的品質也好 他的風味也好然後再加上他茶跟其他的飲料做調和包括咖啡有沒有這些部分都值得在嘉義變成一個雙種場的概念所以我們是朝這個目標只是說因為經費的關係我們看可不可以調整一些現在的規模然後來符合我們行政院的要求這個部分我想我們會來努力 |
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好我想就積極溝通喔如果現在就是說跟行政院最後的意見交換那我想我們就趕快來處理然後看行政院這邊的意見怎樣然後大家趕快來做一個最後的一個核定好不好好我們會來努力第二個問題就是說我們嘉義阿里山 |
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最近這幾年我們本來就是特產叫高足叫歌順這個叫高足他現在就因為染病他這個病叫作醜業病 |
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這因為染了這個細菌,然後整個阿里山的山區,這個竹筍就大量的死亡而且這個死亡,就是說他這個破壁後,這個竹子算沒哪裡沒哪裡,等於說他就發不出來,所以未來可以想像的就是這裡的竹林 |
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全軍覆沒了,而且一旦染病之後又不可逆他連土壤都被感染了,所以未來這順也發出來,也是定義賣大漢、賣大漢賣,定義都溫馨啦,不會讓他硬起來所以看起來,這個教高層的狀況,這個可以說 |
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是屬於這裡產業的一個天災那我想要請教部長那你們現在要怎麼有什麼方向來來做這個後續的處理我跟委員報告那個教高族本身的染病那基本上我們判斷是可能跟逐年的老化沒有及時的更新有關那雖然說我們已經有做一些用藥的指導可是相對的就像委員剛才說的他可能會整片的部分 |
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所以其實最有效的話是整片去做竹林的更新或者是你竹林砍伐以後去照領我們有新的獎勵照領6年6年就可以領到應該60萬吧55到60萬或者是竹林更新我們也會有獎勵從明年開始 |
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部長我只是要說這個事實上這個孫子他可能高生都沒有了全剩一生事實上你要做竹林的更新竹林的更新他可能這個病沒有徹底根據 |
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跟絕錢他可能會再發對所以你看起來竹林更新這件事情是一個問號是所以現在地方又有在講說我們不然就走向照林對那照林出來咧阿爹夫婉意配合官吏未來這個整個林場會很漂亮喔對 |
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而且造林也可以創造了我們現在大家在講淨林碳排然後要有所謂的森林碳會那就是森林碳會最好的地方但是問題來了如果我們以6年我們說55萬到60萬這樣的金額事實上對地方現在的竹農吸引力不夠 |
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這個變成是因應不夠你要思考喔一般來這個是一個經濟作物喔他們是有很好的收入的喔結果你現在要把他轉向說好你們走向造林以後你們就去管理這個林場結果他自己的生計會產生問題 |
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所以我覺得部長要去思考一下我們既然要讓他們來走向造林走向不一樣的一個森林的管理但是這樣的一個補助沒有誘因的話要怎麼讓這一些竹農維持生計呢第一個就是說我們現在的造林獎勵六年從原來的20年60萬到變成六年60萬那個時間縮短了第二個部分就是他六年完成以後還會有持續的撫育的經費 |
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還有一個非常重要的就是它有它的碳匯的價值然後這個部分我想我們會來協助我們轉噪鈴的部分透過ESG也好或其他的方式也好去取得這些碳匯的這些金額那這樣的話無形中也會增加它的一些收入 |
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就是這個碳會 但是這個碳會價值還要經環境部的一個一個方法學的一個方法學嘛對 但是我們會來協助人民對 但是這個碳會部分就是這樣啦它都必須要屬於企業合作社才會取得但是我剛剛在講的是個人啊 |
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事實上讓他們 讓這些主農下去管理這個碳匯到底會回到個人 那個人怎麼去使用這個碳匯這個還是有這個運作上的困難我想我們林保署會去做媒合 特別是個體戶的部分怎麼樣去連了許多的個體戶變成一個比較大的量能的時候再去跟企業做對接 這個部分我想林保署一直在做這樣的協助 |
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好 沒關係 我覺得這兩個問題都很要緊的啦從他開產 從我們這個較高族的這樣的一個森林的場域未來要走向造林也是要兼顧這裡竹農他們未來的生計我想這個農業部可能在我們會放在心裡好 那再麻煩 謝謝謝謝蔡議員 部長請回座 |
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來下一位請郭育晴郭委員不浪費大家的時間好謝謝主席有請部長 |
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每次來這邊應該就知道我要問跟動保相關的一些問題了部長知道這個基隆市的動物中所理性管理員涉及所謂的虐待動物的事件嗎這我有聽說過您認為是個案還是還是制度上出了問題 |
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我覺得以這個案子看起來是個案他們後續的調查不過我想整體的一個收容所的一個管理它是一個系統性的問題這個必須要去做徹底的據我所知道因為時間關係我就不一一點明說明因為其實近三年至少有六起跟公立收容所這個人員涉及不當對待有關係但是都沒有一件被所謂的這個移送 |
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那只有這個內部的部分來做這個調職了事啦那我就想要問這公立的收容所當中有多少人是經過所謂的動物行為福利的訓練還有另外就是主管機關是不是有針對所謂的調查的一個標準來就是懲處 |
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的一個流程那另外呢還是這個部分是交由地方政府各自為政呢還是說我們民眾又應該要如何能夠知道公立收容所當中的一個現況我們是可以透過什麼樣的一個長期的觀察或者是志工長期的進駐成為第三方的這個監督我覺得這個三個這個問題我請部長回答我一下我想細節部我先請那個我們董事長回答我再來回答 |
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那個報告委員有關於現在各地的一個收容所那我們一向以來的立場就是要資訊要能夠透明所以我們現在所有的縣市政府的那個每個月的那個收容的一些動態的資料我們都放到我們的動物保護網上那第二個部分就是有關於收容人員的部分我們非常務實的講收容人員的部分目前來講都是各地方自行聆聘跟訓練那這一個部分我們也會要求相關的一些專業的一個要求 |
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那我想以這個基隆市的這個公立收容所為例這位李姓德這個管理員他除了他是自己本身是不愛動物的啦然後他因為擔心這些被收容的一些動物因為現在是零安樂他就覺得要處理他們的大小片是麻煩的 |
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所以甚至沒有長期不給這些動物吃東西然後還用那個強力的水柱來噴地上甚至噴在狗狗的身上這個其實是非常非常嚴重的一個虐待的行為那據我們知道之後其實我也有向這個基隆的公立收容所我們來做這個 |
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來做洽詢喔那他是說這位理性的這個管理員已經被調離現職但問題是調離現職之後我接下來就想要問了到底我們平常的收容所裡頭是怎麼樣去篩選這些所謂的管理員 |
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有什麼樣的一個資格那到底一個不適任的一個人員為什麼他可以負責來照顧這些被收容的動物這是我非常大的一個質疑還有他涉及虐待動物的部分我們事後應該要怎麼樣來做懲處是不是應該要來追究 |
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我想跟委員報告我覺得委員提到一個非常重要的就是當一個收容所收容了動物反而變成一個戀愛動物的場所那是絕對不對的那這個是牽到收容管理的人員的基本的訓練跟他的信念所以我覺得以現在來講收容人員的就是就是聘任並沒有一定的 |
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相關的這些職能的一個訓練或是標準所以我覺得後續一定要去朝這方面就是說你的收容人員你要聘任這些收容人員你必須要有一些基本的這些這些條件這不是只有考慮這個問題去檢討這個問題然後就 |
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沒有 然後後續因為後續我們要怎麼樣來建立這些制度然後讓地方政府的這個公立的收容所真的能夠依照這個制度來進行它對於所謂的動物的一個照顧跟管理因為這些動物其實關在裡頭它更容易被虐待但問題是對於這個人員管理員的沒有任何的篩選跟沒有任何的懲處只是掉離限制而已這個答案其實我沒有辦法接受我覺得也不適合只有掉離限制但是相對的以現在的規範來講我們會更去強化 |
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後續的管理的時候的一個SOP我舉個例子就像我們到一些比較大的超商的賣場的廁所一樣他都有相關的規範然後怎麼樣去處理我們在收容的場所裡面我們如果導入這個制度他必須要用什麼樣的方式所以現在是沒有導入這個制度嗎現在是沒有那這個管理的辦法什麼時候可以盡快的出來可以 |
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我們六月底之前也是六月底我想六月底我們把這個新的規範全部弄過一次包括檢核的清單檢核的checklist這樣的話第一個收容人員的訓練第一個要做他的篩選要做篩選可能比較慢一點但是在職的訓練可能馬上啟動第二個部分就是管理的SOP管理的checklist一定要落實六月對 六月底 |
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6月底出來那我們之後要怎麼樣去審核地方政府他們的公立收入有沒有依照這個我們也有一個審核的機制嗎對我想他們每一次的這些檢核表應該有一個上傳的機制然後我們去檢查他們不同限制可能強度會不一樣然後我們針對執行比較差的我們會列入加強的一個查核然後也會實際的積查對實際的查核一定要的好那我們期待6月 |
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那如果那個訊息能夠早一點出來再麻煩給我們辦公室我們先把這個確立時任業動議再請委員來指正好 謝謝 謝謝部長謝謝主席好 謝謝郭益勤 郭委員那下一位請徐欣穎委員 徐欣穎委員 徐欣穎委員不在請林楚英委員 林楚英委員 林楚英委員不在好 下一位請陳冠廷委員諮詢 |
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主席我們請部長來請部長 |
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部長好部長應該知道說最近我們阿里山地區九國順九國順大規模枯死這個問題那目前我們得到的資訊是海拔一千公尺以上的竹林死亡率已經超過八成這是一個非常嚴重的狀況那嚴重影響七八成依靠竹鼠維生的這些居民 |
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那這個破戒的問題就是大量的枯死他們的竹子因為地形因為很陡峭嘛有些時候是那個沒有辦法清理那第一個就有可能會成為火災的隱患那農民有反應說地形陡峭繼續沒有辦法進入 |
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花費的時間跟這個金錢太多所以部長如果沒有辦法處理這些枯死的竹林那有沒有什麼其他的具體的等級應對比方說怎麼樣去優先處理高火災的風險區域 |
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第一個部分現在那個主本身他評估起來是因為老化的關係沒有更新的部分所以後續我想如果他值得去做更新不會因為土壤的一些病害的影響我們會去更新 |
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那照林的部分後面也會連結到一些探泉的部分我們會來協助好那剛才部長有注意到這個問題我覺得很好那但是我覺得這種陡峭的地形是不是貴部有沒有可能計畫引進力士輕型集採所到或者是單軌搬運機 |
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我想我們可能會來我會請林保署評估那個那邊的地形然後如果需要一些輕型的機械的話也許用共同使用的方式而不是說每一戶都來申請共同使用的方式然後來看看有哪一個合作社或是用什麼方式來申請 |
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那這個時候我們再來協助我們真的朝這個方向來做朝這個方向再麻煩你了你剛剛有提到說這一個富裕還有生計上面的支持部長你剛剛提到每公頃20年大概55到60萬那是不是剛剛說這些還變成6年變成6年 |
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6年55到60抱歉從20年變成6年所以這是一個進步我想說有沒有可能就是說現有的這個獎勵造型政策我們第一個在經濟在增加這是第一個那第二個就是說我們最新的有沒有選譽的最新進展 |
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所謂選育是樹種的部分樹種部分其實我們林市所一直在做相關的這些評估然後現在也非常多的造林的樹種他都已經有公布在相關的資訊不同的地區不同的地形也有不同的樹種 |
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謝謝謝謝部長那部長我特別提到你剛剛提到合作社那其實合作社提供給他們這個我剛才提到的這種引進的這種搬運機也好或者是從這個竹林的這個搬運還有說未來的移動式碳化爐或破碎機那這些購置這些東西把它轉化成有價值的部分也請部長如果有機會盡量的替我們當地的這一些民眾來去爭取 |
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那加多加高 那讓我們這個 畢竟他也是我們阿里山的一個原始的這個育種啦 那能夠協助他們 不然真的是這個狀況確實是蠻嚴重的 好不好謝謝委員的提醒 謝謝部長好 謝謝冠廷委員那我們先宣告延長開會時間 到我們今天的所有議程都處理完畢好 下一位請張雅玲委員質詢 |
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好 我們有請部長 謝謝請部長 |
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大家好相信部長也知道我要問什麼啦主要是野保的問題就是說目前我們在114年的遊蕩犬的管理進進措施計畫有看到就是說農業部有提供國際文獻支持就是說希望今年我們可以依循這個國際的文獻來落實我們3比7的公母犬的一個結紮比例那我想問一下就是說 |
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我們有這個科學數據齁但是到底如何落實嘛因為現場我們一定是看到就抓來 看到就抓來嘛我們如何去做到落實這個真的可以達到3比7這件事情我想第一個就是說基本上從科學證據來講就是說你母犬絕育效果會比較好可是我實際在抓的時候我不可能說 |
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抓三隻公的抓七隻母的不可能就是有直接去處理但是有一個重點就是說我們如果完全不處理大概五年會翻倍所以我的問題是說你要如何去因為我們一定是抓到不可能說只有抓到母的才處理對不對你一定就是抓來就處理那你事實上你如何去達到這個比例3比7呢你會怎麼做呢 |
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或是你市會會再做什麼事情去確認你這樣子的抓法我想過往我們缺乏一個資料就是絕育以後到底是公選母選並沒有做有效的調查所以我們後續特別是請動保師這邊再處理就是未來的絕育一定要去把基礎資料先建立起來看看我們抓的部分到底是什麼樣的一個比例然後未來的回治或者是在收容在認養的部分 |
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後續也可以針對這樣的一個比例去做一個相關的處理我想確定一下所以說我們現在沒有資料對不對我們現在是不知道的所以我們現在要建立基礎資料大概要花多久的時間呢要陸續做我們現在應該就我們就可以要求地方政府做記錄 |
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我想鄧博士回應就是說可能在立即我們就會叫地方政府針對現在第一個收容所裡面的已經收容所裡面的公母的比例然後未來抓的部分有一個平台可以去登錄然後開始就是開始去執行這樣的一個情況好啊那我想因為這個詳細的規劃我今天很時間不夠那是不是可以請一個月以內提到我辦公室讓我知道具體的時程以及你們會如何的去做這件事情好不好那再來就是說 |
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我們目前的一個生態樂區的計畫我們其實是包裹在遊蕩犬的管理經濟措施計畫當中那目前我收到的回覆是說我們沒有要針對生態樂區推動一個法制化的規劃 |
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但是我今天還是希望來爭取他成為一個法治化因為接下來才化法的一個衝擊不知道會不會影響到這個專案那如果我們沒有把法治化的話地方政府可能就不會覺得這件事情他必須要來做這是第一個第二個就是說現在呢樂區並不是一個法治一個 |
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法律名詞啦現在我們在這地方執行的就是說我們抓的處罰只能是依反依據這個廢清法第27條就是它有沒有造成區域的髒亂等等可是事實上呢它如果今天是乾淨餵食你是不是就不能抓可是我們今天講的就是生態樂區禁止餵食嘛所以我還是希望來爭取部長的支持我們是不是可以把它法治化呢 |
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我跟他們討論過就是生態熱區他本身是根據過往的這些抓捕的這些數量調查的數量他不像說自然保護區有一個很明確的範圍所以如果把生態熱區能夠做一些 |
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界定的時候就有機會入法啦但是他們這個部分現在他們還在討論但是我有一個要求就是為了這些流浪犬還有一些這些跟食物特定樂區的所有的農菜計畫因為農菜計畫是我們很紮根的很多社區的計畫我都要求加一個共同項目做動物的保護過去是沒有的 |
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動物的保護 這個可能要界定清楚動物的保護是包括這些流浪犬本身的一些 |
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但是遊蕩犬現在就是在生態樂區跟野生動物有一些相關的衝突所以這個動物保護到底值得是什麼樣子的保護是針對遊蕩犬本身就是有一些在社區裡面嘛過往的社區完全不處理這個我現在是每一個農寨計畫都變成一個共通的項目你要在那裡面去做所謂的 |
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我們講細的就是有蕩犬本身的這些包括你的餵養的部分的一個茶葉不正常餵養的部分你都要去處理還有家犬的這些輸種的部分我們都要去處理這樣的話透過農在社區比較基本面去處理的時候應該可以cover一些主要我們認定的生態樂區 |
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但是我覺得這點還有一個很大的問題耶就是說我們今天生態熱區禁止餵食這件事情禁止餵食現在是沒有辦法沒有法沒有法可以去處罰嘛對不對你剛剛講的就是說我怎麼去控制這個數量可是它餵食還是沒有沒有任何的刑罰這個部分的話如果要把它法制化的困難到底是什麼就剛剛講的是界定嘛對不對還是說這個署長要來說明一下嗎還是你幫他說明 |
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好 跟委員報告 所謂的生態熱區我們就以食物跟草消來講絕大部分應該都是私有土地那甚至可能是農地所以你如果說要去特別去礦縣它會像一個類保護區一樣我想這在食物上是有困難的對因為地主什麼都會有很大的疑慮 |
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對 那我們如何可能還是從剛剛部長所講的包含從社區或是包含從現有的這個遊蕩犬貓的這個管制的這個計畫還有包含加強限制餵食這方面應該會更快速一點 |
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我們剛才委員特別提到就是說禁止餵食其實我們曾經想要把它納入法裡面去但是很多所謂的也是動保團體他們覺得說這些流浪犬就是有些人覺得說你不餵他他就會餓死 |
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所以也強力的反對我們把禁止餵食很強制的拿掉所以這個部分我想還是必須持續去做溝通不過我想透過農在社區去做巡視把這些最主要的餵食點去做有效的宣導那可能比較容易達成那我們會有一些相關的KPI嗎 |
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就是針對於說因為我們希望可以去減少他們餵食我們有一些相關的KPI去制定不然我們怎麼知道我們做的這個計畫到底有沒有成效我想這個部分我應該是只有在上個禮拜上禮拜我 |
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也是委員會動保法執行的時候我回去我討論就是龍寨社區裡面就會列KPI就是每個社區根據他的範圍然後針對那裡面的犬隻他也要協助做調查那針對這個飼主的責任還有一些不當的餵養我們都會有一些調查基礎數據調查以後就會有後面的KPI出來 |
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好那我最後再強調一點就是說因為其實我們一直在強調就是說今天其實大家都知道嘛遊蕩犬的數量非常非常非常之多那我今天是來不及問有關於收容空間的問題但是我覺得還是要強調一點就是我們從源頭管理嘛一直不停的因為農業部其實也一直不停的講源頭管理是主責任但我知道在3月的時候呢農業部已經把相關過去只要你餵養我們可能就會到時候這個出事了嘛對不對這遊蕩犬如果攻擊人造成人 |
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或是農作物的一些損傷的時候法院的判例其實是會去追究這個餵養者的責任嘛對不對我們已經把這些判例整理起來提供給地方政府了但是呢我認為今天我們如果要強調四組責任農業部應該要做出更多的宣傳讓大家知道這件事情而不是只有交給地方政府去做可能很消極的溝通 |
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這個部分農業部可不可以做呢我想可以我們在農糧類的話經常開說明會嘛那動保師人力雖然比較少但是我會要求包括我們的試驗單位也共同來做這樣的宣導這樣的話才有它的效果我想我們是不是因為農業部的小編的社群是不是也可以成為一個溝通的平台 |
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我們應該要用所有的平台來溝通這件事情吧總不能說這個未養者未餵他也不知道他這樣其實在法律上面會負責任但他也很無辜嘛對不對所以我覺得我們應該要做到這件事情所以大概什麼時候我們可以提供給我一個詳細的宣傳計畫我們同樣六月底好不好因為六月底我們有很多包括我們的四組那個寄養的那些契約有沒有都會出來 |
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那宣傳的一個溝通的計畫是不是可以先提供給我呢?大概你們會在哪些地方做這些溝通?5月底之前可以嗎?好不好?那你6月底再上架嗎?應該可以,5月底可以 |
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好謝謝張雅玲委員那下一位是馬文君委員馬文君委員馬文君委員不在葉元之委員葉元之委員葉元之委員不在呂玉玲委員呂玉玲委員呂玉玲委員不在好現在登記發言委員除不在場者外其餘均已發言完畢詢答結束那委員呂玉玲林黛華邱志偉所提書面記錄刊登公報 |
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那其中林黛華委員所提書面質詢有5點請農業部詳實研究後予以合理的答覆那書面 |
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書面質詢及答覆部分請相關單位於一週內以書面答覆並複製本會那我們現在來處理114年度中央政府總預算有關農業部及所屬主管預算凍結等12案我們逐案開始處理好那現在是先處理第一案第一案所列預算解凍案同意動之請問委員有異議 |
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來 再請張經凱委員這筆預算是上次有經過草野協商本來我們是主張要減為10%的那後來討論了就是說給這個部長有一個時間去爭取再往那個本來立法院通過的是公糧收購每公斤調高五塊錢可是現在農業部做的只做了三分之一就是調高的每公斤1.83元那我們那時候就是 |
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沒有沒有刪減預算可是希望爭取到時間讓這個農業部可以來做一些努力啦那我當然知道現在很多人都來講說這個案子不要再不要再一直動著動著可能會影響到農業部因為他是業務費啦可是所以我比較我們也很理性務實的就是看現在應該是已經開始在編列概算的狀況了嘛對不對今年度已經開始要要編列明年度要概算了那至少怎麼樣一個方向部長還有再去努力再去努力好不好 |
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那個賴慧榮 下一位賴慧榮委員部長等一下再統一委部好 謝謝啦 謝謝昭偉 謝謝各位我想農業部的預算相當重要啦那當時很多的凍結也都影響到後續農業的一些運作啦所以我們還是希望不要今天能夠全數的解凍啦那至於剛剛講到 |
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農糧那部分那其實是涉及到相當專業上的整體考量那是不是不要受到這個的影響我們還是希望能夠整體來請各位能夠支持整體主動一起來支持我們的農業部支持我們農業以上說明 |
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好來那請部長來回覆謝謝委員剛才張綺凱委員特別提到就是說雖然說上個會期沒有應該是這個這個會期吧也有提到公糧要提高五塊錢這件事情那經過多次的我們的內部規劃其實我們現在提出來的糧食產業升級的方案裡面 |
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那有三個重點第一個重點就是我們照顧的不只是稻農也照顧了非種稻的這些雜糧的業者那農業部看來是一個整體產業的發展那水稻的部分以這一期我們的一二三方案加糧食產業升級 |
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很重要的就是工糧繳工糧的面積少了將近五千公頃表示說這個方案是接受到農民的一個支持那這個方案我們提了三應該是三年那我們希望說這個方案讓我們做那123方案的時候相對的在三年之後整個的價格可以提高五塊這是第一個我希望我也能夠支持第二個部分就是我們在 |
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計劃跟輔導以單看這是過去農民一直在教的如果光看這兩個這兩項的話都是超過五塊錢的啦 |
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第三個是現在南部在開的水稻它的價格是1050每百台金1050這個是已經達到我們當初的預期的效果當你種稻的面積鎖住了集團栽培變多了腳工糧變少的話那相對的它的市價的價格的支撐度是夠的我們希望說未來的種稻的人是因為你的品質的提升而 |
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得到更高的收益啦這個是我想我們一直在努力的那也希望張委員能夠了解能夠支持讓我們這個計畫中了三年以後我們再看是不是能夠讓這個稻農真正的能夠達到我們期待的一個目標 |
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好 那張委員可以我們肯定部長有在努力啦是啊一直朝向這個方向不過這三年老蔣真的太長了啦就是盡量因為現在已經變概算了嘛對不對你現在你剛剛講的就是說面積也有在減少所以花的錢老蔣就變少了更容易可以做得到了啦那你剛剛提三年要達到五塊錢真的 |
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總委他部長的意思是說減少是因為民糧的價格高那如果公糧價格又上去自然那個民糧的部分就會又衝回到公糧所以就會增加沒有沒有 公糧如果提高的話自然種公糧的就會增加所以先提高了1.83那現在部長說慢慢慢慢那可能要3年才能夠達到我說盡快再 速度要加快一點 |
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13332.343 |
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所以這個部分就是也容許有在這邊說明就是我們現在看起來那個平衡點是存在的以現在來講慢慢的拉然後集團栽培也多特別是公糧很多還是種稻但是他轉集團栽培然後把稻米變成優質米這是我們要的就是希望說越來越多的農民能夠用集團栽培做品牌米 |
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13333.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
13348.193 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
那這個部分用現在的這個每公頃兩塊的公糧的價格的提高的部分讓他達到一個平衡這個平衡如果看了三年因為產業的發展不能只看一年一年或半年半年我們希望說看了特別是二期做會更多 |
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13348.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
13364.056 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
二級座轉座雜糧的高鐵沿線種水稻的轉座雜糧應該會更多所以這個部分也期待讓委員能夠讓我們執行三年我們絕對不會說去辜負稻農一定會隨時去監管他的所得 |
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13365.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
13383.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
其實現在很多的農民正在透過直播在看他們剛剛也提供了很多意見就是之前立法院過的就是一公斤五塊錢然後他們確實他們已經精算過就是現在一公斤就是1.83那他們也肯定部長你現在有一些努力沒有錯不過你現在只有三年慢慢要三年才能夠達到速度要再快一點點好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
13384.353 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
13394.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
我們再來努力看看用什麼方式讓道路所得用其他的方式提高我們9月份就會在審明年度的預算嘛到時候我們會看你的努力成果是怎麼樣好不好 |
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13397.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
13414.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
來請賴隊長委員我想部長很用心在這一塊稻米的政策跟公糧的政策上那我也比較請教建議是不是讓部長他整體的調整一下看怎麼樣那三年的時間但是這次的預算先給你解凍不要讓他影響到整個農業的政策跟整個農民的一些影響好不好拜託各位謝謝好 |
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13416.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
13440.463 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
這個糧食政策的影響的層面對農民收益是很重要那我想部長一定會努力去做到最好這樣的話我們第一案就讓他通過好不好就讓他解凍好剛剛的保證喔 盡量3年以內還要再收短好不好那老蔣我們現在編概算就要去努力了啦老蔣9月份我們會看到你的預算書希望從預算上面有呈現好不好好 謝謝 |
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13442.568 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
13464.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
好那第一案沒有意義就通過那我們現在第二案所列預算解凍案是否同意動之同意好都沒有意義的話通過第三案所列預算解凍案同意動之請問委員有意義沒有沒有意義好那就通過第四案所列預算解凍案同意動之請問委員有意義沒有 |
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13465.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
13487.628 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
沒有異議的話通過第五案所列預算解凍案同意動之請問委員有異議沒有好沒有異議通過第六案所列預算解凍案同意動之請問委員有異議沒有好沒有異議通過第七案所列預算案同意動之請問委員有異議沒有無異議通過第八案所列預算案同意動之請問委員有異議沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
13488.989 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
13514.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
主席我講一下我沒有異議 我當然心難同意而且這個書面包括準備非常詳細但我是認為特別是中南部水保署的預算跟執行非常重要不管是蔡宇宇 邱志偉 邱以銀還有陳廷飛 他們比較少 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
13519.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
13529.766 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
主要還是集中在我跟邱瑩所以這個部分我特別拜託部長跟署長這個非常重要農民的 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
13532.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
13557.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
他們在作業的安全然後他們運輸的安全我覺得一定要給他們最大的保障所以每一個案子我都親自去看過那我希望說我們在未來也針對農水署相關的預算也會全力支持那希望在執行面能夠協助我們中南部的農民給他們更多作業安全跟運輸安全的保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
13559.196 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
13582.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
謝謝委員提醒這個部分我們會盡力的來做啦好這個預算解凍以後我們有比較多的經費可以去處理來陳秦飛委員謝謝主席我想把所有的這個解凍其實這都有關地方的建設然後其實我們之前大家都去看過那麼我們都有一個重點就是說等解凍 |
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13583.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
13600.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
所以我們希望說今天解凍之後速度要快因為這個都攸關地方的一個建設還有我們整個包括水保濃水這個都一定都是我們地方民眾所需要的所以我們希望是速度解凍完之後速度要快 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
13604.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
13620.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
那沒有其他委員要發言的話我們第八案就照剛剛講的無異議通過好不好好第九案第九案跟我們加一直接相關所謂預算解凍案同意動之請問委員有無異議沒有沒有異議好請邱映委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
13622.119 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
13642.183 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
謝謝主席這個案子解凍我沒有異議但是我覺得這個房檢署的牽扯到剛剛本席的那個質詢的部分我是希望請部長能夠再持續為我們這個植物房檢的人員的這個福利再多所以我想我們會持續來努力好那沒有異議的話通過沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
13648.391 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
13672.559 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
來 接下來是第10案 第10案是來 所列預算解凍案同意動之 請問委員有異議沒有沒有 沒有但是來 好 還是請你繼續發言我沒有意見 但是我要補充一下也請那個部長還是持續支持我們的減船的計畫好不好這個對於整個漁業的長遠發展有相當大的幫助的好 會好 謝謝好 那邱昀委員也要發言嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
13673.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
13685.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
沒有齁沒有意義的發言沒有意義的發言沒有意義的發言沒有意義的發言沒有意義的發言沒有意義的發言沒有意義的發言沒有意義的發言沒有意義的發言沒有意義的發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
13696.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
13709.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
這個我沒解我是對11有好那第10案就沒有異議通過第11案所列預算解凍案同意動之請問委員有異議沒有好沒有異議通過好那請邱志偉委員補充發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
13711.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
13732.975 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
農田水利署蔡署長我想她這個陸力重工她這個所有的以前我們是不是公法那時候這個農田水利處各單位各行其事那現在統合成公部門之後那要整合工作非常不容易各縣市各個分署 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
13733.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
13750.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
的狀況都不一樣但我覺得這點非常重要能不能因地制宜然後我想蔡組長可以掌握每一個分屬他們的概況那我所在地的這個高雄那我大概賴玉榮跟邱毅都很了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
13751.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
13774.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
所以這個部分一定是站在農民立場這個慣排的立場我也謝謝這個蔡組長能夠全力協助那如果有一些相關的案子有一些整合性的 包括我們跨區的我跟這個邱瑩瑩跨區的那我跟蕭若龍是沒有跨區的 她是太遠了我跟邱瑩瑩跨區的部分我們一起再來再請署長來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
13777.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
13803.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
我想署長的服務態度應該大家有目共睹然後如果後區委員有什麼需要特別是跨區的一個處理的時候我想署長應該會親自會去來 請邱映委員那個 署長我有一個小提醒 小建議就是說你們的那個灌排如果遇到這個枯水期的時候或者是你們停灌的時候那個灌排的那個排水溝 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
13804.401 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
13825.375 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
是不是也能夠定期去做一些清淤跟清理的這樣的一個工作因為有非常多的農民或者是附近的居民在反映說你們停灌停水的時候其實那個會長蚊子而且會有惡臭那個部分是不是也能夠能夠協助一下一定會去加強特別在斷水期的時候去做清淤 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
13831.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
13849.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
那我們接下來再來處理第11案第11沒有第12案第12案第12案所列預算解凍案同意動之請問委員有異議沒有好沒有異議的話通過那請邱議員沒有好謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
13852.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
13865.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
那我們現在做以下決議農業部及所屬預算凍結案第一案及第十二案均同意動之並領據報告提報院會好那我們接下來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
13868.392 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
13882.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
繼續處理114年度中央政府總預算有關公平教育委員會主管預算凍結等兩案我們逐案處理那第一案所列預算解凍案同意動之請問委員有沒有異議沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
13883.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
13908.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
好沒有異議的話通過那第二案所列預算解凍案同意動之請問委員有異議沒有好沒有異議通過那我們做以下決議公平教育委員會凍結預算案第一案及第二案均同意動之並擬據報告提報院會好我們今日議程所列報告及討論事項均已處理完畢謝謝大家現在散會 |