| IVOD_ID |
166812 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166812 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-05T12:35:24+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-05T12:44:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:35 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8c294bbfbc570b58436f71c82c48902b3011a53eea80ce160f44abb379efbafa58fff7e47292a95a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:35:24 - 12:44:59 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請行政院公共工程委員會主任委員、交通部、國防部、法務部、司法院、勞動部及行政院主計總處就「公告修正《政府採購法》，以求精進政府採購效率、提高重大工程進度品質、堵絕惡質廠商投標可能」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查(一)委員黃捷等17人擬具「政府採購法增訂第十七條之一條文草案」案、(二)委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「政府採購法第八十七條條文修正草案」案、(三)委員徐欣瑩等19人擬具「政府採購法第八十七條、第九十四條及第九十八條條文修正草案」案、(四)委員賴士葆等20人、(五)委員陳培瑜等18人及(六)委員賴瑞隆等18人分別擬具「政府採購法第九十四條條文修正草案」案、(七)委員蔡其昌等21人擬具「政府採購法第九十四條及第一百零一條條文修正草案」案、(八)委員萬美玲等21人、(九)委員游顥等23人、(十)委員羅廷瑋等16人、(十一)委員林倩綺等24人、(十二)台灣民眾黨黨團、(十三)委員馬文君等16人、(十四)委員羅智強等17人、(十五)委員翁曉玲等17人及(十六)委員黃健豪等18人分別擬具「政府採購法第九十八條條文修正草案」案、(十七)委員許智傑等17人擬具「政府採購法第一百零一條、第一百零二條及第一百零三條條文修正草案」案、(十八)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「政府採購法第一百零一條條文修正草案」案、(十九)委員王鴻薇等20人及(二十)委員魯明哲等16人分別擬具「政府採購法第一百零三條條文修正草案」案。
【本次會議僅進行詢答】
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為什麼大同沒有一併停權我問國防部我問國防部有一個特定的綠色媒體啊上面講說呢這個只有計算慈嚴罰啦沒收旅費保證金啦沒有停權是工程會調解未刊登政府採購公報 |
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這件事情我質詢過主委也回答過回去查了以後根本沒調解那根本沒調解問題就來了是這個綠色媒體在說謊還是誰在說謊我問國防部國防部說那個綠色媒體的陳述不是事實消息來源也不是本部結果被人家打臉了 |
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被人家打臉啦 國防部傳給那個媒體的訊息都被人家PO出來啦那現在問題來啦 來請國防部請國防部當初國防部誰決定含附給我的內容竟然敢說謊說這個訊息的來源不是國防部誰做這個決定的 |
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現在是國防部跟特定的媒體幫忙在幫大同公司為事嗎是這樣嗎報委員那個跟委員說明一下這個部分因為本部後來查證可能是時間點的落差那什麼叫時間點的落差胡說八道早就回了什麼叫時間點的落差那跟委員報告那這個部分確實國防部現在是在散佈假訊息嗎是嗎 |
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不是 不是 包委員這個部分就是經本部查證就是確實是由廣部提供的對啊 但沒有進行調解啊所以我才說嘛 國防部第一個 欺騙我在國會說謊第二個 國防部散佈的是百分之百的假訊息根本沒有進行調解所以因為進行調解 所以沒有停權 |
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這不是假訊息嗎這岔岔底底的假訊息啊請問國防部懲處了誰要不要懲處委員這個部分我們會檢討如何檢討 用嘴巴檢討喔是 用嘴巴檢討喔報告委員這個部分這個部分已經在檢討中心已經在檢討 檢討多久啦我質詢這件事情超過一年欸 |
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國防部檢討這件事情檢討到今天還在檢討要檢討到什麼時候檢討到2028年嗎還是要檢討到2032年要檢討多久要檢討多久報委員指下去之後我們兩週內給委員一個書面兩週內給我書面回覆誰要負責誰要對這個假訊息負責 |
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更重要的事情是什麼哪是因為調解所以沒有刊登政府採購公報 實際上面的狀況是什麼能拖就拖 能混就混嘛能拖就拖 能混就混啊大眾電腦的bug可能比較不強馬上就被停權了大同的bug很強欸拖了非常久欸拖到要刊登政府採購公報的時候 哇 |
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財主權時效屆滿財主權時效屆滿這不就是你們國防部放水嗎一直拖一直混混到財主權時效屆滿沒有辦法刊登政府採購公報這個責任有在追究嗎有在追究嗎報告委員回去檢討 |
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回去檢討一樣兩個禮拜之內怎麼檢討的要懲處誰書面回覆可以嗎好來請諸位今天我看到你們政府採購法的修法我看了非常的差異過去已經有用混的混到採儲權時效過了 |
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用中國的假布料來當我們阿兵哥的抗彈背心因為採取權時效過了過到什麼 過到根本沒有刊登政府採購公報依照現行法的規定 採取權的時效多久你們修成幾年所以是怎麼樣放水的還不夠多 |
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放水的還不夠多喔有關那個採取權時效如果是行政法法的部分是三年啦是公法請求權才是五年是 沒錯 所以呢一樣你還是縮短啊我看不啊覺得這些不肖廠商趕快讓他採取權時效過了就不用刊登政府採購公報了大家一起上下交鄉賊一起混是這樣嗎 |
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是嗎我們是要促使機關要進鑿 不論說你知道有喔 來來來 你看一下你隔壁的國防部叫促使機關進鑿喔促使機關要放水的時候比較好放啦不用拖那麼久 不用混那麼久啊混兩年就可以啦混兩年就可以了喔你們提這種修法出來 我老實跟你講啊四個字送給你們 丟人現眼丟人現眼 |
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我在這邊公開講 |
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採取權時效縮短成兩年台灣民眾黨黨團絕對不會接受跟委員再報告一下絕對不會接受目前的這個公法的採取權時效它是採客觀主義 它是以事實發聲有時候機關更快那我們現在講的是說你知悉以後兩年那當然你很難這樣直接去比較說到底哪一個比較長比較短我老實跟你講啦不要內行人講外行話啦什麼叫採取權時效 |
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財主權時效是你法律上面不能夠繼續追溯嘛有因此而阻礙機關要更有效率更早去做嗎 沒有啊沒有啊 你不用延長機關如果真的想辦就趕快辦啊有人禁止你一個月就停權嗎兩個月就停權嗎 沒有啊財主權時效就是開一個後門嘛放水嘛 時間過了就放過去嘛現在讓我詫異的是什麼 |
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差異的是你們修政府採購法是把後門打開一點我再說一次啦這件事情交給社會大眾公平台灣民眾黨立法院黨團的立場很清楚我絕對不會同意你們把它縮短 |