| IVOD_ID |
166806 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166806 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-05T12:13:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-05T12:21:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:26 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8c294bbfbc570b58292eb292e884e7cbeeb09d831e702117c8636dcd6d4218d981c04d3e6e31e3a45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:13:47 - 12:21:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處主計長陳淑姿、財政部部長莊翠雲、國防部副部長、海洋委員會副主任委員、海巡署副署長就「115年度中央政府總預算案至今尚未審查，對國家安全及地方建設的影響」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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麻煩請那個海軍署署長請張副主委 |
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張副主委你好這一次中共軍演他其實也在測試海警船對台灣進行的壓迫所以海巡署扮演非常關鍵的角色12月31號海巡署一堆人跑去吃飯剛剛我聽到副主委跟其他委員打詢感覺還陣陣有詞 |
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幾件事情第一個在軍演的時候我看到一篇新聞報導是一個跑民進黨的記者寫的他說國安官員說早在中共軍演的上個星期就已經掌握了中共有可能會在29號30那幾天軍演為什麼呢因為有看到共軍特定的船艦海警船穿梭宮古海峽南下進到台灣的東部沿海所以就已經掌握了 |
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代表說29號的上個星期就是12月22號到26號嘛那個時候就已經知道了中共可能會軍演這是郭安仁士說的我請問一下副主委你們有得到消息嗎中共可能會在29號這個時候軍演嗎 |
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跟委員報告那所有的狀況還沒狀況我們都是有掌握但是29號今天大家不是說你們能不能夠去吃飯是為什麼一定要在軍演的那個時候去吃飯啊是那家公司要倒了嗎還是那天有優惠還是怎麼樣 晚幾天吃會怎麼樣非要在軍演的當日去吃 |
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所以你們老早就知道那個時候要軍演 你們還跑去吃到底是什麼決定 我看到海巡署還對媒體講說這個牽涉到餐飲業要事前準備哇賽 海巡署這麼貼心喔這麼站在餐飲業的角度喔 怕他們準備的食材浪費所以非要在軍演的時候去吃飯這是你們對媒體回答的態度耶人家入軍都可以取消餐會 為什麼你們不可以 |
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跟委員報告那我們要確定要舉辦這個會議的根據是我們根據前一天所有的海域狀況的這個評估沒有你們事實上我也有看到管碧玲主委回答啦她說呢因為中共是宣布29號到30號軍演而已嘛你們是31號吃嘛哇賽這麼相信中共喔這麼相信她喔事實上是31號才結束啊 |
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多了一天啊所以你們喊徐完全不當一回事啊然後管主委的說法跟她的老公她老公前兩天幫她出來講話說難道軍演不結束沒有宣布我們都不要吃飯了嗎管主委講的是說軍演兩天所以隔天的可以吃她老公是說那如果沒有宣布結束都不要吃了嗎我覺得 |
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吃飯是一回事啦吃飯當然有很多檢討的地方在這個時間點吃飯你們事後對媒體回答那種無所謂的態度會讓人家看不下去跟委員報告我們沒有所謂的無所謂的你們的回答就是連牽涉到餐飲業要事前準備食材的你都講出來了哇 |
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那我想請教一下你們總共吃了七萬多塊嘛剛剛聽其他委員問是吃了七萬多塊嘛是那七萬多塊都吃了什麼就一般餐廳的一般餐廳的什麼七萬總共五桌 它是桌餐總共多少人去吃是海巡署的四級機關人數多少 |
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有五桌五桌人數總共多少嘛一桌是五個人十個人大概是五十個因為還有國海運跟海保署所以總共多少人嘛大概有四十幾位左右四十幾位左右四十幾位是四十位還是四十九位這個議題大家都在討論你們都沒有資料包委很抱歉因為沒有時間沒有準備到 |
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所以是四十幾位四十幾位然後七萬多塊是就一般的桌菜是我覺得這個問題其實凸顯了海巡好像對這個軍演是非常不重視啦包括事後的回答都是一樣啦真的如果說抗中保台路線是民進黨主打的話海巡這樣的態度會讓國人非常的憂心啊這我非常擔心那我請那個國防部好不好 |
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請徐副部長因為時間關係我就直接講了因為在年初的時候你們有發布一個紓困的貸款當時是說因為怕軍中士兵他們欠錢然後被人家用利誘方式變成共諜所以推出這個措施就希望解決共諜的問題或者是不要讓他們陷入詐騙集團的陷阱對吧 |
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但現在這兩天推出之後 惡評如潮啦我很快講一下 再30秒就好很多人在反映啦 他說第一個你還要找保人嘛你保人還要找軍中同階以上的或者是公教人員不然的話就是要裁立證明他們講說這很難找保人誰要幫忙保這個 |
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然後第二個就是如果是信用評分要在601分以下的申請貸款還要再打折我只是點出這個問題你們這個制度很可能會理想跟現實會產生很大的落差因為很多士兵你在網路上面講了如果按照你們這個條件去銀行貸就好了也不需要跟軍中申請紓困達不到你想要解決的問題 |
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簡短回答報委員我是主席局局長我回應一下剛剛委員針對這個議題這個急難貸款沒錯我們設計的目標就是能夠幫助官兵解決一些急難的狀況剛所提到的保人這些問題我可能跟委員報告因為這個錢是公款公款我除了要給 |
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官兵能夠解決他的問題同時我要確保公款的安全所以我必須在一定的額度以上的時候我要設計一個保人的制度確保我的款項帶出去的時候還是可以收回來但是我現在方便官兵我們設計了十萬塊以下他可以免保人的方式 |
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對我知道我知道啦就是只是提醒一下你這個制度有可能理想跟現實有很大的落差啦當然我知道你是要保護公款這個我們不會希望公款拿不回來只是說你的目的如果是想要解決剛剛講的那些問題的話這個制度太嚴格可能做不達不到目標謝謝謝謝葉委員今日登記發言委員均與詢答完畢本次會議做如下決定一 |