| IVOD_ID |
166800 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166800 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-05T11:22:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-05T11:31:50+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8c294bbfbc570b58ead08e5e2f7569793011a53eea80ce164a653833dddfd2f18c2082ecc2dcd8fa5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳雪生 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:22:36 - 11:31:50 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請行政院公共工程委員會主任委員、交通部、國防部、法務部、司法院、勞動部及行政院主計總處就「公告修正《政府採購法》，以求精進政府採購效率、提高重大工程進度品質、堵絕惡質廠商投標可能」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查(一)委員黃捷等17人擬具「政府採購法增訂第十七條之一條文草案」案、(二)委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「政府採購法第八十七條條文修正草案」案、(三)委員徐欣瑩等19人擬具「政府採購法第八十七條、第九十四條及第九十八條條文修正草案」案、(四)委員賴士葆等20人、(五)委員陳培瑜等18人及(六)委員賴瑞隆等18人分別擬具「政府採購法第九十四條條文修正草案」案、(七)委員蔡其昌等21人擬具「政府採購法第九十四條及第一百零一條條文修正草案」案、(八)委員萬美玲等21人、(九)委員游顥等23人、(十)委員羅廷瑋等16人、(十一)委員林倩綺等24人、(十二)台灣民眾黨黨團、(十三)委員馬文君等16人、(十四)委員羅智強等17人、(十五)委員翁曉玲等17人及(十六)委員黃健豪等18人分別擬具「政府採購法第九十八條條文修正草案」案、(十七)委員許智傑等17人擬具「政府採購法第一百零一條、第一百零二條及第一百零三條條文修正草案」案、(十八)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「政府採購法第一百零一條條文修正草案」案、(十九)委員王鴻薇等20人及(二十)委員魯明哲等16人分別擬具「政府採購法第一百零三條條文修正草案」案。
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好 謝謝主席是不是請主委陳主委請委員長公務員很難為啊尤其碰到這個採購法動不動不是衛照文書就是圖利他人馬祖那個地區啊你找的公務員沒多少人嘛採購法的問題你去叫公務局局長啊 |
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是不是能夠攏會貫通我覺得都有問題那何況相公所啦底下的這些基層的人員所以馬祖這個地方很傷腦筋公務員現在不敢審查審查如果有疏漏主官如果去批批的不對像柯文哲這樣 柯市長這樣批的不對問題就來了 |
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當然它那個是大的 那麼下面是小的那那個地方缺工缺料主委你有沒有聽說過一個工程標18次標不出去的 有沒有聽說過18次的確是 流標18次的確是很多的這一種事情發生在馬祖還有工程沒有人來標 你有沒有聽說過沒有人來標啊 為什麼 |
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馬祖這邊交通不便所以他的材料缺工材料要比較單價比較高他的材料商船把材料運到大的島南甘島北甘島沒有問題連北甘都有問題運到舉光島去問題來了舉光島的材料可能一個小工程100多萬他沒有水泥沒有石頭那你要商船把石頭材料運過去的話對不起 |
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我船運的油料費30萬你要算給我所以這個成本要怎麼算所以比較像這一類的地區或者是山上我們都可以允許採購機關寬列預算比較高的單價來做設計最近風景管理處就標了一個就設計了一個案子他用台灣的造價再高一點點沒有人標一次兩次三次 |
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誰要去飆 誰飆誰死啊 誰倒楣何況像北竿你看 我今天跟你列舉北竿我們四大工程 延旦工程縣長也很倒楣 鄉長也很倒楣鄉親會怪啊說你縣長施政怎麼搞的工程一直延旦一直延旦一直延旦前面碰到疫情的問題後面碰到沙士的問題然後再碰到缺工的問題還有海象 |
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像我們的大秋橋大秋橋難度非常的高比馬祖大橋的難度我聽他們講水流跟湧非常的急一根柱子打下去以後一個浪來又把它吹倒了甚至那個施工船整個船被打翻了這個成本要去哪裡算呢問題來了像中山國中的工程標了18次標不出去現在標出去了縣長拜託他來標 |
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飆了以後又無法施工那你說我們要罰他20%咧還是怎麼樣呢所以現在叫合意解約可能朝這個方向啦可能啦 我不能講確定啦那這個責任又怪到縣政府啦你這縣長怎麼幹的所以運氣好運氣不好差很多啊你碰到那種兵力夠的施工人員夠的很快一下把他坐起來 |
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234.96 |
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263.887 |
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你看何況還有經費的問題一般補助館又補助一半剩下一半行政院再給他扣問題就來了你大的縣市的話他的財政可以稍微挪用彌補小的縣市沒辦法一個蘿蔔一個坑多少錢就多少錢所以主委這方面問題請你做個技術指導好不好那地檢署不管你啊你動不動不是這個圖利就那個衛照文書 |
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265.049 |
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292.354 |
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一個工程十幾萬 誰要做啊好 找了一個人來 拜託你做那估價單要三家 要找他太太填一張找他弟弟填一張 填了有三張送去 十幾萬嘿 人與人之間啦 不舒服檢舉 未到文書一次兩次三次 欸這個問題常見的欸我覺得這個應該出在制度的問題啦齁 |
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293.888 |
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321.716 |
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主委你在修法的時候能夠幫我們想一想好不好有 所以這個就是這次修法的重點就是過去三家才能開標的規定會取消離島地區的這些採購法的制度你可能要另外想個辦法怎麼樣能夠讓他放寬怎麼樣能夠做不要動不動就圖利他人什麼的公務員不敢看公文 不敢批沒有人敢批公文 |
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323.069 |
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350.363 |
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你就跟李前總那種批個吸他敢批如你啊 或是渴啊他不敢批啊是不是 不曉得被誰害啊現場沒有那個意圖 但是也會造成他有問題還有就是這個缺工缺工的問題很嚴重缺工啊移工能不能在馬祖地區當然我不只講馬祖金門 澎湖能夠適度的做一些開放這樣有辦法嗎 |
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351.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
379.344 |
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公共工程的個案如果缺工那麼工程會可以協助專案向勞動部來協助申請你專案我這個專案有必要這個專案結束以後下一個專案又來了那每個都要專案來報他是常態他是常規就是現在在發生的事情主委你這回去研究一下好不好另外百分之二十為上限是不是這樣 |
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381.015 |
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404.447 |
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他延宕的話20%為上限就是罰款我們罰了他20%這一家罰完以後倒閉了那你要重新招標對不對那延宕的更厲害了這一家已經很勉強的我們拜託他所以變成怎麼勒我們還每天去廟裡燒香拜託他不要罰20% |
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407.145 |
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436.114 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
他延宕的話對我們會造成更深遠的影響變成我們要去廟裡去拜託你在台灣管理死活你依法依規來你超過規定你超過多少我就罰你百分之二十那百分之二十我不是要他百分之二十的錢百分之二十錢你把他罰完以後問題更多第二家來再罰百分之二十你說的工程要搞到什麼時候合年合月合日 |
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437.253 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
462.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
主委這是我們在馬祖發生的事情對就是料材料運送成本高嘛那也沒有工所以他在設計的時候本身單價就要設計高一點符合現況那麼這樣才能夠找得到工人廠商物料呢才能夠在他合理的歷任之下完成這個工程這個跟山上 |
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463.553 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
490.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
的工程一樣本身就是很困難嘛所以必須可以提高的在設計階段 問題是各部會補助我們的一些東西你增加三分之一可以啊你增加一倍他會給你嗎就像我們的長照可能一個床位在台北只要五萬塊我們以下 五十萬我們去一個床位要一百萬餵婆婆就不會同意我們啊 |
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491.724 |
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518.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
所以你在這裡面可能要有一個明確的稍微指導一下好 這個我們等修法過了之後那必要的相關的規定來修正或指引或者是函給各機關針對像這一類偏遠地區的補助款你應該就他的困難點補助款的部分應該要著以管理主委 這個看起來我今天的質詢是個小事真的是很大的事情 |
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519.813 |
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548.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
一件一件的公務員怕批公文公務員怕審查然後又缺工缺料缺經費問題很多啊所以現在公僕難為真的公僕難為我想行政院工程會你們在這個採購法修正的時候指導一下好不好那有機會也派一些人員到馬祖去辦一些相關採購法部分的說明 |
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549.232 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
553.629 |
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好不好 能夠做一個訓練這個可以好不好 謝謝主委 謝謝主席 |