| IVOD_ID |
166797 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166797 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-05T11:29:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-05T11:41:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8c294bbfbc570b585428aa0f7c208a0beeb09d831e7021174a653833dddfd2f127a1751fd121cdf95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃珊珊 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:29:42 - 11:41:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處主計長陳淑姿、財政部部長莊翠雲、國防部副部長、海洋委員會副主任委員、海巡署副署長就「115年度中央政府總預算案至今尚未審查，對國家安全及地方建設的影響」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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次長好 請阮次長 |
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市長早我想我們還是很關心有關財政部從之前提出的所謂的新型案貸款我上一次質詢的時候要求你們去清查所謂的高所得也就是每年將近兩百萬或到三四百萬以上的然後另外就是高年齡五十歲以上的貸款你們給我的報告是說你們清查完畢了 |
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50歲以上的只有7000多戶佔5%然後高所得呢超過200萬年所得的有1萬多戶比例佔8.27%但事實上我們總金額已經達到14萬多件這樣的比例雖然算低但是次長以所謂的高所得來得到新青安貸款的利息補貼你們覺得合理嗎 |
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跟委員報告這一部分我們現在也在積極跟相關的部會積極的檢討因為我們是要給年輕人他的所得比較弱勢的得到所謂政府的補貼看起來是目前是有雖然比例不高但是他還是存在是 了解如果接下去的新西安貸款在七月就要到期了請問財政部現在的立場是什麼 |
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目前我們現在在徵詢各相關單位的意見所以還會在新清安2.0嗎這個因為他可能不叫新清安2.0但是他會有一個新的政策是嗎這個這一部分我跟委員報告因為左院長已經有講說不會照舊的一直對舊的有缺失就要改善未來要怎麼用什麼方式來呈現我們正在研議因為這兩年在新清安貸款裡面到 |
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去年的年底竟然還是我們要求你們去清查之後發現有八千多件的違規案也就是他不是自己買自己租而是當人頭甚至還租給別人還去拿了利息補貼真的很離譜啊總共有八千多件八千多件比例來講也是不可小覷金額高達一億八千萬現在還在持續的清查嗎 |
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對 我們現在進入第五波的清查沒錯 公營的行庫租出以前借了錢出去就不管了然後也不理了 只要收利息就好了現在的問題就是貸後的管理可能比借貸還要重要貸後的管理是要看它執行的狀況不能讓我們的年輕人淪為人頭尤其是很多人他是用新清安去套政府的利益 |
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了解我希望可以繼續的清查然後每一個月可能都要給我們立委做一個回報這是第一點所以新清案的2.0在7月以後有可能會進行但是我們的中央銀行到現在為止還是不動產的第七波選擇性信用管制次長這兩個政策我從上任到現在就在講說這是相當矛盾的 |
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一個是希望大家都去買房子一個是希望大家都不要買房子那是怎樣的我完全了解委員的意思所以我們這一次也召集相關的會議包括央行 包括金管會 包括內政部一起來聽取他們的意見政府不要自己打自己左手打右手800萬的房子因為新青安炒到1000萬那現在又 |
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又所謂的第七波選擇性信用管制到現在把房市整個停在這邊我沒有說對或不對但是政府的政策顯然是自相矛盾如果我們又要鼓勵年輕人買房子又要選擇性信用管制讓人家在新青山那邊排隊該貸款的人貸不到不該貸款剛剛講的一大堆高所得的人貸得到這才是奇怪的這是一個很矛盾的現象而且跟央行的政策 |
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也不一致啊是所以我們希望新青安未來新青安能夠真正幫到他應該健全房市是他應該讓房市恢復正常讓年輕人買得起房子而不是這邊在炒作房價那邊在做信用管制最後該需要的拿不到最後變成剛剛講的高年齡的高所得的他反而他本身就是一個所謂的經濟優勢的人弱勢的人得不到幫助政府的政策自相矛盾 |
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這部分我們會參考委員的意見我們納入考量是 我覺得這個矛盾的政策不應該再發生就算你要再補助年輕人購屋那用另外一套方法而不是用這種方式去做利息補貼然後又在這邊所謂的打壓房價造成年輕人根本就買不到房子是 我們這一部分一定會就相關的一些條件會做通盤的檢討沒錯 這邊炒高了房價誰買得到 買得到才有鬼 |
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我在最近發現連我們大台北地區當然是黃金地段可是在新北市我們看到一個21坪的房子室內只有13坪一坪賣99萬2000多萬只能住到13坪這是一個政府不應該讓它發生的事情好嗎尤其我們有這麼多的偵測工具 |
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我們要讓年輕人住到十三坪的房子還要花兩千多萬去買這實在不太應該啦好嗎好 謝謝委員請就好請 那是現在我請一下主計長請陳主計長 |
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委員好主席長我想總預算到現在為止沒有附委其實有很重要的一個原因就是所謂警消的退伏還有軍人的加薪對吧你們到現在還是不願意編列這部分的預算嗎 |
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因為它實在影響很大影響很大所以你沒錢所以你不編所以你不編你都知道現在走運站卡就卡在這兩條它涉及到的一個就是整個公教人員性質結構的一個不均衡還有包括身分之間的一個不平衡因為嘉興不是這樣的家主席長我跟你說現在地方政府預算都已經編完了對不對他們可能都審完了是嗎 |
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大部分 財化法的預算當時你也是依法編列然後他們也都依法編進去他們的預算裡的 對嗎對不對 有沒有 編完了你的預算也編了 他們的預算也編了他們的都通過了 然後我們這邊還不確定然後因為這樣子卡折你們不附屬 也不進行相關的程序主席長 這就是一個超級大僵局啊 |
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重點是剛剛講的警消的加薪還有所謂的軍人加薪這部分其實爭議不會只有在總預算而是整個國家體制行政院的態度是什麼今天剛剛這個題目今天的主題是如果這個總預算沒過的話地方政府會碰到什麼困難現在他們預算已經編完了我想問你他們要怎麼辦 |
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這個部分如果說將來將來我們提起事先所以他們不知道怎麼辦預算過了但不知道怎麼執行我們提起事先還是所有事情都要等憲法法庭我們就辦理做調整所以以後的主計處也不用做事就是等憲法法庭就對了是嗎 |
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不是沒有做事而是說我們都把各項的一個都精算好然後就是等著一個所以到今天現在這個moment你還是不知道怎麼解決是不是地方政府也不知道怎麼解決而是說這個部分必須要等到才是的一個所以主席長你今天在這邊回答我就是說現在無解然後見完法庭檢視之前也無解是嗎 |
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不是 我是覺得 我是建議就是也懇請懇請大院能夠把我們的預算然後新型的計劃本來就可以送相關的申請案到立法院來如果真的有急迫性但是它也是到年底之後的事現在根本不會影響到相關的作業我想請問現在的狀況地方政府預算編列完畢他們如何執行還是全部都要從你的角度全部都要追加減 |
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不是 以我们来讲对于如果这个军人的加薪的这个部分呢视线的结果我们依照视线的结果来调整好 时间在你我请国防部的次长请徐副部长 |
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副部長 我想剛剛聽到我們立法院幫軍人加薪所以 主計處有意見所以到現在沒有 已經停擺那這幾天我們看到委內瑞拉的局勢美國去收買了總統委內瑞拉總統身邊的人所以他們採取了斬首行動那我們軍方不用被收買我們的軍方我們的馬祖防衛指揮部直接被炸團侵入啊部長 |
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副部長我們現在的軍方裡面詐團每個月三千到五千塊代價就可以買到官兵的人頭賬戶涉案的超過六十個人遭人頭賬戶的行為超過一年以上我們的部隊已經被詐團侵入了嗎 |
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報告委員 這個我們已經去查處了一年以上欸 六十多個人欸 這只有馬祖嗎做了懲處 懲處了多少人 汰除了多少人報告這個具體的數字 我們還在處理當中 但是調查完畢了嗎 |
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不知道還在進行今天我們要討論的就是如果我們的國軍不要說變成共諜啦三千塊五千塊人家花五千萬美金去買通啊我們這邊花三千塊五千塊就可以買到我們的國軍的官兵這實在是一件很可怕的事第二個這些相關的人他都說他在營內營外都有借貸行為在軍隊裡面我們對於官兵個人的 |
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622.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
630.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
行為甚至他的生活狀況有所了解然後他的接待行為在軍營裡面長官都清楚嗎這些事情我們有在管理嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
631.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
657.951 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
有 我們會有一些相關的行為在不侵犯到個人隱私的情況底下我們會跟官兵做相關的所以我剛剛講的我們立法院為什麼要幫軍人加薪因為有很多人他的薪資他的確是在相對現在物價高漲的情況下我們希望軍人受到一定的保障所以軍人加薪我希望國防部的立場是去爭取而不是抵抗 好嗎 |
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658.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
682.794 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
包委員我們關於官兵的我們也新辦了急難貸款這個新的方式所以要了解他們的生活狀況要了解他們的可能碰到的困難跟需求最重要的是不要讓他被外面的人侵入而我們自己不自知一年多六十個人三千塊五千塊就賣掉自己的帳戶他會不會因為這樣子而賣掉我們的國家安全 |
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684.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
690.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
不是不可能啦副部長我想這個事情可能會比你做其他的事情更重要好嗎我們會嚴肅查處好謝謝謝謝主席謝謝黃委員接下來我們請郭育晴委員 |