| IVOD_ID |
166793 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166793 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-05T11:17:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-05T11:29:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:09 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8c294bbfbc570b585e9e9b6845eee094eeb09d831e7021174a653833dddfd2f161f4198ff1cb05dc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王世堅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:17:28 - 11:29:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處主計長陳淑姿、財政部部長莊翠雲、國防部副部長、海洋委員會副主任委員、海巡署副署長就「115年度中央政府總預算案至今尚未審查，對國家安全及地方建設的影響」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 我請財政部次長好 蘭次長副稅署副稅署副署署長那個 次長副稅署 |
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我們台灣的生育率我相信你們很清楚那麼這一次去年啦在美國跟國際社會辦了一個大型的調查227個國家跟地區當中我們台灣是最低的生育率0.87啦也就是平均每位女性生0.87位小朋友那這當然比 |
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相對也低的日本新加坡新加坡還有0.97日本大概1.3其他國家都1.5以上啦我們大概大概是全世界平均各國的一半所以少子化 |
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已經是我們台灣的國安問題啦所以我希望在這一個部分財政部 負稅署你們應該與時俱進就是針對我們如何幫助婦女同胞們他們來增加生育這一個部分該做的措施我們應該給予適當的優惠比方說我現在舉例啦 |
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婦女同胞生小孩以後去坐月子中心那之前我就跟財政部跟你們跟負稅署要求說坐月子那麼這一個部分的支出應該可以免稅結果你們的答覆竟然是說坐月子是休養不是醫療所以你們拒絕天啊 |
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國安問題是要我們全體各部會全面的來面對你不能把它定義為說做月子只是調養 休養那不是醫療你們就不給不給減稅 不給免稅 |
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這是很可惡的事情婦女同胞生育以後坐月子不但調養好自己的身體以後工作才能重新回到職場 |
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而且調養好身體也可才可能再生第二胎第三胎可能再計畫再去生嘛不是這樣嗎所以這是此時此刻是我們國家面對最嚴重的少子化的國安問題的時候我希望在這一個部分你算一算嘛我也跟負稅署想啊那你要不要你們去算 |
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說如果照這個生育率那我們每一位生育的婦女都我們幫她做月子部分不是幫她出錢喔只是說這部分錢可以抵稅減稅免稅那你去算一算這樣我們國家必須負擔多少可不可以跟委員報告剛才委員提的的確是我們的一個很重要的面臨了一個很重要的問題 |
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所以我們要提高生育率其實真的不是靠財政部這是跨部會統籌來辦理財政部這部分其實也是做了一些努力比如說我們提供幼兒的扣除額我們已經拉到非常高 照我知道 |
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你們先前你們在人工生育的部分在不孕症的部分人家那麼多我還舉過例子啊高等法院你問女法官她就是這一個部分去花費的部分 |
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他來報所得稅扣抵的時候你們竟然一毛不拔一塊錢也不給他抵後來我們那一部分已經放寬相關的規定了你們那個規定規定得莫名其妙當時你們的意思是說他去的那家診所他報稅不完整莫名其妙 |
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報稅哪一家醫院診所報稅是不是齊備那是財政部是負稅署你們另外再去立案再去查的事情怎麼會怪罪到我們一般民眾要來要求抵稅的時候你拿的必須他有完整的 |
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完碎紀錄的哪有這種事情所以跟委員報告我想委員也很清楚後來我們也放寬解釋對你們有放寬我是要跟財政部提醒不要再用那種奇奇怪怪的理由好不好上次那個理由就是很奇怪這一次的理由也是很莫名其妙你把它定義成說 |
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坐月子 說這個是調養 無視醫療我坦白講 這我完全不能接受絕大多數的民眾也不能接受你這點回去研究啦 好不好那另外喔 針對這個在查核齁 這個你們有提了 稀產地 |
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預防稀產地那部分你們有四大經濟措施啦你們也成立了強化違規轉運查核小組等等等等齁那我覺得為什麼查核率那麼多我覺得有一樣因為你這四項方案裡面就是要第四項就是說全民協力鼓勵大家去檢舉但是檢舉啊到現在我看你去年一整年的資料檢舉零欸 為什麼 |
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因為我不知道你有沒有看過你這個辦法裡面檢舉人啊除了他列舉他自己的資料我是誰我要檢舉我光明磊落這個沒有話講但是你們竟然要他檢舉就被舉發人的資料 |
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被舉發人這個公司你要鉅細明疑啦就是不但他們要身份證 字號 護照號碼公司名稱 公司的統一編號公司的地址天啊 |
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檢舉人他又不是狗仔隊又不是情報員他哪有辦法知道這麼多他只要具體的告訴你哪家公司或者哪個個人不是這樣嗎這些公司這些被檢舉的人你們要查的時候你們自然而然的有辦法有他的其他的資料不是嗎 |
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跟委員報告這個就是關於檢舉的這一部分那目前可以領取這個檢舉獎金的就只有自由貿易港區的這一部分可以來領取但是目前我們查獲的這些案子我們移到貿易署去裁罰的這些268案裡面 |
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都不是來自自由貿易港區啦都是來自課稅區跟這個保稅區那課稅區跟保稅區目前的貿易署呢目前沒有提供相關的檢舉獎金我就是跟你講為什麼檢舉案是零你把被檢舉你說檢舉人要講自己的身份這個應當 他要具名嘛他要勇敢承擔啊不是但是被檢舉者啦 |
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他只要檢舉人能講出哪個公司哪個個人哪個集團其他被檢舉人的資料你們再去查啦 是不是這樣 |
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簡化啦 你懂嗎只要要求檢舉人你不能隨隨便便檢舉你不能匿名檢舉因為這是多重大的檢舉啊不是嗎我原來的意思我們懂 我們了解好了 那另外我跟你講齁這個我們人均GDP齁 |
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比方說去年我們說我們有7.37的經濟成長率那人均GDP也因為這樣子調高人均GDP變成我們來到4萬美元但是我們全民的感受就是說看得到 知不到不是這樣嗎就是說我們的經濟成長率有7.37那麼高但是我們全體人民並沒有說因為這樣就有感 |
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然後GDP來到四萬美元看得到吃不到所以我是認為這些亮眼的GDPP背後有不可以忽視的產業的變化我們要注意那為什麼要你財政部注意 |
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除了政策上以外因為你管這些公營行庫也就是說你如果看這些表格就是說ICT產業那麼我們以去年我們就以去年三個月來講它的成長是非常好我們台灣最驕傲的電子零組件直通產品這些我們的成長率大概都有兩位數這非常好但是相對的我們產產業 |
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傳統產業從基本金屬 機械等等到化學品 橡膠品 礦產品等等還有這個食品類大概都下滑大概是下滑了兩位數字所以我意思就是說我們 |
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國家我們政府要注意這些資源不要讓他偏掉那麼財政部你們要交代複稅署交代他們說第一點不要對產產業過度的苛責動不動 |
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表現很老的公司你沒事也是去把他查查稅這個部分要減少不要去騷擾人家第二點銀行的貸款的部分我們是不是不能只重在資通產業在高科技業 |
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因為他們已經很成熟很進步啦他們的資金不會太大的問題但是產產業尤其在這一次美國關稅這種打擊之下他們現在遇到很多困難那麼公營行庫民營的我們沒辦法只能用勸說但是公營行庫這八大公營行庫部長 |
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那個次長這些八大供應銀行部董事長總經理都是你們派的他們都是關股所以你交代他們應該對產產業在這個資金的融通方面給予優惠給予補助至少不要雨天收傘 |
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跟委員報告這一部分我們很早就已經通令下去特別是對那些比較受到台美關稅衝擊的這些傳統產業絕對不要雨天收傘這個我們已經強調很多次而且他們也是朝這個方向來走我們希望就是說在最困難的時候能夠協助這些傳產能夠走過這個最困難的時刻 |
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好很好你們有這麼做就好那坐月子中心我希望你另外我們再來研議看看會後你另外給我一些答覆好不好是是是謝謝委員好謝謝謝謝王委員接下來我們請黃珊珊委員 |