| IVOD_ID |
166791 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166791 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-05T11:06:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-05T11:17:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:23 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8c294bbfbc570b585c1aa6d1d608fb52eeb09d831e7021174a653833dddfd2f19f750fbe189a9eba5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:06:00 - 11:17:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處主計長陳淑姿、財政部部長莊翠雲、國防部副部長、海洋委員會副主任委員、海巡署副署長就「115年度中央政府總預算案至今尚未審查，對國家安全及地方建設的影響」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 我先請阮次長好 阮次長次長好 等一下談總預算比較沉重一點先講一點好消息好了這個股市上萬點 這是第一次吧第一次 股市上三萬點那有沒有預期說這個上三萬點會來得這麼早 |
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會怎麼樣來得這麼快那麼早還是本來就有預期了因為市場真的是很難預估不過最近因為我們這個像比如說像AI或者是說高速運算等等這些這個新興的產業的發展真的非常的快速那當然也反映到這個股價上面 |
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所以我們的股市現在整個市值都超過100兆以上所以居全世界第八位所以過去大概很難預料但是現在看起來是今天已經正式超過3萬點以前大家覺得說3萬點好像不太可能發生但是今天就發生了所以市長認為這一個上3萬點的原因是在哪裡 |
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最主要我覺得還是我們幾個關鍵產業的發揮重大的一個作用我們都是AI 高科技我看今天能夠上三萬點應該也是台積電的功勞台積電它今天就漲了95塊它只要是漲一塊它就帶動八點所以它今天大概帶動了七八百點了吧它就貢獻了七八百點 |
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對啊那這個大家也在關心就是說這個會不會成為這個今年的股市又是成為這個台積電一個人的武林因為大家有去看過就是說去年雖然我們股市有在漲每個股民平均賺也是大概平均大概賺140萬左右但是我們有將近百分之四十幾家的這個所有上市公司是在這個年限以下的 |
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超过一半是在年限以下的所以这其实市长认为说这样子的发展健不健康当然我们是希望说产业的发展能够更平衡目前是有一点两极化的味道就是比较高科技的跟AI有关的跟高顺运算跟伺服器有关这样子的发展对台湾的经济来讲 |
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這樣會好嗎因為反映在股市上面因為其實你看今天雖然是漲到3萬點但是下跌的比上漲的加速還多所以這一部分可能就是希望我們在跨部會來努力能夠協助那些比較相對比較傳產的這些產業能夠持續來升級 |
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對啊 不要就是說今年還是變成是台積電一個人的武林就是只有它獨領風騷這樣其實長期以來對於台灣的產業發展並不好就像次長所講的會呈現兩極化的發展所以這個可能要稍微注意一下是 我們有在注意好 謝謝次長接下來我們請這個國防部徐副部長好 國防部徐副部長 |
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副部長當然這兩天最大的國際新聞就是委內瑞拉的總統被美軍抓走了然後外界就說這個是一個美軍對於委內瑞拉的一個斬首的行動當然有些人在台灣就會講說那中共是不是也有類似的這個斬首的行動其實他們的這個斬首行動是從 |
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2015年 據手邊有的資料2015年其實他們就是在內蒙古的朱日和他們一個基地其實就開始了那2015年 這還不是民進黨執政這是國民黨執政時期所以從2015年其實 |
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這個在中國來講他們就在他們的內蒙古自治區朱日和他們就有一個模擬總統府的一個基地那當然現在這個基地這個越做就是越像那去年十月日本的智庫國際研它也有提到一個報告 |
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中国人民解放军正在强化对台湾的这个斩首作战的演练他除了有总统府还有模拟我们的司法院模拟外交部甚至连这一个他们所谓的这个地下通道到底有没有其实我也不确定模拟一个从司法院到总统府的一个280公尺的一个地下通道那请问一下你们对于这一个中国解放军的这一个斩首作战的类似的这种计划有没有掌握 |
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包括我們國軍有突發狀況處置規定對於各種突發狀況我們有想定然後根據想定進行相關的訓練所以也包含解放軍有可能會進行整首作戰是的 包括委員相關的敵情我們都有納入年度的訓練計畫裡面 |
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那所以說對於這一個中共這一個他們的一個在諸日和的基地的這一個部署的情況你們也都有掌握嗎包委員是的有關共軍所有的這個比較大型的地面的訓練中心那我們情勢是都有做掌握好那我再請教一下副部長今天的這一個 |
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報告當然最主要就是說所有的我們關於這個新興的計劃新增計劃我們的預算都會受到影響那我看到這個國防部的報告裡面那特別有提到就是說我們有一個F16型的這個作戰資源夾艙還有這個武器彈藥的這個籌購案這個是整個計劃會受到影響嗎就是它有新增額度的部分會受到影響那新增額度大概會多少會受到影響 |
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你們這邊寫200億是包含精準火力打擊系統還有魚叉飛彈還有F16型的甲艙還有彈藥籌購還有M2000G10附件的存量需求這是你們的報告 |
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因為這次的這個中國的軍演裡面那至少我們看到說我們這一個F-6型的這個甲艙它有競爭鎖定嘛 對不對那接下來如果這個預算沒有通過的話那這個方面是不是會受到影響 |
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是 包委員我是建軍處處長這方面確實是會受到影響這方面美軍剛跟合約商訂約如果今年沒有預算沒有過的話將影響到後續的備料跟產制作業那整個案子大概是30億元就是說我們已經決定要跟美方買了 |
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但是因為總運算沒有通過所以變成說我們這30億沒有錢去付 去付美方所以就拿不到這些是算是零件嗎 還是怎麼樣會影響到組件的交運那接下來怎麼去因為中國軍演他隨時來就來那接下來怎麼辦 |
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我們必須要透過各式的會議跟美方協商後續是否可以準時的交易那我們也會向立院委員說明希望能夠讓預算盡量的進步因為你們很多啦包含這一些我們要購買的武器也會受到影響包含這一個標槍飛彈 四針飛彈那甚至連這個油料的撥補都會受到影響嗎對都會受到影響 那怎麼辦增節使用 那你也不能說這一個他來的時候我們不上去啊 |
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陳錄委員講的這些項目都會受到影響我們還是很希望說能夠盡快審議讓這些受影響的程度能夠盡可能降低我覺得受影響要跟外界說明清楚尤其是在中共軍演剛結束的時候不論是我們的國防預算還有我們的軍購的預算都被擋 |
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然后也要对外去澄清那现在在野党都讲说这个特别条例什么只有两页A4纸然后就要拿到1.25兆我们现在讨论的是条例不是总预算这个东西要对外讲清楚但是在野党都是内行人讲外行话他就跟你讲说条例现在才两页然后就要拿这个1.25兆预算你条例不够的话你怎么去省总预算呢我觉得这个东西都要对外去讲清楚因为就像这次的这个军演 |
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中國也釋放出很多的假說訊息這等於是說除了這個正式的軍演之外這個資訊戰這個一些訊息戰也是變成說這一次在中國軍演的時候他們也有特別去琢磨那至少我就看到了 |
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有一些類應該就是他們的認知作戰比如說還講我們的部長去休假了然後無人機還飛到我們這邊來拍攝101的照片然後還說我們F6V的戰機鎖定他們這個是P圖類似這種的假設訊息這些資訊戰國防部掌握了多少 |
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有沒有馬上就回應啊我覺得我比較在乎是這個因為我有觀察到說你們沒有在第一時間就馬上就回應沒有委員這個部分其實您現在上面所提的其實我們掌握到了以後我們需要立即查證然後我們以最快的速度不論是用圖卡或者是新聞稿而且我們每天都有召開記者會都有及時的說明所以你說他們說無人機拍攝到101照片 |
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这个我觉得用大脑想就是假的不可能飞到这边来 |
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確定沒有進24海里所以我們立即就在圖卡上面公佈在我們的臉書上所以我覺得這個東西要及時去澄清因為其實我覺得軍演是歸軍演但是他們利用這種認知作戰的方式是企圖要影響台灣的這些明星士氣就覺得說這個無人機已經飛過來要飛到這麼近或是說他們的這個殲擊的戰機已經飛到這個恆春半島已經飛過去等等之類的 |
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然後還說他們飛過去我們也拍不到我們雷達也偵測不到等等之類的這些我覺得他們是利用這次軍演其實就是在測試在測試說第一個我們的反應能力怎麼樣有沒有即時能夠做澄清第二個說我們到底台灣的內部士氣有沒有受到影響那是不是有人也跟著一起附和在傳播在散佈這一些假說訊息這就是認知作戰的一種我覺得認知作戰 |
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比目前的軍演影響都還要大啦老實講啦因為這個是直接影響到這個台灣內部的這些明星士氣啦我是要求你們就是說在第一時間確定了這是假訊息但是說什麼部長沒有去開會這些東西都要立即要澄清因為我看很多是我們有相關委員先澄清之後你們的圖卡才出來其實不應該這樣子這個大家要注意因為接下來中國類似的軍演跟認知作戰只會越來越多啊 |
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謝謝委員指教 我們會改進對啊 這部分我覺得要加強啦好 謝謝謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝坤臣召委接著請王世堅委員質詢 |