| IVOD_ID |
166779 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166779 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-05T10:18:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-05T10:31:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:19 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8c294bbfbc570b58864d8e205d09dd6beeb09d831e702117aea507db77ca69180c1acf7fe19f66a45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:18:54 - 10:31:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處主計長陳淑姿、財政部部長莊翠雲、國防部副部長、海洋委員會副主任委員、海巡署副署長就「115年度中央政府總預算案至今尚未審查，對國家安全及地方建設的影響」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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那增列的部分原來如果是列一千萬增列兩百萬一千兩百萬只能用一千萬的部分是增列部分用不到好那我們接下來請教財政部次長來我們來看財政部的東西來財政部長你看看其他兩位次長也先上來好了我們節省時間財政部的新興計畫當中促餐的部分包括要做交通設宅長照公托因為新興計畫不能辦財政部明年的促進促餐 |
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可不可以擴大到交通色彩跟長照公脫所以就是說超過去年的執行數了都不能做不是 新興計畫是都不能做因為這是新興計畫你們的增列額度是什麼是養老給戶如果預算沒有省過我們公教人員的養老給戶不夠的部分領得到嗎 |
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這些因為它是法定義務支出所以這個養老集會沒有審過一樣可以領還是要付怎麼付 借錢來付我們會統籌去統籌好 當然財務也管國產署國產署當中你看我們登革熱在南部是一個很嚴重的公共傳染疾病所以公有財產非公用使用的國產署管對不對登革熱你草要不要撿 |
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那你沒有這筆新增的額度萬一今年度鄧格勒來那怎麼辦雜草長了鄧格勒流行怎麼辦那就沒辦法用那這個新興計畫被佔用的國產這是新興計畫喔這個都不是法定支出喔那這個你們就不能做了嗎對 超過去年的執行書的那部分都不能用所以照這樣說藍白不審預算什麼人會開心佔用國產的人開心啊因為財政部沒辦法清查是這樣嗎 |
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藍白在幫助那些非法佔用國產的人民嗎是這樣的意思嗎真正的人民他們會在意什麼民眾會在意統一發票獎金啦去年統一發票獎金被刪了對不對後來不夠發嘛後來你們是用追加好那現在這個是屬於增列的部分喔今年我們要增列喔如果沒有審過我們統一發票獎金是不是一樣會不夠 |
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跟委員報告因為統一發票這個給獎的獎金現在已改為法定義務支出已經改為法定義務支出了所以不用擔心領不到所以他不會受影響不會受影響好那接下來退稅退稅要由國稅局來付手續費嘛是那你們手續費沒有編那是不是就退不到稅了對 |
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對 哇 大家聽得好如果退稅的手續費我們預算沒有審過沒有得編人民恐怕退不到稅這很嚴重 往下看來 我們再往那個海巡署謝謝陳副卵次長來 海巡來 海委會其實我們看到有一筆很大的錢這是屬於什麼 |
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這個海洋環境治理 污染防治潔淨海洋計畫變得一億多是副主委那如果預算沒有審過 我們海洋生態保育會不會開天窗會受影響會受影響 那目前的情況好不好 會不會被監察院糾正 |
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還是我們關心的是國人有一個捷徑的環境可以留給下一代還會怎麼辦如果預算沒有省了少了這一億多我們怎麼去執行我們這一個部分執行就會受到影響來比這個呢也同樣嚴重的往下看海巡人員的人身保障不足啊你們在增加什麼保險嘛 |
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我們看到最近的中共的軍演我們海巡弟兄也很英勇啊是不是開著艦艇跟他正面的逼他退對不對是這些人員的保險安全保障夠嗎有沒有給他足夠的保險因為我們今年有增編了2226 |
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所以怎麼辦 會受到影響啊有些人口口聲聲說關心國家的安全立法院卻不給我們又要馬兒好 又不給馬兒吃草我們的人身安全保障不夠怎麼要求我們軍職的幹部為國來保障呢 是不是這樣好 還有一個很嚴重的聽說你們的無人機的量能構置OK但是有沒有訓練 要不要訓練 |
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要我們的訓練預算是不是都是屬於新增的是是 好啦 無人機買了你沒有訓練經費我們無人機能操作嗎跟委員報告 我們現在無人機的訓練就是要怎樣 自己土法煉鋼我們無人機訓練不需要花錢嗎需要花錢買了裝備 買了槍 不給你子彈不給你打靶 你會打嗎來 我們請國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
329.865 |
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350.446 |
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來 我們副市長 我們看一下其實國軍弟兄在陳平的時候我們看到不久前還傳出了外島的部隊很多弟兄被詐騙對不對國防部有沒有做一些加強是 有結果看到你們增列了防詐獎席這筆錢如果沒有省過有辦法做防詐獎席嗎 |
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是沒辦法所以說啊口口聲聲關心國人被詐騙關心我們國軍弟兄被詐騙結果預算不審過那請問一下國防部你們怎麼跟官兵做防詐講習這個會受到影響還有比這個更嚴重的還更嚴重的急救包跟保險啊 |
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我們演習難免萬一有些意外狀況受傷我們需要保險對不對需要急救多少錢超過25億啊請問副部長如果預算沒有審過我們的國軍弟兄有人身安全的保險保障嗎報告委員不只是這樣我們還有戰鬥個裝也是保障我們的戰鬥人員戰鬥個裝好我們現在講戰鬥個裝往下看 |
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419.05 |
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我們飛彈 我看到新聞報導飛彈 很多飛彈恐怕籌購的進入就要現在延宕但我看不止啊你們還編在後勤欸這些彈藥還有訓練場所是不是這樣這些加起來的時候都要多少受影響你們所謂的戰傷對不對急救醫療14億無人機13億戰傷的救護備戰都要用到 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
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怎麼辦 752億這些都是屬於新興資本支出或是屬於經常費的增列部分欸的確是這樣我剛剛聽到有委員口口聲聲要幫我們國軍弟兄姊妹要來調高他們的待遇我們支不支持我們支持但是我們要強調一點喔 |
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464.955 |
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我們在平常的演訓我們要給他充足的什麼福利待遇我們在戰備我們要給他精裝精良的武器能夠保護自己能夠有效的來戰鬥那哪一個重要都很重要所以我現在給你一個建議其實我們目前國軍當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
466.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
481.704 |
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老實說很多短疫期的志願役士官兵你要是短疫期10年以下的吧這些10年以下的他們都是20郎當歲進來可能30歲不到就退伍是不是你覺得他們從軍他們希望國家給他什麼給他好的裝備給他好的待遇 |
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486.252 |
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507.028 |
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是 我要跟你講 這些任何國家都一樣短一期的志願役士官兵 他們年輕服役他們是為國家貢獻青春青春一去不復還青春值多少錢青春需要國家給他一個退伍轉業的保障 你同不同意是 |
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他今天20歲到30歲他奉獻給國家他不是一輩子要在軍裡面發展他也不可能做到領月退所以他要的是什麼他先用他的青春歲月為其他人付出更多的時間他這10年可能在海上在前線他沒有辦法像其他的年輕人自由的休假快樂的去消費 經常的出國 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
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553.139 |
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但是他怎樣他可以為他30歲人生的第二村存第一桶金你同意嗎是所以我要提醒國防部思考一下對這些短一期的志願役士官兵要怎麼樣想到他30歲退伍後他的第二村怎麼規劃國防部有提供進修深造 |
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563.161 |
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學習嘛 有沒有是鼓勵他們在軍旅生涯去念個學位嘛 有沒有有那有沒有想過 我先問你 你有沒有知道勞工的勞退 僱主要幫他提幾% |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
566.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
594.038 |
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6%對不對農民退休儲金只要農民在10%以內他拿多少政府就拿多少最高10%換言之如果一個年輕的農民他可以在基本工資的3萬元的額度他每個月用10%3000政府要拿3000出來大家有20%就有6000塊一個月存6000國軍目前短疫期志願士官兵有沒有這樣一個退休的一個制度來保障他有沒有 |
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| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
611.146 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
有沒有來你們在找的時候我告訴你我是建議副部長你聽一下其實我覺得對於這些短一期的自願意識官兵你要提供給一般勞工一般農民 |
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611.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
630.524 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
更高更強的退休的保障退伍的保障為什麼因為他不是退休他不是到了65歲60歲他退下來他是要去轉業所以他需要一個創業或轉業的資本如果說今天國防部可以研議我舉例我打個舉例比如說他這10年 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
632.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
646.712 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
他前兩年你每年幫他存10%他的信奉的10%放在他的退休專戶你甚至讓他去買什麼 買TISA 買ETF都可以讓他投資基金三四年調整到12.5%每兩年調整2.5% |
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649.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
667.788 |
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最後兩年你幫他存20%你覺得回去請你們算一下如果用這個方式你可以幫我們短一期的自營士官兵他服役的年限到了他退伍了 他要轉業了他是不是可以存一筆相當足夠的轉業或創業資本您覺得勒 夠不夠 |
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這是一個值得研究的一個方案可不可以按照這個構想提出一個方案來跟我報告我在財政委員會我們今天主席也站起來了我要告訴你其實我們鼓勵什麼強化國人尤其是年輕人的退休保障 |
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| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
702.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
讓他們在年輕的時候他們付出了青春 付出了歲月國家給他在未來的生活他是要 他不是要退休他是要轉業的他的這一桶金在退休的時候拿你太早給他 |
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| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
729.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
小心被詐騙他退伍後他30歲他要轉業他可能有家庭有小孩有配偶想買房想要再想辦法創業這樣的一個退伍的一個退休準備請國防部研議一個月內可以嗎是一月底前我們來研究一下好謝謝謝謝委員指教好那就承諾我囉是好謝謝好謝謝總委員接下來我們請陳俊忠委員 |
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738.985 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
739.068 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
主席 |