| IVOD_ID |
166778 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166778 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-05T10:06:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-05T10:18:48+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:17 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8c294bbfbc570b584a2d0af972ba28a9eeb09d831e702117aea507db77ca6918cd63afc3e7d0c2bb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅明才 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:06:31 - 10:18:48 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處主計長陳淑姿、財政部部長莊翠雲、國防部副部長、海洋委員會副主任委員、海巡署副署長就「115年度中央政府總預算案至今尚未審查，對國家安全及地方建設的影響」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席各位初列席官員大家好主席可不可以請陳淑芝主記長以及國防部徐副部長請陳主記長徐副部長各位委員好那請問115年度這個已經開始了今天是幾月幾號元月五號 |
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元月五號嘛那一百一十五年時間到總預算怎麼還沒過呢這個部分我要拜託也要懇請貴院能夠來進行審查好啊 你拜託我 那我也拜託你啊現在軍人的部分是國家非常重要的一個基石那今年的軍人那個軍人加薪喔你有沒有編入總預算裡面 |
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這個部分因為人事總署認為這個部分是整個影響到整個一個所謂的公務人員整個薪資的一個結構所以這個部分第二個那本身這個部分的他裁員也必須要籌措因為他將近300億然後第三個就是說這個部分呢就是沒有 |
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一般他跟那個憲法裡面的規定就是說行政立法要先協商協商之後再來編列然後稠妥裁員再來編列這個部分是有違所以這個部分我們申請釋憲當中我們等釋憲結果我們就來辦理不是現在立法院裡面有哪一個委員反對軍人夾刑你把名字給我或你直接講出來 |
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軍人加薪是都OK但是你不能說我那個加薪的制度它整個是很複雜而且它整個在整個一個職者的一個制度上面它也很複雜所以它本身的加薪的制度以人事總署來看的話它各有各種的責任繁重的程度 |
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所以加薪的程度也是要不一樣所以而不是說我一致性的加一個額度這樣子對整個一個薪資的結構是破壞的然後對於所有的公務人員他也是不公平的所以這個部分就是要考慮的一個重點所以很複雜結果去年搞了一整年你們也沒對案所以我再請教一個才化法不複雜 |
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財化法 也複雜搞了20幾年 到現在也沒方案出來啊方案委員 我們有新的方案出來我們過了 你們不實施啊方案委員 我們新的方案有出來為什麼感覺在你的嘴巴講出來都覺得很複雜那我問你一個問題你現在要國防預算 |
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特別條例要增加1.25兆請問複不複雜這個部分因為它本身是條例的部分有一部分是又涉及到機密這是不是請國防部來回答國防部國防部本席一直對於軍人的照顧福利的部分我特別特別的為他們爭取 |
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你知道現在的所有國防的這些軍人要招募容易不容易請回答報告我們有很多強化招募的措施是 我們現在的員額應該是要多少全部的軍人 |
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先講 秘密就不要講 不然等下被你扣帽子你可以講你就講 不要講就不要講請問我們軍人大概 全國有多少軍人包委員 這個限元數是 這個還是機敏 |
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秘密喔 OK好 那請問 軍人的薪水喔軍人的薪水 會不會過低對不起 您說 軍人薪水怎麼樣會不會過低是秘密就不要講啦 沒關係不然等一下被扣帽子可是你可能會發現我一整天問下來全部都是秘密 |
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報告委員我是足基局局長請說軍人的薪資待遇您剛剛問的問題是不是會不會過低的問題是這部分感謝委員關切因為我們國軍也是整體公務人員的一環所以我們不管薪資待遇相關的薪資結構都必須跟 |
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軍工教的一致性的來做一個整體的規劃所以我覺得目前的薪資待遇在行政院整理規劃下目前我們都是依相關規定來辦理好 那請國防部是現在整個經濟的環境物價飆漲其實薪資遠遠趕不上物價飆漲的比率 |
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所以我們發現當一個雞腿便當70塊漲到140的時候是漲快一倍 接近一倍那我請問國防部軍人的薪水有沒有漲漲的比例調付是多少調付嗎 調付 |
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這段向委員報告 去年軍人的薪資就有整體的調升依照行政院的指導提高多少去年是4%4%那你知道剛剛本席所講的物價的漲幅已經漲了80% 90%你調高4%對軍人有沒有幫助 |
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包委員有關那個軍人的待遇部分從105年到現在這個有加薪的事實整個加薪的一個比例加起來是14%那你從105年到現在你知不知道 |
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一個肉丸啊幾塊漲到幾塊來足跡漲可能比較清楚物價的飆升講給他聽30條到5030條到5030條50的話漲20塊他的漲幅這樣算起來比例是多少就是將近60以上 |
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漲了60幾%結果軍人的調薪只有10幾%他講得好開心喔其實這是相對的剝奪感你知道我們現在都在講全立法院老農今天要增加對小朋友對嬰兒的照顧要國家要支持要增加那為什麼軍人我們明明已經通過了 |
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軍人的薪資要增加為什麼就不編呢好 國防部主席長先不要講國防部如果薪資都不調漲這樣會不會影響到 |
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国军的军力其实今年以来我们已经调了很多加级的部分所以实际上并不是完全没有调的所以调了以后第二点这个军人也是整体国家政府人员的一部分要调也要配合行政院整体的一个政策不是 这一个相对的剥夺感嘛 |
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美國講一句話你馬上就編1.25兆我們在立法院大力為軍人來支持講了半天也不過這個九牛一毛而已你們還摳死摳著不放包委員我們沒有不加但是要配合整個政府的政策一起來加好 那我問你一下政策要快啦因為現在每天都在過 |
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便當都在吃蚵仔麵線都在吃奶粉也在泡你的時間要趕得上啊你看國防部這裡寫說115年度中央政府總預算案至今尚未審查對國家安全及地方建設的影響有沒有影響報告有影響沒有 你打開第一頁第一個 無 |
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國防與國防安全最後一個寫無那個無是指機密性是無機密性這是我們新的精準機密的辦法所以這個都是無機密性的無機密性那你有機密性的才有問題啊有機密性的我剛問來全部都是機密那個人員編制的確是機密是機密是機密喔 |
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好 那是機密我們就要保護現源編制是機 現源編制是機密好 是機密的話我們就遵照你的意思是機密但是你還是跟我們要很多多數的立委站在一起我們一起為軍人加薪來努力好不好我們當然願意替軍人但是要配合整體政府的政策來 接著請阮清華 阮市長很重要喔好 請阮市長阮市長您上來喔股市就上三萬點了 |
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你不信你上去看看這個3萬點3萬點已經OK了本席在這裡喊了好幾年了從1萬點到2萬點到3萬點穩穩的站穩了3萬點會不會 |
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股市很難預估啦但是目前的就是我們就是管理AI也好或者是高速運算也好等等這些因為我們是站在對的一方所以我們的產業的發展其實是未來是但是現在市場都說政府不要讓他漲太多不要超過三萬點這個是真的嗎 |
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今天已經超過3萬點了對 你們在押所以聽說你們都開始在偷賣台積電啊你有沒有在賣國安基金的台積電國安基金的我們不能賣你都不會賣嗎我們退場前我們都不賣 沒有賣退場前都沒有賣什麼時候退場退場就要看委員會來決議 |
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你不會突然明天說我這個禮拜就要退場那你東西全部賣完啦就要看委員會怎麼做決議啦那決議退場我跟委員報告我們退場也不會說一天兩天就賣掉了我們要看市場的狀況好啦 我想三萬點喔是一個很重要的關卡我們希望經濟繼續成長那大家拼經濟全民一起共同來努力那也不要打壓啦 |
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股票才剛剛漲 你們就一直在打壓不大好啦而且你們八大行庫也偷偷一直在壓盤啊讓它自由的發展 好不好我們是尊重市場機制啦 不會壓啦謝謝羅委員 謝謝接下來我們請中央嘉賓委員 |