| IVOD_ID |
166774 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166774 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-05T09:44:13+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-05T09:55:08+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8c294bbfbc570b5899c83f047d62c9edeeb09d831e7021177d23619189f10e6c35370ae7c0b599e85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
郭國文 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:44:13 - 09:55:08 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處主計長陳淑姿、財政部部長莊翠雲、國防部副部長、海洋委員會副主任委員、海巡署副署長就「115年度中央政府總預算案至今尚未審查，對國家安全及地方建設的影響」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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我先請竹記長請陳竹記長 |
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委員好主席好主席本席有觀察到115年我們主計總數所看到的經濟所預估的經濟成長的數字是3.54%比較起央行跟台晶園來說都是比較偏高 |
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當然是每一個預測都有它的這個落差或它相對的精準度那主計總數這樣估計的3.54預計人均的這個GDP會突破4萬美元但是GDP四個構成的要件當中一個其中很重要是政府的支出是 |
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而且政府的支出當中會影響到這個GDP的數字之外影響到間接影響的內需的這個消費本期是好奇就是說你在估計這個3.54的這個成長率的時候到底有沒有把這個預算的變數把它納入進去 |
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第一個今年度的預算沒有省今年度的預算當中總共有3000億接下來國防預算1.25兆這個八年的部分每年大概1500億加起來的部分就大約4500億直接的影響跟間接的影響GDP的部分到底有沒有納入要不要重新修正 |
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現在我跟委員報告一下就是說我們當然當初在考量的時候它裡面有一些是屬於政府投資的部分或者資本財的部分那這個會影響的部分它大概100億它會影響0.05個百分比如果是消費性的呢它大概會影響0.03個百分比這樣子 |
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如果是100億的話有0.05如果假設我們現在4500億的話影響的數字就相當大了換算起來數字上0.05 |
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一千億就等於百分之零點五啦對啊那一千億等於百分之零點五你這樣子的話百分之零點五你四千五百億那影響很大耶那你是不是要再重新評估一下因為我們公共支出的一個縮減特別預算的沒有審查如果這兩項的因素再加總下去的話應該不是三點五十了吧 |
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對 所以這個部分對GDP是有影響那因為它影響大部分會分會下修嘛那我們要看整個情形下修大概是什麼程度你能不能重新評估一次因為它評估下修的一個因素非常的多 |
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對 至少四大因素當中寫得很清楚嘛政府支出就是一個很重要的關鍵你剛剛在講有影響所以這3.5是你原來預估當中並沒有把這個變數放進去你就應該有重估的這個可能嘛不是嗎我就本席就是提醒你回去重估也讓國人知道因為你不省預算你沒有通過這一個特別預算你會影響到GDP的成長你明年未必能夠超過4萬的這一個國民所得對不對 |
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我们一般是三个月重估一次对 三个月重估一次你现在就要重估了不要等三个月我看现在的态势很可能没有过的比例比较大不然你做个民调不然现场问一下也可以再跟委员报告我们大概今年在113年我们初估是7.37对 没关系你过去预估的我就不管你对 我要再跟你说这个程序 |
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就是说我会检讨114年的时候对对对我在讨论检讨114年度的我会再做修正同时也修正115年度你刚才说1000亿喔就0.5%喔这起码有4000亿喔就至少2%喔 |
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这2%的影响你估计不过是3.54而已就影响到这个公共支出影响这么大这么大的冲击你等于拦腰斩半你当然要重新评估怎么可以等到三个月以后好 接下来本席再问你一下 |
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另外一個部分因為財法法的部分我們不附屬可是第一版的財法法的時候在113年12月20號的時候就三讀通過那時候就影響到4165億下放給地方整整一年你一直在強調說要重新規劃事權 |
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財權跟事權是互相影響事權結頂財權財權也會影響到事權早期的影響最多的是1999年的這個金省的部分廢省的部分所造成的一個衝擊面可是現在已經一年了主席長我們應該去真實的面對這個問題嘛 |
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撲鼠另外一回事那還有一個變數可是這已經形成定局的這個事權也許需要修法藍白不一定會過可是我們版本要出來我們要把問題攤出來面對現在真實的狀況第一個 哪些法需要修事權的歸屬需要修第二個 不需要修要修哪些規則 |
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讓中央跟地方的這個分工可以明確化不要造成日後的一個爭議這個應該把它具體的擬出來這個 主委長 |
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我要跟委員報告事實上我們在中央總預算裡面其實對地方的一個補助裡面不要談到不用修市權的部分它就有一個一般性的補助這都原來是屬於地方印辦的事項就是2501億然後再來就是一個計畫型的補助那我們在114年度是將近2400億總預算的部分 |
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那這兩個部分因為我們不修條文的話再只能就針對如果說4165億要給地方那我們只能針對對原來地方硬辦的事項我們必須要做刪減所以我們就會把原來一般性補助有一些是屬於地方硬辦的事項 |
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回歸給地方去辦理是這樣子所以說只有在規則上來做調整目前都還沒有需要修法還沒有修到法這個部分就是這樣子那再來就是有關原來省政府的部分其實他總共要拿走15%包括省政府就是4165再加上那個2501加起來總共要拿走15%就包含省政府的部分那原來省政府的業務 |
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把你需要修改的部分會後給本席一份因為我還要問國防部海洋海委會好不好謝謝請回謝謝你整理一份給本席接下來我請那個副部長徐副部長還有包括我們海委副主委張總統副主委兩位請請徐副部長張副主委 |
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副部長 你在國防報告書當中你有寫到這書面報告說將有高達780億人約有21%的國防預算未能約到原來的期程的部分這會不會造成影響到裝備彈藥跟不對稱的戰力的建構跟官兵訓練的動員之外這實質的影響之外會不會造成跟美方之間一個信諾的一個毀約 |
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鮑委員會我前面就講過國防預算其實也是一個向國際社會表達我們自我防衛決心的一個重要的政治訊號是你看2025年美國的這個國防安全戰略當中就指出台灣是通往第二島鏈的直接通道而且在第一島鏈當中扮演戰略阻斷的一個角色另外美國也不會單獨承擔第一島鏈的一個防衛任務也簡單的講過去被保護的對象轉為成戰略阻斷的一環特別是日本 |
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台灣跟菲律賓嘛 對不對如果是這樣的情況底下我們一直延宕這些預算會造成國防跟海巡戰力會出現時間的落差會不會造成這一種戰略履約能力的一個這一個失去信用 信心 |
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的確有這個可能性因為這裡面不只牽涉到是美國還有所有的有盟國家到時候甚至包括歐洲國家對我們這個台海和平穩定的支持如果是這樣子的話應該把這個如果有具體有約定有違約的話法律上的責任或政治上的一個承諾的嚴重性加以凸顯副部長你請回我接下來請那個海委會那個張副主委 |
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主席委員好張副我剛剛就講到從第一島鏈的部分台灣跟日本還有菲律賓過往我們在2016年的時候台日的海洋事務的合作對話的時候就有提到要簽署彼此的海難搜索救助的MOU |
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就我理解的部分一直到等到2024年的時候才有實際的行動在台日海巡在日本的千葉縣外面來做一個海外海的演練那這個部分呢目前為止第七屆的會議去年沒有召開今年還在磋商當中有沒有可能繼續強化台日海巡之間的合作來應對這個灰色作戰這是第一個 |
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海巡是我們第二海軍第二個有沒有可能從雙邊到多邊因為現在的部分是台日之間有那個日非之間有台非之間沒有台非之間有台非之間也有海難的部分就是各自雙邊但是沒有多邊有沒有可能擴到多邊那個副主委就教育您我先回答委員第一個問題那有關台資部分在我們簽約以後對於海難搜救跟救助一直都是在進行 |
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一直在進行那有一些這個演練的部分啦這邊因為是四色機敏所以不適合在這邊適合在更委的報告早日新聞都已經披露了你還在吃四色新秘不是 那個有關實際的部分啦另外在台北部分我們本來就有合作的架構那未來多邊跟以此之說現在三 |
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雙邊變成多邊的可能性有沒有可能在今年第七屆的會議當中來做深入的討論這是我們的議題之一跟委員報告議題之一因為跟委員報告就是說你的議題之一就是可能雙邊變成多邊也就是說本來是兩國會變成三國我就要問這個問題謝謝謝謝郭委員接下來我們請李燕秀委員 |