| IVOD_ID |
16677 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16677 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-15T08:30:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-15T12:52:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:21:46 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/b41997f390c3528e14eb38c982c93fb98bd03a951da4504b52bdb8234cc31cac451700a12c0c16235ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理中華民國114年度中央政府總預算決議有關財政部主管預算凍結書面報告案62案、有關審計部主管預算凍結書面報告案4案及有關行政院主計總處預算凍結書面報告案18案。【報告事項】
二、處理中華民國114年度中央政府總預算決議有關財政部主管預算凍結專案報告案17案及有關行政院主計總處預算凍結專案報告案1案。【討論事項】
【5月14日及15日二天一次會】） |
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完整會議 |
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08:30:14 - 12:52:00 |
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谢谢大家 |
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大家早安,現在繼續開會,請醫事人員先讀今日的議程 |
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好 謝謝首先 |
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哇,都沒有耶,都沒膽耶 |
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那我首先先介紹在現場的那個議會的政府官員首先我們先介紹財政部部長莊翠雲莊部長還有綜合規劃司理事長 |
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國際財政司包副司長推動處參司張司長人事處張處長會計處李處長我們就不用拍手了因為都是我們自己的同仁我們互相鼓勵一下介紹我們統計處劉護處長政風處許處長法治處姚處長秘書處楊處長國庫署陳署長護稅署宋署長 |
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那我們的關務署彭署長國有財產署曾署長 |
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財政資訊中心張主任財政人員訓練所許所長台北國稅局吳局長還有我們高雄國稅局翁局長北區國稅局李局長中區國稅局樓局長南區國稅局李局長那接著我們介紹審計部我們的審計長陳瑞銘審計長謝謝那我們會計師王主任 |
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1937.588 |
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那我們再介紹我們的主計總長陳淑芝那我們公務預算處許處長基金預算處潘處長會計結算處許處長綜合統計處蔡處長國事普查處潘處長主計資訊處吳處長 |
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1962.399 |
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綜合規劃處 協護處長人事處 許處長 秘書室 張主任 針鋒室 陳主任還有主計 主計室 張主任最後介紹主計人員信念中心 張執行長 歡迎我們介紹在場的委員 吳秉正委員 |
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那請議事人員先讀報告4項有關中華民國114年度中央政府總預算財政部主管預算解凍案書面報告62案審計部主管預算解凍案書面報告4案及行政院主計總處主管預算解凍案書面報告18案那請問各位好那我們請議事人員先讀 |
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1.處理中華民國114年度中央政府總預算決議有關財政部主管預算凍結書面報告案62案1.財政部新增決議凍結財政部之業務費預算10%書面報告案2.財政部決議凍結第一項一般行政向下基本行政工作維持之業務費預算1%書面報告案 |
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三 凍結第一幕向下基本行政工作維持之業務費預算三百萬元書面報告案四 凍結第一幕向下基本行政工作維持中業務費之教育訓練費預算十分之一書面報告案五 第四項凍結第三幕出餐業務向下促進民間參與公共建設業務預算二十分之一書面報告案第五項凍結第三幕 |
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向下促進民間參與公共建設業務預算二十分之一書面報告案第七案凍結第三幕向下 |
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2104.831 |
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促进民间参与公共建设置业务非预算十分之一书面报告案八 冻结第三幕向下促进民间参与公共建设置业务非预算二十分之一书面报告案九 冻结第六幕捐助支出预算八百万元书面报告案十 国库署决议冻结第二幕国库业务预算二十分之一书面报告案十一案冻结第二幕国库业务预算两百万元书面报告案十二 冻结第二幕 |
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2105.271 |
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2126.447 |
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向下債務管理作業之業務費預算五分之一書面報告案十三案凍結第二幕向下財務規劃作業預算二十分之一書面報告案十四國庫署新增決議凍結第二幕向下菸酒管理作業預算百分之十書面報告案十五國庫署決議第五項凍結第二幕向下 |
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2127.348 |
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2151.522 |
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私列菸品茶器作業預算二十分之一書面報告案十六第六項凍結第二幕向下私列菸品茶器作業預算二十分之一書面報告案十七凍結第二幕向下私列菸品茶器作業預算兩百萬元書面報告案十八凍結第二幕向下私列菸品茶器作業預算二十分之一書面報告案 |
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2153.597 |
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2170.969 |
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19 複稅署決議第一項凍結第一幕一般行政向下基本行政工作維持預算150萬元書面報告案20 第二項凍結第一幕向下基本行政工作維持預算150萬元書面報告案21 第三項凍結第一幕向下基本行政工作維持預算150萬元書面報告案 |
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2173.431 |
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2185.025 |
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22.第四項凍結第一幕向下基本行政工作維持預算150萬元書面報告案第五項凍結第二幕付稅業務預算50萬元24.第六項凍結第二幕付稅業務預算50萬元書面報告案25.凍結第二幕付稅業務向下革新稅制改 |
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2193.234 |
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2198.095 |
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綜合及基增業務經費預算十分之一書面報告案二十九 凍結第三幕統一發票 |
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2221.2 |
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2236.626 |
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給獎及推行預算百一百萬元書面報告案三十案凍結第三目向下統一發票給獎及推行中業務費至一般事務費媒體政策及業務宣導費預算十分之一書面報告案三十一高雄國稅局決議凍結第二步國稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
2240.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2266.153 |
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急增業務向下電子處理及運用中業務費資資訊服務費預算十分之一書面報告案三十二北區國稅局及所屬決議凍結第三幕一般建築及設備第一節營建工程向下構建辦公大樓中設備及投資之房屋建築及設備費預算二十分之一書面報告案三十三中區國稅局及所屬決議凍結第一幕一般行政向下基本行政工作維持中 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
2267.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2268.097 |
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設備及投資之雜項設備費預算十分之一書面報告案 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
2272.375 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2296.651 |
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三十四 關務署及所屬決議第一項 凍結第一幕一般行政預算三百萬元書面報告案三十五 凍結第一幕向下基本行政工作維持三百萬元預算書面報告案三十六 第三項凍結第二幕關稅業務預算五百萬元書面報告案三十七 第四項凍結第二幕關稅業務預算五百萬元書面報告案第五項 凍結第二幕關稅業務預算五百萬元書面報告案 |
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2303.995 |
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2323.08 |
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第六項凍結第二幕關稅業務預算五百萬元書面報告案四十凍結第二幕關稅業務向下查緝業務預算十分之一書面報告案四十一凍結第二幕關稅業務向下查緝業務之旅客行李檢查及貨物查緝處理等經費預算一百萬元書面報告案 |
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2325.365 |
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2327.868 |
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四十二凍結第二幕關稅業務向下關稅資料處理預算凍結五百萬元書面報告案 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
2334.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2360.664 |
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四十三 凍結第二幕關稅業務向下數位海關再造計畫預算五百萬元書面報告案四十四 凍結第二幕向下數位海關再造計畫預算十分之一書面報告案四十五 國有財產署及所屬決議凍結第二幕國有財產業務向下國有財產接收保管之業務費預算二十分之一書面報告案四十六 第二項凍結第二幕 |
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2362.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2382.786 |
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向下國有財產接收保管之業務費預算兩百萬元書面報告案四十七 第三項 凍結第二幕國有財產業務向下國有財產管理處分之業務費預算兩百萬元書面報告案四十八 第四項 凍結第二幕向下國有財產管理處分之業務費預算兩百萬元書面報告案四十九 |
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2383.979 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2407.526 |
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第五項 凍結第二幕向下國有財產管理處分之業務費預算兩百萬元書面報告案五十 第六項 凍結第二幕向下國有財產管理處分業務費預算兩百萬元書面報告案五十一 第七項 凍結第二幕向下國有財產管理處分之業務費預算兩百萬元書面報告案五十二 第九項 凍結第二幕向下國有財產管理處分之業務費預算兩百萬元書面報告案 |
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2411.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2436.262 |
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五十三 凍結第二幕國有財產業務向下國有財產管理處分之國有非公用文化資產修復及管理維護計劃預算一百萬元書面報告案五十四 凍結第二幕向下國有財產管理處分之強勢外來入侵總移除防治及復育計劃預算二十分之一書面報告案十一項 五十五案第十一項凍結第二幕國有財產 |
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2438.043 |
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2451.55 |
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業務向下國有財產管理國有財產改良利用預算二十分之一書面報告案五十六第十二項凍結第二幕向下國有財產改良利用預算二十分之一書面報告案五十七凍結第二幕 |
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2453.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2467.851 |
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項下國有公用財產之業務費預算二十分之一書面報告案五十八動結第二幕項下國有公用財產中設備及投資之機械設備費預算一百二十萬元書面報告案五十九 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2469.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2486.608 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
動結第三幕一般建築及設備第一階營建工程預算二十分之一書面報告案六十財政資訊中心決議動結第二幕財政資訊預算五百萬元書面報告案六十一動結第二幕財政資訊業務向下電子發票管理經費預算二十分之一書面報告案六十二動結 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2489.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2511.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
動結第二幕向下電子發票管理經費中業務費之一般事務費預算十分之一書面報告案二有關審計部主管預算凍結書面報告案四案一審計部決議凍結第一幕一般行政向下基本行政工作維持中業務費之物品預算十分之一書面報告案二凍結第二幕中央政府審計向下中央 |
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2513.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2539.18 |
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政府審計工作至業務費預算五十萬元書面報告案三 凍結第二幕向下中央政府審計工作中業務費至國內組織會費預算兩萬元書面報告案四 凍結第三幕縣市地方審計向下縣市地方審計工作預算十分之一書面報告案三 有關行政院主計總署預算凍結書面報告案十八案一 行政院主計總署新增決議凍結行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2541.061 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2567.811 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
主計總出預算五千萬元書面報告案二凍結第七目主計訓練業務向下主計人員訓練之業務費預算十分之一書面報告案三行政院主計總出凍結第一目一般行政向下扣除人事費外預算十分之一書面報告案四凍結第一目一般行政預算四百萬元書面報告案五凍結第一目一般行政向下政府內部控制監督機制規劃及督導向下 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2569.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2588.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
預算二十二萬元書面報告案六 凍結第一幕向下政府內部控制監督機制及規劃及督導預算十分之一書面報告案七 凍結第二幕中央總預算和編輯執行預算十分之一書面報告案八 凍結第二幕向下中央總預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2590.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2608.679 |
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之河邊及與執行預算十分之一書面報告案9 凍結第2幕向下地方政府主計業務之督導與查核之業務費預算十分之一書面報告案10 凍結第2幕向下地方政府主計業務之督導與查核預算十分之一書面報告案 |
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2609.539 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2623.549 |
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11.冻结第三幕特种基金预算合编及执行预算十分之一书面报告案第四幕会计及决算业务向下会计事务处理及决算合编预算五十万元书面报告案13. |
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2623.549 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2626.091 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
冻结第五幕综合统计业务向下办理 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2627.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2642.612 |
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統計行政與統計標準之業務費預算五分之一書面報告案十四凍結第五目綜合統計業務向下辦理綜合統計預算十分之一書面報告案十五凍結第五目向下辦理綜合統計中業務費之贈送物價 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2646.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2661.219 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
金融業概況調查民營電廠營運局投資概況調查傳播業營收及固定投資概況調查與服務業營運及投資概況調查廠商等紀念品預算五分之一書面報告案 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2663.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2682.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
凍結第六目 國事普查業務向下國庫統計預算二分之一書面報告案十七 凍結第六目 國事普查業務向下各機關統計調查及調查網管理預算十分之一書面報告案十八 凍結第八目 主計諮詢業務預算二十分之一書面報告案 宣讀完畢好 我們再介紹 在現場林德虎委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2693.203 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2714.042 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
請問各位委員針對以上財政部預算解凍案書面的報告62案審計部4案行政院主計總署18案有沒有異議沒有好 沒有異議那主席先步就是好 既然是沒有異議我們的書面報告完成準以動之提報宴會 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2715.694 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2717.917 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
處理中華民國114年度中央政府總預算決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2735.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2747.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
有關財政部主管預算凍結專案報告17案第一案 財政部新增決議凍結財政部3000萬元專案報告案二 凍結財政部預算100萬元專案報告案三 凍結財政部之業務費預算40%專案報告案四 凍結第一目一班行政預算1000萬元專案報告案五 國庫署新增決議凍結國庫署之業務費預算30%專案報告案 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2763.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2767.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
6.凍結第一幕一般行政向下基本行政工作維持及業務費預算凍結200萬元專案報告案7. |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2767.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2769.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
凍結第二幕國庫業務向下撕裂菸品茶器作業預算500萬元專案報告案8. |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2769.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2771.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
複稅署新增決議凍結複稅署之業務費預算30%專案報告案9. |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
2771.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2773.012 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
台北國稅局新增決議凍結台北國稅局業務費 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
2789.324 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2805.069 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
百分之三十專案報告案十 高雄國稅局新增決議凍結高雄國稅局之業務費預算百分之三十專案報告案十一 北區國稅局所屬新增決議凍結北區國稅局所屬之業務費預算百分之三十專案報告案十二 中區國稅局所屬新增決議凍結中區國稅局所屬之業務費預算百分之三十專案報告案 |
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2813.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2818.456 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
13.南區國稅局及所屬新增決議凍結南區國稅局及所屬之業務費預算30%專案報告案14. |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
2818.456 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2820.658 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
官務署及所屬新增決議凍結官務署之業務費預算30%專案報告案15. |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
2820.658 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2823.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
國有財產署及所屬新增決議凍結國有財產署之業務費預算30%專案報告案16. |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
2823.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2825.182 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
凍結第二幕國有財產業務向下國有財產管理儲備預算1000萬元 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
2841.056 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2841.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
專案報告案17. |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
2841.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
2843.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
財政資訊中心新增決議凍結財政資訊中心之業務費預算30%專案報告案2. |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
2843.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
2844.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
有關行政院主計總署預算凍結專案報告案1. |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
2844.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
2847.802 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
行政院主計總署新增決議凍結行政院主計總署之業務費預算40%專案報告案宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
2865.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
2881.708 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
好 今日議程安排處理中華民國一百一十四年度中央政府總預算財政部主管預算解凍案專案報告十七案行政院主計總處主管預算解凍案專案報告一案請財政部部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
2883.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
2894.014 |
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請財政部部長跟行政院主計總處陳主計長分別就預算的解凍案進行報告我們首先先請財政部莊部長就預算解凍案進行報告主席各位委員先進大家早首先感謝貴委員會審查以及處理114年度有關本部的預算 |
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2909.437 |
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解冻案冻结报告的79案我现在仅就17案的专案报告内容做简要的一个报告有关本部预算以及业务费跟一般行政的预算的事项这主要都是要办理租税以及官务的协定的洽签以及国际组织参与以及财政合作以及推动促餐等等各项业务以及维持各项我们的公务基本行政 |
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的運作所需要的至於大院所關注的財政收支劃分法修正案的研議情形我們已經持續通盤檢討以及精進那至於有關直轄市三地原住民區自治財源的改善方案本部也邀請相關機關會商以後認為以強化直轄市設算補助的機制具有可行性的那至於新清安貸款的政策目的以及優化措施 |
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那麼以及督請公股銀行加強貸款的管理以及查核高風險案件相關的詳細內容請參閱我們的報告第一頁到第三頁有關本部國庫署業務費以及一般行政還有國庫業務的預算三項這主要是辦理中央政府各個資用機關的經費款項的集中支付強化庫政 |
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以及債務管理等等各項業務並且是維持我們國庫署各項公務基本行政運作所需要的至於大院所關注的強化公股金融事業重大訊息的介入機制 |
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我們已經督請所屬事業延提機制並且滾動的精進那麼針對新型撕裂菸品違法太陽研議相關查緝措施方面我們已經建立作業流程加強查緝那麼詳細內容請參閱報告第三頁跟第四頁有關本部的賦稅署業務費的預算 |
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那這主要是要辦理我們的革新稅制改善稅政以及稅務激增等等各項業務以及維持我們複稅署各項公務基本行政運作所需要那麼有關各地區國稅局還有所屬的業務費的預算的五項的凍結的部分這些預算主要是辦理我們各項稅務的徵收退稅欠稅的清理等等業務那麼 |
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以及租稅教育的宣導以及維持各項公務基本行政運作所需要另外就是我們的關務署及所屬的業務費的預算的部分我們主要是辦理進口貨物通關及課徵關稅以及代徵貨物稅以及對出入境旅客的行李檢查郵包還有進出口等貨物的查緝所需要的經費以及各項公務基本行政運作所必要的經費 |
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那另外有關國產署以及所屬的業務費及國產業務的預算這個部分主要是辦理國有財產的接收保管管理處分及改良利用等等業務也是維持各項公務基本行政運作所需要的對大院所關注的蠶儲山地區國有土地被佔用的處理情形我們已經列為專案已經專案列管並且建立通案的處理機制詳情請參閱報告的第六頁 |
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對於有關我們財政資訊中心的業務費的預算主要是辦理國稅地方稅等重要核心系統的維運以及精進各項網路申報的服務還有維持我們本部共用資料中心機房所需要的電力還有網路的通訊以及維持各項公務基本行政運作所需要的必要的經費中項本部以及所屬114年度的預算 |
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都是办理国库付税官务国产财政资讯以及促餐等核心业务所必要的经费都是按照业务需求以及本则尊爵的原则核实的编列本部及所属机关一定会善用资源严谨的执行每项经费恳请各位委员支持同意动之相关预算并请指教谢谢 |
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3150.335 |
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好 謝謝部長 我們依序請行政院主計總處陳祖記長就預算解凍案進行報告 |
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主席各位委員女士先生今天應邀貴席委員會來報告自感榮幸請就大院對本總處114年度單位預算所作凍結約40%的決議提出檢要報告本總處的 |
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預算執行的一個情形近兩年大概執行率是98%到99%那上半年一般執行率是34%和32%約三成所以業務的大額支付都是在下半年都是在下半年那所以我們114年度預算編列員編列3億7573萬7千元經大院刪減後改列為3億6184萬 |
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2000元所以這上截至目前為止呢我們是在預算數的12%但是我們到第三季的時候必須支付61%所以如果執行到40%才來申請解凍那對業務上是有這個執行的一個落差那這個本身的業務如果沒有辦法如期的一個解凍那影響的部分主要有主計諮詢業務的部分 |
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還有一個國事普查就是辦理五年一次的農林普查還有工業和服務業普查還有一個統計業務相關的一個產業和關聯統計還有總體經濟預測和家庭收支的一個統計等還有本總處的基本行政 |
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相關的一個預算如能未能解凍將無法按時置戶水電會和協助行政事務工作保全等的一個相關費用以上本總署114年預算凍結影響情形說明請各委員示價並請同意預算解凍備立本總署各項施政和業務的一個順利進行 謝謝好 謝謝主計長現在開始詢答 先做以下的宣告 |
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每位出席的委員花言的時間是8分鐘必要的時候得延長2分鐘每位列席的委員花言的時間是4分鐘那今天上午10點我們截止花言登記現在依登記順序請登記第一位的林德虎委員質詢 |
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謝謝謝謝主席是不是請那個主記長陳主記長還有莊部長莊部長跟陳主記長委員好那個部長還有主記長委員好因為我們都知道 |
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我們最近我們希望這個核電核三廠能夠研議而且這個案子我們主動提出就是希望政府能夠去在這個研議以前甚至於未來政府希望能夠做一些檢查以後繼續使用因為核電是最經濟的電而且最乾淨的電 |
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現在全世界都把核電列為像綠電一樣目前台電我們已經從過去到現在已經撥補3000億給他了最近當然我們又要1000億但是昨天卓院長特別提說 |
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這一千萬要是不給的話他馬上又要漲電價其實給三千億從過去到現在而且也漲了四次我相信大家都很清楚不是沒有漲價但是你一個人員的政策你要是說沒有一個長遠性你台電這個窟窿是永遠補不滿的 |
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阿你們也沒有提出一個比較長遠的一個政策規劃然後就是也要漲價反正我們這次要是不給一千億你馬上說說要漲價要電價審議委員會要來做漲價的這個審議那我認為這個窟窿是永遠永遠填不滿阿政府又沒有提出一個好的政策主席長你有什麼看法你告訴我 |
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其實這個電價它是主要是動漲動漲它動漲也好幾次所以民生的電價它是動漲所以上次的動漲導致台電它有虧損虧損也補了三千億但是三千億上次那個是增資的部分所以這個部分是主要是彌補它動漲的一個虧損那我請問你這次要是一千億給了到底 |
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這個在未來會不會繼續漲價你告訴我因為上次動漲的虧損總共有兩千多億那所以我們是預計補兩千億但是目前如果說一千億那是補一半但是補一半也是比能讓他的情況更好那因為其他國外的話他漲得更多那我們是主要是因為民生的電價我們有動漲是這樣 主席長我們很清楚 |
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因為核電是最經濟的電一度只有一塊多那你因為你綠電風電光電我們都知道五六塊六七塊所以說台電只要給一度就是要虧損年年所以說每一年要補 |
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那而且是這個洞是永遠補不完我就舉個例子啦你像那個離岸風電夏天風氣不轉夏天用電最多家家戶戶都要用冷氣但是冬天啊當你不要用電的時候不要用那麼多電的時候 |
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24小時一直轉因為有東北季風嘛對不對光離岸風電一年就要虧損455億你去查我絕對不是亂講話20年就虧損9100億所以說台電那個窟窿是永遠補不完的啦那你今天要是沒有用核電安定的電而且經濟的電我認為啦 |
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3553.579 |
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政府拿不出一個比較好的方式你就揮霍家園就一句話整個把台電搞得他永遠是一個大窟窿而且是補不完喔主計長你身為主計那個莊部長你有什麼看法你告訴我跟委員報告剛剛對於台電的這個財務的狀況主計長您說的很清楚了我想在 |
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用電的部分不管是核電也好或綠電也好這設計都非常大的一個專業那昨天 |
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3605.571 |
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其實委員會包含經濟委員會跟財政委員會聯席會議裡面已經說得很清楚核電的運用第一個核安的問題還有核廢料的事情以及全民的共識這個都是要充分的一個考量的那其他的國家鄰近的國家沒有核安的問題嗎沒有這些問題嗎只有我們有嗎對不對其實我認為啦 |
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3611.175 |
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3634.588 |
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我們都知道那些核電那些光電風電是你要有關係你才能夠拿到那站在我的看法你今天這些就是因為要有關係都是綠油油的所以說他們長期啊你看賴金寧他有19家光電一年賺台電賺多少錢大家清清楚楚的嘛 |
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3635.308 |
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3650.039 |
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對不對這個不必掩飾也不必掩蓋我們今天是要解決問題這個是永遠存在的問題今天你不解決未來還是存在而且是一個大窟窿永遠補不完你要漲價要 |
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3652.24 |
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而且已經通過整個河管讓你能夠研議你只要把它檢查好繼續使用那我們政府偏偏就是不要老百姓有什麼看法老百姓認為說可能你就是因為要挺那些有關係的人讓他們能夠長期持有長期這個是他們最大的利益啊對不對所以說你不願意就是把核電廠來解套 |
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| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
3709.743 |
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老百姓是看不下去的講實在話我們希望說站在政府部會首長的立場你們要眼光放長遠一點要以老百姓他們為依歸我們是希望說因為你電要是便宜經濟會提升那你不要說用這個來卡這個講實在話人們是看不下去的那個莊部長外媒披露這個美國 |
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3711.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
3740.352 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
這是包括這個披露美韓財政官員以五月初商討匯率的問題那那個陳主席長在接受質詢時也說新台幣升值會讓台灣整個經濟成長表現會降低一些那如果突破彭淮南的黃線前年經濟成長率將下降下修到0.1%的百分點那我請問部長如果台美官 |
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3741.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
3748.334 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
這關稅貿易談判涉及匯率啊據財政部的立場你會主張有哪些談判的建議對於我們台灣和美國之間有關關稅政策的一個談判那這個部分的已經在5月1號由政府院長領軍到美國去做初步的一個諮商那我想後續呢會有一些更具體或更細節的一個交流跟 |
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3769.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
3776.176 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
討論我想這個部分那至於有沒有並沒有談到匯率的問題但是32多32塊多確實是降到30現在30.2跟30.5中間在徘徊那部長你認為未來我們新台幣要升值到多少才會對國內進出口業有負面的影響 |
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3793.302 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
3800.456 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
當然匯率的一個變動它事實上是按照市場的供需會有一個波動那我們也知道其實新台幣的匯率從27.5到33之間都有過 |
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3804.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
3819.208 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
那要看長期的一個趨勢如果是短期間的話那他的影響基本上不是非常的明顯但是這段時間你看那麼短的時間就馬上這個從32點多降到30幾乎30周邊在徘徊啦因為市場所稱的彭華樑環境就是新台幣28.5兌換一美元如果發生在會下修只要 |
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3830.353 |
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3839.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
降到28.5美元那個新台幣降到28.5對一美元那就下修0.1%的GDP啦那我請問你認為對財政部稅收又會發生哪些影響衝擊呢當然稅收會跟整個國際經濟情勢還有國內的一個經濟都會有關聯那央行那一天總裁也提了沒有所謂的澎華南防線 |
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3858.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
3867.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
那對匯率的部分央行也都持續在關注那對那一天的一個比較大幅度的一個波動他們也有做相關的一些措施 |
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3868.716 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
3893.676 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
4月稅收短少全球關稅談判未定再加上對經濟成長的預測又多次下調那請問你認為今年稅收不如去年是不是已經成定數你認為呢今年的稅收啊其實我們原來編的預算是超過去年13年的13年的時增數大概超過900多億我們在預算的編列上已經是有比去年的時增數來得高 |
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3894.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
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那以到四月來說的話對於全國的部分確實比去年同期有減少大概85億主要是證交稅的部分因為證交稅它的日均量 |
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原來我們所預估的也跟去年的日均量來的低大概目前1到4月日均量是3900多億而跟去年大概有到4600億是有差距所以說只有證交稅有影響其他都沒有影響嗎主要是我們現在看到的收的數字跟有影響的部分是證交稅其他的部分變動不大那至於像遺產稅跟證語稅這個都是屬於機會稅這個不能夠當作部長 |
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主席長目前還未定數啦因為怎麼講你看對岸他們硬幫幫死盤盤結果你看川普這邊他就降了而且降到讓人民有感但是我們的政府啊幾乎啦 |
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人家說要你站著你就趴著對不對啊人家要你坐著你就跪著講實在話真的最近我看那個社論啦評論啦評語啦真的對我們現在政府這樣操作方式齁真的極不能接受啦我們是希望說經濟要提升怎麼提升該硬還是要硬啦不是軟趴趴的人家講一我們做到三給人家那個不通的啦 |
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跟委員說明那對於關稅政策4月2號川普政府公布以後對等關稅台灣達到32%這個部分 |
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政府行政院緊急的提出了邀請各部會我們提出了支持方案對產業的一個支持就是穩定產業安定民心後續的諮商相信也會在於維持我們的產業競爭力的前提之下去跟美國做溝通另外對非關稅的貿易壁壘部分我們也會做好的一個安排 |
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你看那個日本韓國人他們也多硬我們從媒體各方面都看得清清楚楚的只有我們是軟趴趴的政府不應該有這種這樣的態度啦我希望你們要硬起來啦謝謝 |
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主席請財政部莊部長好請財政部委員好部長本來這個月是報所得稅的月但是因為這個美國提高關稅的問題為了因應稅你可以延到六月底才來申報但是以前有一個 |
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這個很方便的地方就是說我可以在電腦上面查詢我的這個應該要繳稅的這些應該要繳稅的這些稅額的資料那因為被動了這個預算之後之前有網友在網路上講說現在你們不提供這個電腦的連線服務說自己要向資本申請要向銀行什麼申請這些東西有沒有這樣的狀況 |
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第一個對於報稅部分沒有我們報稅部分一定是要讓民眾更方便至於剛剛委員提到我知道是好像是那個財產申報就公務人員的財產申報過往有可以透過去去他們透過去授權給監察院去查現在沒有經費了所以要大家用紙本而造成很大的一個困擾那在報稅的部分我們一定維持最好為民眾最便利的一個方式 |
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那今天的無論是書面報告還是專案報告如果真的能夠解凍完成經過院會通過之後那會有怎麼樣子的你們的這個業務啊各方面就都可以解凍不會受影響了嗎如果能夠解凍當然可以讓我們的業務後續可以持續推動因為如果不解凍的話我們後面就無以為繼那其實還有就是被刪的部分是 |
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更嚴重因為刪的沒有辦法回復了那尤其像政策宣導費刪了60%國內旅費刪20%等等很多被刪了以後我們現在就是一直用很非常節約集中節這個等等方式那凍結的部分如果讓我們解凍我們後面可以持續的一些推動如果不解凍的話就無以為繼了 |
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那之前為了那個財政收支劃分法你們過去有在找地方政府要去討論然後去收斂那一些公式的指標把那個比較多的指標收斂成比較少那當然本院在多數暴力之下就倉促的通過這個財政收支劃分法 |
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不過你們現在在進行這個業務有在繼續進行嗎有繼續在跟地方政府在討論這個指標如何能夠縮減然後如何能夠凝聚最大的共識來產生如何分配的這些的水平分配方面的這些觀念這個有聚焦嗎有繼續在做這個工作嗎 |
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確實我們在3月6號又再召開了一支會議包含專家學者跟地方政府來開會那對我們也把那個指標還有跟權重還有調整系統等等非常的細節都拿出來討論當然部分地方政府還是有不同的意見這個部分都還要凝聚共識這個確實是這樣所以還會再繼續繼續工作 |
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對那當然目前來說對於新版的財劃法所造成的相關的爭議包括中央跟地方這個財權分配但市權沒有做調整以及他會影響到中央的施政以及水平分配各地方政府之間沒有達到區域均衡發展的一個目的這個部分那行政已經決定要提出釋憲那目前來說我們財政部已經在進行相關的有關釋憲的前面的一個準備作業 |
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本院的兩黨聯盟是現在實質多數了然後他現在如果更進一步威嚇說你如果不屈從他就用刪你的預算 凍你的預算 找你其他的麻煩這個你要怎麼辦 |
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我想這個部分 山預算、洞預算最後受傷害的是人民因為政府存在要施政是為人民服務不管是稅務、官務、國務以及我們各項的業務都是為了民眾服務那山跟洞最後受傷的是民眾邏輯是這樣沒有錯 問題是他不顧這一些他就是要給你難看 要讓你施政困難所以就是用這樣的方式在找麻煩他現在不就事論事今天如果說在水平分配上面的指標繼續去進行 |
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你有這個業務上的需要,那你這個經費夠嗎?因為你還要再跟地方政府去開會啊確實是,當然我們需要經費才能夠去持續的推動那到底還要多,你自己估計還要多久的時間才可以把這個各項指標收容到你認為可以制定成公視的這個狀況 |
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就財政部來說當然在水平分配的指標部分我們去做詳細的規劃跟精進但是整體財化法來說我知道隨時分配事權分配那一部分你剛剛有講先不論那個光是橫向的這個水平的各個縣市政府之間的這個分配的指標還要你估計還要多久的時間才可以訂出一個比較比較有大家可能可以接受的標準 |
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我們覺得還是要持續的 至於時間的部分沒有辦法具體的做一個時間表我跟你說那個真的很困難啦確實是很困難馬政府八年 蔡政府八年 一樣都打不到這個因為只要談到分配每個人都希望自己的地方多分一些啦所以這個我是覺得已經把它完全做成政治的攻防要注意這一點 |
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你們要避免這個被操弄成政治的工法再來還有一點就是剛剛也有委員提到啦你今年的稅收狀況現在把你的時增數超過預算數如果超過3000億他還要立法要怎麼樣怎麼樣怎麼樣把你們行政院的預算權全部都要瓜分掉所以我就說再來我要求你預算編列你願略高你願達不到目標 |
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不要被他們這樣拿來政治操弄說三千億還稅於民還稅於民的定義是要還給繳稅的人啊怎麼被拿來這樣子分配呢這肉統政治嘛 |
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所以我是說其實我們中華民國是租稅法定主義這很清楚大家都知道財政部所收的稅每一毛錢每一塊錢都必須是法律有明定可以收的你才可以收嘛是的所以這沒有什麼超收的問題基本上就是法律規定該收的稅我收這個哪裡有超過 |
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我沒有一秒錢是不應該收的啊那所謂的超過的部分是超過預算數那預算是一個估計數我舉一個例子我小弟本人今年估計我今年預計我要賺兩百萬 |
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來養家活口結果到年底我一結算 哇 真不好意思喔今年業績比較好 或是我結到外快比較多上了比較多的電視 或是比較多的訪談 比較多的演講我變成收入210萬你可以說 那10萬塊是多拿的 那個都送給國家邏輯上這個就是不通嘛因為預算就是一個估計數所以我在這個地方講 他們老是要拿這個東西來做文章來做政治的官方 那你可不可以估計數估高一點 |
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那就避免掉這種無謂的政治工房在那邊無理取鬧啊是我想財政部在估這個稅客收入的時候每年都會根據相關的一些參數來估一定要何時來估稅客收入定的高然後收不到那個標準你們的這個財政那個國稅局的人會被懲處有這個規定嗎 |
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我想不會這樣子但是對整個財政資源的運用來說還是說你們的考積會把它打得比較差台北國稅局局長你的預算數你應該要收5000億結果你只有收到4800億答不到目標所以你的考積要打差有這個規定嗎當然不可以因為稅是按照法律規定來收的既然如此那何不我們把它高估 |
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那我們至少要估得高一點的話達不到 只收到98% 99%沒關係啊超過預算數現在變成有罪啊 |
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不能拿來操弄啦是 確實不應該就是因為事實上我們的時增數超過預算數並不表示財政有餘裕還有要看整體的一個稅出以及我們還要做債務還本財政有沒有餘裕是看他當時訂了什麼課題啦他今天要跟你講說國債很多的時候就說你財政很糟糕啦今天要什麼要做其他議題的時候就跟你講說要多很多啦要分回去啦 |
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所以這個是先有結論再找理由的啦先設見再劃把所以我是在這邊再次的懇求你我們寧願略為高估一點達不到目標那大家都知道為了要避免這種政治操弄嘛達不到目標也沒有人要去追究也沒有人去怪罪你會怪罪宋署長嗎你會怪罪五區國座局局長嗎應該不會吧大家都是名利人啊因為我們都是依照法律收稅的啊 |
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所以再來一個議題說現在要給你訂一個法律如果預算這個時增數超過預算數3000億以上那錢要怎麼花怎麼花他都幫你想好了 |
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是不好的對整個國家財政不是一個好事根本是完全沒有邏輯而且很奇怪就是利用秩序的落差利用一般人沒有那麼關心我們財稅的問題然後就說有一條錢喔好大一條我們大家來花吧大家拿刀來砍吧看誰能夠分到比較多嘛就是這樣子一個邏輯然後就說你看我幫你們多掙取了這麼多所以你們來感謝我啊我這名義代表當然很棒啊 |
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看起來邏輯就是這樣啊 這是很離譜的希望你們能堅持原則 加油好不好是 好 謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝秉瑞接著請賴思寶召委質詢謝謝主席以及各位行進我們有請財政部的莊部長請莊部長 |
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委員早 不能早我怎麼感覺好一段時間沒有看到你啊是 謝謝委員因為都出國去啊 去我菲律賓完畢就去米蘭啊正好這個有國際的會議 那個時間是排定的為國家做事啊 這個做的有意義是OK的啦然後我們來看你去米蘭開了亞營的年會 |
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名稱叫做什麼台北卡瑪恰納請賴清德總統不太對勒台北卡瑪恰納我們還是創始國勒然後呢 奇怪他的年費只要100萬美金我們奇怪 怎麼還特別去只要200萬美金 |
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規定只要100萬美金他這樣子歧視我們 矮禍我們請問你有沒有抗議啊當然我們一定抗議請問你開會的時候旁邊有一個牌子Under Protest這個部分我們都有發表聲明裡面你沒有用牌子要掛那裡啊抗議啊 |
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大會裡面做聲明的時候明確的表達我想這個更有更有讓大家所有參與的會員都能夠聽得到我們的不滿同時會後也有一份的會員國我問你啊他這樣子歧視我們愛化我們為什麼要交兩百萬啦是怎樣啦我想對於亞營的部分實際上請問兩百萬交了沒有名稱沒有能夠改兩百萬交了沒有有問題兩百萬交了沒有兩百萬交了沒有兩百萬目前來說 |
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第一個兩百萬被刪了一百萬嘛然後又被部分凍結所以目前並沒有交那這個部分事實上是我們是參與有一些交一百萬就可以了啦那對我們怎麼交新託基金的部分新託基金這個部分我們是對亞營部分我們也重於實質的參與跟相關的會員國互相的交流我們時間有限了請你請你簡短簡短喔現在你偷偷要交多少錢啊 |
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統計?沒有啊,這個部分就是這一年而已啊對,交一百還是兩百啦你被砍了已經只剩一百啦只剩一百喔,好啦一百可以啦,對,一百交得很好啦來,四月底你也跑去菲律賓重建他的租稅協定避免雙重課稅,這個是對吧 |
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我想這個部分我們持續對各國的簽署相關的避免雙重課所以我們都持續在努力這對各個國家都一直都在努力我講這個對不對我先問你我講這個對不對這個部分當然我們確實你去過了這不是什麼機密的努力但是後續還是要有相關的你去過了回來生效程序還要能夠完成生效程序還要完成去過了回來就要讓大家知道這是好事啊你怎麼會怕怕什麼 |
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不是 我沒回答這是好事你怎麼回來回來不敲鑼打鼓一下跟委員報告簽署之後還有後面的生效程序我們希望這個案子能夠成因此跟非方有相關的一些默契生效之前我們彼此低調處理什麼時候生效 |
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這個部分我想在他們的國會會做安排今年上半年可以生效吧這個部分跟委員報告涉及其他國家的國會我們在這裡說但是新南向有18個國家目前我們就有1800個國家其他10個什麼時候可以把它簽好新南向新南向講這麼重要 |
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對於其他國家簽署租稅協定我們都持續努力但是雖然是八個國家但是跟我們有貿易的一個金額是事實上這樣的比例是相當高的多高 |
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百分之九十投資率所以其他不簽沒關係啦也不能這樣講 不能這樣講我們還會繼續努力多簽 多簽啦 這個很重要的來 請主席長一起來謝謝委員支持 不過我們旅費被砍了百分之六十國泰旅費主席長你先不要走 兩位長關係啊來 |
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4954.304 |
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持續 最近大家關心一個題目阿拉斯卡 因為最近這兩天美國的財政部長被申退說台灣有非常好的提案我們都在想有夠讚 這是什麼大家就很想知道這是啥我就把它拆了 就是這個就是阿拉斯卡 |
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我們要跟他買啊 現在開始要買啊昨天這個經濟部次長已經證實簽了MOU我們每一年要多買600萬噸的天然氣從阿拉斯加但是他那個天然氣是從北極那邊下來的所以從北極下來到阿拉斯加的那個港口那邊 |
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總共是1200多公里這個管線要440億美金 |
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川普總統要韓國 日本 台灣三個國家買單日本 韓國到目前為止還沒答應喔他沒有說不答應啦 但是都還在考慮喔我們已經簽了MOU了我們就說 YES I DO沒有問題大丈夫所以美國當然高興啊這個不是公司咧 |
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你說我投資美國的公司我賺錢我可以拿這個盈餘回來 拿股利回來這不是欸 是美國的基礎建設我們就白白的替他蓋 花多少錢如果我們算三分之一 那就是150億美金我就請教主席長 |
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你敢有錢你敢有這個150億美金可以來替他們蓋這條拉這條管線主席長有沒有這個錢 |
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四千五百億新台幣左右像這種液化天然氣的東西一般是由那個營業單位來吸收啦就是說看他的需求多少所以有中油吸收喔中油就只剩下這樣還不吸收所以我們還是應該要衡量一下看是哪一個單位的需求我再跟兩位長官強調喔他不是公司 他今天如果是公司 |
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我們就投資你說未來他如果有賺錢我分一點回來這個可以考慮這個不是喔 這擺一擺 替他蓋就送給他然後從北極圈下來到阿拉斯卡這裡港口然後港口再運到台灣我們另外再買 600萬公噸那一部分 |
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買就買這個稍微的平衡台美的貿易順差逆差這個沒有人去分對可是這一段老實講這一段我們現在沒有錢啊老百姓會怎麼想啊你說這樣都不給我一人一萬塊你們計較得要命啊美國爸爸就要了四千五百億你就給他啦就變這個樣子不管誰出啊 中有出也是國家的錢啊 |
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對不對 中流也是國家的錢啊所以你以為營業單位 所以這個主計程你們看財政部 你知道這個東西嗎財政部長知道嗎詳細狀況我沒有去接收到你不進入狀況就對了 |
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這個只有兩個嘛 第一個稅金勝利或者是舉債嘛舉債替美國蓋他的基礎建設這個不是潘娜 什麼才是潘娜只是因為他是美國爸爸所以就無條件的一定要替他蓋這不是樣子所以你們現在來講的話 斤斤計較那個部長你可以先回去了我最後跟主席長有點對話了 |
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我可以跟你講的就是你斤斤計價一直講一百個理由一千個理由不給我們這個發現金你可以看喔GDP第一季吼有夠讚啦成長5.37第二季5% |
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這個都是因為大家怕關稅的問題所以提早出貨第三季說不知道平均薪資4.7萬你們最近公布的對不對4.7萬多啦最近公布的從中位數多少3萬8千多啦3萬8千9啦各位 |
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這個才是實際的啦平均薪資就變成說我們小百姓可能沒有收入低收入戶他跟首戶台灣最有錢的人加起來平均4.7萬哇 大家結果告訴我三分之二的勞工領不到平均薪資啊三分之二領不到平均薪資同樣的我們有一個國戶普查國家的財富啊平均數每一戶 |
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上個月底喔4月29日上個月底平均1889萬一戶各位好好看喔你家裡有沒有1889萬其實中位數多少中位數才800多萬而已啦所以數字我現在要強調的結論就是我們的平均薪資4.7萬你們剛公佈的可是中位數3.8 |
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我們的國庫大家一戶平均將近一千九百萬可是中位數只有八百萬左右我希望這個主席總署啊你們不能答應以後這兩個數字同時公佈我們是每四年啦 每四年公佈一次不是 你要同時公佈你要講國庫 我講那個公司啦 |
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好公知喔對啦 同時公佈兩個數字是好不好 否則你 喔 經濟有夠賺啊 喔 都還要拔七七喔 經濟有夠賺 土有夠賺4.7萬 結果3.8 中位數才有意義 |
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中位數才是 老百姓的感情 否則會想說 啊 老鼠喔 厚厚啊 現在我娘這麼小啦 4.7 我娘3.9而已啊3.9還比中位數高 公共委員 我們現在中位數也是每個月都公佈都公佈 阿不好 那個國庫評 兩個議事一樣 差這麼多 你看啊 每戶1900萬 結果中位數800萬 差這麼多 |
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主席有請好久不見的莊部長莊部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
委員好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
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部長這兩天大家都在討論說我們稅收的狀況看起來萎縮最多的大概正交15%另外我們這個房地合一稅說的大概是13點多然後13.8的部分是土增房地合一稅少了12.4大概是這樣子但是基本上都有機會達標對不對 |
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跟委員報告,這個裡面打總數的部分我們認為說應該也許可以達標要看五月六月的大宗的稅款以及下半年九月份的事業站腳稅款所以還會不會像超增四千多億你個人的看法 |
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5460.646 |
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跟委員報告今年度114年度我們編列的這個預算數已經超過去年的113年的10增數所以這個部分我們會認為收取的數字如果有超過預算數也不會超過很多 |
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不會超過很多就不會再有多位發現金的問題還是要再持續觀察不然的話今年又有炒發現金的問題我們的時增超過3700多億又出現這個問題那如果時增超過700多億的話那將來如果萬一不小心又短增的話是不是又要舉債又破壞財政紀律這個部長有機會的場合要講清楚 |
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昨天我還聽到一些立法委員說什麼日本因應這個關稅的衝擊要發現金日本人要發現金被罵的臭頭啊已經退縮了 擱置了 識破已經不敢再講了不要講一些片面的不正確的訊息來誤導民眾可是部長我讓你看一下雖然這個房地合一土增稅這個在下滑可是部長你有沒有看到 |
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有關於這個營業稅的部分特別關稅的部分在成長關稅的部分本席調出來中國跟香港的部分一到四月成長了13%那大家都很擔心這關稅為什麼會成長那麼快可能是因為傾銷跟起散地特別呢 |
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有關於這個塑膠的部分增加了25.5基礎金屬的部分27.6這台灣目前內需市場持續在萎縮的可是我們進口從中國進來所以持續成長另外就是消費的山西產品等等但它稅率相對比較低我看一個總體的數字 |
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部長十年以來兩岸的貿易依存度是創下新低可是十年以來中國進口到台灣的金額卻是成長加倍你有沒有覺得這有問題啊會不會兩岸的貿易關係以前我們依賴對岸比較多現在對岸在依賴我們比較多就金額上絕對金額是變兩倍變兩倍我覺得這兩倍的可能性是什麼依賴是起產地 |
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二來呢 是傾銷還有第三個原因待會兒本席要跟你講你這個數字的看法怎麼樣對 我們現在出口到中國大陸 包含港澳的其實比例已經一直降到四月底為止降了28%越來越低 已經低於30%曾經也高到40%以上所以我們已經往下降了 已經往下降了 |
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5629.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
那至於進口的總金額的部分提高當然剛剛委員也有提到因為其實我們要特別注意中國大陸的一些低價請銷因此針對於他們低價請銷所以我們這個部分才會讓整個中國進口的金額節節上升所以我們在與有關課徵反請銷稅的部分也持續都有在做不是有稅就好啦 |
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| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
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也可能會造成其他的傷害啊期產地的部分就是違規轉運的部分我們會加強的也許你們把關不足才會讓稅金增加啊不是稅金增加就有好事啊所以說呢除了啊這個期產地那個傾銷的問題之外還有一種呢就用合法延誤非法本席舉一個例子齁中國的這個鋁模板違法低價進口 |
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| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
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本來這個依照中國的鋁模板要輸入的話一來要來根據這個鋁製架構的部分來進行申報二來還有一些特別限制也就是說你要輸入台灣的部分台灣是沒有生產的你是有特殊少量的需求你才可以專案輸入這是第一個結果中國的鋁模板卻繞道違法繞道說把自己當成鋁模具 |
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從原來7%變成4%不說它根本不是模具嘛為的是什麼就是為的是可以進口嘛進口的部分呢就打擊到台灣合法輸入的這個廠商進口的廠商而且打擊到台灣的生產廠商 |
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| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
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有需要那麼多稅收嗎 部長有需要用合法 延伏合法的增加稅收嗎委員 我們絕對不會因為稅收而去改變這個有關這個可以進口的頁數量那這個部分要跟經濟部的國際貿易署要再討論你們要跟經濟部工業局跟國貿局來了解清楚徹底查辦本席就當場給你檢舉嘛 |
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5742.112 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
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這個你會搞不清楚嗎鋁模板是替代以前那些很容易造成建築廢棄物的木模板是相對先進的結果他把它當成模具差那麼多 |
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| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
5783.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
應該沒有那麼需要缺現金吧所以說我們現在中國進口到台灣的節節上增的稅金不是好事啊它會打擊到其他的產業啊會因小失大部長那你這個要怎麼處理至少有五家在違法進口至少有五家我們在會後會立即會和經濟部來做聯繫了解兩個禮拜之內給本席一個答覆可以嗎可以 |
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| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
馬上處理啊 是馬上處理接下來的部分呢這個有關於這個房屋稅 這個2.0 |
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| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
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開辦之後出現兩個問題一個是從自住改成非自住它系統計稅單就可以解決第二個就是有居住適時的認定一戶就可以了但是本席介紹不少先生尤其是偏鄉地區就是說他根本沒有辦法簽戶口他原來那老房子根本不可能住了所以他再買了另一個房子 |
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看起來好像有多屋 其實沒有 是假多屋增置住一戶而已本來我們一戶是期待說那1.2%降為1結果沒有所以1.2%就變3.6%從4000就變1萬2這種假多屋增置住的情況底下他一旦遷離了這一個他原來戶籍所在地他說你入籍就好啦他的農保 他的漁保就斷啊 |
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所以說他不願意遷離戶籍嘛可是說要承受這種高額的稅金部長 這是一個問題我私下有跟宋署長講過我只希望引以部長的高位要求宋署長跟五個國稅局五區的國稅局要加強輔導避免類似情勢的產生啊可不可以 |
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因為房屋稅是地方稅 這個部分我們會請署裡面但是地方是我們立法我們會跟地方政府來加強的宣導你去溝通宣導一下嘛避免什麼樣的方式會造成民間的困擾會加強宣導電話接不完接下來部長 我就教於您了這兩天討論也非常的多 |
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有關於這個公務航空庫的總量管制的部分我不過是問一個換屋族對換屋族有所打擊而已那當然引來各方四面八方的一個消息說要求這個十大建商的這個貸款餘額把它壓低而且要財政部按月管考我問一下財政部有沒有怎麼做 |
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我想因應這個房地產之前幾年一個非常熱絡然後造成房價的一個上漲我想民眾都非常覺得非常覺得希望政府要有所作為那我們會認為對於建商的部分不要把我們的央行也希望不要把金融資源 |
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希望把十大建商的貸款餘額下降 |
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這不是央行要求是你自我要求的啦對 當然在大目標之下我們必須要有所措施跟作為這個是好的資本集中過度於建商那槓桿操作空間很大會影響系統化風險那是危險的這是第一第二呢你壓低之後呢可是你設定一個自然人的新增貸款額度不能高過於還款額度自然人的還款額度會很少啦老師說啦 |
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你知道這是央行規定的 你不要往後看 我直接跟你講好了你要如何把這個量能來做一個移轉啊你把法人壓低的這個籌碼來釋放給患無主現在患無主現在屬於高的這個最低級來超過三千一萬戶三萬一萬戶的這個交務潮 |
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這個交屋潮這麼多也就代表換屋潮很多所以換屋潮的這個部分一般而言大家銀行都不願意承借公股銀行甚至傳出 我現在點名傳出土銀不願意承作這個換屋貸款你去調解一下 有人來跟我檢舉所以因為太麻煩了 簽卸結束幹嘛幹嘛他就不願意了 |
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拜託欸 你公股銀行你要去煽進你的ESG欸這個換屋你居然還管要拒絕這是第一個所以什麼時候去處理這些問題你很重要你把那個集中數降低我肯定你十大這個建商槓桿操作幅度不一定夠高這是第一個要處理的事情但是呢有一些換屋族不應該手續過度的繁瑣而影響他個人的權益他可能會斷頭欸 |
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可不可以影響跟那個原來那個建商之間的糾紛部長你知道我的說法我的意思嗎我知道你這個部分能不能做一份這個檢討報告給本席可以那我想自然人的部分本來就央行就有信用管制對於手購族我們是不限制但是對於換物族他必須要有相關的一個作業因為換物族我知道你怎麼知道 |
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第二戶第三戶還是要換戶所以他必須要有個切解這個部分必須依照央行的規範來做你只要符合央行的規範我就可以犯但是如果不能說符合規範而不願意待放這個部分我們再來進一步的了解我覺得本席希望你在這法人跟自然人的部分的區別跟能量的配置有一份報告給本席好的謝謝好謝謝謝謝各位的諮詢下面請賴會員召會諮詢請 |
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我想今年的總預算凍結數高達1381億 |
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那叫前三年的平均凍結數是140億那大幅增加了就是1241億比前年就是比大概就是平均的前三年增加了9倍 |
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這麼大量的一個預算的一個凍結那其他的部會我不要講我就光講說我們立法院的司機還有工友今年到現在為止他們都還沒有領到加班會 |
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那我們也希望就是說今天的這個整個那個凍結這個預算的一個解除我們可以在一個比較平和的狀況之下大家就是共同的這個來那個處理一些案子 |
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那部長我想從2025年的首得稅的一個新制裡頭這個其實首得扣除額已經是大幅的一個提高甚至就是把黃屋的租金也改列為特別扣除額那它有18萬的一個額度 |
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那這個其實都是一個得證那我們從免稅額跟扣除額隨著物價的調整這個是本席根源所做的一個建議有沒有機會就是說這一些守得稅法裡頭就是第五條的第一項還是第五至一條的第一項裡頭他寫得非常的清楚就是說我們 |
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需要扣除這些薪資所得還是說身心障礙那個特別的一個扣除額有沒有機會我們把這個扣除額前面納入就是隨著物價調整的一個機制的一個可行性那用稅市的一個那個支出來做調整啊部長你怎麼看 |
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這個部分對於法條裡面有隨著物價調整的部分我們都有做像譬如說像薪資所得特別扣除或身心障礙特別扣除都有做這樣的調整還有標扣免稅都有 |
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是那如果有沒有辦法全面性呢全面性的部分我想這個部分包含像您提的有像目前沒有的就是房屋租金的特別扣除額沒關係這個部分我們再來 |
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那個就是一個月內給我一個書面的回覆因為我想就是說如果我們把它全面納入就是隨物價調整的話這個應該是會加惠更多的我們的國人這個是一個好事情 |
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我們提一個書面報告給委員謝謝委員部長我想我注意到就是說匈牙利總理在目前他推出推出了一個歐洲最大的一個減稅的一個計畫他非常的自豪就是說他在這一個 |
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減稅的計畫裡頭有一項我覺得就是說因為我們國家少子化還有就是說我們雙薪家庭其實我們很多女性也必須要就是出去工作那有沒有機會就是說我們逐步對生育就是她生了兩個孩子還是三個孩子的那個媽媽 |
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那他還是投入了一個職場的工作去實施終身免繳個人薪資所得你覺得這一個提案你認為你怎麼看呢 |
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對於鼓勵少子化的對策我想有各個部會都有相關的一個作業那譬如說在我們的所得稅制裡面對幼兒學前特別扣除就六歲以下的孩子包含六歲的孩子那麼我們對他的扣除其實已經從每年12萬提高到15萬而且扣到小孩子第二個第三個更高我現在講到的是說 |
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是從媽媽本身媽媽本身的一個薪資扣除了我們有沒有機會就是去調整那如果我用胸牙利就是跟我們台灣我們來比一比的話胸牙利基本上它有40%的人是信奉天子不教 |
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所以就是說你看他960萬人那他的女性人口數是498萬人那他生了三胎以上的是25萬人那相對的就是我們台灣2340萬人我們的女性那個人口數是1187萬人那我們生三胎每年才1.2當然就是說這個基本上他的換算換算的一個就是 |
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這個那個換算的方式是不一樣啦不過我就是簡單的讓你來做這樣的一個比較他們總理非常的自豪他說如果你是我的女性的一個就是國民的話你生的越多的時候我給你扣更多的一個稅你覺得有沒有道理 |
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我想委員對於就是說希望鼓勵多生小孩那給予在稅制上的一些優惠那各國也都有不同的制度那在我們這裡有幼兒學前特別扣除是有的那第二其他的譬如說衛福部等等都有相關的一些政策 |
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至於委員所建議的就是說終身薪資所得稅的可以把它減的話那比如說像我的孩子都已經自己都出去獨立成長自己成家的話這是不是適宜我覺得我這個部分我們是不是提一個書面報告給委員也謝謝委員提供這麼詳細的資料 |
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如果就是你每一年就是政府幫你的那個所得稅額扣掉的話再減的話那就是政府給你的紅包啊給我終身的紅包我謝謝委員對於這個資料的提供在我們那個世代生小孩我們覺得是天命在現代的這一個世代的女性她認為就是生小孩是她一個負擔 |
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所以就是說我們有沒有機會試著就是說有一些創新不同的一個概念我們操作這個目標然後我也希望就是說影響的稅收是多少你大概評估一下謝謝委員的提議我們來提供書面的資料給委員大家可能會就是 |
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更願意我們所有女性更願意付出更多那這個部長再接著就是五大行庫新成做的黃帶的金額的一個降低那為什麼會降低是不是可以你在這個就是媒體上我們看到了就是說會降低的元素就是在這個 |
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武大航庫的第一季第一季加起來大概是2382億可是今年的第一季才2075億它的確下滑了13%可是這個新清安的熱度在比一般的黃帶就是說它所承銷的一個金額承作的一個金額大幅的衰退那個部長你認為這是什麼原因 |
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第一個房市的熱度已經有降溫了第二個新青安大概購買的都是首購族是一個剛性的需求所以慢慢也往下走因為新青安大概是要到明年的七月底就結束了我想這個部分另外就是說我想大家第一季的部分也有部分是受到過年時間的一個影響我想這個都有一些因素在裡面 |
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好那另外對於所謂的人頭戶或什麼出租的我們都在強力的一個查緝那這個部分也遏阻了一些投機的一個作為好就是說你認為說首購的已經出場了那投機的其實我們也加以 |
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加嚴加緊的再控管了所以就是說這一個新清安的還貸它確實就是退燒你認為是很合理的可是說這個到2026年7月才落日欸那現在退的這麼快這個政策到底有沒有需要檢討咧 |
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我想新青安的目的是協助沒有自住房屋的朋友們來購買首購的房屋那政府降低他們在前期的一個資金的一個負荷所做的那都是一些剛性需求能夠買到他自己的第一間房子我想是很好的 |
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後續這個政策要不要怎麼樣做我們再來做觀察我們再觀察部長跟你分享一個情況就是說我們聽說就是在我們的分行對新青安的換款 |
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一季它只能分配到4千萬的一個額度那4千萬的額度的話就等於是說一個分行它只可以做4間新清安這個是不是事實咧 |
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我想這個部分是不是委員可以提供具體的是有哪一個分行或哪家銀行的分配額度讓我們能夠了解所以基本上就是說你還沒有聽到這個消息因為可能銀行內部的作業內部的他們自己額度配合那我需要請委員可以提供我們具體的資料所以這不是財政部的一個不是財政部下令的 |
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只是分行在自行調整就是說他的整個黃袋的一個那個作業 |
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第一個就是說對於不動產的放款本來我們不希望金融資源過度的集中所以它有一些比例那這個貸放比例的話央行有非常關注從去年就開始關注我們也請各銀行要注意不能把資源過度集中在這裡所以他們一定會額度的控管至於分到各個分行以及新清安的購屋者他沒有辦法能夠貸款的話這個部分我們再進一步的了解 |
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那也在這裡請那個拜託部長就是說目前的五大行庫可乘坐那個購置住宅貸款的一個額度還有辦理住宅建築跟企業建築換款的總額暫換款時候所收存的一個總額的金額跟金融債券花售的一個花售的一個比例在兩星期內提供給北溪一個書面的回顧好的謝謝是謝謝委員是謝謝 |
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好謝謝張偉德質詢下面請閻寬文委員質詢包委員閻寬文委員質詢之後我們休息10分鐘好謝謝主席主席有請我們財政部莊部長委員好 |
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部長早等一下我們賴朝偉新的指示休息20分鐘好謝謝謝謝主席部長早部長早部長今天是5月15號了那之前有提到說延長報稅時間到6月30那我想目前的報稅的狀況如何可不可以請部長稍微說明一下 |
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謝謝委員那目前來說中所報稅的情況中所稅的部分到5月11號為止已經完成申報是252萬戶大概是完成了40%那當然跟去年同期來比較的話事實上是減少了那我想因為延長一個月的時間所以民眾的申報時間就比較寬緩一點也許會稍微晚一些來申報那目前是完成申報的是40%那收稅的情況呢 |
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這個稅款的進來可能不會是馬上就會進來有些是用刷信用卡或轉帳這個部分我們會等到這個五月底六月底到六月底以後我們會再做一個統計跟計算 |
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今年申報的調整算是蠻多的有免稅的調高、扣除的調高還有特別扣除的調整那財政部能夠把這些都調制好避免說民眾減少後續一些納稅人的一些重複申報造成不必要的困擾這個部分再請部長多注意 |
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是的 謝謝委員的提醒那我們再回到今天解凍報告的部分其實你們很早就寫好了這些解凍報告我們還是很慶幸就今天進來了終於在今天送進來了我們就儘速審查 儘速解凍那在這之前請部長簡短說明一下5月4號遠赴義大利米蘭參與這個亞洲開發銀行就是ADB的年會那大概會議的內容還有有達成什麼樣的共識嗎 |
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跟委員報告ADB的理事年會是每年召開一次那在這個理事年會之前我們都會有相關的一些雙邊的會談跟譬如說我去拜會總裁那總裁是今年新任的 |
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那對於總裁新任我們這個部分也提出第一個我們是創始會原國我們對於亞營的不管是義務跟責任我們都盡了相關的責任跟義務那因此呢我們希望他們給予我們平等的一個對待這個我們提出的需求第二個我們也希望 |
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亚营到台湾来做这个人才说明会我们希望我们有更多的青年朋友能去投入亚营的工作那投入亚营工作以后等于是替我们的国力往外延伸所以这个部分我们希望他们能够积极的禁用我们台湾籍的青年朋友们进入亚营去做工作那也希望我们有更多的机会在亚营里面跟其他国家一起做相关的交流跟合作 |
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對 部長你剛剛提到了我們盡了我們的責任跟義務那當然我看到說我們財政部114年編列的認捐ADB的這個信託基金是200萬美金那比 |
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以往捐贈了100萬美金多出一倍那這些捐贈我想請教部長說在解凍報告書裡面你們提到說這個歷年捐助的情形跟理由並無捐助增幅過高的情況 |
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從一百萬變兩百萬,增額是百分之百那不是台幣,是美金,這樣不算增幅過高嗎?還是說財政部的增幅過高的定義是什麼?跟委員報告,我們這個捐助的是國內資源調配信託基金這個信託基金的組成,第一個是日本 |
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日本他累計已經捐助了1267萬的美金那我們是在111年的時候捐助100萬那這個部分呢我們希望在這個慶多基金裡面可以增加一些捐助然後跟我們的友邦國家可以做更多的交流譬如說我們跟帛琉這個部分我們協助他們去做相關的稅政上的一些資源包含我們的 |
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怎麼樣借營業稅怎麼樣課徵等等以及的資訊系統所以今年呢我們就本來原先要捐助兩百萬但是已經被刪了一百萬只剩一百萬而且又被凍結了八百萬所以這個部分其實相較於日本所捐助的款項來說他們已經捐到一千兩百六十七萬那我們之前只捐了一百萬那這次我們希望他們也希望我們能夠 |
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能夠多捐一點然後讓這個亞營的一些弱小以及開發中的國家能夠有更好的一些資源那我們覺得我們有許多的人才也可以藉著捐助這樣的一個信託基金去協助周邊的一些開發中的國家幫助他們做一些建設 |
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我認為說台灣的實力是世界都看見的那其實透過這樣子捐錢的方式去做這樣子的有點像討好討好那在你們報告書裡面說提到了很多說加入這個DRMTF的優點穩固邦誼啊培養國際稅務人才等等 |
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那是不是就是說這100萬美元然後變成200萬提高成200萬它就會增加更多的優點那過去捐100萬的時候沒有這些優點嗎還是說有什麼對等的利益實質效益是什麼 |
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一百萬基本上是門檻是最低門檻所以我們這一次希望能夠兩百萬的話第一個就是如同委員剛剛說台灣的實力是世界所看見的我們成為國際社會的一員而當我們有能力的時候我們可以多參與以及多做協助那麼讓我們可以參與更多的一些在亞營裡面我們本來沒有辦法參加的一些組織我們可以藉著亞營這樣的一個平台去 |
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先來說你在報告書裡面有寫到說ATB用不當的方式稱呼我們的部分那你就有參與這個會議然後跟ATB嚴正的抗議那希望恢復我們正式會籍的名稱那這個做到了嗎他們承諾了嗎 |
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第一個我們藉用各種機會比如說跟總裁會面的時候我們也會提出這樣的一個要求那同時在理事年會的時候我們也會嚴正的做聲明那我想在場的會員國會聽到之外其實他這樣的一個理事年會的發言都會上他們的網站是世界看到的我覺得我們持續的發聲可以累積我們的一個能量是不是每年的理事會都有這樣子提出我們每年理事會都會提出 |
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但是我們也沒有看到友邦有替我們提案友邦有沒有提到提案這涉及到國際政治上的一些問題但是我們希望我們一定要能夠出席然後要發聲讓世界聽到抗議是必然必要的但是說我們不能夠當人家的ATM尤其說先矮化自己我不是說怎麼樣我意思說我們不可以不然就會跟台積電赴美投資一樣 |
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自己先把大禮送給人家送到家門口然後呢得不到我們希望得到的一個對待或者是一個條件所以如果說這個ATB不願意為我證明那我們怎麼辦呢 |
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我們能做什麼呢?因為你已經承諾了嘛我第一個證明這件事情我們持續的努力但是我們透過實際的參與可以提高我們參與這個ADB的一個能量然後也可以派助人員在ADB裡面進行相關的工作 |
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那部長我可不可以要求說如果沒有得到一個正式的回應或者是我們提出的要求得到一些回報一些相對等的回報那你可不可以承諾說不再額外增加捐助金額 |
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我想這個我覺得不需要做這樣的因為我覺得實質的參與我們能夠正式參與國際組織的機會不多我們應該要積極的參與好嗎好謝謝再請教部長這個促參的部分這個凍結的原因是到113年8月底這個促參案件提前終止契約比例是12.01%比例很高 |
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那看了你們這個報告主要是因為民間機構違反企業約定這部分就佔了67%那因為這些BOT、ROT、OT等都是公司協力的部分那難以預料說這些私部門就是民間企業在合作過程當中會不會產生各式各樣的狀況但是我們還是要說就是涉及畜牲基本上都是大工程都是大工程那一旦延誤會造成整個延宕那個是這個 |
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會造成整體公共建設的計畫會造成一個很大的影響所以說我想部長針對這個事情是不是可以提供更多具體的防範措施或者是一個改進方案讓這些大型的出差案的監管機制能夠更健全 |
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謝謝委員的提示我想促參市公司協力然後加速公共建設提升公共服務這是它的目標但是違約的情況呢就是終止契約這樣的一個情況呢我們其實都有把每個案去分析它的原因然後避免重複發生這樣的一個情形這個部分我們促參市一直持續的在做 |
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同時對我們對參與促參的不管是政府機構或民間機構我們都有相關每年都有相關的培訓然後我們也把優質的案例提供給各個機關讓他們來做複製跟模仿那減少這種中途終止租約而影響到公共建設推動我想委員最主要目的就是不要因為終止契約而影響到公共建設的推動如何從錯誤裡面或者說 |
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來防治這未來的情況 謝謝委員提示我們這個持續都努力在做的好的 謝謝部長 加油好 謝謝 謝謝寬恆委員那主席在這裡先步我們先暫時休息30分鐘 謝謝 |
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好 我們繼續開會 接下來有請李委員燕秀質詢請李委員 昆城準備是 我是不是可以邀請部長 莊部長 謝謝好 請莊部長 |
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委員好 部長好 部長午安最近是報稅的季節了我想報稅上面都會遇到相關的問題陸陸續續開始浮現很多民眾都開始有很多的疑問那我們辦公室服務處其實長期有協助報稅的服務站所以有一些問題我想透過今天的答詢我想把它進一步釐清 |
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尤其是房屋稅2.0從去年7月份開始實施之後從今年5月份陸陸續續很多民眾都開始申報但是都因為涉及的要件而引起一些問題因為我們現在都以涉及為唯一的標準首先是有一些社區大樓他們的住戶停車位我們現在停車位很多都是跟 |
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房子是兩張不同的產權以前早期的都是停車位跟房子就是一張產權所有權都是只領到一張那我們現在很多房子我不知道為什麼我還沒有釐清為什麼但是很多停車位它就是一張獨立的產權然後房子建物它是一張產權就會收到兩張產權的所有權狀 |
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那結果被視為非自用住宅的課稅導致一般住戶要繳兩張稅單一張是以自住的稅率1.2%來計算另一張是以2%計算車位的房屋稅這個是我在做服務的時候我親自聽到會計師站在我旁邊民眾跟他陳情那這種做法是不是有失公平 |
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那一般停車位跟獨立產權停車位產生了不平等的問題那這個後續到底怎麼去做處理是不是可以回應我是謝謝委員反映這樣的一個事情那我們也知道這樣的因為在新北市因為它對於有獨立產權的部分因為 |
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因為獨立產權車位不會去設戶籍在裡面一定設在我的主建物裡面嘛那所以造成剛剛委員說變成非自住房屋那我想這個部分新北市政府他會收集相關意見那我們財政部基本上認為就是說你主建物是自住的話你的車位其實是附屬跟這個主建物在一起不管他有沒有單獨的件號或單獨的權狀 |
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都應該是這個跟隨的這個組建物如果它是自住那麼這個車位就應該當然也算自住不應該有兩套不同的課稅標準不因為它是否有單獨建號或非沒有單獨建號而有不同因為應該跟著組建物 |
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是 謝謝部長您的答覆您現在的答覆就非常的明確那這個事情不只有新北市我覺得因為這全國是一致的標準那所以是不是部長我們會不會統一的韓市或裁量來去做指引給全國我們地方的稅務機關並且就是說我覺得應該要趕快因為現在已經是報稅季節了 |
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我知道那這樣部分我們財政部就主動再來做一個函式讓地方政府可以有所遵循那也跟委員報告因為這個房屋稅差別稅率2.0是今年5月第一次開徵過往是各縣市做歸戶這是全國總歸戶 |
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發生了一些地方政府有一些不同的認定那我們會持續的在收集資訊然後能夠含附的比如有寬廣期限寬緩比如到6月2號都已經先趕快發函式那在整個報完以後我們會整體做個檢討然後把它把就是說讓大家認定可以一致而並 |
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因為我想透過今天的質詢我想媒體就會知道你會盡速的含釋下去但是我還是有一個問題啊我現在比如說我已經收到稅單了你已經要叫我繳兩個不同的稅 |
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我到底是繳還是不繳我不繳我怕到時候會有滯納金的問題所以到時候譬如說我是乖乖的不管你是怎麼算我%數不管是不是一致我是不是先繳了你再退我稅還是怎麼樣怎麼去做處理我們要不要說清楚因為稅單已經收到了嘛是 你已經收到稅單對不對那像台北市政府一樣他就已經重新開稅單重新開的話他的期限就重新計算重新計算往後延後 |
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延後 第一張你就不要去交 你就交第二張好 部長這是台北市 因為我現在質詢不會只問台北市是不是全國都會重新開稅單因為有些人收到我不知道會不會有什麼其他的疑義的問題現在到底怎麼處理要有一致性因為我怕到時候有些人不講台北市他會等 |
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那我如果住在桃園市我如果住在苗栗縣會不會有不同到底會不會重新開我不知道因為你現在得到資訊台北市會重新開委員我們在韓市的時候同時要說清楚就是說你開的跟我們像韓市內容不一致的部分要重新開然後讓他重新計算繳納的期限好嗎這樣子我覺得您的提議我們會把它納入然後在韓市裡面說清楚 |
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大家知道說我必須等第二張稅單因為有些人你剛剛說台北市會有第二張稅單那我就清楚了那桃園市會不會有我們就不知道所以他就會等我們就一致的把它說清楚好的 謝謝部長謝謝委員的提醒 |
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那部長我第二個問題就是說不只是房屋稅所造成的影響而且不只有停車位的問題就是說現在包括很多身心障礙者車輛我們今年使用牌照減稅的部分有放寬 |
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那現在很多的我們現在放寬就是所有二等親如果家裡有身心障礙者的話都可以去申請牌照稅的減免但是很多人都為了自住的認定的標準他就把戶籍簽出去了譬如說我接到一個陳情的住戶譬如說他們其實兄弟哥哥是有身心障礙 |
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兩戶其實是連在一起但是本來是他們兩個住在一起所以他有那個車子的牌照所以可以見面但是為了自住他其實是本來其實他就是住在他自己的房子裡面他戶籍遷出去所以我不講我要建議的是有時候我們用 |
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唯一的戶籍來去認定就是他是不是居住在一起的標準我覺得這樣的判斷就是說有一點太單一我舉例來說好了譬如說在國外很多就是住的很近但是譬如說他車子是改裝過了他是負責載他父親去醫院進進出出他就住在隔壁從車子就可以看得出來所以 |
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就是說我覺得還有什麼其他認定的標準而不是以單一戶級來去做認定我剛剛覺得那個例子就是我的陳情人他們其實是住在同一個樓層隔壁兩戶但是他確實他弟弟是要長期負擔 |
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當他哥哥的司機在他醫院進出車子也有改裝那但是他確實也他確實是為了這張檢測牌照稅把他的跟他哥哥戶籍放在一起問題是他變得失去他自己原來是自己自住的房子他變成非自住的課稅的標準 |
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所以我才要提說我們是不是唯一很多的減免包括車輛牌照稅的減免身心障礙牌照稅的減免我們既然有放寬我們是不是不要以唯一非涉及不可 |
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我這個陳情人他長期就是住在隔壁而已那他為了這個牌照稅的減免然後他失去他自己課稅自住的標準好像也不合理所以有沒有什麼其他的認定的方式譬如說在美國他們就是以就是說我車子改裝了他確實就是一看就是知道說他就是在身心障礙者的那種車子就是說還有沒有什麼其他認定的標準可以放寬可以來去做這方面的思考 |
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9606.27 |
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我們既然已經放寬身心障礙者牌照稅減免的認定那可不可以不要用涉及為唯一的標準是我今天的問題 |
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9631.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
在認定上我們要有一個客觀的標準所以我們會採用戶籍而且是本人配偶或同一個戶籍二親等以內當然說我支持二親等以內至於委員剛剛說比如說他弟弟改裝車子為了接送哥哥但是弟弟因為要跟哥哥去設在同一個戶籍以至於喪失他的住宅的自用住宅的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
9633.018 |
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9661.137 |
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稅率的一個優惠的部分那其實自用住宅優惠稅除了本人 房屋所有權人本人之外他的配偶或他的實際經費在裡面設計也是可以適用的我知道 部長我再轉回來說或者是說車子本來那輛車子可以用那個身心障礙者的牌照稅的減免就沒有了嘛就失去了他的原意嘛所以我才提出說類似像這樣的不同的案例個案很多所以我要提的是既然我們有放寬身心牌照稅的減免 |
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9662.538 |
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9675.393 |
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那我們現在還是以涉及為二清等我支持用二清等但是用涉及為唯一還有一個標準在所以我覺得還有沒有什麼其他的客觀的標準可以來去做評量 |
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9705.739 |
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還是局長你可以回覆我對這個第一個是牌照稅法裡面的規定那當然你說法律也不是不能修但是我覺得這個客觀上還是要有個客觀的一個標準那委員您所提供的一個您的具體案例是怎麼樣我們是不是您可以提出來我們看看有沒有什麼方式可以來部長我其實不需要處理個案比如說我的女兒比如說我是身心障我女兒就住在我隔壁為了就近照顧我 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
9706.707 |
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9729.865 |
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那他的車子希望載的那輛車子希望有機會來去做牌照稅的解免那輛車子也是長期譬如說在接送我做這個看醫生啊等等所以我的意思是說這個部分有沒有機會我們再去多一些認定的標準而不是用設計為唯一的標準 |
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9732.549 |
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9742.933 |
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是想要解決民眾他的期待但是這政府機關做事我們當然我想如果有相關的一些事實我們是不是可以來協助他我覺得可以多一些從寬的認定我同意周延的認定我沒有要處理 |
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9750.415 |
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9766.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
但是我覺得法律一條線我覺得應該要有不同的方式去處理有時候我們也會從個案裡面去看到一些可能的狀況來演繹所以在個案的部分我覺得可以去收集起來我們來做一個看看到底情況是怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
9767.681 |
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9795.219 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
來去做一些調整我們再看怎麼樣的來做研議我覺得因為這個情況我們知道但是其實房屋自住的一些認定我現在第二段是講牌照稅減免的認定因為牌照稅會影響到他自住房屋的稅率所以他兩個之間變成他在抉擇上的一些問題對我知道我們還是從事實上面去做認定跟處理看有什麼樣的工具跟手段先看一下他的情況謝謝部長 |
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9798.049 |
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9801.352 |
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好 謝謝李委員 謝謝莊部長接下來有請李坤城委員質詢謝謝主席我們先請這個主計長好 有請主計長 |
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9825.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
9832.678 |
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委員好主席總書在4月30號有公布今年的第一季的經濟成長率這個說這個有5.37%成長率加5.37%是這一年來的新高然後呢 |
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你們有講說如果第二季到第十季的經濟成長率維持二月的預測數第一季已經出來了嘛那如果二到四次屬於這個維持你們二月的一個預測數全年的經濟成長率會上修到3.6%較前次的預測高出0.46個百分點 |
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那這個剛好跟我們之前你們的預估說這個經濟成長率比如說因為對等關稅的關係或是說預算的一些影響有可能經濟成長率沒有辦法到二保二都有困難那這個兩個月的這個過程你們的預估會上修我想請教一下這個主席處的這個預估的這個情況這個基礎在哪裡 |
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9907.759 |
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現在主要是因為剛開始這一季都是有一些急單的作用所以它的一個經濟成長就整個一個往上浮動那一般原則上你說因為關稅的關係所以大家在第一季就拉貨急單拉貨的關係所以它就往上那有可能這個效果會在第二季也一樣會出現啊 |
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9926.988 |
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有可能但是我們是這樣子我們是每一季就會估算一次每一季就一年估算四個季那我們大概在5月28會再做估算但是你如果用實算的算出來3.6是因為目前等於說把目前的關稅一些因素沒有考量進去 |
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9948.387 |
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那所以我們在5月28的時候我們會有一些專家學者會進來那就會有相關的一個數據會提供然後會再來重新預估一個新的數據那因為我們本來當初預估的是今年是3.27嘛那但是因為去年它又本來4點多又往上到4.59 |
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所以4.59的結果他往上撐我們這個就必須下修所以又下修到3.14所以我們整個一個數據啊都必須根據相關的一個狀況來做修正但是修正都必須經過專家學者討論跟下預估跟下預測點而不是說按現在的狀況直接去預估那主席長有沒有比較有信心保三呢 |
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9975.291 |
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9989.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
上次講說連寶二都有問題現在看到這個前兩季的情況有信心今年年度是個寶三嗎因為我們看一下最近大家在關稅上一個大家去協調的一個結果其實狀況是都是還不錯的啦如果是這樣的一個情況下我們想說它並不會影響的很大 |
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| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
所以這個部分還是必須要看影響的因素那重點就是有一些除了我們這個之外還有一些息產地的問題那息產地的問題也會影響到我們所以除了不是只有關稅的問題所以這個部分有些問題是要考慮的因素蠻多那我們會請專家學者來共同來討論然後做出一些預估出來我是說那個如果主席長按照您的這個預估的話保佔有沒有機會 |
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保三如果以目前關稅的狀況保三是有點困難但是我們保三還是有點困難還是覺得有困難因為當初最初的預估是嚇到一點多這樣子的一個狀況是比較但是還不至於但是是不是一定能保三這我就不太敢有把握 |
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因為我們現在是10%的關稅然後當然在7月中都會知道說到底是會課幾%嘛那有人說是10%到30%之間啦因為中國目前是30%那所以說那你們有預估說那如果是在30%之內的話還是會有影響對當然會有影響啦那對於這個GDP的影響會有多大你們有去估算嗎10% 20% 30% |
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10073.696 |
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10092.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
這個目前還沒有估算我們大概在5月28這一次會做一個大整理然後之後會有一些比較有相關數據的一個再做估算好 那我再請教一下目前這行政院有提出這一個特別條例4100億的那這其中我們昨天也討論過這1000億是要撥補這個台電的那看起來這個在野黨這1000億是不想讓他過關那如果這1000億沒有辦法過關的話那你們有去算過對於這個物價波動對CPI的影響 |
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10102.587 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
10103.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
然後對於這一個GDP的影響勒 |
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10104.693 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
10133.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
因為這個部分坦白說台電也有算一版那我們也有算一版本我就聽你們的版本台電的那個版本我是覺得他是說純粹如果說他就是讓那個家用的去上漲的話他大概全年會增加就是每戶全年會增加7000戶就是每一戶的電費會增加625我們自己估算是比較低 |
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10135.32 |
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10152.707 |
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就是說一個月是增加625那全年大概是7500那你們自己估的那是一戶喔那是電費啦那我們自己估的是比這個還低啦差不多將近3500啦3500是指一戶的電費嗎那對於這個CPI的影響呢對於CPI的影響的話大概是0.31左右0.31那我們現在都是維持在2左右嘛 |
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10189.668 |
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大概影響0.31個百分點所以應該就會突破2了接下來如果說因為地價漲造成通膨也漲物價也漲我們昨天都有算過啦到底對於人民的荷包影響有多大你們算過這樣一年大概影響有多大 |
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| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
10216.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
所以我們比較不希望的是這種狀況所以我們是希望的就是說台電這個部還是應該適度的撥補而且這個是以前的帳這是以前因為他為了要抑止民生電價不漲價而所欠下來的將近有兩千多億一直沒有填補這個部分那事實上我是覺得以我們來講應該是要優先來填補這個部分以上 |
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| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
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謝謝主席長接下來我們請財政部莊部長部長請教一下我們國安基金從4月8號宣布進場護盤這是第九次國安基金進場護盤現在一個月的時間我看了金管會的數字 |
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4月2號是川普就宣布這個關稅 那一下子調得很高所以如果從4月2號到5月12號的話呢我們這個台股的指數是跌了0.09% 其實不大但是如果4月2號算到5月13號的話 反而還漲了0.15%啦所以我是想請教一下說 我們現在這個國安基金的護盤的成效是不是還不錯 |
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從這幾天的股市看起來還不錯那當然股市的一個漲幅的部分也跟美國的在關稅部分的一些策略的一些改變都有關聯性的對那所以說那目前來看的話這個國安基金進場一個月的時間了嘛對不對差不多是一個月時間因為我們看你們4月8號有宣布嘛那現在已經超過一個月的時間了嘛那接下來呢 |
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當然國安基金會持續的一個關注市場的一個動向那我們會由我們的執行秘書來做操盤那他會持續的觀察然後做採取適當的一個作為所以到目前為止的話就是說這個一個月成績看起來也還不錯然後接下來就會看說大概應該也是要等到這一個這個90天到了之後 |
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看川普大概宣布到底關稅是怎麼樣那也取決於說我們現在我們行政院跟美國的談判所以說可以預測國安基金至少會等到七月中之後再看情況 |
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對,7月之前應該是不會退場啦但至於操作的方式執行秘書會做觀察以及採取相關措施那操作方式就是市長他們自己,他是執行秘書嘛但是你們都是裡面的委員啦所以如何操作你們大概也會有一個方向啦 |
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那這個我看這個歷年來都是台積電是買最多的只要是只要是有遇到這一個這一個比較大的這一個股價的這個波動的話因為它是一個大型的權值股嘛所以我看應該是這一次台積電應該也是進場買得不少 |
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當然國安基金進場主要是有點火的作用然後來維護一些投資人的信心那至於怎麼樣的投資我們執行秘書會做妥適的處理我們都不會去介入這樣那至少在七月的時候國安基金都還是會stand by就對了因為不確定性的因素還是蠻多的 |
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因為美國財政部長他有提到我們台灣跟美國談判目前提出非常好的一個建議我想請教一下部長美國財政部長所講的台灣的非常好的建議據你了解大概是哪一些對他所說的非常好的提議但我不知道他的具體他指的是什麼但是5月1號其實我們由副院長 曾副院長領導 |
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帶帥團包含我們的談判總代表楊珍妮政委都有去了美國我想這個部分他們在初步第一步的協商的過程當中應該算是彼此有做一個很好的一個交流所以那個方向當然具體的東西不談那如果方向大概部長你知道說大概是哪些方向讓美國覺得說台灣的提議還不錯比如說我們關稅是從大概是從比如說總統你講我們可以從零開始來談嘛 |
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那我是說到底這個方向是怎麼樣可以讓美國覺得說台灣的政府提出來的提議還不錯我覺得有一個方向出來也讓我們的企業界會有一個信心我想大的方向不管是總統也好院長也好副院長都提到就是說第一個會為國家爭取一個最好的待遇第二個就是要維持產業的競爭力 |
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這是基本的一個前提同時我們會對於違規轉運的部分會加強力道來做查緝我想這是一個很正向的一個說明 |
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除了這個之外,這個我大概都知道啦有沒有比較具體的一些東西可以讓台灣的企業界對於我們現在在談判會更有信心我想相關的一些細節在談判過程當中應該雙方都有默契應該都不會對外去做一個宣達這樣子那就是說在七月之前我們還會繼續再跟美國再談下去吧 |
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我相信應該會 現在5月1號只是第一輪嘛好 OK 謝謝部長 謝謝主席好 謝謝 我們結束李昆城委員的質詢接下來我請林思敏委員好 謝謝主席主席優先請我們財政部莊部長好 請莊部長 |
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市委部長,根據TVBS最新的民調,受到川普政府的關稅政策影響,34%的民眾滿意賴政府拼經濟的表現,高達57%表示不滿意。 |
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另外有將近六成就是百分之五十九的民眾對於賴政府處理關稅的問題減少對台灣的經濟的影響沒有信心 |
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部長 民眾對於政府處理川普關稅的問題及拼經濟的表現如此不具信心您認為政府應該如何調整我們的經貿談判策略來維護出口產業以及協助我們半導體的廠商面對海外關稅與地緣政治的風險謝謝委員 我想各種民調都可以作為施政的一個參考 |
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那我們也會積極的做一些精進那我想在這一次有關川普政府的關稅政策在4月1號宣布以後那行政院其實在之前就已經進行相關的模擬的一些方案 |
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那在確認32%的以後我們就提出了支持方案的措施那這裡面的措施包含了各種金融的一個協助等等以及對產業的一個補助同時也進行了產業的一個傾聽之旅不管是總統院長也好當我有跟隨院長去的好幾場的 |
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請聽企業的一個心聲尤其中小企業他們都有一些憂慮的部分那因此我們就調整我們原來所提的支持方案同時也提出了特別條例以及特別預算我想這個部分政府一直是和產業是站在一起的那當然 |
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在對外對美方談判這個部分呢從4月9號就開始暫緩實施90天那當然這是一個大的一個變動維持現在是10%的一個關稅稅率那在對美談判的部分政府院長也率隊到了美方去了 |
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那在第一輪的談判裡面我想都有互相的一個交流跟磋商後續會持續的一些進行那我想在進行磋商的時候一定會本責維護國家的一個利益以及維護產業的一個競爭力等等來做努力我相信這個是政府一直都在做的部長你做了很多的說明我想面對這次的一個談判 |
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其實業界普遍認為說政府對美國太過軟弱且談判的策略不夠公開透明 |
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建議政府你不應該太早先排太早先排了並應對外公開談判的進度與策略我想我們好多委員在這一次的這個質詢中我們也很多時候都告訴我們說這不方便告訴你這不方便告訴你那個不方便這個不方便到底我們的談判的策略談判的進度到哪裡 |
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我們感覺就是黑箱啊所以民眾才會普遍對這一次的關稅對台灣造成經濟的影響普遍對賴政府的整個策略沒有信心嘛所以你應該更公開的跟大家講嘛到底你的談判策略是什麼 |
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我想這一點請部長要檢討改進另外我們看到針對半導體的海外擴廠與關稅風險我們很多人也建議政府應該要成立護國產業的因應辦公室 |
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我們跨部會由我們的國發會經濟部來成立財政部共同來成立這樣子一個護國產業的因應辦公室來協助我們的廠商因應海外關稅與地緣政治的風險來推動供應鏈的雙軸部署提升台灣研發能量與流財的政策所以對這些建議 |
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政府是否會虛心的來採納讓民眾對這一次我們看到民調是如此的不具信心來從實民眾對政府面對這次關稅處理政策的信心 |
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妳要不要虛心接納不然還在那邊自己完全就是悶著頭在做我想請聽民意一直是政府都在做的部分那對於民眾的建議我們都也會在做納入參考那我想剛剛委員也提到許多在產業上的一些策略或佈局等等 |
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那這個經濟部一定也會在這方面去做一些考量我想財政部的部分提到你們剛剛也提到有關產業的升級跟轉型那在產創條例裡面這一次 |
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行政院也提出了修法版本也感謝立法院三讀通過在那裡面呢對於有關相關的一些政府的投資譬如說擴展這個項目增加極限加長聚合野生高因為民眾的信心是如此的低啦所以各部會其實應該去虛心的去這個檢討為什麼這個民意的支持度會是那麼低為什麼那麼沒有信心要如何做檢討改進調整 |
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這個是你們要做的 還是在講以前的東西啊不是啊 這是這次新的作為你要要要充實民眾的信心啊請布朗你先請回請主席長 |
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主席總署前天表示針對行政院因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全任性特別條例所編列的4100億的特別預算會能及時推動執行部分財源需先行舉借債務 |
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因為目前政府的債務距離我們的舉債上限40.6%的規定上有13.7個百分點大概有3兆元的舉債空間而前天也公布114年3月底我們的工業及服務業受僱人數為848萬9千人 |
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經常性的薪資平均數為四萬七千五百二十五元但其中月薪不及平均月薪者佔受僱總數的百分之六十九點七七也就是說近七成領不到平均的月薪這個也是再創新高 |
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那本席查詢我們國庫署的國債中的資料最新的平均每人負擔債務截至114年4月30日是26.5萬跟歷年最高的27.4萬已相差不遠也是近一年的新高啦所以請問主席長你是否聽得出來剛剛本席所提到這三項資訊有什麼矛盾之處 |
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請指教 就是當有七成的民眾領不到我們這個平均月薪的時候背負巨大的生活經濟壓力我們在野黨提出的普發全民一萬元的現金協助國人生活時 政府一來是全力的反對 |
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二來卻對外表示4100億的特別預算的部分財源因為還有舉債空間所以可先行編列舉借的債務這個等於說繼續提高人民債務的負擔所以主席長這是不是很荒謬 |
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這是不是很荒謬啊這個部分它是113年度它有剩餘1641億但是它必須要在7月的時候才做那個審定的確定那所以這個時間慢一點點所以如果說我在這之前要先那個就必須用先舉債但是我實際上是不用舉債是這樣子 |
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實際上不用舉債但是你告訴我們這個舉債空間還有那麼高空間那麼大還可以借三兆所以可能你未來要舉債 |
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不是 我不需要你現在肯定告訴我們不會舉債是 實際上不會舉債是 實際上這4100億都不用舉債因為我目前來講我就有4000多億的一個累積剩餘只是說我1641億那是113年度它的一個決算的數字那目前決算數字我們已經送審計部那審計部要7月才審計沒有關係 你說反正就不會舉債嘛是 |
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但是我想這一次其實我是覺得我比較驚訝的民眾也很驚訝的是說我們這一次的4100億啊其中要補助給台電1000億這一千億我們看到過去我們這個本來是要追加預算113年度的追加預算114年度用公務預算但是這一次卻是明度成倉喔不是暗度成倉喔要在這一次的特別條例4100億裡面要補助台電1000億 |
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這樣一個預算的編列準則到底是什麼我看不懂耶這次不是要4100億不是是要為了針對美國的關稅的政策而去提出這樣一個特別預算的編列嗎這跟補助台電有什麼關聯 |
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這是很有關聯因為跟委員報告這一次關稅的結果然後造成人心的浮動所以就物價的部分它會有所波動那我們如果說能夠讓台電 |
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來補充台 補助台電的話那能夠補來調升電價這個部分那我們就整個穩定一個 補價就很好補助台電這件事情因為我昨天在經濟委員會有問台電了如果說這一千億補助到位台電可不可以承諾未來不漲電價可不可以承諾未來不需要再靠政府補助你自己賺就可以了你可以承諾嗎 |
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他不敢承諾 不敢承諾他不敢承諾的情況之下我們看過去我們有三次補助給台電補助了三千億但是電價仍然調漲啊那是增值啦 對不對所以你還在調漲電價嘛所以這是為什麼會造成這樣一個結果就是你的能源政策可能需要調整了否則買一度綠電台電就虧損 |
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這不是無底洞嗎 你怎麼可能台電以後不靠補助呢每次都要靠政府補助補助之後又要調電價這樣對不對所以我還是認為台電這次的預算編列在這4100億我們真的討論的空間很大看怎麼樣說服我們所有的立法委員以上 謝謝 |
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我們謝謝林思敏委員下一位我們請羅明財委員主席各位出列習慣的主席柯某請審計部陳審計長他已經先回去了那有誰在要問審計部嗎審計部都走掉 |
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那最重要的那他如果不在的話我就請莊部長我們請財政部莊部長莊部長5月是報稅的季節那現在直至目前有去報的比例大概多少5月11號大概來申報的綜合所得稅大概有達到4成大概有200多萬戶 |
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那今年如果有些情況來不及的,就是可以晚報嗎?生爆期限已經從五月底延長到六月底了,就延長一個月為什麼要延長一個月?最主要當時因為川普的關稅政策出來以後 |
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那我們認為這個時候因為民眾也好產業也好可能會受到一些衝擊譬如說以產業來說他也要在五月申報銀索稅那可能他一些訂單的調整等等讓他們有一個比較寬廣的期限來做申報避免在一個月裡面要有期限所以財政部是站在民眾的立場來替民眾來設想 |
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財政部這樣做的話你們有沒有做過民意的支持度 |
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如果民意支持度這個部分呢我們覺得這個我們為民眾做事那民眾是應該的然後讓民眾比較寬寬的那民眾要在五月來申報也可以這樣聽起來的話就是說民眾的好感度還有民意的支持就覺得財政部很親民啊因為沒辦法嘛外在環境的改變那財政部這樣做其實是對的 |
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都委的支持是好那接下來我們請主計長財政部從善如流齁那一樣的是行政院下面的單位我們就來請教一下主計長是 主計長去年的稅收超徵多少喔 稅收這個部分是財政部負責的好 那你不要動稅收去年超徵 |
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五千兩百八十億民意調查裡面超過百分之六十八四捨五入大概七成有七成的民眾支持普發現金主計長你會不會從善如流像財政部這樣的親民像財政部 |
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剛剛莊部長所說的因為變民啊民眾有感啊然後你們趕快懸崖勒馬好好來思考一下全民普發現金不多一萬塊主席黨為什麼你知道一人領一萬怎麼樣快樂常相伴告一拜一人領一萬 |
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接下來呢大人小孩通通有希望啊這個已經是流傳千古在立法院必考題嘛已經講了N次了可是我每次看到主席長好像什麼事情到底發生什麼事情了我跟你講發生什麼事情你知道那個事情就是發生在我後面那幾個字叫做什麼主席長你有沒有看到 |
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我每次來立法院開會我都是看這四個字啊往你那邊看叫做國家至上我們心裡愛國家心中國家至上第二個我們在修法在審法案的時候最重要的事情就是啊 |
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民眾第一啊所以我也因為這樣的啟發所以我一直提案就是說領一萬嘛這個數字也不是我從空而來就是因為數字超徵五千兩百八十億然後我每次開會都提醒我啊民眾第一啊什麼第一就一人領一萬啊這個最第一的事情要做啊真的啦主席講 |
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有沒有辦法趕快來協調一下因為我跟你講你不要說我我就算你給我一萬塊我是捐出來給公益單位我不是站在我個人的立場想事情啊我是站在很多的嗷嗷待哺的嬰兒他要買奶粉啊奶粉最近不是漲價嗎補貼一下吧小朋友買文具用品也需要錢啊 |
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還有很多啊 對不對你說一直要照顧小企業 中小企業 很多的大企業那你也照顧一下保金保貸吧總共38萬個拉保險的 拉得很辛苦啊還有欸 還有邊緣人啊還有很多的社團 社福單位 自己連募資都募不到啊拜託啊 就是一萬塊嘛 |
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請問全世界普發現金的國家有哪幾個我沒有查沒有查哇主席都在笑了那你的幕僚單位是誰啊 |
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報告委員 日本是聽說有要發但是最近聽說遭受到很大的一個反對所以後來也就不了了之你說那個還沒發的 有發的有哪幾個美國有沒有發過新加坡有沒有發過新加坡是有發過主席長你先休息一下請旁邊那個比較厲害的來上來請那個 那個是主計的 |
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處長啦齁 處長啦 處長公務 公務處的話就是許永毅嘛來 那個許處長讓你發揮一下我知道你不會想說要把主計團幹掉但是你如果表現得好 大家會注意你來 請問一下 許處長全世界有發過普發現金的有哪幾個國家 |
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剛剛我們局長有講過,新加坡有發過新加坡發過,發多少?這個我不清楚還有哪一個?香港也有退稅過香港退稅也是一樣的道理,就是錢給民眾還有哪裡?澳門澳門應該是在京東海巷那時候有沒有發過?有發過美國有沒有發過?美國加州 |
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美國是加州有嘛 疫情的時候都有發嘛好 你不錯 至少有做功課好 謝謝主席長那請問主席長 剛剛回答那個是誰啊我們公務預算處處長公務預算處的徐永毅徐永毅 許處長你可不可以考慮今年再加薪的時候 |
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或者是說考核的時候記得他有在做功課就是表現好的人我們要給他多多鼓勵也許因為他們收集的資料正確比較廣泛可以讓主計長在深思熟慮的時候增加一個更大的信心來支持普發現金一萬塊 |
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因為之前組織長說你都不知道啊現在一些參考的數據也請你體恤民情真的民眾真的很需要這一萬塊因為有七成的民眾支持因為我們都是站在第一線 |
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我今天早上六點多去跑攤的時候,我就遇到一個年輕的阿祖,我說你有幾個孫子啊?兩個,他說最近幾三三,金嬌,琪姐,雞娘也琪姐,本來阿祖要賣給孫子,有一些男三級,都沒有啦, |
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我說,小年來做,你家全校有多少人?他說,我們家有十幾萬我們家有十幾個人,不是十幾萬,十幾個人我問,現在政府有這個好康的事情,一個人捏一萬,你有開心嗎?我們家有十幾個捏十幾萬,好啊!政府有在做事情這句話就是高速主計長嘛 |
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真的人民很需要也拜託竹記長從善如流真的你說台電缺一千億嘛是不是一千億我找給你啊好不好我找給你啊你把一千億該給民眾的兩千三百億編給民眾缺了一千億我幫你找這樣好不好 |
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報告委員其實發放現金它是有它的時空背景還有它一個目的那政府它在安排政策它也有它很多的一個目的那如果說它要還錢於民它有很多種方法和政策的一個安排所以不見得就是說要發現金 |
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那以現在來講這個時候發現金並不是最適當的一個時機我知道啦 竹雞蛋你可以講啦可是你講的一定對嗎 |
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也不見得嘛對不對這個是我們經過一再的討論之後所有的立委沒討論過嗎所以以前普帕六千是錯的嗎不是吧就大家參詳立法院合一制嘛大家聽話嘛有道理你們就拿去用嘛你一直要把人民的錢扛人民支給然後去補台電的一千億 |
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那我問你好了 你說一千億一千億那台電你只要光電的部分 光電好了去年光電台電花多少錢這個部分我可能還要再調查一下你叫他們自己檢討一下啦光電花了兩三兆 少花一成就有兩千多億啦 |
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講難聽一點你們這個一直挖挖挖挖台電的坑那叫人民去補補補補補補該由人民出錢的洞這就那麼簡單的事情嘛 |
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你要去弄光電那個什麼88槍的問題一大堆你們都沒解決那你們就繼續慢慢弄我只是站在人民第一線的立場最卑微的就是說你一人發一萬塊這樣讓大家有充滿一個小確幸就是這樣而已 |
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你總不能每年稅收超徵然後你就東拿西用 西拿去用整個都給你花光光留一點給民眾吧你不要說因為民眾沒繳稅有啊 我們去7-11買的時候都營業稅啊每個人都有奉獻 怎麼會沒有通通都有啦 好不好全民共享嘛最後啊 民眾第一啊好不好 請多多參考一下 謝謝好 我們謝謝榮民財委員接下來我們請鍾江邊委員 |
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主席 在場委員先進 列席的總局管事長 官員會長 工作夥伴 媒體記者女士先生有請財政部莊部長 也請複稅署的宋署長還有 有沒有法治人員在法治處的姚處長好 那我們請莊部長 宋署長 姚處長委員好部長好 署長好 還有處長好部長 |
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最近 大家最急的先拿來問啦就關於房屋稅 剛剛好幾位委員都問過了那我先請教一下 你看一看這上面的這幾個報章寫的亂象 剛剛有李燕雄委員問到啦獨立權重的車位被另外課稅事前你們有發現這個情況嗎 |
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沒有想過我們知道這個情況但是我們沒有想到就是說新北市這個部分他做了這樣所以是地方政府他自己的認定對那我想我們這個他說將請財政部韓市這個部分我們財政部主動來做一個韓市那另外參與都更結果呢信託給銀行銀行名下信託房屋很龐大委託人雖然是自住但是呢稅率還是不太一樣你們有沒有發現這個情況 |
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這信託還是自助的話還是自助啊對有沒有發現有這個情況好來慢慢來問題狀況很多因為新制上路總有陣痛期來人家說房屋稅2.0初包兩大放寬你們提到了因為5月開徵嘛結果你們提到說台北市因為資料轉換錯誤然後影響5萬戶那你們兩大放寬放寬了什麼 |
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兩大方位第一個就是說因為就是台北第一個就是自住的部分要去涉及涉戶籍那過往是沒有這樣的要求所以有一些民眾他因為原來是自住就怎麼收到稅單所以這個部分讓我們把涉戶籍的時間往後可以讓他到6月2號還有一個出租的部分因為出租的部分我們的稅率是可以比較寫那讓他去申報出租的時間可以寬管自住的指定跟出租的申報好來問一個問題馬上考你們 |
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可能宋署長在鄉下父母還有房子跟農地啦那我舉例啦 這個宋署長可能會了解三兄弟 爸爸媽媽住鄉下的農地上面蓋有農舍三兄弟長大之後呢 老大陪爸爸媽媽照顧農舍老舊 大哥花錢把它整個翻修 |
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但是因為農地跟農舍必須同意所有權人所以農地是老爸的農舍大哥蓋好了花錢蓋好了也是登記老爸名下老爸走了三兄弟繼承土地共有持分那不用講房子也是共有持分每個兄弟各持分三分之一但是大哥住在這裡戶籍在這裡老二老三不在這裡今年房屋稅 |
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稅務人員說因為你只自有三分之一所以你的房屋稅自住優惠只能用三分之一假設原來是一萬八你只能有六千塊降成五千塊 你覺得這樣合理嗎 |
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怎麼解決 署長請署長來說明報告委員 因為他委員所去描述的這個案例基本上他是採分別共有的方式就持份共有那持份共有當然防守也是就他持份的部分的房屋稅的部分如果他是自住來享受那你問一下啦如果情況發生在你家裡另外兩兄弟的房屋他會幫你繳這兩個房屋稅的稅嗎大哥在住啊 大哥全都住那裡啊那房屋稅單收到 大哥就把它繳掉啦 |
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那另外 老二老三也不會說大哥啊 那個三分車是我的嘛房屋是我要繳 會不會?不會嘛 這個是他們要協調的問題我覺得不能用這樣的說法這顯然違背了一般的社會民眾認知 而且而且我問說 那稅務機關怎麼跟你回答他說這樣子齁 如果你要符合自用住宅請你老二老三戶籍搬回來你們三個兄弟房屋共有三個人的持份都可以減免 是不是要這樣做? |
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是要這樣做嗎這就是你們的解方嘛 部長點頭嘛從你們人工跨離特赤 按照法條 死因的條文界定你要是就持有的部分來予以優惠嘛但是使用是多人共有一人使用但是他有沒有做其他使用 有沒有閒置不使用 來我們看一下防護二點的目的是針對有多污者加稅 還是持有多污閒置者加稅 |
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不是多屋嘛,你只要多屋有使用不是你很多房子我叫多顆領的稅,是你有多房子還閒置不拿來使用是對不使用進行一個對象,不是對持有很多 |
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如果你是出租我們也歡迎你把它出租出去你不要投資客持有很多的空屋你也不住也不讓人家住也不出租這是我們要的目的嘛對不對打囤房打的是什麼是囤的行為不是打房的數量是不是這樣子 |
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數量跟囤有關係家中持有多戶且未有效運用者這是我們那一年的很清楚是不是這樣子家中持有多戶且未有效運用那有沒有有效運用呢如果只有單一且供自租我們減輕從1.2變成1.0股利釋出只要你出租我們也讓你優惠對不對 |
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第三個如果繼承為共有的時候處分跟利用難以區分你們也講到了不能有效利用跟過路者不同我們要不要對非自願持有共有者的說服你們就寫了嘛你們當年改了之後就訂了嘛那為什麼不做 |
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有啊 那我說那個狀況服務不過我想委員這樣子 委員的提醒這些東西我們會都把它收集起來然後收集起來 我們能夠直接函釋就趕快函釋那有一些地方政府的一些狀況我們會邀集地方政府再來開會看有沒有需要檢討改進的部分我們會再持續做這樣的經濟 |
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打火要急啊等到火把房子都燒光了你再救火車到人家不感謝你了啦昨天我們在這個委員會我們去處理了保險法保險法當中因為要保人為債務人債權的強制執行解約抵債的部分過去這兩年三年製造了很多的民怨昨天我們跟保險局跟金管會我們委員把它解決了所以我希望說當時有一個什麼當時有發布指引喔 |
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司法院也發布個指引告訴執行法院什麼樣的保單你先暫時不要執行等著修法請問這些狀況有需要再對防護稅法來進行處理嗎還是只是要一個同意的指引就可以我想這個部分我們先不要動法律在法律的不動的情況下在下面來做 同意多久可以弄一個指引 |
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要不要做成指引 我們先把韓式能趕快出去的先出去韓式我覺得這樣子啦 部長 要更積極一點當時司法院就趕快發了一個韓式了不是一個韓式 一個指引這個指引把很多狀況都涵蓋進去當然你們現在沒有指引 各個科證狀況不同我希望你趕快制定一個全國性的指引然後呢 現在問題來了接下來他今年的稅怎麼報 不是到6月2號為止 |
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是不是你們開始想說如果根據這個指引他已經把稅報了但是新的指引公佈之後他是可以退的那你們是不是可以多退少補還是明年的時候再來處理因為這個對涉及到人民的權利因為法的生效因為你的函是因為你的指引才生效嗎沒有我本來根據你的指引我不用繳那麼多防護稅的我今年已經繳完了你明年要不要退我會不會要不要退 |
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總部委員叫他去打行政訴訟吧呃 我想這個該要退的當然是要好 所以呢今天給你一個機會明確的跟全國的房屋的持有人跟他說明今年的房屋稅的亂象其實是震動期間新舊轉型我們有些死料未及連立法者我都跟我的選民道歉我說你們兄弟共有單獨共 |
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多人共有一人使用的情況我們的確那時候沒有想到但是呢現在這個問題我說一請你們發布一個統一的指引在一定期間呢可以做到嗎 |
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全國一致的指引這部分我們會先趕快就個別來去做然後指引也會做指引出來之後如果今年涉及到今年的權利義務的部分是不是在明年的時候讓他可以多一個補償明年的時候明年還是要繳房屋稅啊他如果今年多繳了明年就少繳嘛至於怎麼退的部分我們再來討論一併在指引公布的時候告訴全部的房屋所有權人好不好 |
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對我們會跟稅金機關來做處理好很好謝謝來我們看下一頁接下來就是統一發票今天我們在談預算的刪減跟凍結統一發票被刪了18.5億沒有辦法恢復了所以1到4月我們本來雲端發票你們要多一個獎項有個500元只維持245萬組你們有說維持現在的獎別跟組數將是極獎的情況混動式檢討經過現在1到4月了 |
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五到六月以後有沒有多餘的經費可以來滾動式檢討增加主數啊有沒有辦法有沒有檢討了我想跟委員報告一下因為這些統一發票我們雖然比去年跟主數一樣可是因為營業稅的收入增加所以我們希望 |
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可以再增加主數 因為被刪了以後結果增加的主數不如原來的預期那就相對影響到一個中獎率那至於調整什麼主數的話 這要看還有跟那個 我說你們有沒有滾動檢討啦有滾動檢討如果有機會補給大家好不好 當然要滾動檢討像我們國產署的經費被刪了快1億增加了我們國產署上所持有的國有土地登革熱的風險 |
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其實國產署每年要花很多的用很多心力去維持這些國有土地避免造成地方的登革了是不是這樣子現在這預算被刪減了對不對那當然刪減當然會影響施政的量能所以說今天我們預算有一個解凍解凍後我希望財政部做一件事情包括所有單位解凍後如果說恢復了這個錢就你們剩下來的七個月 |
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恢復解凍後的錢是還足以支應你們原來的計畫的趕快告訴大家恢復之用那前面已經損失掉的因為你解凍凍結的時候你前面幾個月受影響嘛前面如果受影響的部分因為解凍而恢復了可不可以去檢討如果可以恢復的趕快恢復有些過了就沒辦法恢復了譬如說中獎 |
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我一到五月你們開箱數就那麼少就算解凍了你主數可以增加也沒有辦法提供我過去五個月的中獎率這沒辦法的對不對有辦法的可不可以幫忙檢討改進 |
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解凍以後我們當然去積極執行但是刪除的部分就沒有辦法再恢復原來的量度嘛所以我說分刪除的跟解凍的刪除的你們滾動式檢討解凍的你們往後生效的過程當中檢視前面的有沒有機會填補前面因為因凍結而造成的損失你們願意彌補權益的不足好不好好 我們積極的推動 |
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希望你們在一個月內召集各地方稅務機關拟據訂定房屋稅科徵統一指引還有後續的繳納辦法的方案一個月提出來謝謝我們謝謝鍾嘉賓委員接下來我們請黃珊珊委員謝謝主席 我們請莊部長我們請莊部長 |
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委員好我想今天早上非常多的委員包括剛剛這個中央立法院委員大家都在討論我個人把這個部分叫做房屋稅2.0的亂象房屋稅2.0其實造成了非常非常多民眾的困擾那事實上我們當然這個修法立法院通過必須就是剛剛所說的房屋稅2.0的解決的方案到底要解決什麼 |
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所以解決的方案是我們要讓房子有人住嘛所以我們用戶籍法的規範說你有戶口我才當成你有人住對吧 |
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我們用戶籍來認定他是不是自住那這跟地價稅的標準是一致的但是中華民國很特別我們的戶籍法非常的嚴格叫做有居住事實就要簽戶口所以我們用簽戶口來認定他有居住事實但是反過來台灣有非常非常奇怪的法規第一個叫做學區 |
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所以很多人學區要簽到朋友的房子去為了卡戶籍拿學區另外一個是社會福利到不同的縣市有不同的社會福利所以他會簽戶口去拿社會福利第三個還有選票親朋好友選舉他就跑到另外一個縣市去設戶籍所以戶籍法你認為中華民國的民眾都是有居住室時就會簽入戶籍嗎 |
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我想基本上剛剛您講的那個是一個事實狀況但是事實上我居住在這邊我就應該在這邊設戶籍嗎在台北或北部有太多太多的在這邊念書的學生在這邊上班的上班族租房子他設的了戶籍嗎 |
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可以涉戶籍啊可以涉但是你覺得涉得了嗎房東為什麼不讓他涉因為他要拿自住啊他不讓他報稅他要拿自住他最重要的就是接下去他交易稅他要免除房地合一稅房東如果有出租的話他就不能做自住所以我才說嘛 |
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部長這些問題其實才是真點也就是說我們現在戶籍把它變成說你每一個地方你都要去設戶口所以我們現在發現了全台的所謂的住宅用有721萬的自住房屋到2月的時候你們的統計是說辦完戶口的大概是86還有97萬戶並沒有設戶口所以表示就97萬戶是空戶囉還是你們認為他只是還來不及設 |
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有一些是因為還沒有設計 那時候我們把時間就把它我們就把它延長了嘛那有一些它事實上它是出租的啊那租還用自住的話 這個並不合理啊是 但是我們應該要回歸到正軌 我覺得委員我們這個東西我知道 所以我的意思是說 |
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如果戶籍當成唯一的依據那我們是不是還要配合其他的方案到底有沒有居住事實這件事情是我們政府一直不願意面對的事情包括學區包括選舉包括所謂的社會福利其實都有這個問題今天這個戶籍我講個簡單的一個案例好了 |
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有民眾他來陳情就是說他在搬他的房子他設戶口回去是去年的事地價稅也已經簽戶的時候戶政事務所服務非常好直接幫你通報地方的地政機關說我地價稅用自用住宅自用住宅但是今年的房屋稅他收到了就是雙倍吧 |
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他的房子又被列為非資助他戶口早就簽進去了我想問一下以前是地方稅你現在統一由中央來做相關的集合對不對中央沒有做集合我想跟委員報告這樣的一個情況有些是個案因為通報他都要通如果戶政機關都有通報所以不會只通報這個價格那有的是有他的格式或者是填寫的格式不一致不管你來不來做啦你現在既然全國總歸戶的話我覺得這是財政部的責任 |
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有地價稅是自用住宅,房屋稅不是自用住宅,那是怎樣?戶口明明在裡面,而且當時就是在正式戶口已經通報了但是一樣沒有勾結,這才是今天什麼叫房屋稅之亂因為我已經通報你,我還會收到一個非自住的然後排到去場,我去年戶口已經簽了,去年地價稅已經給了 |
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今年又跑來跟我說我還要再申請一次這是不合理的好謝謝委員我知道我們會因為是今年第一年嘛首次開徵那我想這個政策目的是它立法當時有它的政策目的那今年首次開徵那我們會趕快邀集地方政府第一個已經知道了我們就趕快函釋那另外有些個別的說法我們請地方政府來我們盡快把它做成一個更明確的就像我們在 |
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租金扣繳的這個所謂的特別扣除的部分當時有很多在北漂的 |
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家裡在南部的我們把租金扣除了只要是能證明你在北部就業就學的你就可以申報這是財政部用行政命令直接統一規範不用再修法同樣的房屋稅這個剛剛講的指引就很重要這些離離口口有的沒有的不應該再發生而且民眾會覺得我通報你了結果第二年我還要再去通報一次是怎樣這個政府是失能嗎 |
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好 我們這個部分我們會一起來做處理第二個就是 部長我們我剛剛看到是你好像才剛從亞營回來嘛 對不對對 是的亞營在把我們更名之後我們是每年都抗疫每年都撐草今年你去抗疫有沒有效果 |
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第一個我跟委員報告把我們更名的是一個非常不合理不公平的對待我們今年依然會今年新的總裁有沒有什麼回應今年在我跟總裁會面的時候有特別提到這樣的一個議題我看到你說這個會影響到我們對亞營的捐助 |
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這個部分當然因為國內的民眾也好委員也好都非常關注這個議題然後也會在審預算的時候告訴他們立法院現在已經不想再給你們這麼多錢去捐助亞營了是我知道這個委員的意見我們都有做反應 |
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最後就是我今天看到早上民進黨團已經開記者會說要提財化法的修法財化法的釋憲不少我想請教一下那時間暫停主計長一起主計長請 |
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部長 主席長 我想這個法案我們去年到現在我們已經討論一年了 這就不贅述了我們3月份你們開過一次會3月21號復議案駁回所以接下來你們釋憲 請問卓榮泰院長在立法院被選的時候我質詢他很多次尤其是3月21號復議案的那一天他告訴我他手上有院板請問兩位有沒有看過院板 |
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部長手上那份院板你看過沒莊部長跟委員報告 事實上我們有方案提交給院長主席長你看過院板嗎我有討論過一部分有討論過沒有出院板到現在你們也沒看過院板是嗎所以院長手上那一份從頭到尾不是行政院的立場只是討論的內容 |
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我想這個部分我們都經過討論 而是方案所以重點是如果行政院認為有你們的立場跟方案有沒有要再跟立法院討論溝通呢還是只是復議跟釋憲而已呢我們在提復議的時候就希望立法院能夠再一次主計長清楚的回答我你已經告訴我今年度的預算你們會按照新法來編列 對嗎 |
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大聲一點吧對是未按照刑法來編列依法行政是行政機關的職責然後現在申請釋憲這是當然這也是民進黨團的權利重點是我們希望第一個 |
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財政收支劃分法我還是要強調台灣民眾黨的版本是非常務實的台灣民眾黨的版本是給財政部非常非常多彈性空間的他現在還躺在委員會第二個部分就是主計長我們要知道接下來預算各縣市政府都在編列他們會面臨到什麼樣的變數然後你今年的預算碰到這個狀況你將怎麼應對主計長 |
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對 我們也會 其實我們大部分也有這怎麼解開這個僵局啊你們沒有任何方案院長的那個版本不想拿來跟我們討論一下讓我們大家重新思考嗎不是 現在目前如果說先照新的案來做院長在4月的時候說要釋憲但他之前說他們考慮提新版本所以你們的目前的態度就沒有新版本 只有釋憲意圖 是嗎 |
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有四限也有新版本啦所以新版本什麼時候要給立法院看看討論想想這是一個重要的事情地方政府都在編預算沒有人可以再等你們想想 |
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預算編完了要執行到七月份以後又要送到他們的議會討論這些東西都不是你們現在這樣子拖拖拉拉可以做的事啊所以主席長我只要你一個具體的答案你要告訴我你怎麼解決這個僵局你現在預算編列完了之後又釋憲 釋憲的過程中發生什麼過程地方政府怎麼應對 |
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他們的補助款、統籌分配款拿不拿得到?有沒有錢給他們?請回答現在是說如果115年我們按新的來籌劃的話當然他們蓋納的錢都可以編入他們的稅務嗎?是的是的你有清楚的告訴他們你們可以把新法裡面的統籌分配稅款編入你們的稅務嗎? |
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但是這個部分相對的也會減少一些計劃型的補助所以你們清楚的告訴地方政府了嗎還沒有你們什麼時候要訂出這樣的標準呢還是要等市縣的結果市縣的結果的話就不用編預算啦 |
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沒有 我們現在都已經在籌劃當中了籌劃當中所以大概什麼時候會告訴地方政府他們會增加的錢跟會減少的錢大概是七月初七月初在此之前我還是希望政府要解決僵局最好希望你們把你們認為合理的版本拿出來給大家看看 |
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好的版本有什麼怕人家看嗎到今天為止院長喊了三四個月的版本拿在手上見不得光這真的很丟臉啊好嗎我希望一個月之內把這些你們要做的事這些事情的方向給我一個初步的答案主計長剛剛講怎麼編預算怎麼編你要給地方政府什麼樣的方向一個月之內給我一個說明好嗎好謝謝 |
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好 謝謝黃委員 謝謝部長 主席長接下來有請黃委員國昌質詢時間四分鐘鄭天才委員請準備來 謝謝主席麻煩有請部長 財團署署長部長及署長委員好 |
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部長署長好我想積極活化國家資產是所有納稅人大家共同的期待那也是財政部包括國有財產署多次的宣誓那我這一次5月6號我到雲林的北港去那邊參加白沙屯的活動的時候我在離開的路上有人把我攔下來陳情 |
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攔下來路上他指的就是這棟建築物就是雲林北港台氣客運大樓他說這棟大樓廢墟放在北港放了二十幾年了當地的人都不知道到底在幹嘛 |
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說這個是國有財產是國有財產署的那甚至從雲林縣政府到北港鎮都提出了很多各式各樣開發的構想國有財產署都不同意 |
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那人家攔我下來澄清講這件事情我回來當然要查資料嘛我不會人家跟我講什麼我就相信什麼結果我一看果然還真的是這樣廢墟放了28年那我就去把整個歷程把它調出來那調出來你們過去跟雲林縣政府到底要開發的方式有什麼樣的旗艦這我不介入啦中央政府跟地方政府你們好好的去談 |
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我最後看到財政部發的聲明是說這個延宕國有財產整體開發及地方經濟發展所以你們也知道是延宕延宕兩個字是你們新聞稿講的不是我講的二十幾年講是延宕兩個字恐怕這個詞還是過於輕鬆但現在的重點來了重點來了就是說你們說要加速開發要帶動周邊商機促進民間投資這個都是國有財產署 |
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然後我查了以後你們到今年的時候因為去年開始吧去年前年開始你們說要搞什麼地上拳結果搞了半天你們堅持了這麼久要搞地上拳搞了半天也流標流標那現在編的預算要把它拆掉所以我那天站在那邊我就一直看著那個大樓圍起來感覺是要拆那你們現在拆不好以後打算怎麼辦 |
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其實可以可以快點快點我時間有限我後面還有問題報告委員短期內我們先做停車使用那這個部分有跟證供所這邊來談當然同時我們也需要所以你們是什麼國有財產署自己開停車場還是要撥給證供所用沒有我們跟地方合作批件停車場收費停車場所以是平面還是立體的平面然後同時我們也準備繼續做地上權的這個招標所以繼續招標前面流標兩次了嘛 |
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因為前面最主要是建築物的存在我覺得你們整個的思維讓我沒有辦法理解因為我看了你們過去的爭執那個是商業區 監華區的土地那你說下面什麼客運轉運站上面商場BOT等等的你們說不符合國家的利益結果拖了這麼久以後把它拆掉搞成平面停車場是比較符合大家的利益這個是國有財產署的判斷嗎 |
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跟委員報告因為之前要做那個轉印站事實上現在很多的刻印業都在蕭條那轉印站的部分呢要不要在這個地方事實上大家在地方那個事情都已經過了啦他也沒有要在這個地方啦 |
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人家牽到其他台堂的土地都處理好了啦現在我只跟你提醒一件事啦當初你們堅持的理由這個過程當中是不是有什麼政治其他的考慮我不要去揣測啦你們中央政府跟地方政府的事啊但是我要反映的是北港屈民他們的心聲啊放在那邊爛太久了啊 |
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真的放在那邊爛太久了啊對不起當地北港的民眾啊我要講的就是這件事啊拆完了以後怎麼樣使用對當地地方的經濟發展最好國財產署會不會承諾跟地方政府好好談啊 |
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包大委我也有請我們分署長去拜訪過鎮長大家在談未來的使用剛剛講的第一個短期我們趕快因為那個地方還是有很多的停車需求第二個當然我們之前的地上潛招標條件的問題我們也做了檢討應該是在今年的第四季或是明年的第一季我們還是會再上架第二個陽明山馬槽花藝村的溫泉 |
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我接到公務員跟我投訴啊公務員跟我投訴什麼說這是一個非法的業者非法非常的久啊違法接溫泉水佔用國有地什麼事情都來搞 |
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然後呢他再用多筆的國有土地有些是養管處的少數是國有財產署的他說他長期的違規我也不會聽人家講就相信我去調財閥的資料出來還真的是這個樣子從民國八十幾年一路搞到什麼搞到今年啊 |
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2025年2月不斷的裁罰當地其他違法的溫泉業者都處理了只有這家後台特別硬啊沒有辦法處理啊結果養管處要去依法執行這件事情國有財產署有出來擋嗎說這個土地不要這樣子搞下去 |
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不要去叫人家拆不要去告人家把地撥給國有財產署國有財產署要租給這個非法的溫泉業者有沒有這回事 |
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報告委員我們有去看了事實上他是沒有辦法輔導合法沒有辦法輔導合法嗎所以國有財產署的立場要講清楚啊要不然很多公務員都誤會啊說這個背後有大咖的人在撐腰啊國有財產署不僅不執法還要養管處把土地撥給你們租用給民間業者絕對沒有這回事對不對 |
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是的沒有這回事絕對不會這樣幹對不對跟委員報告我們有實際去了解的事實上他現在開始陽管處會來執行斷水斷電那相對的我們也會沒有關係是不是這樣執行下去我們拭目以待謝謝謝謝黃委員謝謝部長謝謝署長接下來有請鄭委員天才質詢時間4分鐘葉委員員請準備 |
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主席 各位委員 有請主計長主計總署4月23號發文給所有的地方政府 |
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就針對這個114年度中央對這個地方政府的一般性租款5月到12月份的部分改列為未分配數以至於他們都沒有辦法拿到這些經費最主要你們的理由就是因為通案刪減900多億然後要自行 |
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要由行政院自行調整刪減數636億500多萬這個部分你們的主要的理由那事實上如果我們看當初民眾黨所提的通案刪減的這些理由而且它的所列舉的其實都是一般維持費 |
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13995.548 |
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像這個禮費像這個業務特別費像這個建築設備的費用相關的這些一般事務費等等包括媒體宣傳這些所以列舉這些其實是第一個立法院通案刪減的決議 |
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其中因三檢的所謂的另以補足,你就是因為這四個字,另以補足的科目應該是指一般維持費等這些費用而且是針對中央要支出的經費,而不包含 |
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補助地方政府的經費結果你們去拿地方政府來開刀這個是一個不合理的部分不僅僅是這樣針對延民會的基本奢侈維持費補助到原住民族地區的鄉鎮市公所 |
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這個經費你們也把它因為這個你們的這個公文然後園民會就凍結50%基本設施維持費這個基本設施維持費啊是我在園民會服務的時候親自去協調主計總署當時的主計總署然後才由園民會編列這個經費直接補助到鄉鎮市公所 |
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| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
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這個就是因為原鄉的財政非常非常的困難然後縣市政府不一定會把經費他們的預算經費會給他們所以才會有這樣的一個基本設施維持費也是因為主席總署也以這個理由我有特別新聞給這個主席總署主席總署也以這個理由 |
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同樣的理由來去讓這個延民會去凍結50%的經費讓地方政府非常非常的 延鄉啊讓延鄉非常非常的困難所以這個部分應該要趕快請延民會把他駁負所以這個請主席總署為了實際上第一個立法院的決議的意思不是這樣 |
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然後第二個基本設施維持費的應用也不是像你們所想像的那樣所以這個部分應該要趕快去處理可以嗎 |
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報告委員這個部分這個是院裡頭凍結50%這個是院裡頭下的下的結論說要凍結50%所以這個部分我們必須要回去跟院裡頭來反映這件事情那至於我們所謂就是說 |
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那個暫分配暫停分配我們一般性補助款的這個部分因為通案刪減的部分他是一般維持會但是一般維持會刪的也差不多了沒有辦法再刪減了那根據以往的往例他就是可以刪減其他的 |
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所以這個部分我們也是比照以往的往例來刪減所以這個部分我們也還沒刪減我們現在只是戰略會分配先做為這個部分你要戰略到什麼時候因為我們現在就是說要簽院長准了之後才來做一些真正刪減的動作主席長趕快處理 |
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不然的話 你有很多方法 不用說追加預算啊對不對 或者是特別預算啊被刪的那個台電的費用都拿來特別條例 特別預算所以這個部分很多方法另外最後我們這個 昭緯已經站了很久了禁法補償禁法補償 這個已經很明確立法案 |
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院長也同意用追加預算這麼明確的部分追加預算當初本席對於這個圓明會的預算是希望能夠趕快送來然後你們的報告裡面相關的這些預算應該要3月10號以前要送來 |
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3月10號也命會送給你們了你們到現在兩個多月了還不送到行政院行政院還不送來立法院要收回了所以這個部分你要掌握這個時程好不好 |
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各位委員報告因為我們這個總預算他要求四限所以還沒有辦法去辦追加主席長如果按照你的說法的話全部都停擺了因為還沒有四限所以要全部停擺這不對的何況追加預算這個是追加預算第一個 院長同意追加預算第二 立法院做了主決議 |
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都要追加預算 跟那個事先無關啊 好不好好 請主席長 會後再跟我們政委員說謝謝政委員 謝謝主席長接下來有請葉委員 原資質詢 時間4分鐘請王委員事先準備麻煩請主席長 |
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有請主席長委員好主席長好我們那個新北市 |
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本來應該有一般性的補助款主委總署一月已經核定了但是在四月的時候忽然修改方式本來一到六月是共會撥五十五點零九億可是四月份修改之後呢七到十二月 |
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只編了4.68億平均一個月只給7793萬短撥了51.68億對於地方的財政以及地方要做的業務造成極大的影響我想請問一下主計長忽然間這個四月份修改方式事先有跟地方政府溝通嗎 |
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沒有這個部分主要是因為我們被刪減了632事先有沒有跟地方政府溝通我們一會通知他你根本沒有溝通嘛你一直溝文下去你沒有在管地方政府死活我跟你講這些原本的一般性補助款 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
14394.258 |
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14418.278 |
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是要用在比如說低收入家庭兒童跟學生的一些補助還有中低收入戶的老人津貼的一些相關的業務還包括教育的部分學生的營養午餐基本的設備等等結果因為哇 主計總署在完全沒有跟地方政府溝通情況之下直接一個公文過去就告訴地方政府我們要掃編51.68億給你 掃給你51.68億 |
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14425.517 |
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14434.228 |
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現在中央政府都這麼傲慢都沒有在管地方政府死活請問一下忽然間在沒有溝通情況之下就做了這樣一個決定的原因是什麼 |
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14434.858 |
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14458.193 |
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我們主要是針對爭域財源的部分才暫緩撥納所以爭域財源的部分對地方影響比較少沒有那第二個這是你講的我的了解就不是這樣對但是他如果說這個部分稅出方面他是沒有影響他影響的是稅入這個部分如果說他本身這個在調度方面有問題他就是可以去貸款 |
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14458.673 |
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14484.6 |
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對 影響稅率當然就是會影響沒有錢可以給人家啊他就變成要去銀行借錢啊會增加利息的支出啊主委長 請問一下你現在短波的這個是一般性補助款對不對是那理由是剛剛聽你講說是因為你認為總預算還要釋憲嘛是不是 在等到釋憲結果出來之前所以你做了這樣的調整嘛 沒錯吧 |
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不是 我們是現在通案刪減他939嘛那我們依項目減 減了3030的話通案刪減有刪減到一般性補助款嗎他項目的部分 按照道理我們是可以沒有嘛 今天我去看一般性補助款你們總共變多少2501億1279萬 |
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14537.168 |
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這全部都照列啊沒有人去刪沒有人去動所以你都是可以動資的啊但是他636他要我們自己刪減636你要那通刪那你就是主席長你就可以分配啊請問你在636你要去刪到一般性補助款嗎你有要嗎我們要刪到一般性補助款你自己有沒有要去動到這一般性補助款嗎我們有要刪啊那準備你要刪多少 |
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14550.459 |
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這個部分我們要簽你現在如果你認為說是因為通山部分影響到你的話那你應該有個負案嘛比如說你已經計劃要去通山一般性補助款多少了嗎多少 |
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14569.27 |
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其實這個 多少嘛 沒關係你就回答嘛你這應該有數字嘛 多少只是說你現在有一個負案是通山多少但是你覺得你要透過四線的救濟手段嘛然後等到救濟手段沒有出來之前你要調節嘛我現在就問你你原本通山你要三一半系補助款多少 |
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14574.576 |
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因為我們本來刪2076嘛要刪到一般性補助款2076不是我們本來是刪2076那裡面含有362076單位是什麼議員一般性補助款總共25011然後你要刪2076 |
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不是 我是說中央補助的 中央政府的部分今年被刪減2076不要扯別的 我們現在 我已經跟你談到項目了嘛 不要再扯別的了嘛是 那我現在就在想2076裡面有939是通案刪減那通案刪減它指定項目的部分就是303沒有指定項目的就是636那所以這636的部分我們當初一直 |
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凍結的部分一直沒有送是因為說到底要不要刪這些你不要答非所問我現在就問說你636你要通刪你有要通刪到一般性補助款嗎有嗎多少原則上是全額啦你要全額把2501億照列把它刪掉你總共636你要刪2501億3636所以你636全部都是要刪一般性補助款為什麼 |
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14650.155 |
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因為我們因為這個錢是要給地方的所以你要把因為有被要求通3636所以你就要把一般性補助款全部當作這636喔 |
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也太誇張了吧所以中央完全沒有在理地方喔地方的需求中央完全不考慮喔有人叫你通山全部刪一般性補助款嗎真的太扯了啦我跟所有的立法委員都來自於地方聽到主計總署這樣子講通山就是要把一般性補助款全部刪掉有道理嗎 |
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你就中央山也是要按比例啊有說針對這一項要全部通山的嗎這有道理嗎因為我們中央已經山了1439沒關係主席長大家都看到了這一些錢都是比如說我們地方我今天也不是為了新北市講而已啦全台灣那麼多縣市都受影響啦那全台灣的縣市民眾都在看啦中央的態度就是因為有被通山所以我全部都是要把你地方間砍掉你剛剛的態度就是這樣啦好 謝謝葉委員 謝謝主席長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
14722.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
接下來有請王委員事監質詢謝謝主席 我請莊部長有請莊部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
14731.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
14755.318 |
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委員好部長好這個三天前主計處又公布了我們第一季今年前三個月的平均薪資這個平均薪資有提高提高到四萬三千五百八十九元可是相對的 |
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14756.914 |
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14779.548 |
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我們有69.77%也就是將近七成的民眾是領不到這個平均薪資的而這六年來從六年前當時領不到平均薪資的是66.75%這六年來再度擴大到69.77%就是貧富差距再度擴大 |
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14811.361 |
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而商納五金的是我們受雇的民眾員工工時從110年的每個月166.7小時一支逐年增加到去年169.2小時到去年底的統計貧富差距再度擴大 |
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14837.175 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
而工時再創新高那講到貧富差距擴大這個去年5月那儲蓄署也公佈了這個家庭財富分配那這個我把它做一個表格後也就是說在34年前民國80年的時候當時啊當時 |
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前20%收入的家庭跟後20%的這個對照來講是16.8倍而現在擴大到民國110年擴大到66.9倍 |
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那前20%家庭的財富佔比由49.71%佔整個社會財富49.71%提高到62.68%後20%家庭的佔財富比從2.95%降低到連1%都沒有 |
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降低到連1%都沒有0.94那前20%的家庭財富民國80年的時候是1306萬到民國110年30年後5133萬然後後20%家庭從78萬降到77萬這很明顯的 |
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14926.731 |
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嚴重的財富分配不均那我個人認為財富分配不均很重要的一項我們政府可以做的照說我們從財稅負擔從稅收可以來做調整而現在我們的稅收裡面我們總計我們總收去年3.48兆 |
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14947.758 |
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3.45兆稅收裡面我們有高達21.8%是在綜合所得稅那在財產稅的部分不到10%只佔7.6%綜合所得稅遠高於財產稅3倍那也就是說 |
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14979.318 |
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真的享受到低稅負擔的好處的是這些地主 財閥 老闆們啊 這非常清楚而負擔大部分 稅負來源的是我們勞工 上班族 薪資所得者 |
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14980.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
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那這個部分當然說來話長也不能怪你一個人但是所以我具體我今天要講三件事我希望就是說第一件就是在於這個股利所得稅的計算方式我當時為了提高投資意願當時我們推動所謂股利所得分離課稅的新制 |
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15007.949 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
15026.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
那這個形式當然是好但是原本前50大高股利的所得戶我們在105年106年統計他們他們股利所得得到的有效稅率是38.41%38.41%隔一年37.96%那是在105年106年 |
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15036.949 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
15040.976 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
結果西治之後我們現在調降為28%從過去的38%降到28%對於鼓勵所得 |
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15051.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
15073.331 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
我們少課了10%那當時是為了鼓勵大家說啊就是去提高他投資院大家去購買股票嘛而相對的喔那個當年舊稅制的時候107年上市的股票總市值是29兆3100億當時是這樣 |
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15078.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
15094.993 |
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結果現在反而總市值上市怪總市值70兆8千億啦我們反而把這個稅率降低所以我積極建議你今天帶回去研究我認為要階梯稅率 |
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15096.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
15112.882 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
階梯稅率也就是說我們不是說不能定單一稅率說28%應該根據他鼓勵所得定階梯式的有低有高那整個拉高不能只有28%因為因為這是財產利得這是投資利得啊 |
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15120.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
15140.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
那一般綜合所得稅是辛苦的勞苦的生斗小民上班勞工那這樣去得到的薪資所以遠低於這些鼓勵所得嘛希望階梯稅率再來另外一點就是說我們這個關於 |
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15143.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
15154.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
租金的抵稅那現在我認為我們訂的租金抵稅太低啦我們現在訂的租金抵稅房屋租金抵稅 |
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15155.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
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我們現在訂18萬元啦 18萬元那我認為啊 如果你橫估我們台北 新北 雙北實際的租金行情的話你可以看 在左邊這邊 這是台北而且這一部分 還是去年 還是低估的喔低估的 右邊是新北那我平均把它抓 平均把它抓一坪1500好了 |
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15203.676 |
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雙北的部分那一個正常的小家庭至少也要20坪那就3萬元一年小家庭租金至少都要在雙北都要一年要36萬元我覺得18萬元的這個抵稅額太低啦太低啦所以我希望這幾點這個關於階梯稅率 |
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15221.773 |
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鼓勵所得改為階梯稅率以及房屋的租金的抵稅我認為要提高這兩點是不是你帶回去研究那你在最短期間給我答覆好不好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
好 謝謝委員的建議你多久可以答覆我我們就兩個月可以嗎兩個月兩個月會期都結束啦一個月好了好不好一個月好一個月我就等你一個月好謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝王委員 謝謝部長今日發言今日正義發言委員均已詢答完畢現在 |
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15251.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
15251.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
現在處理臨時提案 請議事連員宣讀 |
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15266.104 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
15294.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
本院委員賴思寶等人有進行金融市場競爭激烈國營金融機構近年來獲利屢創佳績為受限於預算法規範無法結實支應額外構建固定資產之需求而削弱其競爭力原提案要求財政部及主計總處對國營銀行構建固定資產預算之一般建築及設備計畫部分除房屋及建築中之新建及構置各項辦公房屋 |
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15296.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
15324.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
交通及運輸設備中資、購置管理用車輛及增加國庫負擔經費者外其餘項目金額在新台幣8000萬元以下者依業務需求自行辦理並補辦預算必使固定資產購置規劃與執行根據彈性與行動力是否有讓敬請公決提案人賴世寶、林德福、顏寬恆、賴慧媛、李燕秀、林思敏、鍾嘉斌宣讀完畢 |
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15326.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
15351.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
好 那麼關於這個臨時提案請問機關代表有沒有要補充 那請請就發言台好 那請莊部長這個提案剛剛有跟委員做一個溝通希望做一個文字的一個調整就是在第五行的部分由財政部嗆 |
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15354.473 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
15370.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
洽組織總署這個就即改為洽就是由我們發動來洽組總那另外呢在於倒數第三行的部分有關製刑辦理這個製刑我們建議修為由主管機關代理代判院搞辦理好謝謝謝謝財政部莊部長那麼請問組織總署OK嗎 |
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15404.503 |
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可以 主席總統OK好 那麼我們在場按照剛剛的文字內容修正通過 請問有無異議好 沒有異議 好 我們修正通過今日登記發言委員均已詢答完畢現在處理中華民國一一四年度中央政府總預算一 財政部主管預算解凍案專案報告十七案請問各位委員有無異議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
15424.658 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
無異議 我們通過審查完畢准予動之提報院會行政院主計總署主管預算解凍案專案報告一案請問在場各位委員有異議有異議 那請方委員好 主席 |
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15430.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
15448.716 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
主席 各位同仁我們在主計處的相關的預算凍結裡面其實很大塊是在說財化法那裡面就是有一些還是沒有回覆得很清楚不過我剛剛已經質詢過我還是希望主計長在明年的預算現在正在編列然後接下去地方政府也都在等到底是不是依新法 |
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| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
15468.002 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
按照新法的規範去做相關的編列第二個部分我們還是希望主計處必須要在這個解凍之後其實重點還是要怎麼去解決財化法的爭端我覺得這個還是希望他們能夠做一個完整的說明麻煩主席可以讓他們說在一個月之內給我一個 |
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15469.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
15490.559 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
剛剛我質詢的相關的要求就是希望他們拿出不管是院板的院長所說他們自己有自己的方案或者是說在地方政府編列預算的時候他們應該要做什麼樣的指引他們到七月份以前就必須要把這些指引全部都給地方政府這些事情我覺得非常的重要所以在解凍案上面我希望做出這樣的要求 謝謝 |
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15492.025 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
15506.088 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
好 那麼黃委員口頭上的要求在剛剛的詢答當中有表達了 那麼主計長這邊是否可以跟黃委員做一個說明來 請到發言台這邊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
這個部分我再說明一下因為財務法整個主責的部分是財政部所以這個部分他版本要不要提出來這個部分我們可以協助但是我們沒辦法主導所以這個部分是不是這個要提出財務法版本的這個部分是不是可以再做修正一下這個部分 |
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15531.905 |
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15558.241 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
黃委員至少編列預算的方案預算的方案我們可以但是柴旺華的這個版本的部分我們可能這個部分可能要那個部分我們就請財政部是是是好那這樣好不好那個因為黃委員希望有一個想法有一個想法你們可以跟他說明那是不是可以陳組織總處跟財政部分別就剛黃委員詢答內容當中所提及他的希望理解的部分請你們再跟黃委員做說明可以嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
15577.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
好 可以喔好 那就跟黃委員在另外跟黃委員本人說明好 謝謝黃委員那麼這樣再次的確認請問對於行政院主計總署主管預算解凍案專案報告疑案有異議沒有 那我們通過審討完略准以動之提報院會 |
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15595.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
好接下來本次會議做如下決議報告說明及詢答完畢委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資訊請相關部會於一週內以書面答覆委員另要求期限者從期所定委員陳玉珍所提書面質詢 |
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15598.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
15619.794 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
列入記錄刊登公報並請相關部會以書面答覆針對一四年度中央政府總預算凍結案處理情形財政部主管預算凍結案七十九案審計部主管四案及行政院主計總處主管十九案均處理完均准予動之提報院會請問各位委員針對以上決議有依 |
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15635.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
無疑通過好那麼本次會議議程已進行完畢堂友不在場委員補題書面質詢一併列入記錄刊登公報並請議事人員協助處理好現在三位 |