| IVOD_ID |
166766 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166766 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-05T09:20:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-05T09:31:57+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8c294bbfbc570b58c51c4bf71af036c6eeb09d831e7021177d23619189f10e6c8cca5bf7c21932e25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳秉叡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:20:03 - 09:31:57 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處主計長陳淑姿、財政部部長莊翠雲、國防部副部長、海洋委員會副主任委員、海巡署副署長就「115年度中央政府總預算案至今尚未審查，對國家安全及地方建設的影響」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席麻煩請國防部徐副部長請徐副部長委員長徐副部長早我剛剛聆聽了你的報告你說敵情威脅不斷提升然後我們必須台灣必須要嚇阻敵人進犯的意圖這邊的敵情跟敵人你是指誰報告現在主要威脅我們的是解放軍 |
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就是中華人民共和國的中共的解放軍是不是好那為什麼會有一些我看到那個新聞報導還有媒體很多退將啊是從我們軍中退伍的這些將領常常敵我不分耶常常在替對岸講好話在替我們自己的國防在洩氣啊這個你有什麼看法 |
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我想一日為國軍 終生是應該就是要效忠國家這是毫無疑問的那我們之前也對於這個退降如果違反相關法令會對他們的退休分有所苛扣這個新規定出來以後退降 復錄的情況減少 |
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不是曙光只有附路啦現在也有人在說可以在台灣裡面對方敵人在台灣裡面安排了有很多第五縱隊的協力者不一定講說他本身就第五縱隊他本身可能看了一些訊息什麼對自己沒有信心然後很容易被影響然後或是被利誘就變成協力者這個你們有沒有什麼在軍中如何讓我們的國軍同袍很清楚的了解我們敵人是誰 |
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有 這個我們政戰跟相關的單位現在非常認真的在制定各種計畫要跟我們的官兵宣導相關的知識以及訊息並且我們也頒佈各種各樣的保密措施強化我們的保密作為 |
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我們2300萬多的同胞在台灣安身立命每一年花費了這麼多的國防支出其實我們 你縱觀啦 這些年來的總計我們的敵人就只有一個嘛你會認為菲律賓會侵犯我國嗎還是南韓會侵犯我國嗎還是日本會侵犯我國 美國會侵犯我國嗎 |
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是不是我們真正的敵人其實歸納起來就只有一個就中華人民共和國對不對是他對我們有領土野心對我們各方面非常的不友好然後窮兵黷武圍台軍演等等結果 |
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我覺得我們這個除了今天你講這個都很重要這個是有形的但是新防我覺得也很重要你同不同意非常同意那新防的部分如何加強現在中方對我們的認知戰沒有一天不再進行而且不只是針對我們國軍是針對我們全社會 |
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所以我們首先應該要強化我們國軍自己的心防這個我們會如果所說我們陣戰部門有很多計畫另外我們也願意跟整個政府的各個部會一起配合那你說這幾天今年才2026年的第一個禮拜世界的集權國家倒台了好幾個最眼前的例子 |
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伊朗先不講 因為他現在正在全面動亂我是認為最後他也會倒台你看他這個委內瑞拉的狀況你有什麼樣的感覺中共不是一直宣傳說他的武器多精良啊他的抵達多好怎麼美國去了他們完全都沒發現美國總統還有美國的國務卿還有美國的國防部親自出來開記者會他們對方都不知道 |
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委內瑞拉的總統一個多小時就從美國開始發動行動一個多小時就抓到美國的軍艦上了那中共不是很了不起嗎這個國家不是都是靠中共在撐腰嗎那為什麼會這樣 |
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我相信美方裝備的精良程度跟委內瑞拉從俄羅斯以及中國這邊所獲得的武器的水準在這一次行動中展現無疑我要特別講一句就是委內瑞拉還不只是 |
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他是哪一國武器的問題他最關鍵的是他的維修保障問題很大他平常的維修是不夠的那這一點對我們來講很重要這個裝備要不斷的維修要更新敵人在進步我們也必須要進步這是踏山之石可以攻錯那同樣的台灣當然要一直精進可是現在預算沒省 |
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採購武器等等計畫都延宕那這個責任我看到世界的媒體會講說台灣是不是沒有辦法堅決的表達出他抵抗侵略的決心把國內的這個政治上面的對抗外擴讓國際之間對整個台灣產生錯誤的印象這個我覺得我們國防部有必要清楚的說明喔要讓我們的友邦能夠清楚知道什麼原因造成延宕 |
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不是台灣人不願意眷軍備戰我們當然知道最好的準備就是對我們自己的最好的武裝就是最心防然後堅強我對蔣介石先生很多行為民國初年的時候三四十年的時候在台灣的白色恐怖我不以為然但是他有一句話我是認同的物是敵之不來 政是無由以待之 |
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如果我們是不去做這個建軍這些國防武器的採購跟準備那全世界如果看我們國防部有什麼樣子的這個準備要向全世界說明這樣的狀況我想我們 |
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包括今天在大院這邊的詢答的內容我們也會適時的向外宣布在這一次的演習當中我們也很及時的向外發布我們的新聞稿說明我們應對的這個措施及時的措施那對於 |
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預算部分我想我們也會適時的向全世界跟我們的社會說明國防部是很負責任的提出年度及特別預算因應敵情增加我們的戰力其實藍白立委他們所做的除了延宕國防採購之外他們還試圖把這個責任也要加一些在你們身上因為他們用立法違憲的方式通過一個法律說每一個 |
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這個志願役的軍官薪水都要加3萬那這明明就是搶奪了行政權這違反中華民國憲法我現在先問一個問題請問2025年我們中華民國政府對於我們的國軍的這個心想是不是已經有增加了 |
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那增加的幅度是怎麼樣 增加的比例是多少 請你說明一下委員好 我是主席局局長我們在一百一十四年 就是二零二五年四月的時候在部長的指導之下我們已經針對於戰鬥部隊加級 志願役加級等五項的加級我們都已經有調整了那是在整體財政規劃前提下去做的規劃也得到行政院的認同那調整的比例多少 |
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調整的比例大概應該有接近200億左右增加200億再做這些佳績大概有100多億100多億做這些佳績所以118億很難因為每一個人所獲得的跟每一個軍種跟已經那個不是完全一致所以你很難在這邊詳細回答但是114年度我們中華民國政府對於我們的國軍事實上是有提升了一些待遇 |
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人事經費方面就增加一百多億這是你講的嘛 是好 那現在我請問你現在在野黨利用他國會多數應用法律規定每一個志願役軍人要加三萬順便還跟你講說就是因為行政院不願意編這三萬的預算所以他不願意審查預算 |
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他試圖還把責任掛在你身上所以我覺得你們也有義務要向我們的國軍做充分的說明其實購買國防武器照顧現在現役的軍人能夠保護軍人在戰場的時候這是很重要的事情以這個理由如果今天是3萬我不知道原因為什麼是3萬他也從來沒有講過了為什麼不是5萬為什麼不是10萬為什麼不是2萬為什麼不是1萬他用一個法律就規定每個人要加3萬 |
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然後就跟你講說你這三萬你不給他加進去我的國家預算就不給你審查還把這個責任要推到你國軍的身上你這樣細想之下你不會覺得很可怕嗎 |
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我不殺柏仁 柏仁因我而死結果你們最後跟你講說你國防武器的延宕採購就是因為你們預算你們的薪水沒有增加所以我們就不給你錢啦我們就不省預算啦整個中華民國的這個全部都被延宕啦那就是因為國軍沒有加這三萬塊沒有在我們的命令下因為我們要討好你們 |
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我們在野黨的立委要他討好國軍要討好這些自由軍官所以你們這三份我硬要加給你加不到就讓中華民國整體的預算來墊備聽起來是這樣的意思這樣你感受如何不知道副部長你的感受如何我這樣的論述不知道你的感受如何可不可以跟我們回答一下報委員我們希望 |
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大院能夠儘速把我們的預算排入審查議程我們願意在委員會裡面跟委員詳細的報告跟討論如果委員覺得有什麼需要調修的地方我們都願意一起來討論我們希望走正常的預算程序讓國家預算趕快通過 |
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這才是正道另外我再提醒你喔無論是誰都要遵守中華民國憲法是這個如果可以用這樣的方式那我可不可以立個法要求台積電每一個員工都要給我加給我每一個人月薪給我加一百萬不能用這樣的方式處理啊國家的行政權 |
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人事跟預算經費這是行政權的範圍如果有一天國防部長或是說整個行政院都不能決定軍人的軍人應該的薪水是多少這是可以討論的過程然後不是你們決定要別人來替你們決定那這樣行政權就沒有存在的必要啊這明明就是這麼違憲的事實啊他都敢幹還是依照中華民國憲法宣誓要就任的這個立法委員 |
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他敢這樣子幹把中華民國憲法視為無誤所以大家加油為了中華民國為了大家為了我們的國家大家加油謝謝謝謝吳委員那因為剛剛議事人員已經有宣讀過上次的會議議事錄了 |