| IVOD_ID |
166761 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166761 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-31 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-36-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-31T12:25:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-31T12:38:28+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c2638f9bef880eb12be46332e07a849ab1ecef7239bdfb16d53fbbf289ff3135be8a7296b23f08fd5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:25:17 - 12:38:28 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-31T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請法務部部長率所屬相關單位、司法院副秘書長、內政部警政署、行政院國土安全辦公室就「無差別攻擊犯罪事件之防治與量刑檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、併案審查
(一)委員翁曉玲等18人擬具「政務人員法草案」案。
(二)委員羅智強等19人擬具「政務人員行為基準法草案」案。
【第（二）案各黨團若未提出不復議同意書，則不予審查】
【僅進行詢答】） |
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謝謝主席以及郭新進有請法務部的正部長好 請正部長法務部正部長還有我們警政署的長官還有司法院的長官好不好司法院長官李廳長是吧對 司法院是李廳長那內政部的話是組長跟警政監先請教 |
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這個應該謹慎 社維法方面社維法方面你們要修一個東西變成說善不仇恨的言論關三天罰三萬罰三萬關三天這個外界對這個很有意見 |
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檢證所要不要講一下 外界對這個很有意見就變你們行政權無限擴大到什麼叫仇恨式的言論你這個界定就不清楚啦這個來講的話就變成是行政的一個裁量權他認為你散播仇恨你就散播仇恨怕三萬就關三天會不會這個以後變成這樣子只要罵到 |
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你們長官有人批評你們就要被關三天跑上萬好不好 請教書報告委員 修法的這些法律用語可以做各方面的廣泛的一個討論可以做更精準的定位 |
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不是啊 你們不清不楚啊來 請華為部的市長 欸 那個 鄭部長 鄭部長你講一下 他這個立法 你們會不會覺得這個行政權太大了 這個行政裁量權太大了而且還可以直接 網路上有這樣的言語馬上把它移掉 |
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就變成數位終界法的這個護屁變成直接管網路不要忘了全世界敢去管網路的平台只有共產國家能管我們什麼時候數位終界法在立法院 |
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沒辦法給你們通過 你們就散佈在別的地方現在等於賴17條 賴清德17條所謂的國安17條一條一條的一個落實下來啊那這個地方是行政權獨大 我就請教政部長這個用字會不會太粗糙 不夠精緻會不會 |
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這個是法制上的一個問題那因為這個法是屬於內政部主管法規我們是尊重內政部的一個立法你們法務部要有一件嗎那這是屬於那個法制上的一個用字請辭的問題剛才有委員提到了是不是可以請那個 這個是要因為我沒辦法去幫內政部去回答這個問題內政部專管沒有在做 警政署 警政署 |
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請律師再回來 你現在怎麼樣 你答案是不是沒有答案是不是這個以後還可以再做一個討論我現在跟你們講啦幾位長官聽好啦你們這樣這麼籠統的仇恨式言論這幾個字啊我就告訴你們這個就是思想犯啦言論犯思想犯 |
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諸諸於文字的話就變文字獄了仇恨什麼叫仇恨罵官員就仇恨啊以後你把戒毒我都戒毒就是仇恨的言論就是罵民進黨的官員就仇恨要爬山灣灌三天就變這樣子啊 |
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這幾位長官你們聽好 這個東西這麼的一個擴權這個叫行政擴權 而且網路管理的擴權就管網路 管人民的言論 基本上都一樣的意思我覺得很悲哀 何啟何死 陳啟何死我們已經變成一個 快要變成一個真的是獨裁國家行政權要獨大 立法局統統沒有你要真的講 認真講 一定要很明確 |
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不知道我請教你是不是有個叫罪刑法定主義對不對罪刑法是屬於刑法這個是屬於行政法這個跟罪刑法定沒有關係這個是另外一個範疇的問題那另外這部分應該不是法務部我知道啦那就因為它裡面這個要請內政部的來做一個不然罪刑法定主義這部分應該司法院來講一下好不好來 司法官講一下司法院聽長講一下你聽長要講一下 |
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這個可能涉及到處罰的明確性原則的問題他不明確嘛對不對這個我們可能在什麼叫我問你仇恨誓言論什麼叫仇恨誓言論你告訴我這個主責機關是應該是我們內政部主責但是我們那你法院啊你判啊不是嗎那是刑審廳的問題我們刑事審計廳的問題而且這個不需要經過審判直接可以罰直接可以關 |
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對 那個是行政法院那邊的 行政庭處理的跟我們刑事庭可能比較沒有關係所以大家就推一特派服了齁內政部的 主責聽 主責 主政機關內政部的代專委內政部代專委有沒有內政部 你們要管這個事啊 |
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你們有管這個法條沒有報告委員 我們是內政務民政司所以沒有管這個 對 是好吧 就誤捕到了 今天誤捕到這個東西來 我就看喔 那個其他長官請回喔 那個正部長其他長官都請回 我就留正部長下來其他長官可以回去喔你看喔 我們看過去的數字其他長官請回 就剩正部長 |
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歷屆總統 陳水扁當總統執行槍決的實行32人馬英九的時候執行33人蔡英文執行2個賴清德總統現在 ongoing 他只執行1個這一個是不是你執行的 鄭部長是不是 |
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是今年一月 今年一月是你執行的嗎一月份你為什麼那時候敢執行 你的什麼條件下執行這部分有經過那個最高檢察署的一個審核之後認為這件沒有其他救濟的一個法定救濟的一個好 我們現在就來談這個問題喔大家都了解 民進黨有廢死檔綱啊他的行動綱領第26條明明白白講 延避廢死可行性我們再看下一頁 |
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所以你們在配合了這個去年的九月份的時候這個這個 |
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憲法法庭8號的機制已經實施廢止了那我們都知道究竟的有非常上述在審憲法法庭是不是這三個都走完了你才會執行槍決就要看那個死刑犯他有沒有提出這些的救濟機會每一個都在提啊 怎麼沒有呢他那個一定會提嘛所以這部分的確是要走完這些的程序現在還有幾個沒有執行的 |
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36 36位沒有執行大家都還在做這個嗎這部分我們也希望就是說司法院這部分能夠在程序上這部分能夠因為有些都要跟司法院做一個救濟嘛那個高院或者是最高法院或者是憲法法庭那這部分如果說走完的話有做一些的程序走完那當然我們這部分就會合乎到整個一個執行的一個我們就會執行 |
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我請教你 那個要執行是不是法務部長簽字就可以執行 是不是那個他經過很多的審核 那要層層的審核嘛也不要聽總統的指示這個跟總統沒關係 就你執行這個執行要經過 如果這樣講起來的話應該他有救濟的機會 他當然會程序上來我告訴你啦 |
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民進黨執政就不可能 就是這個樣子啦這個賴清德執行 今年執行那個一個人槍決一鼠比鼠娘啦你看好了因為黨綱寫這麼清楚行動綱領第26條而且民進黨都在搞廢死基本上就是他黨綱裡面就有廢死啊所以他不是兩個神主牌以前說兩個神主牌一個是 |
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非核一個是台獨另外加一個FACE三個第三張的或者兩個半的神豬牌清清楚楚看得到但是社會上是很反感的社會上反FACE高達八成以上那對於治亂適用重點其實社會上還是蠻期待的然後我們看最後一題我就一小題而已 |
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就在昨天 菲律賓正式生效不是 那個新加坡 對不起 講錯了新加坡正式生效詐騙犯強制鞭刑6到24下 |
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它裡面 Cover 的程度是什麼Cover 是核心成員或者招募者 車手這些只要有關的 或者提供假帳戶的這些人通通要編刑6 到 24 下 這個最有效這個最有效這個我已經提出來了這個詐騙犯了 就給他編刑你們法務部看出怎樣 |
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這部分跟委員報告這部分有納入刑法修正會議來做一個討論那這邊當然不是法務部要怎麼做就怎麼做這還要邀請學者專家跟檢審便等專家學者來做一個嚴厲討論那這部分其實還要再廣大社會意見那目前我們是在評估它那個可行性 |
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大概要多久時間可以出來 半年半年可以嗎 半年可以嗎開幾次公聽會 開幾次研討會就夠了啊對不對 這事情你就去 好好去新加坡昨天生效的 以前邊警不是針對這個跟其他人正式針對詐騙案 |
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它的核心 它的外圍 它的旁邊的一些全部納進來 要邊形6到24下很可怕的大概3下就開花了 屁股就開花了它6到24下 這東西這個這個社會知識度其實很高的這個詐騙犯給邊形 |
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事後高達七成的台灣老百姓是支持的因為我們什麼打炸打了半天啊打了半天我們一年還是一千億的詐騙金額而且就警政署我開了公聽會啊我都好難過每次我影在這個宿舍啊看著 |
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退休的老夫妻兩個把老本全部一樣被騙走2000萬被騙走2000萬另外一對1000萬都被騙了然後警政署的長官說這個喔要追回來大概一年以上追回來多少 10% |
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最多10%所以大概就沒有了一片就是沒有了因為他馬上轉到國外去了大家對這個生物痛覺啊這個炸片飯生物痛覺然後你們現在搞得搞得雞背狗跳搞得現在 |
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銀行今天金管會的長官沒有在這裡對銀行來講我這句話講完就下來喔對銀行他明明金管會規定五十萬就要問你來源問你什麼結果現在二十萬就問了問東問西 問東問西這樣問了大家 |
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有人就給我做什麼反應了我的帳的錢轉到另外我的帳的錢也要被問了30分鐘耶轉20萬新台幣也要20分鐘因為這個是跟委員報告的確是因為我們是聯防的機制啦因為的確是銀行他們也就是說 |
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對民眾保護他的財產多問啦多提醒我自己轉到我自己帳戶也要問 奇怪咧從這個帳轉到另外一個帳 也要問30分鐘這個其實可以幫民眾攔阻了很多的轉到我的帳戶去攔阻什麼後來因為委員你應該有如願的去做一些的不是我的錢啦 |
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那個朋友的話 因為我想包括長輩都會碰到這種問題甚至我們本身都會碰到這種問題因為他都被當作洗錢的我要強調的重點就是我們對詐騙犯太寬鬆了然後因為要反詐打詐引起很多的不便都拉把心情吸收 社會成本太高了跑步這方面 認真去研究啦邊行進入好啦 進入好啦 好好去研究啦好 謝謝委員好 謝謝賴委員 |
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好那接下來 |