| IVOD_ID |
166754 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166754 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-31 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-36-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-31T11:06:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-31T11:22:51+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:04 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c2638f9bef880eb16ef06590a853415eb1ecef7239bdfb16c0748ef97bdf7660210c2463ee6481985ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:06:47 - 11:22:51 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-31T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請法務部部長率所屬相關單位、司法院副秘書長、內政部警政署、行政院國土安全辦公室就「無差別攻擊犯罪事件之防治與量刑檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、併案審查
(一)委員翁曉玲等18人擬具「政務人員法草案」案。
(二)委員羅智強等19人擬具「政務人員行為基準法草案」案。
【第（二）案各黨團若未提出不復議同意書，則不予審查】
【僅進行詢答】） |
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主席有請法務部長然後司法院刑事廳理聽長還有內政部警政署麻煩請幾位長官列席好 謝謝 |
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好部長好在12月19號捷運台北車站然後中山站發生隨機殺人事件3小時內造成兇手在內4人死亡11人輕重傷令大眾非常的震驚那也造成重大的傷亡我想要請教一下部長 |
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如果這位凶嫌他活著的話按照現在我們的憲法判決憲判8號之後的整個的判決標準凶嫌會被三審判死嗎跟委員報告這個會不會判死刑這個是法院的審判非常好 我知道你會怎麼回答不為難你來 我想請教一下我們的李廳長 |
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委員好你覺得兇嫌會被三審判死嗎這個個案的預測我不做判斷不過我跟委員報告在憲判八以後法院還是有做兩次兩個案件有宣判三次的宣判死刑案件非常好來 |
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我再想請教一下剛剛李聽長已經講了嘛 對不對在現判八後 對不對有三次的判決死刑的案件嘛 對不對包括像去年五月三重滅門案今年九月一審判決就是死刑嘛 對不對是一審判決吧國民法官的案件一審判決之後就會執行死刑嗎 聽長 |
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要必須等判決確定 當然不會嘛要等判決 等判決確定都不一定執行死刑嘛對不對 廷長 沒錯吧執行是法務部這邊來執行 對嘛 也不一定嘛現在還有多少死刑犯還沒執行 三省定驗的目前是36位 36位嘛所以我要請教部長 我今天還是很嚴肅的跟你講 |
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因為我剛剛看到吳宗憲委員每次跟你質詢你的火氣就比較大一點點尤其講到死刑的問題我覺得部長不需要今天又不是憲法 憲判八號又不是你做出來的我們只是就事論事來告訴大家憲判八號之後我就問部長嘛判決死刑有沒有變得比較困難有沒有我們先從小的開始說起 |
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他這部分判決死刑這邊有沒有比較困難這個是個案的一個...我也知道你會這麼回答應該是司法院的審判的一個程序跟結果有比較困難嗎如果是對嚴重之罪來講他應該判決死刑那是罪責相當的問題啦那自己說相關的一些程序的保障我覺得由個案來判斷啦是不意外的回答啦但是也尊重你們因為確實不是你們的職權啦 |
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可是我今天就要告诉大家为什么社会大众认为是实质判死实质废死的判决我从几个具体的事情来告诉大家我们先回到今天12月19号的这一出凶杀案类似的情况跟政杰的状况有类似吧 厅长就目前知道的状况是蛮类似请问政杰被判了什么 |
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判死刑 而且是執行了對 三審判死刑執行在現判八之前還是之後在現判八之前之前 非常好這就是一個重要的準據現判八之前像鄭捷這種案子他會被判死刑而且會被執行但是現在因為那個凶犯已經死了所以不知道這是未來是不知道 |
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可是我再想請教一下廳長順便請教一下部長台版柬埔災案廳長知道吧我來舉重民眾我先不比較哪一個案件凶殘這個12月19號的案件凶殘還是台版柬埔災案的案件凶殘我來問一些具體事實請問台版柬埔災案案件當中死了多少人死了幾個人來 部長知道嗎 不知道 |
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應該是三位三位 我告訴你今年初發現多一位所以你的資訊已經落後了今年發現多一位案發時三位被虐待死亡我想請教被拘禁凌虐多少人多少人六十幾人六十一人詐騙金額多少四億 |
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多少被詐騙的受害人266位我要問最後問這個案件有沒有令人髮指部長拘禁毒打然後禁食然後未毒不從就打虐待到死關61個人詐騙4億 |
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是不是令人髮指部長底下是非常可惡非常可惡 廷長是不是令人髮指我認同我直接跟廷長跟部長說簡直叫聞所未聞啦我真的說實在話我還真然找到比這個更凶殘的案件台灣發生過關61個人的案件嗎 請問廷長 |
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拘禁61個人凌虐的案件台灣發生過嗎有沒有發生過有沒有發生過我的印象中是沒有答案就是沒有還虐待4個人死亡有沒有發生過廳長沒有發生過夠凶殘吧夠可惡吧夠令人髮指吧來請教今年10月三層定宴判決什麼 |
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無極獨行 主嫌免死確判 逃死確定殺了四個人 官虐六十一個人詐騙四億 兩百六十六人受害如此罪行滔天 令人罰則案件 現判八號出來以後免死確判了這第一個喔 我是用個案先來做比較喔那我再問 |
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那回到今天的1219的案子人家人民心裡怎麼想好 當然啦 個案未必能夠完全比負嘛 對不對 廷長對不對那個個案的情節不是完全一致啦對啦這部分他事情居然致死的部分對 沒關係對 這我也認同啦兇殺1219兇犯就已經死掉啦然後我再請教部長 |
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那我從另外一個 我不從個案來講因為部長 我告訴你 我跟你質詢很多次了我剛剛看吳宗憲跟你質詢你們一直講的一點是說沒有實質廢死原因很簡單 就是剛剛廷長講的有三件事情有被判死刑嘛 對不對是三審定業嗎不是嘛被執行了嗎 會被執行嗎 目前不會嘛 因為三審都還沒定業根本沒到執行的階段更何況部長還有多少已經三審定業的還沒執行的 |
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36個啊 36個 對嘛那我再拉回來喔我想請教一下 你知道2000年到2015年就是民進黨執政之前你知道每年平均有多少位殺人犯三審判死 多少位部長知道嗎 這邊我沒有統計資料警長知道嗎 不知道 我告訴你3.25位三個多啦 三審判死 |
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那我想請教兩位喔現判八號是去年九月二十三號做出來嘛 對不對到現在一年三個月了一年三個月了請問多少三審判死的案件 多少庭長多少三審判死多少 現在沒有沒有嘛 零嘛現在還在最高法院的有 還在你等到判了出來再告訴我 就是零嘛就是零嘛 |
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之前3.25位 當時政黨輪替 政黨輪替後也就掉到0.25也很低了啦 就民進黨執政之後也很低了可是很低也是0.25一年0.25位現在一年三個月0所以今天我要跟部長說 我舉個例子 |
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2022年新竹市正義輪胎案發生縱火死了多少人死了多少人8個人這個兇嫌他欠債跟家庭吵架買汽油返家縱火母親妹妹七小大嫂子女喪生火海然後呢一審判決的是什麼 |
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一審判什麼死刑嘛 對不對好 來啦你知道高院在審理的時候他改判什麼改判什麼無期徒刑啦高院是改判無期徒刑高院的理由是什麼他是有自首的問題其中一個理由他引述了憲判八號限縮死刑範圍的這個判決 |
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他直接引用憲判8號耶在憲判8號沒有出來的時候還沒這個理由改判當然可能有別的理由啦 剛剛部長也有講可是他直接又用了憲判8號作為改判免死的理由到了最高法院今年2月6號最後請問這位凶嫌的判決定讞的結果是什麼無期徒刑啦 |
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免死確判嘛對不對免死確判所以我回頭要告訴部長也告訴廳長實質廢死這件事情他講的是今天剝離了今天受害者的冤屈剝離了被害者家屬受的冤屈大幅的提高了死刑判決尤其是三審判死的難度我都還沒算執行耶我都還沒算執行耶 |
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所以才稱之為實質廢實判決所以我真的拜託部長也拜託廳長人民的聲音為什麼那麼憤怒就是因為我們看到這個現在的我們的刑事司法體系尤其在大法官做出憲法8號判決之後非常嚴重的傾斜向加害者對加害者保護無微不至啊但是呢有看到受害者 |
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今天在地下枉死的冤苦嗎今天我看到受害者家屬日日夜夜走不出傷痛的悲區嗎所以我還是拜託部長因為剛剛看到您跟吳宗憲委員尤其針對實質廢止這個題目 |
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我覺得你蠻生氣的啦我不是針對十指會死喔他是說檢察官是幫被告求免死這一點我是非常的這個每一件都是檢案求死刑後來當然未必那個後來的結果沒有合到我們的一個求死刑的一個理念 |
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那個不一樣 剛才是說我們檢察是在辦公室吹冷氣警察在外賣命 檢察在吹冷氣 檢察在幫被告求名詞這種我一定要嚴正的一個駁制喔 這個我必須要做一個聲明部長 我分兩段講 你跟他兩段交鋒啦你後面是更生氣啦 看得出來啦前面講到實質廢死的時候 你是表達強烈不認同啦 |
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沒錯吧這個本來就是沒有實質的會死的問題所以我在跟你講嘛我沒有 我們要否定如果說有實質會死的話那我們為什麼檢到求死刑沒見 這個沒見的都是求死刑我沒有說一二審的法官也是在判死刑有三件部長 你就說真的有時候我都覺得你的角色搞得不太清楚我又不是在指責你我從頭到尾都指責你嗎不是嘛你檢察官針對一些凶殘的案件求出死刑我沒有否定你啊 |
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我沒有否定你啊 但是我講的是不是事實廳長都想 到現在為止一審判三個死刑嘛 三個嘛 沒錯吧一審二審 一審二審加起來三個嘛一審二審加 剛剛廳長講三個啊 有多嗎三件嘛 三件嘛所以法院好像是要判一審 國民法官也是判死刑沒關係啊 我跟部長說 交給社會公平嘛 |
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我就跟你講2000年到2015年三審定驗判死就是3.25個啊你現判到現在一年三個月就是0個啊你跟我講一審二審判決 天堂都講了啊判了以後會執行嗎 不可能嘛沒有三審判之前都不可能執行嘛三審判了之後也不一定執行嘛 |
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這一點部長你總不否認吧我想是事實問題吧沒錯吧沒有不執行啊這個就還有一些救濟程序在處理中就36個還沒執行嘛我也沒否定你啊你執行了一個嘛我跟你講部長我今天在這邊我夠溫和了啦沒錯吧為什麼因為我也不想跟你再做很多的爭執因為我只是要把具體事實平平靜靜的清清白白清清楚楚的把它呈現出來就像社會公爵幾個重點 |
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第一個 憲判八號之前像鄭捷這個案子就會判死並執行第二個重點今天到現在為止確實憲判八號有宣判死刑就一審二審三個案子這三個案子都還沒到三審定讞第三個事實三審定讞憲判八號之後就是一個都沒有第四個事實2000年到2015年每年3.25個 |
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三省判死現在這過去一年三個月零個這第四個事實第五個事實現在有36個人死囚在年任內還沒執行這些都是鐵針針的事實叫不叫實質廢死判決不用羅志強說我想也不完全需要部長來說社會大眾來去公判啊讓我們的受害者家屬去想一想啊我們有沒有嚴重的傾向加害者 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝羅委員 |