| IVOD_ID |
166719 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166719 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-29T11:15:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-29T11:28:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:23 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/835501def12d69c8c7f8cd6f832ec2c1d62b5765d0cc60ded2c8ad38b8d1e2b9a083280c9df5163c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡其昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:15:52 - 11:28:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長及內政部次長就「元旦假期及春節連假期間交通運輸場站、高鐵臺鐵捷運車廂、觀光景區等人潮密集處之安全維護」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查(一)委員林俊憲等23人擬具「發展大眾運輸條例第二條條文修正草案」案及(二)委員柯志恩等23人擬具「發展大眾運輸條例第四條之一條文修正草案」案。
三、繼續審查(一)委員羅美玲等18人擬具「商港法第二條條文修正草案」案及(二)委員林岱樺等18人擬具「商港法第五十三條條文修正草案」案。
【法案部分，開會事由二僅進行詢答，開會事由三進行逐條審查】
【12月29日及31日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 先提一個權宜問題那個外面已經比裡面熱了裡面比較寬 外面比較熱 |
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剛才來19度 現在已經變18.9不知道主席要降到幾度才那個可不可以請議事人員先把那個溫度稍微好 請議事人員立即處理大家排碳要注意一下不要這樣冷氣一直開下去開到這樣一直排碳這對地球非常不好來 謝謝主席英明的指示那請陳部長請陳部長 |
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這個民安局何局長內政部馬次長請馬次長請政署廖副署長請廖副署長請你們一起上來 這樣節省時間 |
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部長我想上一次因為會議關係沒有邀請您過來所以我有請次長跟局長針對台中新宇航空我們都已經跟他有默契他們也送出申請台中飛東京的航線 |
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那我有請交通部全力來協助所以趁部長今天來是不是全力來協助讓台中可以飛東京這個航線趕快能夠開通是 報告委員在台中的這個航運的需求量其實相當的大大家都希望台中能夠更多的航線跟航點那目前也比疫情之前還更多但是很關鍵的飛東京的這一線目前民航局全力會來協助那新宇航空也相當積極 |
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希望在明年3月能夠飛程那我們目前也在接洽這個東京那邊的地勤地勤單位我們星雲航空要努力但是我也請民航局這邊全力來協助星雲航空來促成明年3月讓台中可以飛東京 |
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我想部長你掌握得很清楚第一個我想數字我都提供了台中的航線基本上都是八成起跳的每班的行李很好飛機跟航點不足我們也都知道關鍵點在於日方 |
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所以我才會請政府特別是交通部盡力來協助跟防牆加強來溝通第二個就是那個明年華信也多兩台噴射客機所以我也期待有一台可以留在台中部長這個沒問題一台在台中承諾沒問題這個部分我們會趕快跟華信公司講好了他們會留一台在台中那都會賺錢 |
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不是我在這裡因為台中立委很認真這些都行李很好飛機量不夠而已載客率非常高然後這兩個完成之後部長可能就那個 |
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航廈的一樣嘛行李越來越好就航廈右線的用色跟小所以這個都是計畫一直在進行當中而且我是希望民航局能夠再加速啦對對對 所以這個國際市場很有潛力啦我一直講過很多遍有潛力的地方我們就要趕快的超前部署好 謝謝那接下來我想這個大家國人很關心今天很多委員也在關心我們這個這種隨機的治安的事件 |
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那個我秀一張圖那個市長你曉得這個台北市這個捷運 捷運 高鐵 台鐵共購的地方市長你知道這個台北市警察局的地方分局他負責哪裡 |
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就台北市車站這個站體他負責哪裡就是那個站體外的部分周邊那通道呢譬如說我要從高鐵走到捷運或者我要從台鐵走到捷運這個通道誰負責通道也是地方轄區好那台北市政府的 |
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這個捷運警察隊負責什麼就是捷運的越台車捷運的越台跟捷運進了閘門以後對 進了閘門以後然後還有那個捷運的車體裡面對對對對對 車廂 對好 那鐵路警察局負責什麼台鐵跟高鐵的也是進了閘門之後對 所以如果我從我要 |
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一個民眾走到台鐵一樓從一樓進來走到門口是地方分局負責如果發生的案子是在門口的話那走進來大廳就改變成這個 |
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鐵路警察局負責那個大廳還是鐵路警察局對 門口是地方台北市政府地方分局進來大廳變鐵路警察局然後他想一想算了不搭這個我就再往捷運走所以我會先經過通道這時候又回到台北市政府的地方分局地方分局跟台北市的捷運警察隊 |
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沒有捷運警察隊還沒到啊因為他還在走在通道嘛那就是地方分局然後走進捷運的閘門就是捷運警察局好我舉這個例子是告訴大家說我相信現場很多除了警政署跟馬次長可能很清楚我想多數人其實不大清楚光一個戰體啊 |
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就會有這麼多的單位要負責所以你發生的地點在哪裡還大家也要沒有搞清楚還不知道怎麼處理好那我們以這個日前發生的這個不幸事件在他在這個戰體裡面開始放煙霧彈的時候第一個報警的是誰第一個報警是民眾報到消防局好 |
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那民眾報警他打的是119那接下來119怎麼處理119同步會橫向通報110也會讓轄區的警察知道那由119發動給110這次的事件是這樣那我們現行的規定裡面他可不可以不通報110都要通報任何民眾都要通報 |
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只要是疑似有治安事件都要通報到110市長一個人打電話到110跟他說這裡發現毒蛇而且有民眾被他咬傷他要不要通報110或者說有一個人拿了一條毒蛇如果是被毒蛇咬傷要轉報119對119嘛你們會自動幫民眾轉報嗎會嗎 |
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那個都是自動的 因為那個系統在裡面你們會告訴民眾熱心的警察同仁會說先生你打錯了 你應該打119或者我直接幫你通報 熱心的直接通報不熱心的會跟你講說 你掛掉電話這是110 抓蛇是119如果是110 對 110是這樣沒有錯對嘛 是這樣 你們不會自動119反過來會通報119那為什麼110不自動 |
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我沒有怪你我現在只是在跟你講說我知道我跟委員報一個數據就是說以台北市來講他一個星期一天裡面大概110大概有3000件通報那119大概有500-600件所以他那個勤務量是不一樣對 勤務量不一樣所以那個勤務繁忙的沒有空幫你轉接勤務比較險的人就告訴你來 我幫你處理好 來如果民眾拿著毒舌 |
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現在他已經不改拿煙霧彈他拿毒蛇在台北捷運站或者是高鐵就把毒蛇通通放出來這個是叫119去抓蛇還是叫110說有自然事件有人在那裡放毒蛇要咬人 |
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報委員如果是這種狀況119跟110都應該會接受這樣的一個受理而且如果要處理毒蛇的話還要通報動保的單位對對對對對所以你看喔如果我們內部啊為什麼大家在談包括今天主席第一個質詢我就聽到他在講那個SOP跟演練就是說我們在談強化社會韌性其實他的邏輯要跟過去已經不一樣 |
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因為以前我們在談的是我就告訴你民眾火災就是打119治安事件就打110從小學就開始教育但現在的犯罪形態現在社會所面臨的問題它其實都是多元的你看像美國他不會教你說火災要打什麼什麼要打要打動保團體打農業局要打哪一個這時候是捷運警察什麼他就是911嘛 |
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簡單明瞭嘛 市長有沒有認真去檢討過 布裡面有認真檢討過 把110跟119把它合併就讓民眾不要 民眾都搞不清楚 到底我現在發生這個事情 我到底要打哪一個單位到底是還有人會跟他講說 啊這是 你卡去農業局這動物的事情 這個你打去農業 地方政府的農業局 |
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你們有沒有認真檢討過這個事情這個事情其實過去討論過不過一個問題就是說因為我們的系統跟日本很類似日本也是1019很多國家在警察消防救護甚至是分三個系統所以當時我們建系統的時候就是兩個系統那如果要把它合成一個系統的話它會變成是一個很大的工程那這部分我們會來討論謝謝委員 |
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我剛剛就是跟你講說我不是說要你要討論而是說我們必須面臨社會我們要強化台灣社會的韌性我們隨機殺人的事件我們面對這個對岸的挑釁像今天動不動對不對完全不給蔣市長面子 |
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這樣的挑釁不斷的重複一直出現所以台灣社會要強化這個韌性我們一方面建構內部的SOP譬如說部長說接下來要強化要把我們的這個交通平台來整合演練很好那內部的SOP我們要先整合為什麼要先整合因為只有把內部的SOP整合好讓民眾 |
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的教育就民眾面對社會可能產生的危險動盪他快速的反應不需要再那麼複雜還要當下去判斷說 |
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這個事情到底要打哪一個會不會我們轉去同仁一忙了就跟他講說你現在在打哪裡我們應該是內部建構好那個我們自己的通報體系這個是屬於政府的事情民眾或許不用不一定要知道這麼多就像我剛剛講民眾不一定要知道這個但他只知道發生危險打一個電話或者做一個動作他就可以馬上把這個問題有一個處置的可能 |
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我的意思說強化社會韌性應該從這個角度來思考所以我才會跟你講說我們應該有一個類似說強化社會韌性不再去區分說什麼報案要找什麼什麼東西要找什麼什麼東西而是說社會一發生緊急危難什麼事情你只要記住一個號碼這個號碼你就打這個電話撥這個號碼就會我們內部的SOP自然就幫你串接這個該給誰自然而然對不對現在科技這麼發達 |
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這個也比以前的成本會降低很多啦所以我們應該善用科技善用我們內部的SOP跟政府內部的整合系統來把社會韌性這個事情做好市長這個可以來研究啦這個非常同意委員的見解 謝謝好 因為時間的關係啦我就沒有辦法再繼續講下去好 那就先謝謝以後有機會再跟你探討 謝謝好 謝謝 蔡吉章委員 |