| IVOD_ID |
166715 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166715 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-29T10:26:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-29T10:36:38+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:35 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/835501def12d69c80cff1676288300bbd62b5765d0cc60dec9ffc0bd17c20a972cb1202a763c6df65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林俊憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:26:03 - 10:36:38 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長及內政部次長就「元旦假期及春節連假期間交通運輸場站、高鐵臺鐵捷運車廂、觀光景區等人潮密集處之安全維護」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查(一)委員林俊憲等23人擬具「發展大眾運輸條例第二條條文修正草案」案及(二)委員柯志恩等23人擬具「發展大眾運輸條例第四條之一條文修正草案」案。
三、繼續審查(一)委員羅美玲等18人擬具「商港法第二條條文修正草案」案及(二)委員林岱樺等18人擬具「商港法第五十三條條文修正草案」案。
【法案部分，開會事由二僅進行詢答，開會事由三進行逐條審查】
【12月29日及31日二天一次會】） |
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感謝主席 本席要請我們交通部陳部長請陳部長香港局還有民進黨局在嗎民進黨局組密葉局長部長今天中共突然間宣布在台海周邊進行演習在我們的東邊 北邊 西南 東南 |
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進行突然的軍事演習 |
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我想請問這樣突然間宣布的軍事演習會不會影響到我們台灣的對外進出的航空以及海運的相關事項請你回答一下跟委員報告我們今天早上確實收到這樣的訊息他們的演習總共分五個區塊在台灣的周邊那首先我要代表交通部的立場要表示對中國的這樣子蠻橫無禮的作為表達強烈的譴責跟強烈的抗議 |
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那另外他在我們的周邊做演習必然對於海跟空的航運一定會有影響那目前我們正在透過了解他的這個演習的範圍還有危險的區域我們目前正在盤點當中盤點完之後我們會針對我們的替代航路還有未來的流量管理的部分來做詳細的計畫 |
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我希望大陸要盡快訂出緊急應變措施這個一定會影響到我們的海域還有空域那到底影響的範圍有多大 對不對那我們必須要或者是說影響到多少旅客或者貨物的進出我們今天早上正在盤點這件事情那有什麼樣的替代的方式因為像這樣子突然間蠻橫無理的對台進行軍事演習 |
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以後也可能會這樣發生是我們必須要把這樣子的一個應變的緊急的應對措施我們任務交通部必須要好好的來處理是好這不會是最後一次當然跟委員報告目前我們在找替代的航路那替代航路我們正在討論當中包含海跟空的部分那替代航路找出來之後我們的航路減少了必然它的流量就會受到影響流量的管理的部分我們也正在討論 |
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我認為這個其實平時你們就應該有類似這樣的一個準備了是你不要說今天突然間中國一宣布了那我們趕快再來做什麼我們基本的SOP都有但是我們要看他每一次他演習的區域不同我們來做調整 |
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相當不能夠盡快提出相關的應變措施你也應該盡快讓民眾了解到底有多少人或多少貨物多少航線會受到相關的一個影響是 我們的因應的措施會盡快跟我們來報告那我也認為我們政府應該要正式的提出對中國嚴厲的一個抗議是 沒錯那兩位局長來請你們進行就你們相關管轄事務趕快做出一定的一個回應 好嗎 |
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好 那兩位局長就先請回座了那部長今天我們大家來討論北捷這個不幸的事件我看很多的立委同仁都對表達關心剛剛討論的不外乎是橫向聯繫的問題種種警力不足 大家都討論這些 |
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我想請問部長你知不知道在北車有一個聯合防災中心這個我知道 我去過好幾次這個是2019年聯合成立的其實主要是由台鐵在管但是它這個聯合防災中心因為北車太大 太重要所以它管轄的大概有四鐵台鐵 高鐵 北鐵 還有桃鐵 桃園捷運這四個鐵 |
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那它管理的包括中山地下街、湛潛地下街、K區地下街還有微風廣場就民眾進出人非常多的一個地方聯合防災中心應該是24小時都要有人在裡面而且四個鐵都要派人在裡面我不知道案發的時候防災中心裡面這四鐵有沒有人在現場 |
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跟委員報告 目前營運的狀態是這樣房災中心有人在裡面有人在裡面但是沒有像委員所說的四鐵四接全部派員在裡面 目前是沒有按照規定是要的他一定有一定的相關規定好 再來你這個房災中心成立以後到現在只進行過一次的實地演習 |
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2019年成立 該年的10月23號有實際的演練 維安 還有一個縱火事件然後呢 2020年 一整年都沒有演練2021年 演練一次2022年 2023年 完全兩年都沒有演練了2024年 再演練一次所以這五年來 只演練三次其中一次 實地演練 |
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剩下兩次桌上推演你是在走路 還是在打擾我 我不知道用兵推的方式我覺得非常的沒有危機感我認為台灣過去治安太好造成官方沒有危機感其實很多民眾也沒有危機感所以我們在看到那個畫面那個兇手已經拿刀這樣到處跑 |
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我看經過很多民眾大家看了也沒有警覺這其實都是必須除了一些危機感的宣導以外就民防的演練就靠你們平常要有訓練是你成立一個災防中心要幹嘛五年不給你演練就演練過一次 失地了剩下兩次那個根本敷衍了事什麼叫桌上推演之安 |
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在桌上怎麼推演你有拍影片嗎你有錄音嗎演練什麼要不你敢公佈嗎部長你去了解一下好不好是 沒有錯平常太過鬆懈嘛所以像發生事情不知道要怎麼處理我到防災中心在開檢討會議的時候我也認為說這樣子演練的次數跟密度確實是不夠 |
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那過去我們會比較以這個火災跟水災等等在做演練那這個也是不對的對於人為的攻擊或者是一些危安的事件應該要多做演練好 那你也掌握到這個重點我再請部長看一下其實啊 這個試鐵啦就北車它有模擬可能遇到的狀況的一個可能發生率啦 |
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來 這是各類災害就評估的可能性可能會發生的機率火災67% 地震100%因為台灣會地震它各鐵各地下街都有發生什麼事故的可能發生的比率災害 跌宕 暴力攻擊公共危險 物品外洩 恐怖攻擊 水災 |
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列車出軌公共區域異常斷電還有其他等等寫得很好看啦就是說你已經預先評估什麼樣的事件發生的機率但是啦遇到某一個事件發生的機率的處理SOP啊來我們看一下你只準備兩個啦一個就是火災跟地震我請部長看一下啦 |
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你們的演練SOP只有針對火災跟地震 全都沒有但是你自己寫的 暴力攻擊可能發生率33%這很高吧 對不對 恐怖攻擊也是33%那發生類似這樣的暴力事件 就以北車這次事件來講 |
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你們是沒有列入你們的SOP你的SOP是列兩種一個就火災跟地震 我給你看一下這就是列SOP啦好 再來當事情發生的時候很多民眾還不知道因為 因為北側那麼大範圍那麼廣它可能有在地面 有可能在地下萬一發生突發狀況 |
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其實可以運用細胞簡訊你可以叫一般民眾不要再進入啦我看他今天也很怕人怕你怕你大家不知道發生什麼事啊你其實可以用細胞簡訊但是現在可以運用細胞簡訊的沒有包含視帖都沒有了交通部只有氣象署還有公路局 |
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時代在轉變啦 狀況在改變啦我請交通部應該要把你相關的公共運輸也要納入可以發送細胞簡訊的國安系統裡面你知道嗎 |
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因為我們什麼樣可以發射發射細胞檢訊它其中就有一項除了國家級警報還有一個叫緊急警報適用於民眾可能受到危害的災害你不可以來用細胞檢訊但目前你不能用因為沒有包括可發布的單位沒有包括公共運輸你應該把它納進來細胞檢訊啊政府在發明的時候 |
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這個不用錢 這個是本來我們留的一個管道是危難 緊急 災害的時候要用的 |
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你這個就不能贏了你就不能贏了趕快把這個漏洞給補起來好不好好 這個我們來朝這個方向來研究你當時其實可以通知所有的人大家都不要靠近北車不要進入北車我們當時只有透過廣播系統顯然是不足那我們可以透過這個可以運用的廣告應該多長來使用啊為什麼你交通部長要看一下為什麼你的公共運輸單位都沒有在細胞簡訊可發佈單位 |
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這個我們來討論我們來討論我們來研議請大家針對這次事件我們大家要好好地檢討不要再讓下一次的悲劇發生好嗎好 謝謝部長感謝主席林俊憲委員發言完畢 |