| IVOD_ID |
166679 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166679 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-26,19,15-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境、經濟、內政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[2] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[2] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境、經濟、內政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-24T12:44:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-24T12:55:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8b793423fad44d605177c661420519878f4e93bf07b6087f3e5e1c1e9a86b368252cafd17ebecc6f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:44:10 - 12:55:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境、經濟、內政委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查
一、委員陳冠廷等20人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
二、委員許宇甄等22人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
三、委員張嘉郡等20人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
四、委員王美惠等17人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
五、委員蔡易餘等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
六、委員劉建國等16人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
七、委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第三條條文修正草案」案。
八、委員盧縣一等20人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第三條條文修正草案」案。
九、委員徐欣瑩等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十、委員邱志偉等20人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十一、委員蔡其昌等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十二、委員呂玉玲等17人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十三、委員馬文君等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十四、委員徐富癸等17人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十五、委員游顥等26人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十六、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條、第三條及第四條條文修正草案」案。
十七、委員邱鎮軍等17人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案。
十八、委員陳超明等16人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案。
十九、委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十、委員何欣純等16人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十一、委員郭國文等16人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十二、委員陳瑩等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第三條條文修正草案」案。
二十三、委員陳秀寳等23人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十四、委員邱若華等16人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第三條條文修正草案」案。
二十五、委員陳俊宇等35人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十六、委員林俊憲等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案...等39案
(因系統字數上限，詳見議事日程)。
【第三十八案，如經院會復議，則不予審查；第三十九案，如未經院會交付本聯席會審查或未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查】
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謝謝主席 那我請部長來 請部長各位勞保局局長白局長部長辛苦啦你小到年輕 讚 |
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你說什麼 我說真的 我問你三個問題來 第一個問題就是有農民的觀念說他現在產殼病有三問題 四問題 五問題要做親農 但是做完之後是不是有災害 災害就親農去申請這樣他這個地主這個老農 |
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農保都沒了 農保的65歲以上應該不會這樣子嘛有啊 他們就沒有了清朝就把他幹掉啦 |
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這如果這樣你們這樣搶你青草我看這農博聯會就給你結束了我現在沒有在處理這個區塊你也知道這個區塊是過去這些農民有沒有他退休醫療然後他把這個低租給農民這是我們鼓勵的部分嘛他就在鼓勵這個小地主大電農嘛農民只要土地出租的話他的農民退休途徑是可以維持的嘛這個就被你們清掉囉農保的事我們沒有去清啦 |
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65歲以上沒有 所謂審計部要求我們清的我們才會去處理啦另外土地做建光墊建光墊那裡就不是農地了嘛 |
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他的農民身份也補去了不是 種光電的部分你如果說農地變更從農地變為非農地的時候那當然他沒有農地就是會處理但是你如果農許的話有沒有 都沒問題啊再來就是他的土地現在放在工業區裡面變工業區的地 他也沒有因為他的地目已經改了嘛 |
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所以這你們在清查的時候要很細緻啦我這樣看你們農保的老農老漁領津貼的現在本來從七八十萬現在已經掉到剩下五十來萬了不是 那個是因為年紀大了 亡生 凋零再來就是這個青農 他們 |
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不太敢說寄望於65歲以後捏這個老農津貼捏這個就我們死了所以大家都會做另外一套路所以大家都有勞保的身份嘛所以你們這裡的負擔會越來越少你們這裡的人會越來越少我想前陣子就比40幾萬、30幾萬高位反省沒辦法就有 |
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不會啦 我跟委員報告特別是在農民退休儲金很多委員的建議就是說我們一些勞保的固定雇主的這部分我們也開放他可以領退休儲金那這樣子的方式的話能夠鼓勵這些他來繼續從事農業 |
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你說的農保的儲金這是另外一個issue嗎不是農保儲金是他現在跟老保他是用一定雇主的這些老保的這些家保人他如果有從事農業的行為的時候我們可以讓他申請我們的農退儲金這樣的話他退休照樣有保障 |
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會請你們的人來來我辦公室大家一起收拾這個是委員提出來的建議啦你這個齁 你這個都亂說一條我告訴你你沒亂說這是委員建議我們也認同的喔 |
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九龍尾 九龍尾 一定雇主的老榮 老榮 老榮 老榮 老榮 老榮 老榮 老榮 老榮 老榮 |
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現在農民 像去年山珠河颱風 再來丹納斯颱風 再來楊柳颱風 接著接著接著就像我們部長說的 極端氣候所以這些農民 都頭頭雪扁烏龜都在吃頭農農農農 今天的津貼是在幫他們補償這就是想去嘛 |
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農業的收入這邊就沒有了你現在這是上去嘛 讓人家可以支撐你忘記說每天可以看餐桌 看餐盒我們家現在還在做事我們家現在還有水餃 還有 還有 還有香蕉有很多 但是我們如果 |
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有老農津貼要九十多個月過去我們到現在說沒辦法 都在做事喔我們家也要做事 但是都沒家人捏 也沒捏所以我跟我說農業部不錯喔你這樣一直衝 一直衝到最後都一樣在做事但是我到現在老農津貼的路還在做 |
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所以你在講的那個財政負擔我看這是沒那麼嚴重反省越來越少了我了解但是我們現在這一陣子這幾年來農業的人口結構剛好在轉型老農的退的速度大概一年到1萬5左右1萬4 1萬5左右然後新進的話還不到1萬 |
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進的比較少啦 退的比較多啦但是他最後會達到一個平衡點所以我們怎麼樣去鼓勵年輕人趕快進來去做一個比較有效的平衡啦所以不會說進來 你以後的錢在那邊收什麼錢你是不是要給他一支一支給他怕死啊我們現在設計的農民退休儲金他如果補30年跟勞保一樣補30年他的領的會比勞保的還多 |
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我這邊有資料啦就是後續就是領三萬如果三十年三萬九千三百六十年我上次在大院會總質詢有跟你報告的就是你現在的榮損都用成本的二十Percent來當榮損當補助嘛這你也相信你說要調整 |
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那是要調整嗎我們有調嘛 有調啦有調對 明年就公佈調兩百塊調五百塊這樣喔我們不是用錢花的我們會精算它的成本然後另外重複受一年重複受影響的多年級作物我們有加碼 |
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這剛才你有說 你說他高雷去保養保生的保險 保產險有27個樣品嘛 24個商品嘛28個品項 四張保單保的 保了個位數的翁來的啦什麼都不可以保嘛 木櫃也不可以保是誘因不夠 補助不夠 還是保一保到不夠不完這保養公司 每一個比一個還要一億錢啦產險公司這要一億錢啦 |
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447.829 |
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所以我前幾天跟卓院長說你那些農金屬這麼多要用這麼好這裡要有錢你自己補就好了這些農民是你的子民不然你會有300萬人在從事農藝部這些人他們在做的工作企業像我們屏東企業你也給保安給他遇到災害的時候不要學本有過真的是會期待吃土 跳牢 |
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總預算先審我們就很多事情都能夠處理好 這我們來努力做真的是總預算沒審我們真的什麼都不能動啊 |
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516.462 |
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再來前面的題目要講我們生活上你說台北 台中 屏東都15000元起跳 最少所以我拿的版本 15000元你就會覺得 喔 給1000元 給幾億 多幾億我想 到時候會領得人會越來越少沒有像你講的那麼多 而且 |
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543.883 |
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你要講的不是菜市場在化假我們八千、一萬、萬千,我們在化假你連那個老鵝、老鵬、老蝙蝠就要安定的時候都一萬五千四啦所以,寶丁,你做好好的考量好好的研究以這個為目標啦那大家可以來協商,這樣好不好 |
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567.644 |
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我想額度提高是大家的共識那提高到多少錢一定是看我們的財政負擔那也不會像委員說的以後我們的負擔會越來越少相對的就是說我們很努力讓年輕人進來透過退休儲金去保障他的退休保障那這個部分我想最後還會看到他的橫平性 |
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589.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
那另外8110如果拉到15000的話那將近拉了快一倍啦那這個考慮到其他的公平性的問題這個我想我們都要去考量因為我們當然沒有說我農業部一定是希望農民津貼是一個很好的一個制度但是從行政院的角度從行政團隊的角度我們要考慮其他的社福屋 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
614.31 |
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五十三萬人八千一百多是差不多四百九十幾億如果用一萬五的話差不多就將近九百億啦而且他最低所得利用最低所得的省但是老農他退休以後還有將近三十萬人是在從事農業他有其他的所得嘛然後他也有同他的子女在照顧嘛他不是唯一透過這八一一來生活的你這樣說是倒過話什麼他還要 |
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639.732 |
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七十個八十個你去國籌看看那老輝在那裡做農那是國府里莊他沒夠生活你從那裡動作說他還在那裡厭倦我都生病了我想我們這一期一個基本的政府提供給農民退休以後的一個福利的一個津貼嘛那相對的這個部分我想我們一起努力啦看看怎麼樣去處理好 部長你們農糧署的來研究一下好不好 |
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649.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
662.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
等一下找蘇委員報導一下跟蘇委員講一下這個我們通過之後如果預算你們還不審的話新增的是不能動的提醒一下 |