| IVOD_ID |
166677 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166677 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-26,19,15-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境、經濟、內政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[2] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[2] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境、經濟、內政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-24T12:15:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-24T12:26:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:49 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8b793423fad44d609af3afc5b6bb6a328f4e93bf07b6087f3e5e1c1e9a86b368252cafd17ebecc6f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊曜 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:15:33 - 12:26:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境、經濟、內政委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查
一、委員陳冠廷等20人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
二、委員許宇甄等22人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
三、委員張嘉郡等20人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
四、委員王美惠等17人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
五、委員蔡易餘等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
六、委員劉建國等16人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
七、委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第三條條文修正草案」案。
八、委員盧縣一等20人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第三條條文修正草案」案。
九、委員徐欣瑩等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十、委員邱志偉等20人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十一、委員蔡其昌等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十二、委員呂玉玲等17人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十三、委員馬文君等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十四、委員徐富癸等17人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十五、委員游顥等26人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十六、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條、第三條及第四條條文修正草案」案。
十七、委員邱鎮軍等17人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案。
十八、委員陳超明等16人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案。
十九、委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十、委員何欣純等16人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十一、委員郭國文等16人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十二、委員陳瑩等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第三條條文修正草案」案。
二十三、委員陳秀寳等23人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十四、委員邱若華等16人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第三條條文修正草案」案。
二十五、委員陳俊宇等35人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十六、委員林俊憲等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案...等39案
(因系統字數上限，詳見議事日程)。
【第三十八案，如經院會復議，則不予審查；第三十九案，如未經院會交付本聯席會審查或未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查】
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謝謝主席 主席請一下保險局局長保險局白局長 |
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局長我們今天雖然是修老紅福利津貼暫行條例不過就是提高老紅津貼這個本席是贊成的我有 |
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因為這個問題所以所以講到我們的勞保問題還是非常嚴重那你現在是勞保局局長之前是保險司的司長所以大概相關的問題你也都了解那我這樣子講假如說假如到最後是定案把老農津貼增加到每個月一萬五千元 |
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我先講就是增加到多少本席都沒有意見可是我們用這個一萬五千元來對比一下勞工勞退的部分 |
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就是說113年底的資料呢勞保裡面的年金給付每個月領一萬五的人其實是超過五十萬那老王今天現在領的人大概也也差不多四五十萬啦就是多少五十三啊對 那就差不多啦就是說 |
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而且这50个人呢平均的投保年资大概超过22年那一个是政府纯粹给的津贴一个是社会保险的给付这个对于很多劳工会不会很不公平局长你讲一下你的看法 |
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是 報告委員喔勞工保險像委員剛才提它是一個社會保險所以在我們勞保的老年年金的金額它主要計算的取決標準是在它的投保年資還有平均投保薪資那當然年資越長投保薪資越長可以領的金額也會越高我知道 我現在是說你要不要就你的立場表態一下津貼的問題就是說 |
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我有在講喔就是說勞保年金它本身是受給負責它是自己繳保費國家成立的一個社會保險我繳保費繳了22年可是呢我月領1500元以下的超過50萬 |
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那津貼呢 是政府的給予的福利給付那它的人數也大概超過五十萬那都是一萬五 你有沒有什麼看法你覺得公不公平 我直接這樣子問好了 |
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那個報告委員 勞保局我們這邊受託辦理老農津貼的一個發法那從老農津貼 剛才部長也有提到從照顧農民的角度以及兼具財政上面的一個可行性上面會就老農津貼的金額上面去做一些大家整體的考量那從局這邊 因為我們在受託業務上面我們會尊重農業部在相關金額上面不是 你當然要尊重 我現在不是在問這個問題我是說你會不會覺得勞工領得太少 |
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對我們勞動體系來講其實能夠給勞工更好的照顧一定是我們勞動部會往這個方向去努力的那我看這個方向你們已經努力了十年啦你從保險師到現在你覺得有什麼可以努力的還是撥補就是你們唯一的努力 |
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報告委員也非常謝謝委員會在上個禮拜我們審查通過了勞保條例六十六條跟六十九條那也謝謝委員因為委員非常重視我們勞保財務 |
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在政府付最終支付責任委員也有提案還有將我們政府要撥補的這個都入法明訂那另外也在條文上個禮拜也有特別提到要有定期的財務檢討機制外我們在委員會有特別通過一個附帶決議就是委員所關心的除了撥補之外我們參考各國在年金改革的一個經驗他是多管旗下的一個開源節流的一個措施所以相關的措施部分的話局長你直接跟我講 |
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在國際上多館旗下的其中哪一館你覺得台灣是可以先行來做的 |
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跟委員報告那一天的附帶決議其實裡面也有提到我們長期勞動部這邊希望能夠再促進勞工能夠再續留職場或者是說可能那天也有提到在附帶決議裡面希望我們能夠炒我們在相關的基金投資收益率或者是說在我們勞保局審核面有關納保面或給付面等等我想他的面相非常的廣闊續留職場是不是續留職場是含蓄的講白話是不是就是延長退休年限 |
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我們在之前有通過中高齡的就業專法中高齡 促進中高齡就業專法那我們會往那個角度其實這幾年勞動部在這一方面的努力我們也一直在往這邊做相關的一個我現在問的是法定退休年齡延後這可能就是因為委員這邊關心說國外的各種改革的方式那國外的方式其實都有很多種它不管是從納保層面的 |
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或者是從給付層面的確都有那之前在國內我們也討論了非常的有一段時間大家在做交集那因為從不同的不管是從勞工層面或者從資方層面或者從政府財政上面或者是說不同的年齡層大家其實都還有不同的意見所以這部分大家也希望能夠在改革的過程中能夠確保勞工的生活保障可以不要受到影響之下那能夠大家再做一些及時廣益 |
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就是一定會受到影響因為老容津貼已經提高到這樣子了那勞保一直改革沒有進度當然我們上個禮拜委員會把政府撥補的責任入法然後把最終責任給負責任入法那這個都不是改革的本身就是說老容津貼比較快因為他是國家直接 |
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直接給付所以比較快就是透過修法就可以增加老農的收入保障他的生活老保不一樣老保你們假如說一直還是停留在這裡那遲早因為其實 |
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坦白說這幾年的通貨膨脹真的非常嚴重領一萬五千元的勞工這麼少這麼多這個到底怎麼生活你們回去要看一看我今天並不想為難你我只是說藉由提這個 |
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這個法案然後連結過來讓你們知道勞工有多慘這樣子而已 瞭解非常謝謝韋爺的關心 我再請一下農業部部長 部長我簡單跟你討論一個問題部長好 部長我剛剛有聽到你你一直在說有關老王今天排布條款的 |
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的修改問題那我們現在的條件有不動產的價值然後有個人所得的問題嗎有三個部分一個是所得的部分一個是土地跟房屋的一個價值的部分然後另外還有個唯一自住房的一個扣除額的部分三個部分那我就中額所得總額不得超過50萬這個你們有沒有可能會改 |
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我剛才提到了就是我們所會來會提到送到立法院的版本裡面包括所得的部分包括排付財產的部分所得的部分你們會怎麼改因為所得的部分基本上過去都沒有根據CPI調整我們這一次會把它導入一次根據過去沒有累積的CPI一次到位 |
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我簡單建議一下就是綜合所得的部分我們是不是要區分區分被動收入跟主動收入就是說因為 |
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台灣邁入中高齡社會嘛那勞動部也一直在鼓勵中高齡再投入就業市場所以假如說可以把他的勞力所得扣除在外可能一方面也公平嘛另外一方面也可以提高他的就業意願 |
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避免他為了要領津貼然後原本可以再投入職場的機會反而就沒有了對於個人跟國家都是一種損失 |
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612.588 |
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我跟委員報告我第一個要先說明這邊的所得的部分是指非農業的所得當然農業的所得都不會去處理都不會排掉那非農業的所得的部分就是他有從事農業以外的兼職的工作對但是你的兼職的工作如果太多的話這等於說 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
613.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
643.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
那個本業跟兼業變成顛倒了啦但是我們在考慮這個部分的時候我們是用所有的所得嘛去做處理如果再分一些主動的被動的那那個變成更複雜變成個人中二所得的這個是個人中二所得嗎我是提供提供你們做參考啦我覺得就是他假如願意願意再再投入職場我們應該要鼓勵啦好謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
643.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
649.002 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
響鐘 |