| IVOD_ID |
166669 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166669 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-26,19,15-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境、經濟、內政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[2] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[2] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境、經濟、內政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-24T13:33:24+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-24T13:42:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:49 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8b793423fad44d6017e7812e5cf5b9888f4e93bf07b6087f40144ed783f343301e7a2a83f9da65db5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:33:24 - 13:42:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境、經濟、內政委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查
一、委員陳冠廷等20人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
二、委員許宇甄等22人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
三、委員張嘉郡等20人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
四、委員王美惠等17人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
五、委員蔡易餘等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
六、委員劉建國等16人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
七、委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第三條條文修正草案」案。
八、委員盧縣一等20人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第三條條文修正草案」案。
九、委員徐欣瑩等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十、委員邱志偉等20人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十一、委員蔡其昌等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十二、委員呂玉玲等17人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十三、委員馬文君等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十四、委員徐富癸等17人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十五、委員游顥等26人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十六、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條、第三條及第四條條文修正草案」案。
十七、委員邱鎮軍等17人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案。
十八、委員陳超明等16人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案。
十九、委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十、委員何欣純等16人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十一、委員郭國文等16人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十二、委員陳瑩等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第三條條文修正草案」案。
二十三、委員陳秀寳等23人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十四、委員邱若華等16人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第三條條文修正草案」案。
二十五、委員陳俊宇等35人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十六、委員林俊憲等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案...等39案
(因系統字數上限，詳見議事日程)。
【第三十八案，如經院會復議，則不予審查；第三十九案，如未經院會交付本聯席會審查或未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查】
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謝謝主席 我想要請陳部長來 請部長部長好 現在調高是不是已經是可行了對不對 調高嘛適度的調高也是我們農業部的立場對啊 那到底暫行條例要不要拿掉 |
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战情条例如果根据刚才我们的法治说战情条例已经实行了这么多年已经变成一个常态了那我个人的立场也是希望说如果拿掉没有影响的话除非说拿掉以后很多法律的条例要重修那就比较麻烦 |
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暫行條例拿掉會重修嗎我不知道因為有暫行條例跟沒有暫行條例本身的法律的這些條文看需要不需要調整如果不需要調整那相對單純如果還需要調整的時候那就比較麻煩所以原則上我也希望能拿掉就可以拿掉所以只要不要調整或者是把調整的內容就是也是拿出來再修過那就可以把暫行條例就 |
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對我現在如果沒有特別影響在法律規範是可以的話我希望是可以把它拿掉第一個我們未來老農今天就是要把基數先拉高嘛是不是把他的基數對基數先拉高嘛雖然說大家現在還有一些就是說到底拉多高這個大家都至少是一萬塊以上嘛對不對 |
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抗我們的財政是不是就一萬塊以上是不是那到底未來CPI你剛才也講的就是說有一點就是回答前面我以為有點模糊到底CPI的這個 |
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調整的機制是兩年或者是四年我這樣講我們在設計的過程裡面就額度的部分第一個部分把那個基底拉高一點第二個部分就是現在是每四年根據CPI調整一次 |
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那我们希望说每四年还是维持着但是两年我就做其中检讨那这个其中检讨如果他的CPI达到某一个触发点就是3%或5%的时候那我们就当年度就开始调整可是四年到了还是会去确定他会调超过3%不用 |
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假设说4年是4%好了然后两年的时候是3%那以现在的制度一定要等到4年才会调嘛然后新的机制我们的设计是两年就只有减4%它如果超过3%假设那我就调了可是后面两年只剩下一%嘛 |
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我照调所以我维持4年一次的一个循环的时候是对您最有利的等于就是说你按照原本的4年调整一次但是如果两年超过了4年那个幅度的时候你们就调了不是 超过一个3%到5%只要超过那个出发门槛我就调整那后面的两年不管多少我还是会调 |
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那最近幾年來就是說你們今年大概是3.59吧 是3年多少3.9所以如果按照你的機制今年就如果大院這邊大家討論的話是3%的話就可以調如果是5%就不能調 |
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所以如果就是說未來是3%調整就是觸及3%就調整一次的話那今年就等於明年就要開始調了對不對是 如果是最後的法律的規範是這樣的話就可以調整對 那即便總預算不通過的情況下我們經常門還是會進行嗎總預算不過的話什麼都不用談我是說經常門咧不是 我們 |
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總預算沒過的話新興計劃是不能動第二個延續性計劃你新增加的經費也不能動那個老農津貼本身是一個老農津貼本來就有了但是因為你提高的話你新增加的經費是不能動的 |
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可是我們必須要給國人知道台灣的預算的制度跟美國不一樣美國是總預算不通過什麼都不能動可是台灣不是只有新興計畫還有延續性的新增計畫就是今天如果要增強延續性的計畫新增的經費也不能動 |
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舉個例子我今天通過了總預算不過的話我還是只能領8110因為這個經費可是如果我們通過的施行日期是按照就是說就是即時即刻 一樣啊你總預算不給什麼都不用說啊我知道啊 不過未來你可以再追溯嘛對不對沒有 |
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289.983 |
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313.201 |
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未來可以追溯嘛 但總預算通過了就可以追溯啦 對不對沒有 追溯是另外一件事情但是我們還是希望說年度的預算能夠希望委員的支持趕快省啦那有一些東西我也是希望說趕快省啦 不過還有有的地方卡地卡地人都不可以搬嘛 對不對 |
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315.835 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
336.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
還有有的部份都要按照法律來編嘛我非常感謝委員對農業這個議題本身的一個對農民的一些照顧跟希望能夠照顧他們的福利但是我剛才講的我們都很願意像我今天的版本都很正面的回應那回應完了以後需要的經費那一定要總預算通過啦 |
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336.843 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
363.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
我知道啦 所以拜託一下我是說即便是我們先按照原本的但是未來總預算通過的時候我們就可以農民就無感啦 因為變成說慢了啦慢了啦那這樣的話我們的計畫也不用那麼快送委員會啦因為送委員會也不能執行嘛喔 你就是用一個卡我們一個沒有沒有 這個是我們很認真的去什麼時候可以來老王津貼 |
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364.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
381.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
我想我們盡快的跟行政院溝通看看會不會排入院會啦排入院會完了以後就能夠立刻的再請召委安排相關的一個逐條審查的部分所以牌婦也會都會一起處理啦也會進行調整嘛那進行調整的情況是如何 |
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381.665 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
408.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
我想排富的部分第一個部分就是所得的部分我們會根據CPI一次到位就是現在目前CPI已經累積到16%從100年然後財產的部分是根據土地公告限值那土地公告限值現在目前的一個一個增幅大概是64.78那我也希望能夠根據土地公告限值來提高然後包括自用住宅的部分也有一定位來提高 |
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409.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
426.743 |
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那我相信我們那自用住宅會分區嗎也會來處理那我相信分區處理吧因為不同縣分區會比較麻煩會根據土地公告限制的部分不過我想我們提出來的版本針對排富的部分我相信一定會讓委員滿意啊 |
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428.467 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
453.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
好那我最後再問一個就是說農民商業保險的部分我就是說農業部是不是預計就是2026年開始提供續保的農民額外5%的保費補助我們當初這個設計就是我們不希望農民就是用堵天跟天對堵的方式就是好像有天災的才去保沒有天災的就不保 |
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476.319 |
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那我們希望它是一個常態性的所以我們利用這個5%希望說它能夠持續保這樣的話投保人越多的時候相對的大家共同分擔那個風險的機會越大因為現在你們農民商業保險的推動除了一些政策型的大部分都是商業保險然後好像都其他的保險推動的還不夠有力 |
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476.699 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
499.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
所以我才會說農業保險在我的立場一定要重視品質比重視數量這也是你們很重視的一個新型態的保險過去我們現在辦的保單大概28個品項44張保單但是我覺得有些保單投保人數太低我不想再衝那個量我希望說重視那個品質每一張保單都有很多人來投保 |
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500.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
523.944 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
所以我們會設計更大的一些誘因然後我也把很多天氣參數放進去就是天氣參數達到了就啟動不要在那邊勘栽太麻煩的方式這個我想我們一起來努力好那就麻煩了好不好那希望說未來可以提供農民以及我們所有的農業的產業有一個更好的保障會謝謝那也希望委員能夠能夠讓總預算趕快審謝謝好謝謝 |