| IVOD_ID |
166652 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166652 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-26,19,15-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境、經濟、內政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[2] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[2] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境、經濟、內政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-24T11:36:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-24T11:45:25+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:35 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8b793423fad44d60b2715fe5a8022f238f4e93bf07b6087fd81c25c0c566a88ae8a977c2421e346e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:36:50 - 11:45:25 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境、經濟、內政委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查
一、委員陳冠廷等20人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
二、委員許宇甄等22人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
三、委員張嘉郡等20人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
四、委員王美惠等17人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
五、委員蔡易餘等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
六、委員劉建國等16人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
七、委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第三條條文修正草案」案。
八、委員盧縣一等20人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第三條條文修正草案」案。
九、委員徐欣瑩等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十、委員邱志偉等20人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十一、委員蔡其昌等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十二、委員呂玉玲等17人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十三、委員馬文君等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十四、委員徐富癸等17人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十五、委員游顥等26人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十六、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條、第三條及第四條條文修正草案」案。
十七、委員邱鎮軍等17人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案。
十八、委員陳超明等16人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案。
十九、委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十、委員何欣純等16人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十一、委員郭國文等16人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十二、委員陳瑩等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第三條條文修正草案」案。
二十三、委員陳秀寳等23人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十四、委員邱若華等16人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第三條條文修正草案」案。
二十五、委員陳俊宇等35人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十六、委員林俊憲等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案...等39案
(因系統字數上限，詳見議事日程)。
【第三十八案，如經院會復議，則不予審查；第三十九案，如未經院會交付本聯席會審查或未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查】
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主席 各位委員 有請部長來 請陳部長委員好部長好這個有關老農津貼暫行條例事實上這個實施已經三十年了到今年正好是三十年了等一下 |
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不好意思好這個30年所以本席在去年3月13號去年3月13號就提出來要把這個暫行 |
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這兩個字既然已經實施40年了到去年是39了到今年正好是30年所以這個部分這個一定要拿掉這是第一個第二個在法制面沒有問題法制面沒有問題當初之所以加戰刑就是暫時的 |
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十十幾年就可以不要了採用暫行那現在既然已經要繼續實施了也不會停了除非廢止除非廢止所以這個在法制面沒有問題所以大家有這個共識好我們看這個原住民原住民的這個 |
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年齡的 剛才部長也做了一些回應事實上如果我們從其他的法例國民年金法年住民就是55歲然後呢公務人員退休之前撫恤法公務人員年住民年住民55歲55歲這個公立學校教職員退休之前撫恤條例 |
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原住民也是55岁之所以会这样子定就是因为原住民与非原住民的这个平均移民有真的很有确实有这个确实有这个落差了所以当然部长又会用上次回应的刚才你也回应了就说这个事实上 |
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從事農業的基本上他的餘命比較高所以因為我們在處理老農津貼所以一定要用這個族群來看這個東西我知道你有講過事實上如果仔細分析其實不是這樣我們可以另外在主條的時候再討論好我們看這個 |
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老農今天他這個基於職業屬性的一個福利基金 你們說這個不宜再針對不同族群而有不同的一個規範這個 而延民會今天的報告就說這個提案反對原住民族權利有提升者本會 就是延民會競表贊同這個部分 |
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這個我剛有講如果從我們的平均移民確實有這個落差剛才那個表是三地原住民跟平地原住民平均的一個表如果是三地原住民那個差距更大 |
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這是以全部的原住民當作統計的母數那我剛才說的如果是以從事農業領老農津貼的這個當作母數的話它是比全國的漁民還高你這樣的一個計算是因為 不是不是那個部長你要去計算的話你要先從不是從老農津貼因為老農津貼幾歲開始 |
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65岁啊对嘛是因为65岁去算的时候可以老农金农民退出租金的但是如果你从这个年轻的时候开始算农民年轻的时候你永远不知道他什么时候过往对就是所以从事农业的部分只能说从事农业的已经在领老农津贴的这个族群去算 |
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這個如果你從從農民農民整個原住民的農民跟全國的農民的平均移民你去比較的話你就不會你就會改變你的想法不然的話為什麼國民年金法會這樣子制定為什麼這個公務人員的教職員的 |
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確實是這樣 確實是如此所以這個部分就是有很多繳了之後以公務人員來講他每個月繳那個提撥儲金結果他還沒有55歲還沒有65歲他就離開了 |
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所以才會去降低才會有這樣的一個規劃我不了解其他的其他的那些條文裡面55歲的部分的立法的原因不過以農業部來講我們還是用從事農業的這個族群去計算所以是當然所以他的餘命是比較高的所以要以從事農業然後要以所有的族群非原住民從事農業他幾歲開始 |
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然後到整個 對啊我們我們就是這樣因為從事農業你有領老農 表示你有加農保然後有領老農津貼的部分他的餘命就是82點多歲嘛好 這個部分這個園民會一直想要說明要說明嗎好 好 請來 副組長 |
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這個其實也是衛福部在112年提出的那個說法就是因為針對這個那個老農津貼的部分行政院跟都有邀請各部會來討論過了那我們剛剛部長所講的部分是從112年的那個報告來看的話 |
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那個衛福部的原住民勤領那個老農津貼的部分是82.9歲然後剛剛部長意思就是說那個是高於那個非原民的勤領的部分其實從報告上來看衛福部講的是他是82原住民勤領的平均年齡82.9歲是高於全體國人的 |
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平均余命也就是他并不是跟非原名的老农来去做比较如果我们用那个老农来比较的话65岁以下的那个原名的秦岭的平均余命跟 |
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跟非原民的老農來比較的話其實原民的老農是平均餘命是低於3.3歲那如果我們是就所有的農保的那個投保人數來算的話那那個 |
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原民的老農的那個平均原命是跟非原民的差到5.5歲這是111年的一個數據好 再把這個書面的資料再提供給我好不好這個部分我們希望能夠做非常明確的一個處理 |
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好 因為時間的關係因為我還要去財政委員會去質詢就到這邊好 謝謝 謝謝政委 謝謝部長好 接下來請丁學忠委來做詢問 |