| IVOD_ID |
166640 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166640 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-24T10:52:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-24T11:04:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8b793423fad44d602e8b9ac6e7501fe363a8c7f6258665b2d81c25c0c566a88a9b03abd11ba7a7725ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:52:11 - 11:04:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲、金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆、國家發展委員會副主任委員、內政部次長、外交部次長、國防部副部長、教育部次長、法務部次長、經濟部次長、交通部次長、勞動部次長、農業部次長、衛生福利部次長、運動部次長、環境部次長、文化部次長、數位發展部次長、僑務委員會副委員長、國家科學及技術委員會副主任委員、海洋委員會副主任委員、國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會副主任委員、人事行政總處副人事長、國立故宮博物院副院長、原住民族委員會副主任委員、客家委員會副主任委員、中央選舉委員會副主任委員、核能安全委員會副主任委員、公平交易委員會副主任委員、國家通訊傳播委員會副主任委員、大陸委員會副主任委員、公共工程委員會副主任委員就「115年度中央政府總預算案至今尚未審查，近3,000億元之新興、新增計畫將無法推動，對國家整體發展之影響」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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我要质询的这个部会有点多所以我就先念等一下相关主题的时候再依序上来请主席邀请我们包含主计处财政部交通部劳动部卫福部运动部教育部请相关被点名的部会直接就到前面来 |
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來 主計長 先請教一下這個總預算到現在都還沒有覆違喔不是還沒有審查 連覆違都沒有覆違然後這個就您所知的話以前有這個中央政府的總預算到現在都還沒有覆違的情況嗎大概沒有沒有 |
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我們去年已經拖了很久了去年至少到11月的時候有附委然後審查到今年的大概1月20幾號吧至少有審查 至少有附委今年是連附委都還沒有附委我看這個在野黨大概也不會讓他附委審查了 |
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所以我剛剛聽到我們林思明召委在幫他的選區來爭取這個地區訓練預算我心裡的感觸蠻多的啦我們委員都希望能夠在中央爭取預算回到我們自己的選區但是如果連中央政府的總預算都沒辦法通過的話那怎麼可能說我在中央在擋預算然後在地方在爭取預算嘛這是矛盾的嘛那剛剛教育部是講得很含蓄 |
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這個在新竹市的部分的話新竹市新竹縣苗栗縣我們還特別針對了竹竹苗這個高級就是高級中等學校校舍補助有3億耶這是新的計畫嘛對不對市長市長是是是這新的計畫啊新的計畫你要大聲說出來新的計畫3億元就受阻啦這就是在竹竹苗啊是對不對 |
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今天讓各個部會來跟全民來講到底你們這些總預算新興的計畫還有包含延續計畫裡面的新增計畫裡面有沒有通過的問題在哪裡會影響有多少人特地安排了這一個專報就是要讓你們講出來那像那個市長你也沒有講出來啊你租住苗就是有3億元耶新增的計畫你就是沒辦法處理啊對不對 |
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剛剛也特別跟林委員報告說新竹市1.5億新竹縣1.2億苗栗縣0.3億影響了580間新建教室會受到影響影響到2000名的學生權益這你們要大聲說出來啊完全沒有說出來那請問一下現在地方的這個總預算是不是應該都已經審查完均了 |
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大部分啊那如果審查的話一定是有中央補助的預算嘛對不對那如果中央補助的預算中央現在總預算沒辦法過那對於地方的這個總預算影響會有多大 |
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補助地方的部分有507億元左右那這個部分受到影響就是在新興計畫的部分那這個部分他就會沒有辦法動之那他地方比較遭遇首先遭遇到的大概就是年關的一個調度那年關的調度就需要我們中央來對他來做一個協助那這個協助的部分我們也是希望能夠大院能夠趕快審查預算我們也盡量來協助地方來解決 |
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所以我們補助地方的507億那這個地方預算他們搞不好已經通過啦就在等中央總預算通過嘛 |
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她這個部分他們是列在稅入啦稅入的部分這樣子那如果對啊那如果沒有補助的話稅入就沒有沒有稅入的話怎麼有稅數咧因為我們會影響到了就是說我們在一般性補助裡面有一個321億對地方補助的差額補助那就是比較財力比較不好的一個縣市的一個補助這個部分會影響比較大這321億也沒有啊對也沒有嘛 |
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所以還有507億是直接補助的地方還有中央自辦地方受益的還有130億對所以總共有637億是然後呢 這個經常性的這個費用但是我們是比114年新增加的部分1805億是所以有含地方的嘛這個部分也有含地方但這個部分因為拆解比較困難所以這個部分我們沒有目前沒有拆解出來這樣子 |
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好 我再請教一下交通部剛剛有提到這個T-passT-pass在我們這個新北 雙北這個北北桃機其實使用的人數高達52.8萬我們補助的金額是高達37億就是光是這個北北機桃全部啦 全國的話是補助地方59億嘛那補助地方如果說這個總預算沒有通過的話給地方的補助就沒有了嘛 |
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包委員 沒有沒有那沒有如果說地方要維持這個TPAS的話他們自己要付錢目前如果看起來是這樣因為中央要錢沒有辦法到位對啊 因為我們是這個補助這等於是補助59億給地方嘛那下次他們要跟這個中央要補助是哪個時候 |
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如果說明年剛講一開始當然就明年1月1號開始他就會有影響整個的影響會有啊所以如果說要維持TPAS能夠繼續運作的話地方政府要自己出錢可以這麼說我們沒有錢給補助了嘛目前沒有辦法錢給他好 那個請運動部運動部是新興的部會啦這唯一新興的部會當然這個受到影響也是蠻大的那你們基本上是從體育署延續過來的 |
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那你們預算受到影響有38.8億那其中有30億是說補助地方政府辦理興建運動場館還有場地設施是不是包圍原室那這個大概是哪些設施勒 |
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包委員他主要是在全民運動推廣所需要一些設施還有一些專項的訓練場地檢疫運動場館等等其實是不少對於因為我們這次主要的預算所以地方都報上來了嗎地方是有報上來地方有報上來了那新北有沒有報新北有報新北有報新北報了什麼包委員那個整個清單我這邊目前好你再給我所以也30億沒辦法補助到地方去了對 |
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那我再問一下這個勞動部跟衛福部我們有一個政策生育幾戶差額補助都給他提到10萬塊那就是說因為這個我們對象比如說勞保 國保 公教人員 農保跟軍人這個我們本來要撥補41.2億 |
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給這些對象這些對象大概有超過12萬人好 那請問一下這個不是每個對象都可以拿到10萬塊比如說勞保生育給付平均是7萬塊所以如果這個10萬塊沒有過就少了3萬塊所以他明年一樣領7萬塊那影響多少人 影響10.2萬人那國保的部分 |
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所以他大概少領了6.1萬嗎主要這邊影響最多 |
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對啊 如果這10萬塊補下去的話我們的勞保的話可以多拿3萬平均來講啦我們的國保的話可以多拿6.1萬 |
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主要就是希望說願意生育的女性她都能夠齊一的拿到這樣子10萬那沒有這10萬塊就沒有這些補助了嘛還是維持原來的國保就維持原來的那主卸處知道嗎那公教人員咧知不知道這個數字會少領著多少跟10萬塊的差額農保 軍人有這個數字嗎 |
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沒有這個數字等一下會後再提供給我就是說我們要補到10萬塊至少我手邊資料就是說勞保就少了3萬國保就少了6.1萬那這個是多少家庭他們在期待的就是說至少說今年過後我如果有生小孩的話我至少都可以領到這些的補助 |
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那現在沒有這些沒有這些預算啊沒有這些預算的話那都受到影響啊然後包含這一個我們也有補助這個地方政府我自己新北市也有設立這一個公用公托嘛對這些也都受到影響所以報告委員我們這邊其實在少子化少子女化對策計畫2.0我們要做那個 |
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公共化的托育設施這邊我們編了13億明年度那這個部分如果沒有新興計畫沒有過的話這13億沒有辦法下去那地方上面大家我想我們對於生育這邊除了剛剛講到的補助之外最重要的事情就是公托公幼公托這一塊那公托這一塊我知道我想委員也很關心大家都非常關心那大家也很需求這一塊的補助如果沒有新興計畫沒有過的話我們這塊補助沒有辦法出來那所以地方政府就自己出 |
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611.4 |
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如果地方政府那就會是地方政府的財力跟地方政府的預算的狀況那沒辦法出這個公幼公托大家新手爸媽都很期待說能夠增加公幼公托的名額我看這個大概這個機會也沒有了所以其實前面有委員提到說我們在喊窮喊可憐不是我們窮跟可憐是國家明明有錢但是我們應該要讓民眾人民能夠得到他需求的滿足而且我們照顧的是所有我們需要照顧的人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
612.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
633.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
可憐的是人民啊官員照臉薪水可憐是人民你財政有經費也有但是你撥不出去那請問一下這個主席總署新北市受到的這一個補助總共有多少會受到影響算了一下應該有15億啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
636.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
641.151 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
15億包含這個T-PASS10.26排水整治3.53還有無人載具0.57這些等等這個T-PASS影響到10億運動這個品牌賽事5000萬然後呢 河川的整治3億5000萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
655.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
659.627 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
然後教育部補助高中採購無人機還有課程4300萬文化部補助再造歷史現場1455萬內政部消防署補助無人機450萬這些加起來超過15億 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
675.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
697.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
這是我新北市部分而已那我也希望說這個新北市的立委不分黨派共同來支持那地方的議員也一直希望說我們中央的預算能夠通過那不然中央預算是沒辦法通過中央的補助就是零 就是落空對於每個縣市不是只有我新北市的所有的計畫都會受到影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
698.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
723.815 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
所以今天特別邀請所有受到影響的各個部會一起來參與這個專報就是要把你們所遇到的困難遇到的問題要跟全民來講有些新興的計畫你立法院沒有通過就是沒辦法用延續計畫可以新興計畫你超過快三千億就是沒辦法用籃板沒有點頭就是沒辦法用要把這個困境把它說出來謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
726.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
730.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
好 謝謝主席 謝謝李坤臣召委接下來請顏寬恆委員質詢 |