iVOD / 16664

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IVOD_ID 16664
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16664
日期 2025-05-12
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-3-15-19
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第3會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 3
會議資料.會次 19
會議資料.種類 委員會
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] 15
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] 內政委員會
會議資料.標題 第11屆第3會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議
影片種類 Full
開始時間 2025-05-12T08:38:10+08:00
結束時間 2025-05-12T14:16:00+08:00
影片長度 05:37:50
支援功能[0] ai-transcript
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會議時間 2025-05-12T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議(事由:一、處理114年度中央政府總預算有關海洋委員會及所屬預算解凍案。二、處理114年度中央政府總預算有關不當黨產處理委員會預算解凍案。三、處理、審查114年度中央政府總預算有關中央選舉委員會及所屬預算解凍案。四、處理114年度中央政府總預算有關大陸委員會預算解凍案。五、處理、審查114年度中央政府總預算有關客家委員會及所屬預算解凍案。 【5月12日(星期一)、14日(星期三)、15日(星期四)三天一次會】)
委員名稱 完整會議
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transcript.whisperx[0].text 好請主任秘書報告出席人數出席委員員私人已足法定人數好現在開會請進行報告事項請宣讀上次會議事錄
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transcript.whisperx[1].text 立法院第11届第三会期内政委员会第18次全体委员会议议事录时间114年5月8日星期四上午9时3分至11时37分地点红楼202会议室出席委员苏巧慧委员等13人面席委员卢明才委员等16人请假委员黄建斌委员1人面席官员内政部部长刘世芳及相关人员国家住宅及都市更新中心董事长花静群及相关人员
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 法务部参事廖江泄主席刘昭及委员许婷报告事项宣读上次会议议事录决定确定二邀请内政部部长国家住宅及都市更新中心董事长就都市更新与维老重建之执行成效及未来展望进行专题报告并被质询报告事项与讨论事项合并询答内政部部长刘世芳报告委员苏巧慧等15人质询分别由内政部部长刘世芳及相关人员国家住宅及都市更新中心董事长花敬群答复说明
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 决定一登记发言委员除不在场者外其余均已发言完必询答结束二委员高金素梅秋正均丁雪忠所提书面质询列入记录刊登公报三书面质询及未及答复部分请相关机关于一周内另以书面答复并复制本会讨论事项一审查委员牛旭廷等17人拟据都市更新条例增订第44条之一条文查案二审查委员赖会员等23人拟据都市危险及老旧建筑物加速重建条例第三条及第11条条文修正查案
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transcript.whisperx[5].text 報告事項一 宣讀上次會議事務二 處理114年度中央政府總預算案有關海洋文匯及所屬預算凍結書面報告案計三案三 處理114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央選舉文匯及所屬預算凍結書面報告案計一案四 處理114年度中央政府總預算案有關客家文匯及所屬預算凍結書面報告案計三案討論事項一 處理114年度中央政府總預算案
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 五处理审查一百一十四年度中央政府总预算案有关客家委员会预算冻结专案报告书面报告案即期案宣读完毕
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 主席各位委員女士先生各位官員同仁各位媒體朋友大家早安今天很榮幸應邀列席大院貴委員會就本會主管114年度預算解凍案進行報告首先感謝各位委員在上個會期對本會及所屬機關業務預算的指導與支持首先就大院上會期審議本會主管114年度預算解凍凍結情形進行說明
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 本院审议本会主管114年度预算案通过冻结14项预算合计11.9亿元其中预算解冻条件
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 通案部分針對總共合計凍結三成合計11.6億元項目包括基本行政運作必須經費業務推動氣需的經費業務預算本會一項秉持
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transcript.whisperx[16].text 刀口上運用而且加強執行本會所屬在近年來業務費預算的執行率都達98%以上尤其海巡署因應兩岸情勢情務激增常需申請第二預備金方能免利支應因此上階預算遭凍結三成影響基本行政運作與業務規劃推動情形
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transcript.whisperx[17].text 經推估本機關僅能夠維持基本行政運作到七、八月底至於業務推動執行的部分因為凍結金額龐大難以通盤規劃辦理
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transcript.whisperx[20].text 本会海保署海巡署有关于海巡一般行政冻结3500万元的部分委员共提5案有关海巡署海巡业务冻结3500万的部分委员共提61案
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transcript.whisperx[21].text 有關海洋保育署海洋保育署海洋保育業務凍結兩千萬元的部分委員共提二十二案另外有關書面報告的部分本會一般行政凍結兩百萬元委員共提六案海洋保育署海洋保育署一般行政凍結一百萬元的部分委員共提五案有關國家海洋研究院海洋研究業務凍結兩千萬的部分委員共提九案
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transcript.whisperx[25].text 大院在審查114年度本會的預算關於一般行政向下有關於業務費原來編列795萬2千元經過決議凍結該預算30%是本會向內政委員會提出專案報告後並經同意時的動之本會已經遵照決議提出書面的資料的專案報告現口頭說明如下
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transcript.whisperx[26].text 本會是在一百零五年八月三十一號設立依照檔案條例來調查政黨及賦水組織不當取得財產情形及後續的處置到現在為止本會已經認定十個政黨的賦水組織並作出十一個處分要求不當取得財產遺傳國有或予以追徵
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transcript.whisperx[27].text 現在本會在進行的重要的業務有以下幾項第一個是有關於調查的業務這當然是本會最核心的業務收集各種證據來調查聽證程序來進行行政處分
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transcript.whisperx[31].text 本會是一個任務型的機關會努力來完成人民賦予本會的使命早日達成政黨公民競爭的目標使我國的政治運作不再受到不當黨產的干預落實轉型正義以上說明請委員可以支持來解凍此項預算引力本會業務的推動謝謝我們請中選會李金勇主委
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transcript.whisperx[32].text 主席各位委員各位女士各位先生大院審查第114年度中央政府總預算稅出第二款第11項中央選舉委員會及所屬通過決議括弧一就是凍結中央選舉委員會及所屬國外旅費20萬元括弧四凍結選舉業務500萬元新增決議括弧335凍結
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transcript.whisperx[33].text 選舉業務一千五百零七萬元四項貴委員會提出專案報告並經同意之後 使得動之本會經以一百一四年四月二十三日中選組置地一一四三八五零零六二號函檢送二十四件專案報告函送大院在案
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transcript.whisperx[34].text 決議括弧二凍結第一幕一般行政向下基本行政工作維持費值一般事務費10%四項貴委員會提出專案報告並經同意之後 始得凍資本會經以114年4月23日中選組織第1143850059號函檢送專案報告函送大院在案
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transcript.whisperx[35].text 新增決議括弧329凍結業務費70%是執行30%之後才可以申請解凍並行經院會的同意本會經以114年4月23日中選組置地1143850061號函將業務費執行情形表函送大院在案新增決議括弧345凍結選舉業務
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transcript.whisperx[36].text 選務撤禁業務費10%是一個月內提出罷免連署書新格式並經內政委員會同意之後 使得動之本會經以114年4月23日中選組織第114385 0063號函
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transcript.whisperx[37].text 送專案報告 函送大院再案 另決議 關乎三凍結第一幕一般行政向下的召開委員會議50%四項貴委員會提出書面報告之後 始得動之
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transcript.whisperx[38].text 依上開決議本會已經在114年4月25日以中選組置地143850060號函提交書面報告函送大院在案那跟各位委員特別報告就是因為這個報告書面的報告一共達到二十五一共達到二十六案
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transcript.whisperx[58].text 五,有關於本會的文教業務凍結五百萬目前兩岸我們積極在推動兩岸校際師生的互訪辦理、研討、論壇、研習會等各類學術性的交流活動
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transcript.whisperx[61].text 主席各位委員大家好很榮幸今天受邀過委員會就客家委員會及所屬114年度業務費凍結30%以及客家語言發展預算通過決議9項提出專題報告使得解凍以下就口頭報告詳細資料請參與書面報告
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transcript.whisperx[64].text 復讀、推廣、汎用、合格文化秘書以及裁剔成功以及讀念、推廣、合格樣式應用產業以及文學推廣計劃而有關客家語言發展預算執行及業務推動專案報告如下
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transcript.whisperx[65].text 一百一四年科語科家語言發展科家語言升職計劃預算約為六億九千萬元主要在推動行業形成使譬如跟香港的計劃提升行業成本同行業以及行業服務普及化輔導團計劃內部行業能量增加推動強化民眾共學意識等計劃
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transcript.whisperx[67].text 至於好商業行業認證通過立體嚴重責任問題也提出歸三邊共提供行業認證學習教材來鼓勵行業輔助學校開設行業認證板來變遷行業屬於學習教材 也叫哈克
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transcript.whisperx[68].text 名錄學研提供基礎書院學習教材來編織行為批准學習平台以及行為顧問實施教材的學習職業懲罰學生對行為因素提供學習考慮
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transcript.whisperx[70].text 另外也推動了行為實體培養和法治法的工作,本行為替高科技用醫療方法中責任。本會議在123年2月開始開放西營強和學術強的醫療資料,提供國家的生產使用。
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transcript.whisperx[71].text 本會及所屬114年度單位預算業經大院審議審定支持通過本會當權力積極推辦各項業務有關前階預算凍結案施設本會業務推廣
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transcript.whisperx[72].text 各項計劃正在積極籌備規劃當中敬請各委員同意動之以利業務推動順利讓客語發展得以永續使客家語言文化能夠傳揚以上報告請國民委員職高聖文特加安智晟 勞勞
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transcript.whisperx[74].text 主席我們請黨長會好 請黨長會委員長在這裡告訴你我本席要跟你談到這個我們的審查凍結預算裡面本席要請教我們黨長會我們最主要背山跟背凍
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transcript.whisperx[75].text 你剛才說的是不是還要補充一下來黨產會的預算其實也很簡單只有兩幕一個是一般行政一個是黨產處理我剛才報告的是一般行政的業務費的部分被凍結三分之一也就是原來其他另外一幕叫做黨產處理這一幕是已經在院會去年省預算院會的時候完全全數被刪除所以我已經都沒有了
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transcript.whisperx[76].text 所以剩下一般行政裡面的業務會少少的然後還被凍結三分之一因為我又要跟你討論跟剛才聽你的報告跟你主流的可能有些關於的問題在這裡我覺得這麼嚴肅的像剛才所說的差不多不用做了啦就等於這個單位沒好位啦
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transcript.whisperx[77].text 因為在古早到現在這個黨黨會的成立就是以前就是我們的國家的財產變成別人黨的財產所以在民主這個國家該處理的我們就要處理啦因為本身所了解像你們最近在國會會這個案子的時候我們是敗訴
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transcript.whisperx[78].text 但是我們還可以享受 因為我看是不是贏就是輸也不一定都輸 也不一定都贏就是看我們的經濟搞對
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transcript.whisperx[79].text 就是他會猜我搞錯啦在這個中華救濟總會的時候我們是贏的本來我們是輸的是不是這樣來 回答一下中華救濟總會是贏的因為它只是在高等行政法院等於是第一審的狀況我們是贏的
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transcript.whisperx[80].text 這個是沒有問題但我們有輸了幾件其實都集中在一個類型就是國民黨以前取得的財產它已經賣掉的部分法院現在有不同的意見但是法院從來沒有針對我們的證據的部分有任何的質疑也是因為我們調查是詳實的法院也接受我們調查的事實
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transcript.whisperx[81].text 現在問題出在法院跟我們意見不一樣的地方在於說已經處分掉的黨產要怎麼追 範圍怎麼樣那按照黨產條例的規定不當黨產的定義是在第四條它是指政黨為他自己或他的附屬組織
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transcript.whisperx[82].text 以違反政黨本質或其他背於民主法治原則之方式取得的財產他就這樣子而已他從剛才我的敘述裡面幾乎聽不到說我們黨產條約在立法的時候對於不當黨產的定義有關於價錢的取得是聚焦在價錢的取得上 沒有他只是說違反政黨本質譬如說政黨本來就不應該經營商業嘛那你經營商業這個是違反政黨本質
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transcript.whisperx[84].text 所以問題聚焦在這一點,但我們對他意見不一樣所以我們在上述當中本席再跟你請教一下,如果在這個過程當中我們的預算不夠,你們會去追加預算嗎?因為現在已經五月了,已經超過40%
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transcript.whisperx[85].text 這個過程當中我們有發動去追加預算來 回答一下我們 因為剛才我報告過了我們有有發動沒發動那看行政院的態度 行政院有問我們我們當然表達我們必須 因為連請律師都請不起沒有啦 要你們的意思跟你們的意思跟行政院說啊我們有去爭取啦有去爭取 好來請安路委會主委
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transcript.whisperx[86].text 來請 主委因為時間 我要請教公務人員任用的第28條有酸重的國籍來賓 不可以擔任我們的公務人員已經違反了對台灣的
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transcript.whisperx[87].text 中產的義務嘛,在這裡你們立委推出裡面要求大家都要有聚集,去簽這個方式,但是在你們這一波的查裡面
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transcript.whisperx[88].text 有37萬人喔已經有99%都已經有做這個動作出來是但是有剩2.7%他不願意做,他也不願意做因為某一間學校的教授,大學的教授他不...要教他也不做像這樣你要怎麼處理啦
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transcript.whisperx[89].text 我們在整個清查軍公教核心人員第一波其實絕大部分的軍公教人員都非常的高度配合沒有啦 我知道高度配合就是有99%嘛我們要配合的要怎麼處理啦
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transcript.whisperx[90].text 我們最後盤點剩下500多件這500多件就是說他這個清查作業沒有完成因為我們用拒絕的方法是最尊重當事人成本最低那如果他不用這個方式那我們也會請人事主管機關繼續跟他請教他任職的消極資格有沒有完成
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transcript.whisperx[91].text 持續用其他的方法來做調查因為我覺得你們這個動作出來就是一定有的你看其中裡面有人去中國的新聞局還有那個居住證是很多的我們台灣人去那裡放這些資料所以我覺得你們要好好去查好好去做我們還會有第二波 第三波 循序漸進
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transcript.whisperx[92].text 再來一件 我要來證告我們兩岸人民法的關係的條例裡面在高調的一三在18.8年定的 但是當時我們定的就是退將役 移到
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transcript.whisperx[93].text 中國 聽他們 聽他們講話 唱他們的歌 聽他們講話在那裡做什麼但是我覺得這個的情形我們一定要看著也要剝奪他的退休金在這裡面本席剛才說的這個條款本席也有提出但是在每個星期
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transcript.whisperx[94].text 我們就已經在宴會給他們呼籲,在那邊站著,這個本席站著,這個母校站著,就要在這裡站著你對本席所提出的這個條例,你認為怎麼做比較好來
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transcript.whisperx[95].text 感謝議員 我們感謝委員的努力您的立法的精神跟我們未來行政院版本的精神態度是一樣的有關於這個第九條之三對於指標性人物賦入參加中國大陸重要的黨政軍所辦理的
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transcript.whisperx[96].text 典禮,對他們的祈輝歌,請禮致敬這些形式,我們會加強立法而且也把...不是啦,我覺得要加強,因為這種的意見越來越嚴重了過中國威規範的人員,這是我們立法的方向,跟委員做法一樣
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transcript.whisperx[97].text 因為我覺得越來越嚴重,一個國家你不愛國家,你承認國家的體育金,說國家的不是,這樣你承認國家的體育金,這樣非常不該所以本省在這個時候,不問你們的條例,趕緊來看什麼要保障的,不能聽信這個不愛國家,這個人,我們不愛
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transcript.whisperx[98].text 請你趕快離開台灣沒關係 但是不要捏台灣的體育金啦這才是一種讓他們做不對的事以上好 謝謝委員好 我們補充宣告 我們上午10點半截止發言登記那我們繼續請張志倫委員
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transcript.whisperx[99].text 好 謝謝主席 各位委員 各位官員大家早有請邱垂政 陸委會邱垂政主委 謝謝好 請邱主委
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transcript.whisperx[100].text 主委早 首先要給我們今天所有來報告 尤其陸委會一些肯定那非常感謝 其實本席針對陸委會的部分常常請教陸委會主委就是希望說現在台灣人到大陸觀光旅遊的人次一年大概是280萬人左右
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transcript.whisperx[101].text 路方來台灣的大概每年大概二十幾萬人所以比例相當不對稱那我們現在希望說台灣人去大陸觀光旅遊或是洽工可以得到一個完整的保護機制那我們也知道說現在陸委會有推出一個赴陸港澳動態登陸系統
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transcript.whisperx[103].text 都可以來輸都可以吸引進去所以我們很擔心這個登錄系統是不是有誤而且他的防呆機制不完備那過去我們也跟主委討論過用這個登錄系統真的入委會可以來協助的民眾的數量好像不是那麼多所以第一個我們想要請主委我們其實這是本黨團針對很多的凍結案第一個我們所有都解凍案我們都沒有提出復議我覺得這是一個非常
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transcript.whisperx[104].text 理性而且是對各單位是一個很好的一件事情所以是不是可以請教一下我們這個赴陸港澳的動態登陸系統到底現在的整個成效如何防災機制是否可以如期完成能真正能達到它的功效
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transcript.whisperx[105].text 謝謝委員強化我們登錄系統的建置跟效率特別您提到防災機制我們預祝更多的解凍之後預祝更多的經費可以強化這個機制另外上網去登錄的人也越來越增加大概人數有增加多少
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transcript.whisperx[106].text 我們今年而言就比去年又增加了2.4倍我們也不斷的利用各種機會去做宣導加上中國大陸對台灣這個人身安全風險一直提高我們國人也有這個警覺意識要去登陸那我們也不放棄任何的對外這個宣導的場合去強調那所以這個登陸的這種情形有明顯的成長
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transcript.whisperx[107].text 好當然因為過去的登錄的數字是偏低那我很開心聽到現在登錄的比例有稍微增高可是本席這邊想要跟主委討論我私下有聽到旅行業者來跟本席透露也反映他們的心聲因為大家都知道現在台灣是有禁團令的一個想法所以基本上
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transcript.whisperx[108].text 就旅行業跟一般民眾的想法是覺得說好像不能組團到大陸去可是現在陸委會為了提高一些比如說我們的動態系統的登錄反而請這個旅行業要協助來請這些民眾或是代委來登錄這樣的問題
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transcript.whisperx[109].text 那所以這些旅行業者覺得他覺得腦袋很混亂的我又沒有要我又不準備帶團到大陸去旅遊那你怎麼又要叫我協助旅客來登錄這樣的登錄系統這樣會不會讓他們覺得腦袋很混亂是不是可以請所以他們有跟我反映會不會讓我覺得說有點政策前後不一然後導致政策混亂的一些問題謝謝委員指教吉哥
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transcript.whisperx[110].text 第一個重點是說我們並沒有您所說的完全禁團令剛剛你提到的我們一年還有去中國大陸去年一年277萬對岸的來我們這裡只有34萬其中11.6萬人還是從第三地來的就剛剛委員講的數字是對的他來的
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transcript.whisperx[111].text 將近30萬而已在這種情況底下人數如此的少是誰在阻礙兩岸的交流第二個我們這個動態登錄系統基本上是呼籲還有組團附入的這些旅行社應該告知他所屬的這些團員為了自己安全多一份登錄就多一份安全
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transcript.whisperx[112].text 那希望呢他們協助這個當事人來鼓勵他們登錄但是是鼓勵性質並沒有強制我們其實目前為止都是鼓勵的所以等一下還要問主委先問一個比較重要的問題就是說
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transcript.whisperx[113].text 賴清德總統即將520就職滿一週年那大家都可以看到過去的新聞不管中國發動文攻武嚇或策動台灣藝人轉發統一的帖文引發外界關注那我相信在之前也有相關的這個新聞等等出現
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transcript.whisperx[114].text 那陸委會宣稱在這些這個中國發展矮化台灣的言論的藝人要依法查處這我們都同意可是現在還沒有看到具體的任何的案例跟懲處的成效我們可以請教主委那是不是到底有沒有相關的法律的依據或執行力來介入這些這樣子的行為還有說你們是不是說有明確
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transcript.whisperx[115].text 明確的到底要怎麼樣的處罰怎麼樣的言論要多少怎麼樣的處罰是不是可以在這邊統一來跟這個讓民眾來知道也讓大家知道怎麼樣可以處罰我們都支持陸委會的行為好不好請主委謝謝張委員給我們這次機會說明對於我們附路發展的藝人由於在中國大陸被可能疑似被強制的政治表態
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transcript.whisperx[116].text 那對於這種情形我們從歷次都可以發現在特定時刻
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transcript.whisperx[117].text 他們都勇於政治表態那有些呢到底是不是經紀公司的問題還是當事人的問題但是都在特定時刻那配合中國大陸矮化或是傷害我們國家主權甚至呼應對岸這個軍演台灣轉貼圖文這個對於我們的民進世紀的打擊啊固然有但是其實我們全體國人是對這個是相當反感也有很多檢舉案所以我們跟
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transcript.whisperx[118].text 文化部有一個行政查處的小組最近也會準備好之後就可能會鎖定一些目標進行查處那這個部分一定會落實大概整個時間大概會多久因為過去已經有這個案子跟檢舉案了
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transcript.whisperx[119].text 那我們都做好了各種的行政修正準備然後最主要是說他是依照兩樣條例你有沒有跟中國大陸的黨政軍包括官媒有任何的合作行為那這個可能就涉及到我們剛剛說的
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transcript.whisperx[120].text 兩條例33條之一那當然我們也了解有些藝人在中國大陸發展真是蠻困難的他被迫要去有一些政治方面的被他們中國大陸政府要求要強制政治表態如果他真的有這些問題的話我們文化部也提供了很多計畫來輔導他們回到台灣來發展
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transcript.whisperx[121].text 畢竟台灣的這個創作自由的空間是遠遠比大陸更優越那麼我們有一些輔助藝人的這些計畫可以落實所以我們會趁著這一次行政查處的作業了解他是不是有涉及違法大概會多久一個月內會出來嗎這幾個禮拜應該會很快520之前會出來嗎
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transcript.whisperx[122].text 因為我已經快到了不敢在這邊跟委員承諾因為涉及到主管機關文化部不過我們已經討論很久了應該要開始行動了好我們努力好謝謝謝謝謝謝張志倫委員接下來我們請張宏祿召委好
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transcript.whisperx[123].text 我請陸委會邱主委邱主委我想請教,最近大家在講的福建的赴美工這件事情你知道嗎?是,能夠了解
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transcript.whisperx[124].text 如果說中國的宮廟來台灣參與遶境或什麼的,有違法嗎?我們現在是不樂見他們來這裡進行遶境那最主要是說,他們以主神的地位來我們地方巡視他連在神的世界都要矮化台灣
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transcript.whisperx[125].text 那這個部分我們就希望宗教交流能夠回歸到宗教的專業交流所謂專業交流它在儀軌上面在儀式方面在這個
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transcript.whisperx[126].text 研議方面能夠進行專業交流不要要去統戰化去政治化回歸到專業化單純化的專業交流不是真正的專業宗教人士我們都會提高審查的門檻強化審查的力度
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transcript.whisperx[127].text 主委我覺得你跟我的看法是一樣啦但我覺得就只要白話的講啦神的交流也是要平等啦對不對就是這樣嘛神的交流你也不能用統戰的矮話但
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transcript.whisperx[128].text 我必須要說這只是冰山的一角你應該也知道有更多的他們跟台灣的宮廟的這些交流然後有很多的問題出現那我想請問一下我們現在兩岸
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transcript.whisperx[129].text 除了飛機 航空業的直航之外 我們的海運目前有直航嗎是 貨運有直航不是啊 我當然知道 我說人啦喔 客運沒有客運沒有嘛 對不對那所以在這種情況之下這個福建的這個廟 他們的神像來台灣對 他怎麼來的
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transcript.whisperx[130].text 是,跟委員報告,我們也在清查,因為您剛剛講的那個赴美工,我們並沒有他申請來台的申請記錄。但是他卻用他的神教,在我們這次的媽祖的繞行活動出現。
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transcript.whisperx[131].text 甚至到不同宮廟不同縣市的宮廟去做遶境這個我們深感覺得這是到底是在規定審查呢還是一種虛假的一種交流我們正在會從主管機關查處當中對我覺得這要快第一個是
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transcript.whisperx[132].text 海運沒有客運對不對那一般我們所了解的如果神像你是坐飛機的話幾乎大部分的也都會買一個位置吧那你從航空公司去清查去什麼我覺得一個很重要的一點
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transcript.whisperx[133].text 到底是不是真的有中國的這個赴美工這個他的神像有來台灣還是一切根本就是一個一個幌子我覺得這點才要查清楚
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transcript.whisperx[134].text 是 跟委員報告 事實上我們跟移民署合作在錦町這個有人的檢舉我們已經都有直接到現場去追蹤那我們現在還要進一步的去了解到底是由國人
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transcript.whisperx[135].text 是國人代替拿進來或是由國人負責去繞行但是有沒有中國大陸人士他沒有經過申請這個以不符合用其他的名義進來但是卻在繞行這些宗教交流這個是我們查處的重點
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transcript.whisperx[136].text 我覺得啦台灣是一個宗教信仰自由的國家啦你不管全世界各國的神明或什麼的他要來台灣只要通過合法的管道我覺得我們都應該歡迎啦我們是一個宗教自由的國家但是我們不歡迎就是他不是我們核准自由進行的這個教育對我的意思就是這樣所以你這個要查很好查啊對不對是
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transcript.whisperx[137].text 有沒有入出境紀錄有沒有什麼的這個很好查嘛我覺得就給國人一個很明確的他到底有沒有這件事這件事是不是事實我個人以這樣來判斷我覺得裡面問題很有很多啦所以你應該跟各單位去把它查清楚讓國人知道我覺得這是今天要跟你說的好不好謝謝 謝謝委員那來我再請來請回我再請客委會
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transcript.whisperx[138].text 這個那個谷主委我覺得這個我們現在客委會配合文化部國家語言整體發展方案其實在很多地方行政區排上有加注客語拼音的標示對不對可是
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transcript.whisperx[139].text 主委我不知道你自己有沒有去現場看你在這些的地方其實車流量應該是蠻大或什麼但
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transcript.whisperx[140].text 車速也很快其實來不及看我不知道主委你有沒有注意到這個我注意到了是那個去年有發生過這樣的情況那所以我們我請我們那個副主委跟單位同仁還有邀請各縣市的交通單位還有那個相關的單位一起來會商其實這個要改進確實是有改進的空間是做得不夠好不夠
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transcript.whisperx[141].text 不是 我不是要說你們做得不夠好啦我是覺得啦齁這個一開始的出發點是對的是對 是啊但你用在那邊那個齁車速都很快根本來不及看是我覺得啦那你不如齁比如說有
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transcript.whisperx[142].text 你要進去的時候進去客家莊的時候你要這個那我覺得你不如在客家莊裡面的很多你們現在辦的很多活動不如多一點這些客語的這些注音或什麼的我覺得反而大家慢慢走或是在逛的時候更容易看清楚
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transcript.whisperx[143].text 我的建議是這樣,不要主委的看法它有分好幾種,一種是路標,一種是地名的標示好幾種,人行可以停留的跟車行觀看的指標不一樣所以這有很多的分類,我們去年已經開始在著手討論這個部分了我們確實有注意到這是很細緻的問題,所以應該要改善
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transcript.whisperx[144].text 好 好 你們知道 你們去改善就好是 好 謝謝謝謝 謝謝張宏祿召委接下來我們請徐宇貞委員謝謝主席 我們請中選會李主委
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transcript.whisperx[145].text 委員好主委早主委我想請教一下就是我們現在其實全世界都在面臨川普高關稅而且匯率戰的關係所以全世界其實都在這個全力應戰但是呢我想現在民進黨的我們的執政黨還是全心全意在搞大罷免所以
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transcript.whisperx[146].text 現在我看今年中選會的預算只有編列四億八千六百六十六萬並沒有編列罷免立委跟新竹市長罷免所需要的經費那今年是公投年也沒有看到編列相關的經費那最近我們可以參考的罷免案大概就是去年基隆市長的一個罷免案請問主委那一次的基隆市長的罷免案花了多少錢
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transcript.whisperx[147].text 經費從哪裡來基隆的罷免案中央沒出錢因為那個經費是必須要地方政府來負擔那一次基隆市政府支出的費用大概是兩千七百多萬那我有看到你們中選會發的新聞稿說這一次的立委的選舉的經費大概是一千七百到一千八百萬
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transcript.whisperx[148].text 我們是根據去年有兩個罷免案 一個是台北第五選舉區那個花的費用大概是一千五百萬左右另外就是中市二選區大概是一千九百 將近兩千萬這樣不算了
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transcript.whisperx[149].text 所以說如果假設這次全部都通過的話要進行罷免的投票總共需要經費是多少那要從哪裡來指引一個案子剛剛跟委員報告就是一千七到一千八但是多少個案子會成案我們現在還不敢說那經費要從哪裡來
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transcript.whisperx[150].text 經費因為罷免案你沒有辦法變入這個年度的預算因為有沒有有多少都不知道所以我請教你罷免案的經費向來罷免案的經費都是申請行政院動資第二預備金所以罷免案會用行政院的第二預備金是嗎也就是我們俗稱的救命錢是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[151].text 我們會向行政院申請動用第二預備金就是第二預備金好那我再跟主委請教一下因為大家都知道中選會就是一個中立的國家的選務的一個機構那上次我在詢問您的時候
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transcript.whisperx[152].text 主委特別提到說國民黨有涉入組織性的犯罪其實您不是政治評論員也不是執政黨的打手講這樣子好像說這個國民黨就是好像鋪天蓋地的組織犯罪說得好像只要有三個人以上就可以從事某項政治活動那我現在要提醒你法律不能雙標政治更不能雙標我們可以看一下最近很有名的這個民進黨直接相關的共諜案
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transcript.whisperx[153].text 已經陸續的爆出瞎臉的名單有立法院前院長游錫坤的助理聖楚音有總統府辦公室的國安資義吳尚宇有民進黨中央黨部的民主學院的副主任邱士源有新北市民進黨籍的市議員領餘點的特助黃曲榮還有外交部長吳釗燮任內的助理
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transcript.whisperx[154].text 和仁傑所以這些人都不是犯犯之輩也不是無黨不派都是民進黨的黨員分別擔任黨務幹部府會的機要黨公職的助理所以如果依照組織犯罪防制條例第二條的定義只要三人以上涉犯五年以上的本罪即可認定為組織犯罪那請教主委民進黨這連串的這個涉共諜的情資是不是已經具備組織性結構性如果依你給國民黨貼的標籤來看民進黨是不是更符合組織性的犯罪
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transcript.whisperx[155].text 我第一點跟委員報告的就是我上次答覆委員質詢的時候我所用的詞應該是組織性的犯罪組織性的犯罪對啊組織性的犯罪所以我現在請教您啊依照剛剛講的這些人是不是民進黨更符合您所謂的組織性的犯罪我第二點跟委員報告的我上一次之所以講出那樣子的話其實我內心是有糾結的
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transcript.whisperx[156].text 為什麼我內心糾結呢因為那個事件牽涉到的是中選會作為捍衛人民參政權而這個參政權受到傷害的時候不管你有沒有糾結都不該在你口中說出這樣子的一個其實我相信你看到一般的言論大家都看到是非常的失職又失格這不該是一個獨立中立的
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transcript.whisperx[157].text 中選會的主委該講出這樣的話如果有時間我會再跟委員做更進一層的說明那第三點我剛剛正提到您的是民進黨的共諜案您認不認為更符合您所謂的組織性犯罪那個跟我要捍衛的中選會的價值無關所以我就不便評論所以
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transcript.whisperx[158].text 在這邊告訴李建永主委其實您上次的發言其實非常的失職又失格我相信您也感受到了全體人民對您的這個疑問那我想身為民進黨中選會的主委您不是民進黨的主委而已您是整個中選會的主委希望您要秉持中立公正公開的方式不要辦藍不辦綠
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transcript.whisperx[159].text 對於執行我們的選務 中立的執行因為時間的關係我想請教陸委會邱主委謝謝委員
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transcript.whisperx[160].text 主委好邱主委好我想請教一下喔就是之前呢您有受訪有提到說這個民進黨政府以保防清查為名擴大針對軍公教進行中國身份證跟居住證的清查那您接受媒體的專訪有提到說到4月底已經有37萬人完成拒絕其中有2人持有中國身份證有75人持有中國的居住證
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transcript.whisperx[161].text 這個數字我想對大家來說都很震驚喔因為在我們的軍公教體系居然有這麼多人是有這個居住證有中國身份證那請問一下邱主委那兩位擁有中國身份證的軍公教人員在哪個單位任職跟吳委員
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transcript.whisperx[162].text 報告 確實這兩位有中國身份證的兩位同仁經過我們的協助依照我們兩案條例第九條之一第二項
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transcript.whisperx[163].text 我們認為是一個特殊案件所以他可以保留我們國人的身份協助他已經把註銷放棄了我剛剛問你的是他在哪個單位任職他有沒有涉及有關機密的業務目前都已排除都已排除就是曾經涉及囉都已排除了現在那就是有涉及整個機密的業務是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[164].text 因為已排除嘛代表曾經涉及嘛是
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transcript.whisperx[165].text 我想他相關的機關已經把他排除掉了相關的機關是什麼機關委員是不是我們不方便在這邊說好那你私底下告訴我但是我想剛剛主委的答案已經告訴我們了他們曾經涉及機密的業務現在已經排除那另外還有就是有75個擁有居住這個身份證的又是在哪些單位有沒有接觸到機密的業務
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transcript.whisperx[166].text 我想我們為什麼要做這個清查跟宣導還有通過一個專案讓大家來拒絕就是讓各個機關透過這個清查的作業當中所以你這個是用專案幫助他協助註銷拒絕對不對
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transcript.whisperx[167].text 他未來是公務人員對我們國家有忠誠義務的話我們一定要來協助他處下主委您一定要徹查清楚因為剛不管是那兩個擁有身分證或是75位擁有居住權的他們的業務是不是有涉及機密這我們會來這個不是只是一句已排除就可以處理的是
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transcript.whisperx[168].text 一定要先嚴格的查到底有多少的業務機密已經被洩漏出去然後另外針對您這樣講的話之前針對一萬兩千名的陸配發出的那個通知要求他補繳初級證明是不是就可以比照來幫他們專案協助來去處理呢
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transcript.whisperx[169].text 是 公委員報告因為我們過去在2004年3月1號實施的這個兩岸條例之前已經取得台灣身份了由於他們年紀可能比較資深我們都做了很多完整的配套措施跟替代方案
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transcript.whisperx[170].text 那現在有四項替代的那個嗎 措施嗎不只 就是可以用替代方案有六個標準那另外還有可以延展時間的有三套類型我們盡全力的來協助這些有需要的希望標準要一致啦 好嗎因為陸配在我們這邊這麼久他都擁有我們的身份證 其實他就是我們的家人就是我們的國民 希望標準要一致是 我們希望他在身份上
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transcript.whisperx[171].text 都是不要被人家質疑都是合法在合法的前提他未來才能安居樂業合法的前提不要造成民怨不要造成他們的困擾我們會全力來協助他們謝謝好 謝謝委員好 我們請高金素門委員
transcript.whisperx[172].start 5491.389
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transcript.whisperx[172].text 今天我們審六個部會的解凍案然後一個部會一分鐘請問一下今天召委是整個都要處理嗎
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transcript.whisperx[173].text 我們看情況啊可是你看你們講我都沒有都讓你們講啊我想在這個我們所有這個不管是透過立法院這個直播系統或者是網路上的朋友他們也覺得很疑惑今天要這麼嚴重重大的解凍案然後我們六分鐘然後今天是六個部會那事實上真的是有很多的問題還沒有辦法問完那等於說一分鐘一個部會
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transcript.whisperx[174].text 好吧那沒關係既然這也是立法院長期的不過今天我的建議是如果我們對各部會還有意見的話我覺得還是先讓他不要解凍啦我們讓形成更多的社會共識之後讓更多的繳納稅錢的我們的全國百姓能夠清楚知道他們的納稅錢怎麼使用然後在立法院我們立法委員是如何監督他們的納稅錢我覺得這比較合理謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[175].text 我先請選委會的李敬勇主委好 請李主委主委你在立法院六年了你算是從蔡政府一直到賴政府當中一直在被任用的選委會主委你認為這六年你做得好嗎
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transcript.whisperx[176].text 我非常的努力跟我的同仁大家共同來把事做得好努力跟做得好是兩回事情你覺得你有中立嗎?我中立本席是無黨籍的我沒有任何政黨的奧援沒有任何政黨的支持可是我發現你是非常的不中立喔那我先請問你一下今天我有凍結你的預算對於原住民長期來選舉的困境請問你知道我們的困境有什麼嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[177].text 我想第一個經常被關心的就是有關原住民投票的秘密性你一講話我就去掉了一分鐘你快一點好不好我已經告訴你了投票秘密的問題最近關心的還包括原住民例如立法委員他的補選缺額補選的問題等等還有呢還有不在籍投票
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transcript.whisperx[178].text 這個已經是在立法院了耶不再舉投票對已經在立法院準備要政黨協商了耶那麼重要好我告訴你吧有幾個部分第一個是原住民的投票率非常的低對不對為什麼會低因為投票秘密的問題然後第二個就是因為不再舉投票的問題然後第三個就是我們要投票的時候現場人根本不曉得原住民是哪一個顏色甚至於把我們的票放在抽屜裡面
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transcript.whisperx[179].text 然後看到的是原住民的之後跟他說我是原住民然後才從抽屜裡面拿出這樣子的票來給我們原住民的族人投票這不僅僅是很久的問題了我在上一屆的時候已經在上個會期我已經說了而且我也凍結你的預算結果呢你給我的書面報告是什麼您知道嗎
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transcript.whisperx[180].text 過去我們有若干的瑕疵對原住民投票的部分是有若干的瑕疵但是我們也有一些改進以及精進的作為我提出凍結案要希望你提出具體可行改善的專案報告請問一下你今天的專案報告是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[181].text 你們說明一下既然你說你跟你的同仁都很努力都很認真原住民投票的問題不是一兩天的問題已經是那麼多次了您說一下有關於這個不在籍投票的部分其實這個牽涉到我們一貫的這個選務的這個進程的問題所以不在籍投票我們是認為應該是要從對市比較單純的這個
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transcript.whisperx[182].text 公民投票來開始而且這個不在籍投票它有很多的方式我們認為在這個移轉投票的部分是已經有實施的經驗我們就從移轉投票來開始進行那這樣子的案子在上一屆提進來了屆期不連續這一屆我們也再提進來了那是不是可以請委員也幫忙這部分我們先來推動
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transcript.whisperx[183].text 你自己給我的報告你看了沒有我現在告訴你吧你的報告裡面講原住民不在局投票報告中提到的確會降低族人的交通成本這有助於族人參與投票理論上是雖屬可行的當然可是對不對是可行的嘛對吧
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transcript.whisperx[184].text 有各方面的考量理論上是可行的嘛然後你們告訴我說因為內政部他們認為有投票秘密的問題請問主委投票秘密的問題有數據來支持你的論述嗎還是你自己的想像從制度上的設計當然我們可以來討論也許它會有一些疑慮是有待於澄清的
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transcript.whisperx[185].text 請問一下你們報告裡面承認不再提投票是可以改善原住民投票率那你們具體改善的作為是什麼不再提投票的部分嗎我想這個不再提投票的部分需要更進一步的討論你知不知道我們已經提案了而且我做召委的時候已經審過了然後現在已經在朝野協商了那你認為我們的版本你支持嗎
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transcript.whisperx[186].text 如果朝野協商大院形成共識你們經過這個院會通過的話作為執行機關我們就按照法律規定來執行所以您認為我們只要在大院裡面通過你們就認為沒問題對不對那當然我們必須要依法執行謝謝你的尊重同樣的問題在選務疏失上面你們提出的是要加強宣導請問你們要怎麼樣實際改善選務疏失的問題
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transcript.whisperx[187].text 我們不斷地來進行各項的一個教育訓練那除了這個...將你任內就教育訓練六年啦沒有錯但是我也請...可是還是沒有改善啊我有請...是有改善啦有改善這個...沒有改善啊每一次的選舉它動員...沒有改善這一次立法委員總統的選舉我們還收到投訴書
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transcript.whisperx[188].text 每一次的選舉啦 動員的人數達到那請你告訴我 要怎麼樣具體提出可行改善的改善方案你就只是告訴我說 你要持續的宣導那以前也在宣導啊訓練不只是宣導啦 我們加強訓練那要怎麼訓練 請你告訴我現在請你告訴我要怎麼訓練我已經透過今天要解凍你的案啦
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transcript.whisperx[189].text 加強訓練怎麼樣 加強訓練嗎我們每次選務辦理之前都會把選務人員的訓練列為考核很重要的項目
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transcript.whisperx[190].text 那然後呢如果出錯的話他考核就有問題嗎然後你認為就是說我們如果原住民在現場看到又有這種情況我們要記他的名字嗎用手機把它錄下來嗎這個在整個考核法整個過程都是公開透明的包括如果有一些疏失的話選民都會
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transcript.whisperx[191].text 選民也都會給我們主委今天我要解凍你的預算啦你怎麼考合法請你告訴我我們在考積的部分也都會做考量怎麼樣考積嘛只要原住民投訴就有問題是不是投訴之後我們要去調查調查完了之後呢調查完了如果是有疏失的話我們在考積的部分啊都會做適當的處置主席啊你看一下我們今天要怎麼解凍他的案子啊
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transcript.whisperx[192].text 在書面報告我也沒有看到今天我在這邊質詢他他還講不出個所以然來所以主委你根本沒有把原住民這樣子長期以來選務的問題放在您的心上你還算中立嗎我看到的是你當中選會你只挑你想做的東西然後呢你想做的東西你就趕快來處理甚至於根本不適任您的位置你講出這些一些不合理的話請你不要講話我還沒有請你回答
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transcript.whisperx[193].text 我請你回答的時候你說不出個所以然來然後不讓你回答的時候你又在這邊不具你的身份在這邊回答你認為你是合格嗎?合適嗎?我合格我要再講的是中選會李主委我在這邊真的奉勸你
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transcript.whisperx[194].text 全國人民都在看全國人民也都認為你是一個不適任的中選會主委因為為什麼你挑你想做的事情然後呢就特別專心做你的問題原住民選務的問題我們已經是長期以來沒有辦法解決的問題你在這裡任職六年了而我在立法院23年了我不斷的質詢
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transcript.whisperx[195].text 為什麼我們原住民投票率那麼低就剛剛回到那個問題嘛低咪咪投票嘛
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transcript.whisperx[196].text 秘密投票解決了沒有解決了你就藝人的問題請問一下藝人才是秘密投票嗎兩人不是秘密投票嗎三個人不是秘密投票嗎所以中規的問題原住民為什麼投票率低跟秘密投票有問題有關係既然你們不願意解決所謂的不在局投票我們就從秘密投票開始可是秘密投票開始你們進度又非常非常的緩慢
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transcript.whisperx[198].text 那講不在籍投票吧跟我們所謂的公投把它脫鉤你們有很多的意見中選會推給內政部很抱歉喔主委我不僅僅凍結你的預算我也凍結了內政部的預算我要讓你們兩個這部會好好的坐下來談尤其不在籍投票已經在朝野政黨協商了我們更希望你剛剛告訴我只要立法院三讀通過
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transcript.whisperx[199].text 你們就尊重我們希望協商能夠順利你們就尊重吧通過當然我們依法來執行謝謝您在這邊我還是誠懇的建議您主委我在這邊還是誠懇的建議您希望你作為一個知識分子的良知希望你作為一個全體人民的中選會
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transcript.whisperx[200].text 希望你站在這個位置上是領人民的納稅錢是要替全民做事而不是替政黨做事你的年紀非常大了我希望在你退休之後能夠留一個好名聲而不是讓全國的百姓認為最不中立的中選會就是您全國百姓不會看到我全國百姓是每一個政治人物他都會檢驗
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transcript.whisperx[201].text 我這次就檢驗你我不是任何政黨的我覺得你非常的不中立今天呢我對於中選會的預算我還是認為我必須要凍結以上 謝謝好 請劉許廷召委
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transcript.whisperx[202].text 好 謝謝主席還有會主委有請好 請管處委委員好主委早安這個我們之前討論海巡署的一個凍結的預算其實裡面有一個非常重要的理由就是在於有關於人力的增補嘛我們都知道海巡其實這幾年幾乎變成所謂的第二海軍嘛擔負海防的重任
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transcript.whisperx[203].text 那您在各式各樣的報告新聞也好其實也都在在強調這個海巡的重要性這甚至我們在這個上個禮拜通過的紀念日及節日實施條例裡面我們都要寫海巡節對不對所以說我們都非常重視海巡同仁的這個工作待遇喔那我看了一下你們這個解凍的專案報告的一些內容當然啦就是說有談
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transcript.whisperx[204].text 要如何來增加這個海巡人力的增補嘛但之前我們提質疑並且討論的時候就有講嘛就是說你本來就有規劃從111年開始用五年為期要逐年來增補一萬三千多名的員額缺口嘛是不是但是按照現在來講是補足而不是有一萬多個缺口
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transcript.whisperx[205].text 是一萬多人啊但是還有缺口對不對按照你的執行我更正一下按照你的那個數字啊111年還有571位112年848位113年1272位所以這個缺口不但沒有縮小反而越來越大所以我們那時候才提了所謂的預算凍結案就希望說你有提出一套完整的配套措施可以來改善這樣的問題嘛對不對是
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transcript.whisperx[206].text 那我看了你專案報告裡面的一些內容當然有提了一些方法但是沒有把具體的數字寫出來本行是覺得比較可惜的你們預期啊這個114年你們可以補到多少人這個缺口有沒有辦法縮小你們心中預期的數字是多少公務員報告我們的預算我們的原額的缺口呢其中有一個部分440個原額是即將要由國防部由
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transcript.whisperx[207].text 義務役來給我們補足那以海巡目前來講的話最主要的人力的缺口是在岸巡所以岸巡主要都是軍職而且都是義務役因此在義務役全面徵兵
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transcript.whisperx[208].text 恢復了以後我們全面招募的情況之下我們已經取得了有440個元額可以來挹注我們海巡那這個部分對於缺口是很有幫助的那另外就是說我們今年開始的加薪也已經很明顯的看到我們甚至於有一些離職的同仁都很希望能夠回流所以今年在這個數字我們希望會有比較好的成果
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transcript.whisperx[209].text 所以你現在按你111年的五年計劃就是你目標要達成13,091名的原額目標對不對那今年是114年你現在的數字是多少
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transcript.whisperx[210].text 我們現有是一萬一千七百多名一萬一千七嘛所以還差一千多對不對一千 接近兩千左右嘛我們補足了這四十四十個人而補四百四十個但是我們的離退率會下降然後我們今年也會有招募的成果那今年到目前為止的招募的成果我目前還在等海巡做一個記報過來是不是那個署長今天來你們旁邊幕僚可不可以要說明一下好來我們請署長說明
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transcript.whisperx[211].text 根據近三年的自營士兵禁用我們是逐年增加的那退損的部分人員逐年減少也就是說我們現在招募的成效是比退損的是好的
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transcript.whisperx[212].text 那所以預估我們未來的這個人員補足部分啦是再過一兩年我們就可以全部把它補足另外這中間有一部分的是那個艦艇的艦隊分組艦艇的人員那這個部分是根據他交艦的情形期程不同那我們會跟人事長做其實我要聽的就是實際上的數字嘛你115年的目標是13091嘛那你114年會是多少115年會是多少其實就這樣子而已啊你們有辦法給出這樣的數字嗎
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transcript.whisperx[213].text 關乎預算能不能順利解凍 因為我們就是要明確嘛其實就是監督嘛 對不對來 主委 114年的話預計是多少我們希望你剛剛有明確講一個400多 我覺得很OK但是其他的咧我們以111年的退損跟113年的退損來講的話我們的退損已經減少了20%你不要再跟我講別人 你跟我講那個到底會補多少就好
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transcript.whisperx[214].text 你如果現在因為你說你要等季報對不對你趕快回去蒐集一下但你趕快再因為我們今天開會還要討論解凍趕快把書面補上來好不好我想除了這440個元我們的離退率有改善就是你剛剛講的離退率的結論我們算一個數字來對你要算一個簡單的數字也就是說114年是多少115年可以達到13,091
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transcript.whisperx[215].text 我們當然目標值是13,118但是我們希望能夠補足這個剩下來的對嘛 我就是要知道你逐年補打算補多少 能補到多少我數字最後會算給委員好 再來我要問第二個問題是
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transcript.whisperx[216].text 現在不管是軍職或者是警職其實在待遇的部分其實都是用授權條款的方式來處理但我相信管主委也知道這過去我在質詢的時候也提過現在大院裡面有在討論這個軍人待遇條例要做修正也就是說所有的志願役未來可能都會一致來做大幅的加薪當然就是可以強化軍職人員入這個大家投身軍旅的這個待遇嘛
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transcript.whisperx[218].text 跟委員報告我們在僅職的福利的部分其實晚期我們也已經爭取到兩個加級很有可能要被核定那因為現在正在走程序我就比較不便對外來說明那除此以外呢我們還有一個僅僅加級的部分是三十幾年沒有調整過那這個部分也是我們下個階段要來跟行政總署溝通的一個很重要的一個品
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transcript.whisperx[219].text 所以我現在要問你的問題就是比你講的要更深水區因為過去在授權的時候你行政院之前也幫志願役調過戰鬥加急對不對但因為他沒有辦法一體施用就產生了很多混亂現在是有可能我們在這個部分有進展有可能會有你今天聽我把話講完就是說現在有可能是軍人待遇條例會有一個明定所有志願役可能加2萬或3萬這樣子的一個數字對不對
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transcript.whisperx[220].text 其實各種家籍加起來以後我們過去相當程度是所有各種不同的身份各種不同類型的家籍加總以後相當程度是有達到某種程度的平衡你現在的意思是說你譬如說以行政院他們自己調的對不對你們互相處理可以達到一個平衡但現在是有立法對不對所以立法的強度更高然後針對軍人會更高這對你海巡軍職人員是有幫忙的但是海巡警職人員那我們是不是也要比照辦理我現在問你這個的意見
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transcript.whisperx[221].text 很難說比照辦理因為加急的項目不一樣所以剛剛我跟委員講的有兩項是用在緊實同仁身上的那我們晚近的溝通已經有成果目前在走程序那第三項就是緊情加急我們如果能夠在緊情加急的部分三十幾年沒有調也再度調整的話相當程度之間的落差就比較不會成
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transcript.whisperx[223].text 目前有兩項已經有共識兩項有共識一項要因為是涉及緊急加急還有警政署另外一項緊急加急我們持續再溝通那你這三項海上加急我簡單做個小結論海上加急緊急加急已經調過了海上加急的部分我簡單做個結論就是說你現在
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transcript.whisperx[224].text 在你可以授權的範圍內你做了若干的努力對不對所以可能有幾項有達成共識但是還有一項緊緊加緊我要問的問題是這三項加起來跟可能通過軍人待遇你認為不會有落差我再跟你確認一次跟主席報告我們本來喔在海上就會比在陸上所以再多一點是是是是你這樣好那那我再來就要再追問你這三項最後可以拍板上路的時間是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[225].text 我們公開行政程序前兩項目前在走行政程序那因為他跟軍職的專業的這個家綺呢要一起來處理所以到時候可能就看人總走這個行政院的程序因為我是覺得你們如果對基層弟兄要好其實也沒有必要什麼保密到家但是齊成其實是最重要的嘛
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transcript.whisperx[226].text 我要抓的是時間是什麼主要談的跟國防部在一起的是戰航管家級戰航管家級會調這個因為今天的時間比較短你很難講清楚一樣這個比較剛剛你有一個缺額的逐年補足的這樣子的一個KPI這是第一個第二個你相對來講幫海巡的軍警職如何來提升待遇如何來做平衡他的其成是什麼好不好你一樣會後你要補報告來喔
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transcript.whisperx[227].text 會 但是我跟委員報告我們海巡整體來講目前是處在士氣非常高昂的階段所以福利是一個問題沒有錯他們都知道長官有盡力在幫他們爭取而且委員也都很支持能夠提升待遇我相信不管是你做委還有會主委或是我們做立法委我們都會支持但是我就希望這件事情明確然後它可以落地嘛
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transcript.whisperx[228].text 對不對因為我之所以這麼急著要這份資料是萬一軍人待遇條例通過萬一出現落差然後你行政機關沒有辦法用授權條款去處理這個問題的時候我可能我這邊就要啟動警察這邊我就要再修法啦對不對但你能不能做到我會給行政機關時間嘛但是你要明確的可以講出你到底調生了多少哪些人受惠了
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transcript.whisperx[229].text 平不平衡有沒有辦法這個讓警察人員也一樣得到好的待遇就這樣子而已最主要是合理化最主要是合理化而不是說比較啊剝奪感啊我比較不希望大家到像這裡去思考數額時間好不好你這個會後提供你如果覺得說現在壓力很大你要給我個密件你讓我自己要知道也可以好不好但是你要讓我知道
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transcript.whisperx[230].text 這樣我們才知道未來我們要不要透過修法的方式來解決這個問題還是大家可以透過我們就是詢答透過溝通的方式就讓海巡的待遇提升方向都是一樣的好不好這個請主委多用點心因為我覺得把待遇弄好其實是補足一萬三千多這個讓你可以達標一萬三千多人最重要的事情嘛主委應該不反對這樣說吧好那就請主委趕快提供資料可以嗎好謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[231].text 好 請蔓越真委員謝謝主席 有請陸委會的主委好 請邱主委蔓越真好主委好
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transcript.whisperx[232].text 今天我是針對幾個議題而請教我們的主委我們是不是說我們學生要繳作業的時候是不是天經地義的老師要給學生打分數的時候是不是要看到作業但是學生不想給作業卻要求老師要給
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transcript.whisperx[233].text 及格還有滿分如果你是老師你覺得這樣合理嗎當然不合理當然不合理對不對 你也認同嘛所以我們今天要看到陸委會的法證業務預算凍結20%條件為三個月內提出
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transcript.whisperx[234].text 兩岸協調監督條例研議進度報告應該雖然是期限內報告但不僅是陳述研議的歷程為明確提出法條的草案或版本的表層所以我想要問你說自從103年起
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transcript.whisperx[235].text 已經大家都在關注這件事情入委會到今天仍無明確的法案的明定的版本請問這樣是什麼理由
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transcript.whisperx[236].text 跟委員報告 我們在今天早上的書面報告也有很清楚的表述就是兩岸協議監督條例在當年2016年的時候 各黨團也有提出相關的版本但是由於爭點甚多 那麼當時候未達成共識
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transcript.whisperx[237].text 另外一方面就是那時候兩岸關係啊也不是在處理這個做焦點那我們基於在2019年元月二號那麼習五條提出兩制台灣方案我們認為有關於民主協商的這個對台灣的統戰這個比較嚴重所以我們
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transcript.whisperx[238].text 有優先去推動兩條例第五條之三有十項這個民定的條文來處理涉及到政治議題的協商我們建立了高標準高門檻的民主監督法制
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transcript.whisperx[239].text 至於您剛剛提到的非涉及政治議題的兩岸協議監督條例以我們的做法因為我們把最重要的核心的法治工作做完了那其他的部分我們認為按照現行的兩岸條例第五條規定那麼過去呢我們行政部門跟立法部門都已經完成了
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transcript.whisperx[240].text 二十六項的協議的審查跟備查的程序那麼我們也有很多的經驗所以尚無至愛那麼所以我們會認為現階段兩岸制定兩岸協議監督條例暫無它的急迫性跟必要性但是我們也認為如果因為這個涉及國會監督的權限
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transcript.whisperx[241].text 幾位 幾位我要問你的東西不是你要問你的東西你回我不是回答的是你其他的業務我們問的是說因為我看到你的報告中還有沒有看到任何具體法案內容的草案還有就是說委員報告持續以行政演繹
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transcript.whisperx[242].text 言商 難道只會是言喻再言商 再協商再言商我看到你的裡面是這樣子 不像你現在說的我們時間可限 因為我們就
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transcript.whisperx[243].text 五分鐘六個單位我問你已經超過多少分鐘了你報告的我要問你但是你的資料沒有齊全啊所以說要版本解凍但是你講的跟你你給我們的報告裡面多寫說在延伤在延益所以我們沒有看到啊我們給你三個月但是你講的
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transcript.whisperx[244].text 你要我們提出版本我們有研議我們認為現階段先沒有急後性跟必要性明確的版本啦不要一直在研議研商已經三個月了請我們研議並不是要我們提出來所以我們一直認為如果有需要的話
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transcript.whisperx[245].text 應該是由立法院從國會的角度來提審查我們由行政部門來說來審查的強度這個似乎已經第九屆第十屆都有其他委員提出到現在為止我們黨部很重視這個也教你提出但是你的報告裡面就是言商言議在言議我們認為現行的法制作業已足以來處理這一塊
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transcript.whisperx[246].text 所以說我們今天是要來解凍你的法案你沒有報告你的法案也沒有寫我們的法案這樣就叫我們怎麼樣給你解凍呢所以說如果是這樣的案如果委員要提出我們尊重我們也提供我們的意見
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transcript.whisperx[247].text 對不對 是不是這樣子的意思所以我覺得你真的沒有提出我們要求的我們是要求的解凍的案你就是要把解凍的案來去做報告說明還有說有明確的不是說你講其他的業務其他業務給你三天三夜講不完我們的看法以及我們整體的評估作業
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transcript.whisperx[248].text 同時我們也跟委員報告但是我們要求的看法要求的我們需要的你沒有去講啊我們問A要叫你解剖的東西你要給我們提出行政院版本的兩岸協議監督條例我們經過非常認真的評估認為現階段沒有急迫性跟必要性如果委員你要來提出的話我們會尊重我們也會到時候提供我們的
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transcript.whisperx[249].text 所以我們要求的就是你認為不要就是不用解凍我們認為現階段沒有急迫性跟必要性所以這樣你就是不要我們要求的你覺得不要所以我們就不用解凍但是你們交付我們評估的我們要很認真報數我聽起來是這樣所以因為時間的關係但是呢因為我們有六個單位我們主席一定要讓我們最少要問到三個吧不能說六分鐘就是就變成一個單位
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transcript.whisperx[250].text 沒有解釋清楚沒有做清楚就沒有了我們接下來我想要請教一下我們的海洋委員會的我們的主委
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transcript.whisperx[251].text 委員好 主委好因為我們的業務費預算凍結了30%就是等於說我們的海洋政策的整體推動 欠缺效果我們的海委會內執行的計畫協同不足等於是質疑所以其實我們解凍報告卻有說
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transcript.whisperx[252].text 參與會議等空泛的文字作為就是效果的呈現所以這些會議的實質產出為何如何促成具體法案或個跨部會的政策的推動是否有量化的指標或者比如說新進計劃的執行或者政策執行的實效還有縮短的效率等等所以可以說明一下嗎
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transcript.whisperx[253].text 各位委員報告如果說我們沒有在8月以前完成解凍的話我們大概所有的包括醫務費跟一般基本的運作到8月份的時候我們大概就會遇到非常非常重大的困難我們現在就是有辦法維持到8月份那8月份以後就會遇到非常重大的困難
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transcript.whisperx[254].text 所以我們很希望說能夠盡速給予我們來解凍那因為到八月份的時候各項的包括本會包括所有的附屬機關我們的執行率都會達到95%以上所以在這個部分我們有時間上的急迫性因此很希望我們這一次的解凍能夠得到委員的支持
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transcript.whisperx[255].text 所以我們今天才要來說來審查來解凍希望說我們提出有具體的嘛這樣子我們才能是解凍因為給我們就是三天三天讓我們去看
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transcript.whisperx[256].text 所以呢我們如果資料不齊全啊我們就問的時間又那麼短缺所以我們希望說開會的理由還有說的介紹的依據還有說我們那麼認真大家就是希望把它解凍嘛齁我們一直來我都幫你額略啦全部會 你就不會去講一些有的沒有的認真去做事的的人齁所以我們就監督在野榜的委員就是無法要
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transcript.whisperx[257].text 看的資料就不齊全我們才要想說如果有這樣子的相關的話是不是可以給我們我們才能說就是你講的是我們說因為凍結預算所以你們沒辦法但是現在是解凍所以我們希望說有這樣子的具體的資料再麻煩你舉一個例子譬如說我們東沙的同仁他如果要放假的話我們現在是給他們搭飛機回來
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transcript.whisperx[258].text 那如果說我們沒有如期來解凍的話呢他們搭飛機回來就馬上會遇到困難了那這就會影響他們休假的...是啊 所以我們現在就是要積極來解凍嘛我們的書面報告...我們朝委才安排就是一天就六個案就是因為就是要搓營銷飛車了嘛還不是要想要解凍嗎所以我們...你這樣講我抗議喔
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transcript.whisperx[259].text 不是 我們解凍就是要一起嘛所以說想要更清楚我們才會說我們要讓這個費用趕快解凍讓大家去做嘛好 再來我們就問接下來說我們的海巡業務費這樣子的凍結也是30%我們報告裡面就是說完成
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transcript.whisperx[260].text 演訓練的就是很多的場次但是我們辦理教育訓練的裝備添購但我們必須要追問的是說我們教育訓練場次是否是人數是否的那個預算還有就是規模有沒有相符訓練後的成效或者評估有這樣子的報告
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transcript.whisperx[261].text 因為我們要解凍就要了解所以說我們的裝備要購買還有說公開採購的程序有沒有時機交付投入的這樣子的運用所以因為我們
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transcript.whisperx[262].text 我們的採購都是公開採購我們一定都走公開採購的程序因為目前報告裡面沒有看到走證的資料所以說想要再確認有沒有具體的因為委員關心了以後我們有準備一個公開採購的項目的報告我們會後再給委員
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transcript.whisperx[263].text 好 這樣就麻煩我們主委好 謝謝再來最後一分鐘我想要問一下我們的那個中選會我們請
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transcript.whisperx[264].text 我想要請教一下我們有針對就是裡面就一個小項而已基本行政作業維護就是維持費就是說一般事務費編列了759萬4千多其中凍結了10%但是當解凍報告裡面聲稱說以
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transcript.whisperx[265].text 預算編列原則與節約的規定使用但是我們在說明具體的時候沒有看到就是支出的明細還有績效的效果我們看到的就是依據你寫的最大的目標就是說列為合理編列就是合理的
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transcript.whisperx[266].text 編列合理就是這四個字就可以能解凍就是形同我們就是形式的審查而已因為我們這個案子其中就是有我們的有七
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transcript.whisperx[267].text 七萬五 七十五萬七十五萬我們只有結凍說七十五萬的對於就是選務的設備精進或者系統的就是資訊的系統安全更新等重要的業務但是我們沒有看到具體的投入啦所以這個部分我們希望說我們的中選會這邊有比較具體一點我們才知道因為我們已經在今天
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transcript.whisperx[268].text 我們要給大家的是三個月來去寫解凍的報告我們給各個部會是三個月但是今天我們給我們的資料只有三天還有我們要有教授只有六分鐘來去問各個部會
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transcript.whisperx[269].text 但是我們看到一張紙就是一億兩張兩億三張三億所以我們政府的預算就是這樣子審查的嗎所以我們希望各個部會真真的這個都是都是我們血汗錢我們解凍不應該刑事審查所以是應該要有效率的展現各部會應該是依據我們要求的就是
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transcript.whisperx[270].text 凍結的要有具體的來去說明所以我們已經沒時間了大家都在加班來去看了但是看你們要給我們的資料就讓我們很失望所以說因為時間的關係我們希望說大家就是有具體的再來給我們因為今天就一天這樣子去解決我覺得真的我們在把關在審查我們的預算真的是太
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transcript.whisperx[271].text 我們在做社團的在每一個社團要去爭取經費兩萬塊就要去說明還要去報告但是我們一張說明就一億我們沒辦法接受這個部分我們再請我們各部會再來去真正的是把
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transcript.whisperx[272].text 所有的計畫真的具體讓我們了解讓我們真的是知識才不會造成後面再花一筆錢這樣子到最後變成什麼怪我們沒有審查還是怪你們亂花所以這個就是我的要求以上 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[273].text 我不用回答我們請吳清明委員
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transcript.whisperx[274].text 好 各位我們主席 我們議會同仁我們各單位我們的主管請我們今天是我們的解凍案的解決包括海洋委員會 不當黨產中選會 還有陸委會 還有客委會今天我們真的非常高興能看到我們的預算的解凍案
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transcript.whisperx[275].text 我們今天希望能順利的來處理啦讓各部會有正常的運作那我現在我先請我們的中選委我們的主委好 請李主委
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transcript.whisperx[276].text 委員好好主委好主委我還是針對上個禮拜上個禮拜我提出的我們現在又面臨了那個罷免案那我實際上看到我們中選會的一倍金剩下一百萬那行政院的第二一倍金又
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transcript.whisperx[277].text 僅以六千七百萬那針對我們未來這個罷免案那麼多人的罷免那經費又那麼龐大那未來這個經費的來源要怎樣來取得這是我們目前最頭痛要去思考的問題
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transcript.whisperx[279].text 那可能行政院這邊會跟立法院來磋商吧請立法院也能夠支持
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transcript.whisperx[280].text 好的 因為本席看到這個預算 看到未來的經費比較擔憂那你未來你整個罷免案的再實施的話你經費來源還是有問題 那也是自愛難行啊這個是法定必須支出的事項 而且權責是在中央政府所以我們希望這個問題能夠大家來圓滿的解決
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transcript.whisperx[281].text 好的那主委辛苦了謝謝主委你請回那我請陸委會好請就主委主委好好主委好主委我看到我們的手邊的預算兩岸的中介事務的預算高達2億5957萬
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transcript.whisperx[282].text 那也超過較去年的成長了40%那本席比較想了解的現在我們港澳這一邊我們港澳這一邊的辦事處現在有沒有正常在運作公務員報告我們在香港目前沒有派駐同仁在澳門有兩位同仁
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transcript.whisperx[283].text 那我們處理這個港澳業務呢我們都有一個後端的一個監督小組來處理港澳的政策目前還正常運作我們勉勵來維持我們駐館的業務我們希望能夠服務我們台港的民眾特別是國人赴港澳
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transcript.whisperx[284].text 都有一個辦事處可以服務他們同時我們沒有策管的原因也是增加我們在香港澳門我們很多的投資企業的一些信心讓他們能夠在當地持續的安居樂業
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transcript.whisperx[285].text 那香港跟澳門,澳門兩個那香港沒有,那香港的辦事處還存在嗎?有,我們有40幾位的僱員仍然在處理各種文書驗證以及急難救助還有鎮灶核發等相關業務還在正常進行也跟委員報告我們這兩年的香港的觀光客人數不是第一位就第二位那麼也有賴我們駐港人員的權利的投入
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transcript.whisperx[286].text 對因為我們不管是台商也好不管是觀光客也好他那邊還是要有必要的我們台灣的辦事處在那邊做協助這是本市比較關心的因為畢竟我們台灣在香港澳門那邊還是很多人是那有增長運作這是我們所期待的好謝謝謝謝我們主委謝謝好現在請我們海洋委員會好請管主委
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transcript.whisperx[287].text 好 主委 是現在海洋司法會具體的推展那本市還是很肯定啦因為我們海巡 以及海洋委員會很多的業務的推動 也需要說主委的帶動啦因為畢竟我們有地方有很多非法的漁船在台灣海峽附近
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transcript.whisperx[288].text 不管是挑釁也好 不管說從事非法的補餘也好我們海神都要秉持著說 要維持著我們的潛力啦所以說海神是非常辛苦這點本身是非常重點 非常非常關心我們的預算沒有解凍未來對我們整個海神的推動都是自愛難惜所以說今天我們看到說
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transcript.whisperx[289].text 交易來辦這個翁的結凍案我認為這一定要趕快解決不然你後面還有半年的時間你根本就沒辦法去推動是我們到8月的時候就完成不下去了請大家注意未來結凍是不是說推動來的會更加順利謝謝委員支持好謝謝感謝翁主委好那現在我請我們客委會
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transcript.whisperx[290].text 好請客
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transcript.whisperx[291].text 好 委員好好 主委好主委我看我們那個客家客家的語言的流失的效法的幅度非常的大這針對我們客家的語言未來我們要怎麼去讓客家語言能夠從下扎根讓你一些小朋友你就要讓他去熟悉我們的客家語言這是本席比較注重因為包括說本席每一年都
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transcript.whisperx[292].text 我們的新北市都在辦童話祭嘛童話祭其實越來人口非常多尤其結合我們的客家一些社團包括客使會啊包括說很多我們的客家族群讓他們可以來社攤可以在那裡來推動
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transcript.whisperx[293].text 所以說未來我們的客家語言我認為還是要透過一些試劑透過一些社團共同讓我們客家人的下一代他們能接觸我們的客家語言不然你流失的速度非常快今天出來外面大家都沒有人在說客語包括說客家客家人他下一代他也不教他客家語言這是未來我們要去重視的
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transcript.whisperx[294].text 是那個很同意委員的說法現在流失率這麼的嚴重確實我們很多經費都是在學校的教育上從幼兒園或者是國小端的教學這個我們相當重視那同時也觸及到社會跟家庭
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transcript.whisperx[295].text 那但是還是沒有辦法全面這個我們承認這個確實在整體上的推動還需要很大的力量去推動所以我們的各項的推廣只要是對小朋友他們有學習的能力可以多接觸最相信對未來我們客家語言推動會更加順利好不好是好謝謝主委謝謝委員好謝謝因為時間到了
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transcript.whisperx[296].text 好 我們請黃建斌委員謝謝主席 我們有請陸委會主委好 請邱主委
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transcript.whisperx[297].text 黃委員好所以首先本席要表達的內容其實是要針對我們各部會來做溝通不是只有針對陸委會那今天是審查我們海委會、各委會、中選會、陸委會總預算報告的結通案那本席相信內政委員會的委員態度都一致就是希望中央能夠儘速送結通報告來我們這樣可以儘速來審議儘速的趕快來動之預算
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transcript.whisperx[298].text 但我們攤開整個時間表來看114年年度我們中央政府總預算在今年的1月21號三讀通過2月19號立法院知情賴總統公布那賴總統則是在3月21日才公布那依照過去我們的慣例那當總統公布之後各部會應該就會著手提交相關的這個解凍的專案報告或者是書面報告給立法院那不過這段時間有公務人員吹哨者爆料有高層要求部會押注預算的解凍報告
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transcript.whisperx[299].text 那甚至文化部內部的信件更直接說請確認解凍報告不會被解讀成早早就寫好現在才送來的這個字眼而行政院主任長甚至到1月22號才公布表示要各部會解凍案一律全部送出來這有趣的是說當院長這句話一講完立法院就收到各部會的預算解凍報告我想這根本就是坐實各部會其實確實早就準備好這個解凍報告但因為高層的壓力才不敢送
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transcript.whisperx[300].text 中央政府是不是政治操作而刻意拖延預算凍結那我想國人的眼睛都是雪亮的那根據中華民國憲法第六條的規定立法院有議決法律案、預算案、建案等重要事項之權這也代表立法院身負憲法賦予的預算審查權目的就是為了要為我們人民守住納稅人的錢因此才會要求各部會
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transcript.whisperx[301].text 提出相關的報告跟國人說清楚說我們的錢到底要怎麼用我想這才是政府負責任的一個態度的表現那然而我們立法院在聽取各部會預算解凍報告的內容之後只要預算運用合理我相信絕對都會支持預算解凍讓各部會可以盡快來執行因此本席在這邊要跟各部會再一次表達
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transcript.whisperx[302].text 只要合理的使用預算本席絕對支持也希望能夠盡速審議盡速解凍使用我們也希望各部會可以跟立法院積極來溝通不要因為特定高層的壓力而選擇讓政治掛帥製造更多的爭議甚至也讓我們的公務員為難
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transcript.whisperx[303].text 那針對今天的專題報告我想因為質詢時間有限本席要特別針對農產的部分為台東的農民來請命我想因為如果兩岸的關係持續的冰凍對台東的農產品衝擊非常大我想這個本席在散會期都不斷的質詢那對於如何要來改善我們從今天陸委會提出的報告仍然看不出有更好的方法
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transcript.whisperx[304].text 那主委你在報告中一直強調陸委會跟農業部非常的努力但本席要跟主委報告我相信你們願意努力但是問題是從目前的結果來看農民真的很難感受到那也因為這樣地方政府跟農友必須要自立自強台東縣在饒縣長不斷的如下積極溝通
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transcript.whisperx[305].text 好不容易終於才幫助台東的私家恢復銷售往中國大陸那今年初遼縣長也帶團到對岸行銷農產品本席也跟親農也一起過去我想大家的心態都很單純就是我們只想要幫農民找出路那結果沒有想到說居然有往今側翼把這些親農的照片放到網路上說他們是去向中國下跪
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transcript.whisperx[306].text 我想這個害無辜的青農又被這些青鳥出征我想這個真的是已經瘋狂到一個極點那地方首長幫農民賣農產品有錯嗎農民幫自己找出物有錯嗎
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transcript.whisperx[307].text 我們台灣不能因為政治惡鬥剝奪民生造成人民之間的仇恨跟堆積這是本市一直在要求的那最後本席最後要跟陸委會來表達就是我們千萬不要忘記你們重要的職責之一就是維持兩岸的互動跟關係協助我們兩岸的關係能夠良性的發展那當地方政府願意來分擔部分的責任那協助政府改善兩岸經濟貿易的同時也請中央政府應該要扮演隊友的角色而不是在旁邊
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transcript.whisperx[308].text 人眼反光 人言人語甚至攻擊我想要呼籲大家請務必放下政治鬥爭注重民生經濟跟我們地方政府還有民間團體共同來打開產業的活路讓台東的農業觀光可以恢復往日的榮景以上我想跟主委來說這些我心裡的話 謝謝主委
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transcript.whisperx[309].text 謝謝黃委員有關於這個台中的這個農業也好觀光也好我想我也多次跟委員說明我們確實要保護我們的農民守護我們的農業那麼由於中國大陸對台還是有很多區別對待
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transcript.whisperx[310].text 還是有很多統戰的思考我們怕他說斷就斷反而讓農民更加的血本無歸還有我們公安業者更加的投訴我們所以我們要保障他維護他恐怕對於中國大陸的交流我們要非常審慎以對不過就站在委員這個服務鄉親立場我們也是一樣我們都跟主管部會農業部來保護農民跟我們公安署一樣來協助我們業者我們會全力以赴謝謝委員資訊
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transcript.whisperx[311].text 謝謝主委把我們老百姓放在心裡面那本市未來我們也期待能夠一起努力讓我們的人民過更好的生活謝謝主委 謝謝主席好 我們請丁學忠委員感謝主席我要邀請我們這個陸委會的邱主委好 請邱主委
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transcript.whisperx[312].text 主委好,主委好,我們定日改,我們陸委會有召開這個記者會,說有接到協議,說有大陸的宗教團體有依據規定申請來台灣,來進行這個宗教的交流,我們陸委會說會依法查判,現在兩方的交流,很侵犯,像這個馬祖、翁爺的信仰,這麼多的交流,
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transcript.whisperx[313].text 大陸那些宗教都有關係,也都有在互動,像這樣
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transcript.whisperx[314].text 大陸那間的宗教交流,台灣的教育生意都要申請,如果沒有申請,我們算違法?
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transcript.whisperx[315].text 這個儀軌的交流典禮的交流或者教育研修的這個交流這涉及到我們台灣也是一個宗教自由的國家我們歡迎做這個交流但是他如果是他本身不具有專業的身份他純粹就是想來參訪 遶境不是專業的這個宗教交流那我們就會審慎看待
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transcript.whisperx[316].text 他是不是藉由宗教文化交流來進行統戰或滲透分化我們過去在很多例子當中發現有一些違規違常的現象我們希望是塑造一個健康有序的交流環境也請委員支持我們
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transcript.whisperx[317].text 我們現在宗教,是都比較怕去用鐵矯錢,說去用統戰我們宗教信仰,都是一些民間的一個活動當國會 、 、 、 、 、 、 、 、 、 、 、 、 、 進行這個合作的勞勤奮鬥的這個活動有國連團體,去跟我們各國 、 、 、 、 、 、 、 、 、 、 、 、 、 、 、 、 、 、 、 、 、 、 、
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transcript.whisperx[318].text 幾十年來到北京的時候 他們在那裡做事
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transcript.whisperx[319].text 結果 國安公司跟他們說 那個時間 鄉下車車 鄉下車車都會進到那個國安地區而且 國安的國共委員 國安警 所有人員 大家都出來發聲來迎接一年一度過三個月的這個改造的這個廢墟的活動非常努力的一個活動
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transcript.whisperx[320].text 跟他們說請他們這裡的國務院團隊延遲結果國務院團隊在臉書在網絡說各港人都是中共同路人的中共同路人說我們各港人都會去通戰這種惡質的公法
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transcript.whisperx[321].text 主委你有沒有什麼想法?跟委員報告,我們認為任何的政治活動啊,這個不當藉口宗教幾宗教,政敵幾政敵,怎麼可以這樣把我們國家安危?怎麼可以免於我們媽祖?這真的是非常惡劣的一種作法
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transcript.whisperx[322].text 我們也希望兩岸的交流不要有統戰化、政治化、風險化那我們都來協助我們相關的團體在進行這個交流能夠降低風險,讓它專業化、單純化
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transcript.whisperx[323].text 我們希望我們希望說我們這個宗教交流我們應該要把可行不可行我們把明文規定給很清楚不是用這個個案處理的方式讓人無所適從我們防範統戰當然是重要的但是真正這樣做
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transcript.whisperx[324].text 應該要從法律上去認定交流的規範,不是用我們現金手段來對這個個案做研查所以我們會制度化、機制化我們移民署上面會有要求大概一萬兩千台幣的人
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transcript.whisperx[325].text 要公告這個已喪失中國戶籍的證明對象是2004年進行就拿到台灣新聞局的大陸去或是說出事在我們中國的主陸有這麼多人都已經在台灣生活了二三十年了早就對大陸一些行政程序比較好實施不知道怎麼找人倒三天
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transcript.whisperx[326].text 這個地區,如果有一些地區沒有要出這個證明,這樣人家怎麼來幫我們協助?是,委員你如果不出案,今天都交給我們來幫你處理,跟委員報告是這樣因為我們是依法,必須取得我們台灣身份的人,必須要放棄中國大陸的身份然後把這個放棄中國大陸原籍證明,再繳回來
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transcript.whisperx[327].text 這才會合法取得他台灣的身份我們這個是依法行政那過去可能沒有落實我們現在全面來清查但是中華會員說的很重要我們要協助那個不方便的目前現階段沒有能力回去中國大陸或是遇到有什麼自愛難行的我們都來協助他
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transcript.whisperx[328].text 我們會看到他的類型看能不能適用我們的這種替代方案或是配套措施能夠在他有能力的時候再回去放棄我們都會來每個個案的輔導如果服務處有相關的案件我們都很願意來協處
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transcript.whisperx[329].text 感謝主委 我知道主委都非常願意來協助到一些困難的國分 我在這裡建議 主要我在這裡建議我們政府 針對我們這裡的政策 第一我們是要把它弄清楚這個規矩再來 主要我府府長 第二是各種款項 尤其是這個宗教自由和法治穩定的議題 再來
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transcript.whisperx[330].text 就應該要從這個法律面訂出一套清楚的一個制度不是說用我們憲政的方針來對著這個五清五楚的這個制度雙方來給他們做一個抵制還是做一個這個勘決
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transcript.whisperx[331].text 希望說我們宗教交流可以給一個查核,我們政府應該站起來,我們這個協助運動的角度來做事情,為他講清楚整個基地的運動,才可以讓兩方交流,有這個秩序,有這個秩序啦,讓他們知道,不會說感覺自己,不然他們奇妙的說,就去抽籤去查查,這樣啦。
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transcript.whisperx[332].text 請我們主委在這個部分先講一下好 還有感謝主委 謝謝謝謝主席好 我們請李博義委員好 謝謝先有請海委會主委好 請管主委李委員好
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transcript.whisperx[333].text 主委謝謝那今天內政委員會特別到這個大會議室來做這些預算的煽動應該是解凍的這些會議的討論那我想要強調一件事情
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transcript.whisperx[334].text 就是主委在4月17號的時候在質詢台上在內政委員會的質詢台上那有表示因為我們在去年做的這些決議裡面刪減預算的部分不得留用那所以今天就算解凍
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transcript.whisperx[335].text 希望可以順利解凍11億 海委會的預算裡面但是被刪掉10億不得流用的部分600噸的蘭嶼艦跟1000噸的花蓮艦是不是還是沒辦法交船 主委
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transcript.whisperx[336].text 各位委員報告因為我們還有其他被刪減的部分我們真的是在刀口上的錢所以我們要想辦法把它們補足所以在可以留用而被刪減但是又非常有高度急迫性的部分我們給予它補足了以後
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transcript.whisperx[337].text 到最後我們總共處理的結果就是有這兩艘艦艇年底的時候我們確實是會延遲交貨所以我要在這邊很嚴正的跟
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transcript.whisperx[338].text 曾經刪減過這些預算的藍白委員說今天的解凍希望可以順利解凍的順利其實可以讓我們所有的海巡人員包含油料包含所有的這些包含岸上的這些基地等等的可以有充分的包含水電物資
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transcript.whisperx[339].text 可以使用甚至加班費等等是可以使用的如果今天可以解凍順利的話但是刪掉的還是救不回來主委是吧
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transcript.whisperx[340].text 刪除的部分我們能救的挪一挪以後就是有這麼多的缺口那其實是不止這一個部分第二個統三的部分國外旅費還有國內旅費還有出國教育訓練費用這個也是在委員會裡面非常熱烈討論的還是被統三了
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transcript.whisperx[341].text 所以對於解凍還是會影響到我們的國際交流派員赴美訓練還有相關的這些工程建設的進度這個部分不能留用的項目比較多因此我們遇到的困難也比較大那譬如說國外的授訓旅費等等的話我們確實是必須要縮小規模那以國內旅費來講的話譬如我們海巡署其實已經重大的影響到
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transcript.whisperx[342].text 因為我們海巡署是這樣就是說所有的分署還有所有的安檢等等單位是遍佈在全國數百個單位那他們常常必須要國內的旅費他們來開會等等那因為這個經費被刪除的結果我們沒有辦法補那因此整個海巡署他今年公出或者是出公差他的善雜費全部歸零他還有包含很多還包含東沙對 還包含
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transcript.whisperx[343].text 包含在東沙如果要回來那要搭飛機的話就會受影響那如果要排成船班或者是要拜託國防部的話就會遇到一些影響所以希望今天的解凍的部分是可以順利我們至少可以救回來至少到七八月以後這個部分因為現在已經五月了嘛我們到八月份很多就真的是沒有辦法像八月份的話
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transcript.whisperx[344].text 會本部我們的執行率就要高達99.76那以海保的話就會高達99.87那國海院也會高達96.71%那就算是海巡也是將近95%的執行率所以8月以後我們幾乎會無以為繼
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transcript.whisperx[345].text 好 謝謝主委 那我最後算一個簡單的數學行政院提出4100億的國土安全任性計畫裡面包含1500億強化國土安全任性預算裡面有包含周邊海域監測有包含立體徵收 有包含海岸監偵還有包含規劃新型的巡防艦艇
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transcript.whisperx[346].text 但是這有1500億那另外還有針對台電的撥補提出1000億那另外還有相關的一些照護民生以及就業安定930億以及1600億這樣加起來是4100億
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transcript.whisperx[347].text 在野黨提出來2300億普發現金之外那目前的4100億很明顯的就是超過了那我們希望我們可以來支持由行政院來提出來的這些方案包含國土安全任性謝謝主委你請回
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transcript.whisperx[348].text 主委讓你簡單回應一下我跟委員報告我真的非常非常希望國土任性屬於海巡署的這個部分可以被支持為什麼呢因為它將是劃時代的里程碑跟委員報告的話我從就任2023年開始的時候就認為說我們要海空一體
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transcript.whisperx[349].text 我們空中的能量是幾乎是沒有辦法達成我們應有的任務那我們水下或者是水面我們也都還不夠我們夜間也都還不夠所以這筆錢如果能夠挹注於海巡署的話海巡署將是一個莫大的蛻變它將會是真正的海空一體立體的能力會建構它將是24小時的能量可以完整的補充起來
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transcript.whisperx[350].text 而如果說明年開始我們要用新的財化法這麼重要的一個歷史性的經費我們不知道說用新的財化法下去的話中央的預算能不能挹注海巡署這麼重大的轉型所以這一筆預算如果能夠挹注海巡署至少我們前三年的預算可以確保的話這個重要的歷史的里程碑就可以往前走
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transcript.whisperx[351].text 謝謝主委 海巡等同國防我希望我們在這4100億裡面等於加強我們的國防真的非常急迫性的需要再請客委會主委 謝謝好 請谷主委
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transcript.whisperx[352].text 主席抱歉我再多一分鐘的時間來釐清為什麼我們用內政委員會為主題那今天來到這邊
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transcript.whisperx[353].text 我的印象中在去年審議預算的時候內政委員會並沒有刪除那麼多客委會的預算有凍結4億但是在院會裡面還是被刪除了1億9千萬的預算
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transcript.whisperx[354].text 在院會裡面突然跳過委員會把委員會討論的東西全部跳過直接在院會提出二三讀要刪除課委會預算所以身為內政委員會
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transcript.whisperx[355].text 不只客家委員他要提出說他在內政委員會並沒有刪除客家委員會的預算沒有凍結客家委員會的預算但是我要強調的這一些客家籍的委員還是在院會投票的時候投出刪除客委會的預算
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transcript.whisperx[356].text 包含傅坤祺、林思明、徐欣盈、徐巧欣還是在二三讀的時候大砍課委會預算還是在二三讀的時候凍結課委會預算所以今天我們回到我們委員會希望可以順利凍結主委希望你全力捍衛課委會預算是也謝謝委員以及內委會的委員全力來支持那希望今天的解凍案能夠順利來請委員支持謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[357].text 好 我們請黃婕委員好 謝謝主席 我們請陸委會邱主委黃委員好可以放到最大嗎
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transcript.whisperx[358].text 好 謝謝主委我這邊要跟你請教一個案子喔因為其實最近我收到非常多有一個泰國的明星就是Leom他們的見面會的相關的陳情案那裡面其實跟這個中資有非常大的關係那是講到說這個粉絲的購票權益一直都有爭議那時候其實我也有馬上請陸委會幫我們協助調查就是這個
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transcript.whisperx[359].text 辦這個粉絲見面會的主辦單位超旗娛樂到底是不是背後有中資然後有沒有違反港澳條例那甚至是超旗的這個負責人背後也是他是共青團的成員那是不是他也有這個統戰的背景那那時候不知道我們給陸委會調查之後是不是已經啟動調查了呢跟委員報告不管是兩岸條例或是港澳條例
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transcript.whisperx[360].text 這些到台灣來如果說你沒有辦理登記或是成立分公司辦事處你就不能來從事銀商的活動所以他如果因為我們經常他還是一個非法的公司
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transcript.whisperx[361].text 如果他是違法在台灣經營這些經商的活動,這屬於非法活動那我們現在也請我們檢調單位密註這個事情,看他有沒有從事這些非法活動
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transcript.whisperx[362].text 那我們了解他辦理這個活動目前有關場地的活動或者是售票的活動都是請我們台灣的公司來承辦但是我們還在看主辦方是誰對
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transcript.whisperx[363].text 他如果掛名掛上去的話就涉及違法那我們一定依法查辦 嚴格查辦好 謝謝 謝謝主委說明現在的關鍵就是 幫我下一頁他們的主辦單位直接掛超級娛樂但是超級娛樂很明顯他是一個澳門的公司然後母公司在中國那這件事情到底有沒有違法就是我希望陸委會可以協助調查的
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transcript.whisperx[364].text 那再來我要請教一下因為現在其實我們台灣很多追星人他們因為參加這樣的活動他們不希望說在追星的時候必須得跪著追星那這就是我希望我們在台灣的政府單位可以讓追星人可以放心的地方我這邊講幾個重點先幫我回到第一頁這個實名制的問題這個對
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transcript.whisperx[365].text 這就是因為現在他們很多說因為不知道這個主辦單位到底有沒有疑慮導致說粉絲在買票的時候也會有疑慮說即便如果這個主辦單位真的是中國的公司那他用實名制會不會導致自己的個資被洩漏那這個是現在民眾很擔心的下一頁
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transcript.whisperx[366].text 然後再來其實他們中間還有非常多消費爭議的問題就是如果這個主辦單位真的是中國的公司那例如像這樣的問題我們到底台灣能不能處理就是他們現在疑似主辦單位自己就是黃牛甚至是控票蓋票這樣的行為這個是目前粉絲截圖的一個畫面下一頁
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transcript.whisperx[367].text 那這個就是現在大家最擔心的因為現在台灣其實有很多這種包括很多韓星、泰星來台灣的活動他們都是中國的公司來承辦那當然台灣他們可能會掛名一個就是類似我不能說他是白手套或是空殼公司但是很明顯
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transcript.whisperx[368].text 實質在運作的單位都是中國的公司導致說發生什麼事情這個是今年二月有人參加Rain的演唱會結果他只是在自己的應援物上面寫到台灣就被主辦單位要求不能帶著這樣的應援小物進場
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transcript.whisperx[369].text 在台灣喔 這樣的RAND演唱會在台灣辦可是他卻不能寫台灣的應援物進場這是實實在在發生的事情甚至也有其他類似的韓星、泰星的演唱會在台灣都因為主辦單位是中資導致他們在現場沒有辦法提自己的國家在台灣辦耶
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transcript.whisperx[371].text 辦的這些重要的演唱會或是表演活動一定是要合法的公司沒有合法我們消費者的權益就沒有得到保障包括你剛剛所說的實名制之後他把個資送到哪裡去如果按照我們
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transcript.whisperx[372].text 我們個資法我們是要保障我們國人的個資也不能送到境外去這是違法的這個部分我們也會請我們的文化部協同相關機構來做查核更嚴重的是說它如果是中資或者是我們境外敵對勢力辦的這個相關的活動那可能還會矮化台灣那這些都是我們查處的重點謝謝委員提醒
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transcript.whisperx[373].text 好 謝謝主委那我最後再提醒一個這個現在也希望我們陸委會可以幫忙關心因為現在在台灣辦的這一場演唱會因為他們在中國也有賣票那現在聽說是有中國的粉絲要用簽證不服的名義
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transcript.whisperx[376].text 好謝謝主委所以這個案子因為他們現在網路上已經出現各種的教學手法教你如何用其他的包括商務簽、醫療簽來到台灣然後你可以來這邊參加演唱會是所以像這樣的案子也希望我們陸委會可以協助來調查
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transcript.whisperx[377].text 好謝謝那最後一點時間一點點我希望可以我們海委會的管主委這邊我想要再跟你關心一下因為我看到目前這個我們業務費因為遭凍結三成嘛導致說我們基本的行政運作只能到七八月那我看了真的是膽戰心驚讓我非常擔心我當然希望說趕快這兩天我們就把它解凍掉
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transcript.whisperx[378].text 影響我們海巡的基本運作這是我最擔心的那所以這個也希望我們可以如果可以的話再幫我們多加說明多加溝通我們會努力的說明那今天給委員也是厚厚的一本很抱歉那請委員好這個要拜託那最後我還要這個建議一下因為我看到四月底其實我們
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transcript.whisperx[379].text 海委會跟屏東的地檢署有合辦了一個海嵐安全聯防地區應變平台那我看到這個新聞我是認為蠻肯定的這是一個好的起頭那是不是也可以在這邊建議既然屏東有了一個這樣的平台示範區那我們這個海嵐聯防的部分是不是跟其他的縣市的地檢署也來合作呢
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transcript.whisperx[380].text 那宜蘭地檢署也很稀奇我們也有在這裡要建立平台因為在北部的海域也是海蘭很重要的海域看宜蘭啊 新北啊 或者是其他光是這個海蘭的出口重要的地方都來努力看看好 那我就是以上建議那我也一直非常關心這個海蘭維護的工作那我也覺得海委會非常辛苦希望你們繼續加油謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[381].text 好 蘇巧慧委員改書面質詢葉元智 葉元智 葉元智委員不在我們請王紅衛委員
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transcript.whisperx[382].text 好 謝謝主席 我請我們海委會主委還有海巡署署長好 請管主委跟署長
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transcript.whisperx[383].text 委員好主委還有署長前兩天在網路上社群平台有一個爆料海巡2.0他說這個海巡署要求同人協助在臉書上找假帳號這裡面是說你長期在個人臉書發布對台政治攻擊執政黨及提倡兩岸統一的言論疑似為境外異常帳號操作認知作戰
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transcript.whisperx[384].text 那而且到各大可能一直有在批評執政黨或是台灣政治的粉絲專頁來尋找而且要把他這個資訊貼到群組那所以呢這個爆料者就認為說海巡的工作的本物是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[385].text 然後呢這個難道海巡還要巡到網路上了是嗎這個好像已經完全逾越了原來海巡署同仁他們應有的職務那後來我也看到那個海巡署就有發布新聞稿
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transcript.whisperx[386].text 在這個新聞稿裡面呢其實呢他也沒有完全的否認那麼裡面就提到就說如果有疑似中共操縱的異常帳號所以也要海巡署或者權責機關及時更正以安定民心士氣所以我想請教一下主委跟署長我們海巡署的組織法裡面
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transcript.whisperx[387].text 那麼我們海巡署同仁包含要去尋網路嗎包含要去針對這個認知作戰他們要去收集這些相關的資訊嗎那這個部分是不是已經逾越到我們海巡署的執掌的業務因為我覺得我們是一個法治的國家所以我想請問一下主委還有或者是署長
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transcript.whisperx[388].text 能不能針對這個事情到底你們要讓我們海巡署的同仁到底要做些什麼樣的業務難道他們突然要變身國安局或者是警政署嗎這些事情不應該是警政署跟國安局的職務嗎我想請主委或者是署長能不能說明一下到底你們要求是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[389].text 委員剛剛有講到一個重點就是認知作戰我從舉例先開始114年聯合演訓跟海峽雷霆2025A這個時候就出現了一個假新聞這是認知作戰就是說我們的媒體甚至於報導說網路上面在傳說LNG船因為中國的經驗無法進港這是假消息那我們海巡很重要在軍演的時候這個假訊息假訊息是不是應該有
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transcript.whisperx[390].text 國安局或者軍演的應對前海巡署認定我們要不要去澄清假訊息要不要打擊假訊息很重要但是今天海巡署海巡署未來是第二海軍
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transcript.whisperx[391].text 那我不曉得海巡署還要變成網軍嗎?我錯了委員 這個跟網軍完全無關這個我意思是說我們沒有網軍 海巡沒有網軍但是海巡在因應反制中共灰色地帶襲擾的認知作戰上面我們是第一線重要的部隊我們一定要做軍演的時候這個訊息
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transcript.whisperx[392].text 主委 你要不要去讀一下你去讀一下海巡署的組織法所以我要講的是組織法整理的時候海巡的同仁會質疑說今天海巡的工作的本務是什麼這點非常重要
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transcript.whisperx[393].text 政府的機關之間本來就有各自的職職所以國鄉請教一下主委同樣的在4100億因為我時間有限趕快問一下比較重要的
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transcript.whisperx[394].text 4100億的特別條例因為有1500億是國土安全韌性那這裡面因為其實提到立法院的這部分的敘述非常的有限那裡面就是有提到有關於海巡的設施所以我要講的就是說其實我們要很界定是第一個我們海巡的業務是什麼那海巡
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transcript.whisperx[395].text 他現在所缺少的是什麼在預算要補強的是什麼所以你這4100億1500億因為我剛講說加強國土安全韌性不能說六個字要1500億嘛對不對所以我們大約需要300億我給您一點時間好嗎就是說因為我們所看到在立法院送過來立法院的1500億的內容實在是太少了
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transcript.whisperx[397].text 到目前為止可不可以來做一些說明各位委員報告我剛剛有說明這是一個跨時代的海巡轉型的一個非常重要的基礎多少錢是我們大約目前還沒有完全核定因為條例都已經送到立法院來了條例也還沒有過條例過了以後不是你送到立法院你要讓我們知道你要花在哪裡以我們目前我們需要的其實更多但是至少可以給我們300億所以海巡的部分
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transcript.whisperx[398].text 海巡的部分300億1500億裡面海巡300億是這樣嗎 確定嗎目前我們海巡可以爭取到的大約就是300億的規模這對我們來講是非常非常重要的好 300億要花在哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[399].text 因為我不要佔用大家時間 300億要花在那裏我第一次聽到1500億裏面 包括您關心的包括您所關心 您都曾經來聞希望知道我們的熱險象儀要部署在哪裏的時候那跟委員報告 熱險象儀有或沒有對於海巡是一個劃時代的轉型因為我們需要24小時都有監證能力那為什麼在今年度的預算裏面沒有放進來啊
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transcript.whisperx[400].text 為什麼今年度預算沒有放進來?我們在去年的時候 去年的時候發生的事情 去年的時候質詢但是為什麼今年的預算沒有編進來?我們增加五十三億就可以罵到現在了我們今年度的預算增加五十三億就可以罵到臭頭
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transcript.whisperx[401].text 三百億要花算的在爭取預算我們都講不出來時間那麼久了耶起碼三分鐘過去你講不出來除了三百億講不出來你到底要花在哪裡呢你講啊沒有講不出來我已經說了海空一體跟二十四小時的精銳海巡光是這幾個字什麼
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transcript.whisperx[403].text 要花在哪裡講半天你跟我講一些形容詞非常可惜啦真的很可惜沒有把握機會受到立法院這麼久到現在為止連這個精確具體的項目都講不出來我不曉得你們這個預算到底是怎麼編的啦我今天真的做愁給你可惜了好不好或者是你可以書面的提供給我們各位委員 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[404].text 好謝謝好來何欣淳何欣淳何欣淳委員不在鄭振淺鄭振淺鄭振淺委員不在然後請徐欣穎委員嗯
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transcript.whisperx[405].text 謝謝主席 本席有請海委會管主委還有中選會理主委以及陸委會邱主委還有客委會的谷主委請示位主委
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transcript.whisperx[406].text 好 四位主委本席想請教四位對於我們中央政府的總預算我們中央應該說我們的預算它是人民的血汗錢不是執政黨的提款卡認同的請舉手
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transcript.whisperx[407].text 李主委不認同我們中央政府的預算那個是人民的血汗錢不是執政黨的提款卡你沒舉手不認同沒舉手沒關係那整個的
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transcript.whisperx[408].text 預算 國會的監督 主要最應該的應該是監督錢有沒有合法的編列以及是不是能夠真正把事情做對 做出績效而不是開空白支票 認同的請舉手
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transcript.whisperx[409].text 所以委員都很支持我們所以在委員會只刪了1500億我現在是請四位認同的請舉手我再講一遍就是我們的預算應該是要能夠把事情能夠做對而且呢做出績效我們各位身為行政官員你認同
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transcript.whisperx[410].text 人民的血汗錢這麼多的預算我們應該把事情做對做出績效而且合法的編列認同的請舉手我認同不認同的請舉手
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transcript.whisperx[411].text 我認為這個是一個簡單的道理請委員是不是可以容許我們我現在就在問認同的請舉手這個好像小學生一樣也浪費了委員的時間主席麻煩你暫停時間我沒有要他們答覆他們在答覆我請他們舉手他們都不舉手
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transcript.whisperx[412].text 因為舉手這個動作說實在的請你們原諒因為剛剛主委也說了我們四個人在這裡都舉手現在這個時代就是影像出去的話所以我們用口頭回答好不好認同的請點頭可以吧原來你們是很在意舉手那認同的請點頭我再問一個問題
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transcript.whisperx[413].text 您在座的四位主委以及您所率領的單位同仁你們都有認知到說我們的職責
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transcript.whisperx[414].text 就是為全民服務我們不是替某個政黨來出征不是替某個政黨服務我們領的是國家人民的納稅錢、薪水就是您主委以及您所率領的我們這些同仁大家有這份認知的請點頭
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transcript.whisperx[415].text 我們前幾天破貨的毒品當然是為全民我沒有請你回答認同的請舉手對不起 認同的請點頭好 謝謝所以我們希望我們的中央政府的官員我們是為全民服務很多事情把它做好我想我們所有的在野黨的立委
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transcript.whisperx[416].text 我們絕對不是如外面現在謠言惑眾所說的我們三預算凍結預算是要黨改革或是政府做對 絕對沒有我們就是希望能夠讓政府能夠做到民眾期望的
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transcript.whisperx[417].text 那只要是當用則用那當省則省不要腐爛編列預算好現在我請三位主委回座請谷主委留這個好謝謝好許委員好好谷主委是本席想請教您我們客委會
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transcript.whisperx[418].text 在行政院還沒有核定前就已經把新一期的國家客家發展計畫編入了114年度的預算請問這個有沒有違反預算法第39條第一項明定的預算之編制應依據法定計畫
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transcript.whisperx[419].text 應該這麼說我們國家客家發展計畫因為第一期到112年那113年空窗了所以我們在因為113年所以你們是不是應該要行政院核定嘛
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transcript.whisperx[420].text 到現在都還沒核定就本席了解現在已經在會各部會的意見當中到目前都還沒有核定你們就已經把整個沒有這樣的一個依據計劃內容你們就已經預算編進去了但我們針對中長城的計劃編列預算這個是合乎規定的
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transcript.whisperx[421].text 可是現在國家客家發展計畫沒有你到現在沒有提出來那今天的解凍案已經提出來了我所謂提出來對不起我講的是我們今天的解凍案今天解凍案當初是說我們要提出
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transcript.whisperx[422].text 解凍書面報告以及新一期的國家客家發展計畫那你這個計畫行政院沒有核定你就提出來那你當初提給行政院的時候行政院也還有意見你們現在應該在修改吧根本報告國家客家發展計畫並沒有在這所有的書面或專題報告專案報告裡頭當中所以每一個案子我們都提過來了
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transcript.whisperx[423].text 今天沒有這個案嗎應該沒有啊應該沒有吧那我們看到應該那個內容裡面那個是委員應該是有一位委員提到一直提到我們113年度沒有國家客家發展計畫那是114年到117年這樣那本席特別的在這裡等一下我要請那個另一位單位上來我在最後
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transcript.whisperx[424].text 針對那個谷主委我想即便是蔡英文總統執政的八年我們看到柯委會的預算還是總預算柯委會的預算還是有被刪減
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transcript.whisperx[425].text 即便我們李永德主委 客委會主委他的夫人就是我們的邱委員在民進黨蔡英文八年的完全執政下還是有刪減預算所以不要再拿說有客家人刪減客家預算來做文章 因為
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transcript.whisperx[426].text 這個立法委員監督不管刪減或凍結一定是有憑有據不合法的或是服邊的該刪的要刪但是凍結的部分來自於我們的審查的空間時間不夠不夠完備所以呢我們有這個凍結的機制也就是說我們行政單位提出凍結報告
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transcript.whisperx[427].text 解凍報告那讓我們委員們覺得這個是合乎這個規定的而且也看到了行政單位的這個成效我們是可以解凍的所以我想主委您應該也了解那在這個客會我想我時間有關係謝謝主委最後我們可不可以請那個主計總處今天有沒有來
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transcript.whisperx[428].text 好 請主計總署不好意思主委還是請你因為接下來也還是這個委員好
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transcript.whisperx[429].text 我想請教主計總署這個剛剛本席質詢的我們國家客家發展計劃這個預算的編列如果計劃沒有核定前就先編列預算請問主計總署有沒有認定違法因為我們114年的預算已經審完了但是在提出預算前他這個行政院沒有編沒有沒有核定
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transcript.whisperx[430].text 我們這邊編類的計畫是指中長城個案計畫那計畫經過行政院核定之後我們就會那邊預算對但是在預算提出來之前還沒核定嗎這邊講的委員這邊講的應該是客家的
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transcript.whisperx[431].text 一個整體大的方向的一個規劃案並不是涉及個案的計畫不是涉及個案所以我本席問的就是新一期的國家客家發展計畫沒有核定可是它依據它卻已經編出預算了
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transcript.whisperx[432].text 好 沒關係所以這一塊主計總署我現在主要問你如果計劃沒有核定前先編預算是不是有認定違法目前客委會的這些預算都有這些計劃都有經過行政院的核定中長城個案計劃的部分都有經過我們的如果是屬於工建或者是一些科技計劃都有經過審議程序納入預算
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transcript.whisperx[435].text 好OK好那我們這個最後最後本席想特別就足記董事的請回那主委我想我們客家
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transcript.whisperx[436].text 的語言跟文化的傳承預算的經費當然很重要但是我們能夠做出績效讓我們客家的文化語言能夠真正的傳承才是最重要的現在很多人都覺得整個的傳承是崩壞的所以我們希望您再努力好不好
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transcript.whisperx[437].text 一定是這樣子那也要特別請委員特別是我們的委員在客家莊或者是客籍的委員來協助這個預算的支持我們一定支持而且我在這邊最後感謝主席我最後講
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transcript.whisperx[438].text 我們柯委會在網頁上在FB上面所寫的我要在這邊特別說我們在委員會的時候本席當召委主持一毛沒三您認同吧我也跟委員說不是吧你認同嗎你回答我問題然後接著我知道你要講的是院會二讀三讀所以我在這裡我要講的
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transcript.whisperx[439].text 這完全沒有討論過 那我們也求惡不及沒有辦法說明 那也要請這個時候客氣的不是欸 主席我沒有問 我問的你答完你可以讓我講嗎然後進入二讀跟三讀 進入二讀跟三讀的時候其實黨團提出來的時候 主委你沒看到這個我之前也有跟委員不是我可不可以講啊
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transcript.whisperx[440].text 黨團在二讀跟三讀的時候每個黨團都內部有在討論你沒看到的是我們課級的委員怎麼樣的在為課委會的預算護航所以我要講的就是說如果我們不是極力但您要做出績效而且這這麼多委員在進入到院會甚至二讀三讀黨團的時候有各個政黨的委員還有個別的委員
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transcript.whisperx[442].text 我們在黨團提出來的時候也很多單位他都有來溝通那我因為我個人沒有在黨團的時候提出來我不知道你們有沒有溝通我不知道你們有沒有溝通所以我在這裡我要在最後再強調在黨團提案的時候
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transcript.whisperx[444].text 蔡英文執政的8年所以那個沒什麼好講的因為所有委員都監管所以你們應該要去跟行政單位多溝通
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transcript.whisperx[445].text 表達就是說我一個人但是在野黨有六十幾位所以你們要多去溝通我們已經幫客委會盡量的打但是你的表現你客委會展現出來的績效還有你對預算你有沒有浮邊爛邊被人家質疑針對特定單位你的這個經費還有重複編列
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transcript.whisperx[446].text 你的合理性必要性你沒有說服委員委員我們在你的營運收入你一直年年應該提升你卻沒有提升所以我想有很多可以再加強你做得好我們大家全力支持好謝謝主委也謝謝主席好謝謝好我們請鄭天才委員
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transcript.whisperx[447].text 好 主席 各位委員有請中選會主委好 請李主委要特別跟這個客家委員會的主委說明這個今天在場你坐著就好今天在場的在第八屆的立法委員之前就當立委的就是我們的這個海委會的主委他很清楚第八屆以前三的預算更多了
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transcript.whisperx[448].text 然後這一次之所以溝通就是沒有因為沒有溝通就是為了大罷免所以柯總召在這整個草野協商的時候就是不協商嘛所以這個部分這個好這個我們還是回歸到這個好這個主委好這個
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transcript.whisperx[449].text 不再舉投票啊這個我一再提了啊印尼印尼這個國家跟我們台灣的民主發展監禁各方面印尼他們都可以實施不再舉投票而且不是不是只有在
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transcript.whisperx[450].text 印尼還包含海外在台灣在台灣都實施不在籍投票這個按照這個外交部提供的印尼從103年開始在台灣就有總統跟國會大選的不在籍投票108年
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transcript.whisperx[451].text 也舉行國會跟總統大賞也是在台灣就有在台灣的印尼的人民他就可以在台灣投票一直到去年113年2月14號都一樣照常舉行了
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transcript.whisperx[452].text 印尼福源很大跟台灣比起來差很多很多何況他們在國內就實施了到了國外更是這樣實施原住民族要求的不多啦只是說這麼小的一個台灣這麼小的一個台灣
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transcript.whisperx[453].text 我們也希望能夠實施嚴重民主的不在己投票在過去的質詢中選會的答覆在這個整個作業上就選務工作上沒有什麼困難我們先不談海外了
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transcript.whisperx[454].text 原住民在海外的也很少啦就原住民族的因為我們很多的原鄉的鄉親戶籍在原鄉但是工作就業就寫在都會期要回到台東要回到蘭嶼要回到屏東要回到花蓮
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transcript.whisperx[455].text 都非常遙遠所以這樣的一個實施不在己 原住民主實施不在己投票到底這個中選會是不是可以繼續支持來 諸位
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transcript.whisperx[456].text 謝謝委員的指教那我也向委員要表達我內心對你的敬重因為我在這六年多以來大概委員對於原住民投票權的保障尤其是這個不在籍投票以及投票秘密各個環節委員都非常非常的關心
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transcript.whisperx[458].text 不過總而言之我在講任何理由都無助於委員對於我們這個問題對中選會的一些期待那這個問題現在已經提案了已經進入草野協商這個階段了我們希望草野協商的這個過程能夠順利如果草野能夠達成共識就原住民的投票
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transcript.whisperx[459].text 或者就原住民的特定的選舉採取特定的不再集投票的模式朝野之間有充分的共識經過立法的程序的話那中選會配合來辦理這絕對沒有問題主委謝謝你但是很重要的朝野要能夠共同的支持
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transcript.whisperx[461].text 好 謝謝鄭天才委員 再來我們請張祺凱委員請六委會邱隨正 邱主委好 請邱主委
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transcript.whisperx[462].text 張委員好主委,你是對的人?我身邊的人身邊的人,那裡叫行政院那個官網啊有漢人跟其他人嘛,對不對?你是哪裡人?如果照行政院這個官網的分類因為你身邊,你是哪邊的人?新竹市是漢人還是其他人?當然是,一般漢人你是漢人?
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transcript.whisperx[463].text 行政院把96.2的漢人都現在變成是其他人所以你說你是漢人那以後你就是其他人了是不是照這樣分類是不是其他人主委你現在陸委會主委這個很重要結果民進黨政府現在一直在推動這個去中化去安化你的工作會不會很難做委員我們並沒有委員所說的那樣的事情
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transcript.whisperx[464].text 看起來很多都停擺我看你很多業務都推動的還是有在持續的進行交流只不過我們在去統戰化去政治化讓交流回歸到對等尊嚴健康有序的環境來進行
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transcript.whisperx[465].text 都溝通啦然後多一些和平少一些對立要不然的話老實講再這樣下去陸委會不是只有預算凍結現在解凍陸委會搞不好應該都要拆掉沒有功能了沒有需要了我們同仁現在還在履行兩岸條例跟港澳條例的相關業務我們陸委會同仁戰戰兢兢的那麼業務上其實也相當的繁重
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transcript.whisperx[466].text 主委我看你今天的解凍報告提到說我們台灣現在有36萬6千個陸配家庭用大概4口人來算好了
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transcript.whisperx[467].text 大概有150萬陸配的這個家庭跟陸配有關係的 才會報國盤 對不對我看你的這個報告裡面講到說要協助陸配家庭深入去融入我國社會的生活等政策 對不對要多努力我們希望多一些協助 多一些照顧那最近啊 老實講不只沒有協助 我覺得最近啊去推民國94年之前也就是2004年
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transcript.whisperx[468].text 2004年3月1號之前要陸配回去找21年以前的大陸
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transcript.whisperx[469].text 他的除籍資料來講是有強人手難當然這段時間包括你也到我辦公室我們都有協調我大概有六次開了六次協調會你已經是我第四次執行這個問題了那我們現在看起來有些突破可是老實講照顧還是不夠的那我們先來講我們現在做了哪些事情可是有些地方我們進一步來解決好不好我先問你現在最新的一個解決方案就是很多陸配跟二代接到你們通知之後
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transcript.whisperx[470].text 很擔心會不會戶籍被取消或者甚至被驅逐出境變成人囚現在我們初步的一個突破是這樣子一方面我們先治標跟治本治標我們現在做的就是現在開始接受申請包括你可以本人到移民署也可以用郵件也可以用紙本然後接到之後是不是一個月內你們本身就要做好這個審查
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transcript.whisperx[471].text 跟委員報告有關於現在的這些專案在協處的那剛剛委員說因為年代久遠那如果他手邊沒有任何的證明文件我們移民署跟海基會都會提供讓他有所本
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transcript.whisperx[472].text 第二個 他可能在放棄大陸原籍可能還有許多的自愛難行我們要感謝委員包括您還有你們辦公室團隊都積極的在協助那我們也協助你們辦公室所轉來的個案都得到充分的協助那我們要跟委員講
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transcript.whisperx[473].text 這個案子並不是在找陸培家庭的麻煩而是我們在疫情期間做了第一波清理然後回溯清理發現還是有人沒有一直到剛剛委員所說2004年3月1號之前那些放棄大陸原籍的很多都沒有放棄我們是也可以把問題蓋下來但是我們選擇面對問題勇於承擔而且找出解決問題的方法
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transcript.whisperx[474].text 讓我們的陸配家庭真的有機會不要受貶質疑他在台灣的生活是合法的在這個前提下才能安居樂業我們是朝這個目的來做當然有一些資深陸配家裡或是他二代這個我們要提供許多的協助
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transcript.whisperx[475].text 讓他排除各種問題我們今天最重要是要解決問題啦政府存在的目的不是製造問題是解決問題所以我們共同努力嘛我們今天很清楚跟現在擔心的陸配跟二代我們今天很清楚跟他講他現在本來他們擔心是什麼你4月2號寄通知你要三個月內要他們完成初級嘛對不對
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transcript.whisperx[476].text 時間快到了喔對 委員你要跟我們聯繫就不用擔心有被除籍的問題所以現在跟陸委會跟移民署跟海基會聯繫上就沒有問題我們都會抓人跟他輔導來解決他的問題所以不會有六月底或者七月初被除籍這個問題我們都會全力協助所以你們只要去申請你們就會給他一個通知嘛 對不對然後會有三個可能 來來看一看有三種可能 來
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transcript.whisperx[477].text 第一個你們同意讓他用用切結的方式來取代對不對這是第一種這是最理想的就是說你真正沒辦法回大陸去或者你資料已經找不到了你就同意他用切結這是最好的一個方式對不對第二種雖然沒辦法用用拒絕可是你會同意他閃連對不對另外最壞最後一種狀況你不同意終究不同意的話你還是至少會給他三個月內三個月的閃連時間是不是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[479].text 大陸現在有四個省份啦 之前是浙江嘛對不對現在山東 山西 安徽跟浙江他們都不發啦 這怎麼解決
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transcript.whisperx[480].text 跟委員報告您剛講這些拒絕提供我們陸配朋友回去放棄他的原籍證明拒絕給他除籍文件這個事都極少數那這些都是個案
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transcript.whisperx[481].text 那個案的部分我們就來協助溝通聯繫五個省份大概不會少數啦不過反正案子真的是個案我們截至目前為止都蠻順利的就用專案去幫忙啦好不好抱歉抱歉因為時間拖太久了不好意思我用兩分鐘主席兩分鐘你先請我好不好我請那個中選會主委不好意思喔謝謝因為這問題蠻嚴重我請問一下委員好欸 主委你好
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transcript.whisperx[482].text 那個這次2024年總統大選的時候有出現一個屏東縣中正國小146投開票手我們看一下這個畫面這個你應該都有看過那個錄影帶嘛對不對他們就是在懷疑或者是在質疑說這個紙箱啊說他希望你怎麼折你後來一定有個折後面折起來的地方嘛對不對又有加成嘛對不對那他這個是拍到說折成了有一些那個選票掉出來嘛
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transcript.whisperx[483].text 那我們來解決這個問題好不好我們來解決這個問題現在有人都提出來說你紙箱一定有摺痕那你能不能做一個底面是透明壓克力板的這樣是不是能夠解決問題這個選務的相關的設備器具 應用物品有這樣子的問題而引起社會的議論或者甚至於所謂的恐慌
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transcript.whisperx[484].text 我覺得很不值得就對了所以我積極在進行研究怎麼樣能夠去除這樣子的一個疑慮當然委員所建議的這個我們也會列入考慮我們會積極的去研究如何能夠讓老百姓這個投票人他們完全有信心
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transcript.whisperx[485].text 很有可能會這樣做對不對可能的方式可能的方式我們都不排除中選會公正性專業性一定要被肯定這個是你的重責大任對不對我再給你看一下你看這個開票2024年開票的時候雲林東名村你看這個開票綠色的是賴清德的
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transcript.whisperx[486].text 跟這個政黨票右邊這藍色是國民黨的侯友宜左邊這是柯文哲的總統票跟政黨票你們發現落差太大了雲林的東明村新北市的這個井南里賴清德的政黨票跟民進黨的政黨票都很近對不對國民黨侯友宜跟國民黨的政黨票很近可是你看那個那邊柯文哲154票政黨票才開了10票
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transcript.whisperx[487].text 然後景覽里277票 政黨票才開30 我要繼續給你看喔花蓮啊 仁里村 也是這種狀況柯匯澤開202票 政黨票竟然只有一票可是你看賴清德跟侯友宜的 跟政黨票都是一致的右邊這個桃園市的果林里也是這種狀況
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transcript.whisperx[488].text 我們發現如果有異常狀況的話都會要求主任管理員他再要double check一定要做再重新一次的來做確認而且這個確認有三道手續有三道關卡的確認所以作為醫療長這種狀況就是應該在很快的時間內要再清查一次嘛對不對那當然那今天我做個簡單的結論啦你剛剛講的我剛剛講
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transcript.whisperx[489].text 公正性 被信任非常重要這應該是你的重責大任嘛所以剛剛講那個紙箱一定要趕快好好去討論好不好我剛剛講那個底部用壓克力板透明的這是非常多人我們想辦法來克制今天往這個方向來走好 謝謝主委謝謝 拜拜
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transcript.whisperx[490].text 好 謝謝登記發言委員出不在場者外區均已發言完畢 詢答結束委員書巧慧所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報書面質詢和未及答覆部分請相關單位於一周
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transcript.whisperx[491].text 內已書面答覆並複製本會本次會議質詢時間尋例並未減少且能是個別委員的質詢需要容許委員的答詢時間著於原廠 原此本次會議每位委員發言時間列入會議記錄我們現在休息用餐下午一點繼續開會
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transcript.whisperx[492].text 我們現在繼續開會我們現在進行討論事項一處理114年度中央政府總預算案有關海洋委員會預算解凍專題報告專案報告計八案
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transcript.whisperx[493].text 好 請問各位委員是否均同意動之同意
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transcript.whisperx[494].text 好 我再說一次 高經緯我們現在進行討論四項處理114年度中央政府總預算案有關海洋委員會預算凍結專題報告 專案報告計八案請問各位委員是否同意動之同意好那第六案
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transcript.whisperx[495].text 我先講一下不是啦那個高經委員先對不起我要公平好謝謝昭偉昭偉我這邊是第六案大家可能看一下海委會的
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transcript.whisperx[498].text 已經立法通過可是呢還沒有上路我認為呢在這樣的狀況之下一下子編這麼多的沒宣費尤其是四倍以上我覺得很不合理是不是請說明一下謝謝好等一下齁我先處理一下齁那個高俊偉還有其他各位我們總共有八案齁那其他個齁除了高俊偉的第六案齁我們要討論之外那其他個案有沒有意見
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transcript.whisperx[499].text 好 李博友 我就是要講我們從審查的時候其實民進黨團就沒有意見希望可以確實的來執行那如果今天解凍案沒有其他的意見的話我們民進黨團這邊我個人除了剛剛高進委員那個第六案由這個管主委來說明以外對於其他的案件我希望可以儘速解凍 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[501].text 報告張偉 各位委員就是說海委會的媒宣為什麼會大幅成長那是因為過去海委會的媒宣幾乎幾乎是沒有不算是有效的編列舉例來講以海巡署來講海巡他包括說他又要招募人才
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transcript.whisperx[502].text 然後有這麼多他們必須要宣導於海上的治安以及國安相關的業務但是海巡長期以來他們煤宣的費用幾乎趨近於零所以以海巡來講它就會大幅的增加那以海委會而言因為我們的國海院曾經做過民意調查就是全國人民的海洋意識
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transcript.whisperx[503].text 具有海洋意識的顯性度差不多就是20%連說我們的海洋到底替我們製造了多少百分比的氧氣幾乎都很少人知道海洋是我們人類氧氣的50%到70%的來源連這種事情都不知道那我們有很多
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transcript.whisperx[504].text 相關的罰則大家也都不曉得所以會有那種看到海龜想要去摸海龜可是他卻不知道說我一摸可能就要被罰30萬所以過去都非常的低水平線在編列這個梅宣的預算所以才會在今年梅宣的預算會有大幅的成長這是一個背景
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transcript.whisperx[506].text 第三點就是說,即使是過去的低水位或者是今年到目前為止的第一季海委會的煤燻預算非常非常普遍的分散在
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transcript.whisperx[507].text 大量的媒體平台上面它完全沒有集中於任何一家的現象完全沒有所以以上三點最主要的重點跟委員報告包含就是說為什麼預算會大幅的增加以及包含說現有的預算受通山的影響水位已經下降
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transcript.whisperx[508].text 另外就是說 海委會的媒宣完全都是一個多元的均衡性的在運用那他沒有做任何的這個偏差 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[509].text 海巡署及所署有5個海洋保育署有6個
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transcript.whisperx[510].text 国家海洋研究院有一个那你这样子我们从你的本会有十个这个编列的媒宣费来看我看到你们给我的一些说明都是海域安全啊还有海洋知识啊文化啊
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transcript.whisperx[511].text 海洋的認識 保護和永續利用海洋的認識你這十個裡面你大概就已經都是海洋的認識 保護和永續利用你可不可以更明確的告訴我說你現在要推動的這個煤圈總共有22個煤圈那每一個你是要花多少錢 可以嗎
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transcript.whisperx[512].text 妳再提供這樣的資料給我好不好各位委員報告我們每一宣的支出都會上網而且是每一季上網每三個月就會全部每一個戲目全部上網都會報立法院每一個戲目每三個月就報立法院所以它完全是公開的
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transcript.whisperx[513].text 對 可是問題是 對不起 抱歉問題是你上面所講的每一個項目你們都是跟海洋知識 文化都一樣你們為什麼要分這樣子那麼多 到底是什麼原因因為我們總共第一個有本會沒有 你本會十個裡面就都是海洋知識跟文化你再注意看一下
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transcript.whisperx[514].text 我們本會的各單位就完全都涵蓋這些項目譬如說我們有科文它就包含海洋科技海洋文化跟海洋教育那我們有海安它就包含海洋的航安治安
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transcript.whisperx[515].text 能夠整合然後在所謂的你的四大媒體裡面來推廣嗎?一定要這麼樣的細項,然後這麼多個嗎?四大媒體是四大平台,四大媒體包含的就是說第一個平面媒體,第二個電視媒體,對廣播跟網路但是你一千六百零九萬,這個四大媒體你是怎麼分配?
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transcript.whisperx[516].text 沒有固定要分配給誰我們就是依照這一次所通過的決議他有要求我們譬如說你每一次的單一的標案不能超過多少百分比然後每一個平台的總數不能超過多少百分比我們就依照這樣子來進行
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transcript.whisperx[518].text 各位報告其實我們在所有的內閣裡面我們的排名是在後面就是說跟過去比我們成長的比例很高但是以各部會來講我們的業務真的是非常的龐雜但是跟各部會比起來我們的排序還是在很下面
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transcript.whisperx[519].text 主委這樣我就不能夠接受了你的認為就是說別的部會裡面要增滿多的沒宣所以你認為這個海外委員會這個不夠所以你要增加你的話的意思是這樣子而不是針對你們的業務真正的需要然後來去編這個沒宣費如果你們的想像是這樣的話那就更不能夠讓我們接受
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transcript.whisperx[520].text 我們確實是需要那剛剛講的不是因果而是說一個序列上面的一個參考就是說以這樣的一個媒宣的經費規模在整個內閣各部會的序列裡面它沒有服邊的現象然後相較之下符合我們業務的需要跟委員報告
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transcript.whisperx[521].text 明宣的費用在海委會來講一千多萬一年海洋的事務這麼的龐雜有非常非常多的宣導其實我們甚至於都還做得不夠所以這個部分還懇請委員能夠給我們支持張委員這樣好不好我們是不是先保留一下因為我也不要讓大家太多的時間因為我還是認為就是說剛剛主委所說的這個我是
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transcript.whisperx[522].text 比較沒有辦法接受他認為是說其他的部分的沒宣費長期來還有會就是少了他們然後他們必須要增加這樣子的這個說法我就沒有辦法接受因為現在我們是立法委員我們是要遵檢每一個人民的納稅錢
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transcript.whisperx[523].text 然後這也是我們的責任雖然一千多萬在所有的預算裡面是不夠不夠太多但是我覺得我們還是得要讓人民清楚知道好嗎謝謝我同意高軍委員的說法我是不是這樣高軍委員各位委員我本來是想說協商一下
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transcript.whisperx[524].text 這個部分真的很拜託我也能夠支持海洋真的需要我們替它發聲
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transcript.whisperx[525].text 那我可以我同意主席的才是就是說等一下稍微協商一下可能這可以更促進這個我們的了解不過我想在進入協商之前我自己在新北這邊確實我們有非常多的海洋
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transcript.whisperx[526].text 那所以也有非常多的需要協助的不管是海事工程或者是海巡署業務或者是海洋的教育我光是去一個共寮這三方面都可以遇到所以我能夠明白剛剛管主委在說的就是包括說對海洋生態的保育
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transcript.whisperx[527].text 還有跟海洋如何去進行這個互動那甚至是我們海巡署弟兄的招募那我覺得其實在在的在各個方面可以看得出來說我們其實如果越認識海洋
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transcript.whisperx[528].text 願意去接近海洋我們需要的知識其實會更多所以也需要把這些知識、知識傳遞給一般的民眾那這當然是需要說實在的還是需要費用去支持所以我其實覺得一千多萬兩千多萬這其實對整個海委會跟國家跟人民之間的關係這個預算其實是不嫌
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transcript.whisperx[529].text 不多啦,真的是不多,所以我是建議可以支持一下,我希望這段發言可以留記錄一下,謝謝等一下好不好,我們先協商一下,然後要發言我們再發言好不好對啦,我就是要說這個啦,協商給我們這麼快啦,需要的沒需要的拜託一下,賣水農運賣水的錢,這個大家都知道,我相信大家一統都知道啦
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transcript.whisperx[530].text 民進黨這件事情要更認真、更小心
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transcript.whisperx[531].text 我還是必須要講的就是說其實有很多對海洋水池的業務本身就是要推動的他跟梅宣是兩個我也認同剛剛就是對梅宣我也認同大家對海洋水池的業務本身就是在推動這些他跟梅宣是兩個梅宣是梅宣啊梅宣
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transcript.whisperx[532].text 你們的業務包括活動嘛其實在活動當中其實就可以舉辦啊那活動就是包括活動沒有啦 活動要民眾參與你的媒體只有四大四大你沒來看要民眾參與還是需要
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transcript.whisperx[533].text 那其實也對民主社會的知識運用帶來的考慮,來源的背景其實是一個防衛的一個現象
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transcript.whisperx[534].text 我們會去製作專題,在雜誌也好,在電視也好,在很多的地方我們會製作專題
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transcript.whisperx[535].text 昨天獨木舟出來了先聽我講 先聽我講
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transcript.whisperx[536].text 既然是這樣子我是同意那主委你們也同意你們弄一個報告有關阿美族跟達物體海鳥文化的這些東西因為我在你們給我的資料上面我都沒有看到可以嗎好不好我們就說這要做附帶決議還是什麼還是他們就是答應我們
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transcript.whisperx[537].text 像嘉義來講的話他們完全沒有案子提進來那就表示說整個嘉義市這樣一個嘉義市的行政區因為他沒有靠海所以人民跟民間團體都不知道他們可以去做愛海的事情
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transcript.whisperx[538].text 所以我就特別要求要去國島所以我就有要求處長可以作證我就要求他要去國島我同意讓他們過但是至少你要讓我可以清楚知道對於阿美族的海洋文化還有達烏族的這些
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transcript.whisperx[539].text 你們怎麼樣來做媒宣我們會加以沒有害
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transcript.whisperx[540].text 要發言的委員,因為他剛剛有舉手,然後再換高進,那高進委員就提出這個訴求,然後我就採視這樣比較快這樣應該會做不完,是不是到最後時間應該是各組取看各地委會指的相關,不然大家都要罵我們大概會分這樣
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transcript.whisperx[541].text 是 就是傳統知識對在原住民的傳統用海的知識上面我們到底可以發掘出什麼樣的文化元素然後用來作為推廣海洋保育的重要資產這個部分我們來做一個報告這樣好不好好可以 好好 謝謝謝謝委員等一下 誰碰我老媽有被碰嗎時間有多久了很久了
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transcript.whisperx[542].text 好 那我們繼續開會剛剛黃婕委員有舉手她已經講了啊
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transcript.whisperx[543].text 主席 我們已經有跟主委說 跟主委也答應因為我剛才就是說 家理事不禁害但是家理事的必須要了解的總分之下也要去協助家理事雖然有一些
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transcript.whisperx[544].text 價位不一定當地會提出但是當地的百姓也希望更加了解要怎麼去補貨要怎麼去做所以在這個區塊主委也答應說會到協助給自己的百姓更加了解這個海洋生態的問題以上好 那再來請黃婕蕙議員
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transcript.whisperx[545].text 好那我也要表達一下我的支持因為這個海洋相關的這個沒宣費是非常非常重要就例如在我的選區其實就是靠海也包括海友會本身就在我的選區那其實周邊也辦了非常多相關海洋保育的宣傳活動那甚至是海洋國家日也都是在我的選區舉辦那所以我認為這個相關的沒宣費是重中之重因為唯有
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transcript.whisperx[546].text 這樣子的經費能夠辦相關的活動然後讓更多人知道還有包括海巡的招募的經費都在這個裡面所以這個也都是保護海洋以及建構海防安全的一部分所以我希望可以儘速的解凍然後讓這筆經費可以值用 謝謝好 謝謝那我們請高金委員
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transcript.whisperx[547].text 討論事項第二案
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transcript.whisperx[548].text 主委跟我們來討論
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transcript.whisperx[549].text 有特別針對這一部分的媒宣出去那我覺得就很可惜你的活動跟媒宣沒有一起合併在用的時候大家其實這個活動做起來是這效果也沒有那麼好那麼為了要完整正確的宣傳原住民用海的知識和文化我們是不是請海委會跟原民會還有教育部一起合作然後用知識體系來橫向合作宣傳的方案這樣是不是可以
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transcript.whisperx[550].text 我只是要表明說因為我自己有觀察到像海委會有出了很多海洋知識相關的兒童繪本那我覺得其實這是一個不錯的方向
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transcript.whisperx[551].text 那甚至是也有把原住民的相關的剛剛跟高經緯有共同討論的這些我們特別族群比如說阿美、達烏我們跟海之間的關係的不但是有繪本的部分而且現在在獨木舟計畫在園民會這邊有這個獨木舟製作計畫我們也在討論說是不是可以海委會的力量也加下去像昨天就有一艘獨木舟是昨天剛剛出發嘛這是其實是很重大的盛大的一件事情
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transcript.whisperx[552].text 那我是覺得這幾件做得好的我們就方向繼續可以繼續加強那等一下我贊同剛剛高經緯說的這個部分那是看海委會這邊可以怎麼報告告訴我們這筆費用怎麼運用好 請管主委
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transcript.whisperx[553].text 好 謝謝各位委員的指教那有關嘉義市的部分跟委員報告我也是好幾次都希望我們海資處的吳處長要下來跟市政府趕快溝通然後來做輔導看怎麼樣能夠在海洋的部分也能夠來提案然後讓我們有機會在嘉義市也來促進推動海洋意識的發展跟海洋文化的發展
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transcript.whisperx[554].text 那另外謝謝黃監委員一直都很關心那相關的有關於高雄周邊海域相關的活動我們也會好好的把它做有意義的有價值的宣導跟論述這一方面我們會來努力
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transcript.whisperx[555].text 那高金委員所關心還有蘇曉慧委員所關心原住民的用海的傳統智慧其實我是非常的重視所以我們這一次呢才會邀請國外很多的專家學者共同來簽訂我們的一個共同的聲明
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transcript.whisperx[556].text 最主要就是要重揚說原住民的傳統的海洋的知識它對於海洋的永續來講是很重要的資產那以我們無論是達吾或者是阿美族我們其實都有
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transcript.whisperx[557].text 拼板舟竹筏這一些補助的計畫來扶植傳統的技藝傳統的技術在發展那為什麼大家都沒看到就是因為我們梅軒的工作還沒有跟上我們梅軒的工作如果能夠跟上的話這些美好的價值就都可以來彰顯
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transcript.whisperx[558].text 那甚至於是歌謠無論是傳統的歌謠裡面也有很多海洋的意義意識跟價值在裡面那甚至於就是那種航海的智慧都在歌謠裡面那這些我們都會逐步的來做那尤其是衛原剛剛講的那個兒童的繪本我們過去都有陸續在出那這個部分我們今年也希望能夠加強謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[559].text 好 各位委員 尤其是高軍委員 他這樣可以啦我們同意 但是呢 是不是也請他們提出一個方案來好 不然你們同意的話 我來宣告一下 好不好好 那請我們海委會 就你剛剛所說的那個用陳書面資料 然後給我們內政委員會所有的委員尤其是高軍委員 好不好我們這個就列入正式的會議紀錄 好不好
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transcript.whisperx[560].text 我們討論事項一 處理114年度中央政府總預算案有關海洋委員會預算凍結專題報告專案報告計八案請問各位委員是否均同意動之
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transcript.whisperx[561].text 海委會預算處理完畢 請海洋委員會相關人員可以先行離席
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transcript.whisperx[562].text 那我們現在進行討論事項二處理114年度中央政府總預算案有關不當黨產處理委員會預算凍結專案報告記憶案請問各位委員是否同意動之都同意齁 我再問一次齁請問各位委員是否同意動之
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transcript.whisperx[563].text 同意好那我們同意動之提報院會好那我們先那請請不到當場委員會人員可以先行離席那我們現在進行討論事項三處理審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央選舉委員會預算凍結專案報告案計事案
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transcript.whisperx[564].text 請問各位委員是否均同意動之中選會喔 麻煩大家看一下我等大家
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transcript.whisperx[565].text 中選會討論事項第三案 高津委員中選會的第二案裡面這個部分我今天早上有質詢過那麼對於中央選舉委員會稅出預算在第二幕選舉業務編列預算是3014萬1000元
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transcript.whisperx[566].text 以及選舉策進經費的683萬2千元那這個部分呢我有凍結那所以呢剛剛質詢的部分有兩個部分第一個區塊呢就是希望在不在籍投票的這塊部分不在籍投票這塊部分呢事實上我跟鄭天才委員已經提案了已經在這個
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transcript.whisperx[567].text 這個政黨協商了那主委今天也說只要是在立法院三不通過的他們就會來處理那這我沒有意見但是對於原住民秘密投票這一塊我希望呢主委能夠更加的精進然後請他提出一個該怎麼解決原住民的秘密投票的這塊部分尤其就是說我們的族人他每次要去投票的時候
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transcript.whisperx[568].text 那種感覺都非常的不好我們接到非常多的投訴就是人已經到了現場之後呢要問他原住民的選票在哪裡才從抽屜裡面拿出來我覺得原住民族不是話外之明那麼每一張選票都是等同的那我們應該也要被尊重是不是請我們選委會他們是專業的
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transcript.whisperx[569].text 請告訴我們尤其在這次我凍結這筆預算的時候我有非常提出具體的是希望他們能夠來具體解決這個問題可是他的書面報告裡面似乎還沒有告訴我要怎麼解決包括在剛剛的質詢裡面他也沒告訴我要怎麼解決其實我覺得這是技術上的問題是可以解決的所以是不是請主委能夠提出一個解決的方案來那對於這個解凍預算我就沒有意見以上 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[570].text 我先請問除了高津書門委員的他的這個第二案其他個案各位有沒有意見沒有沒有好那我們現在就針對邁委員不是邁委員你是有其他案嗎你有其他案
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transcript.whisperx[571].text 不不不我現在要處理中選會除了高軍委員的第二案之外其他個案有沒有有意見的來麥委員第31案這邊我們是等一下等一下31案30等一下等一下
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transcript.whisperx[572].text 中選會嘛 第二案
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transcript.whisperx[573].text 我講的是這個我們總共只有四個案喔 麥委員第一 1995頁報報這邊是有我看這邊報告就是說那個情形就是我看不懂耶 因為我看到說這個第一進來就是說我們這邊要有
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transcript.whisperx[574].text 解凍的70%的業務費就是但是我看到你後面就寫一個一個業務執行刑事案是不是 第一案這個對啊應該是第一案啦 這是中央選舉委員會函這一本這本三
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transcript.whisperx[575].text 對 但是我怎麼翻過來第一案嗎 算第一案嗎我們是不是因為要解凍嘛 對不對解凍是不是要報告對啊 但是翻過來報告就是執行的情形 報告什麼
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transcript.whisperx[576].text 對啊 看到這邊寫的就是就一頁這樣而已因為看這一本我們今天發的嗎他沒有夾在這個地案的後面他在那所以今天送 現在送過在早上早上早上在這邊的來 拜託你找一找資料
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transcript.whisperx[577].text 我想說怎麼看到這邊翻過來就是只有一頁報告只有一頁就這樣報告裡面這本裡面就是
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transcript.whisperx[579].text 有不同的看法沒有沒有喔我再問一次沒有好那我們現在就處理第一案跟第二案這樣子才好處理不然會亂掉好不好好那我們現在那個蔓圓你的第一案我們是不是先請這個李主委說明一下
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transcript.whisperx[580].text 好 謝謝主席 各位委員我首先就第一案的部分跟麥委員以及各位委員來做個報告那第一案大院所做的這個決議它是鄧結我們的七成這個70%
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transcript.whisperx[581].text 那解凍的條件只有一個就是說我們如果執行到百分之三十的話就可以申請解凍了只有這麼一個條件並沒有其他的報告的條件這一點請麥委員你能夠了解這是第一案的部分
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transcript.whisperx[582].text 那第二案的部分剛剛高經委員非常感謝對於原住民權益尤其是投票權益保障的這個關心我現在可以很清楚的講就是有關於讓我們的原住民朋友他們在投票的時候有被尊重的感覺等一下等一下主委主委等一下好不好我們先處理第一案
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transcript.whisperx[583].text 我們已經將近百分之四十了啦已經符合這個條件了 請委員支持第一案不是我們委員會做出的刪減案是在運營會大家統三的那他的條件就是租了三層之後就可以提解凍他剛講的意思是這樣那不知道麥委員有沒有其他看法
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transcript.whisperx[584].text 我知道我知道因為不管誰提案現在不是因為我們提案我們才問因為我們審查我們就要看說我們收到這些資料是禮拜五才會決定我們今天審這個預算案對不對
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transcript.whisperx[585].text 所以我們要看得很吃力今天這個才所以今天我進來我沒有拿這份資料所以我就不知道說有這份所以我就有疑惑所以說他有這樣子的這份說明也是今天才收到所以說剛才他有說他有說明所以說這個部分的話是沒有問題因為我們先要了解才會要了解互相溝通還達到共識
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transcript.whisperx[586].text 因為我要這樣我才能夠處理不然沒有辦法處理所以第一案沒有意見了好那我們現在那個李主委關於高金委員的第二案你說明一下我想第一個報告就是說我們立即可以做的事情就是有關於這個投票的時候原住民選票他的擺放
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transcript.whisperx[588].text 經我們調查屬實的話 那我們會列入考核是我們專職的人員的話 我們自己考核是地方政府機關借調兼職的 我們會把這種情形來給他服務的機關這是第一個 我們具體的承諾在最近一次的全國性的選舉的時候 我們就會來辦理
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transcript.whisperx[590].text 這幾年以來其實我們在這方面的這個宣導宣傳是做了非常的多在地方尤其我是要求我們地方的選委會都要利用地方的各項活動包括政府的活動包括民間的活動去做我們選務的宣導那包括對原住民的這個宣導在裡面
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transcript.whisperx[591].text 我們的這個宣導的相關選舉的這些文書裡面我們甚至於把它翻譯成16個原住民的語言這個原民會他們都給我們頒獎鼓勵我也是被頒獎過所以我們也努力
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transcript.whisperx[592].text 還不夠而且它不是唯一的一個方法這部分我們繼續做另外比較直接的就是不再急投票那不再急投票就如同委員所講的現在已經進入朝野協商那我們跟法律的主管機關內政部之間也會就這些問題我們充分的溝通意見我們期待朝野對這個問題能夠有所共識
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transcript.whisperx[593].text 那以上是我對高經委員指教的一個說明也請高經委員對本會的這個預算能夠予以支持
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transcript.whisperx[594].text 好 對不起主委 我再請問您一下因為你們對於整個投票的流程動線都非常的清楚嘛我可以請問您 您剛剛說只是要告訴他們說放在手冊裡面就必須要尊重原住民的能不能在每一個投票開鎖你專門在另外一條動線讓原住民去排隊 有沒有這個可能
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transcript.whisperx[595].text 而不是要在一般 因為在一般你說投票完了以後投訴因為投訴我們在裡面根本也不能夠帶手機嘛 對不對然後你根本也沒有辦法拿出證據他沒有真正去落實你手冊上相關的規定
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transcript.whisperx[596].text 所以呢我記得我在上次也跟那個學友會的同事說有沒有可能在因為我們投票都是在學校嘛絕大部分人都在學校或者是這個投票的地方你讓原住民的投票的人你在另外開一個投票的場地就在同樣一個場地裡面開另外一個空間讓我們的族人去那邊投票不是很清楚嗎
transcript.whisperx[597].start 18557.129
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transcript.whisperx[597].text 這個可能會牽涉到的包括場地空間的問題包括工作人員的問題所以今天我不敢跟委員做很明確的一個回答但是這個問題我們回去研究那麼研究的這個結果我們會書面來跟委員做報告
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transcript.whisperx[598].text 好 你能夠研究的話那麼我們就什麼時候解凍好不好拜託可以嗎 周偉不是我是覺得這樣子啊因為對不起對不起 主委我認為這件事情事關重大長期以來我的族人一直不被在投票的行為上不被尊重這也是他們不想要去投票的原因之一所以我們的投票率低它是有非常多的因素加整起來
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transcript.whisperx[599].text 這是其中一個我們在所謂的不再舉投票那是最相關最大的因為原住民的族人你們也同意嘛就是交通啊往返各方面不方便等等會造成他們不願意去投票但是我剛剛講這個不備受尊重的這一塊也的確是因為抱歉我自己的弟弟就在這一次的投票就告訴他我是原住民
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transcript.whisperx[600].text 那麼麻煩一下我的選票在哪裡他就從抽屜裡面拿出來你知道那種感覺煞時就覺得我好像不是中華民國的國民的感覺而這個問題已經存在很久了那主委您剛剛告訴我的是說你希望在手冊裡面他們訓練裡面來解決這個問題可是別忘了已經存在很久我剛剛講的考核是已經投完票了啦
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transcript.whisperx[601].text 對不對 你才可能嘛第二個我們也沒有帶手機不能夠在現場拍嘛他就一定被警察請出去嘛請問我要怎麼樣 真正覺得有沒有有投訴的話 我們都會進行調查
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transcript.whisperx[602].text 主委我覺得這是消極了剛剛我講的就是在一個場地裡面你們大罷免就花了這麼多錢你們能不能夠在合法的選舉上面讓我的族人感到受尊重然後花一點點的錢在這個場地裡面再開一個小場地因為都會區裡面族人投票的人不多嘛
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transcript.whisperx[603].text 你們可以掌握訊息嗎要不就是你在投票的地方就寫得非常的清楚讓我們的族人都清楚知道他要到哪裡去領票而不要到那邊領票又遭受到這樣子被侮辱的感受
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transcript.whisperx[604].text 我跟委員來做個報告就是第一點我們考慮到這個投開票所的空間因為不是每一個投開票所你現在能夠保證說每一個空間都不行嗎你能不能去做你跟內政部去一起討論在都會區裡面
transcript.whisperx[605].start 18727.498
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transcript.whisperx[605].text 原鄉是不會發生這個問題這個只有在都會區你能不能去找出所有用心在都會區投票最多的地區開出一個地方我沒有要求你全部開人數最多的地方來去處理可以嗎
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transcript.whisperx[606].text 我 我有一點可以讓我說一下嗎不會啦 不會 主委主委 我們跟高軍委員協商一下好不好好 是是委員可以嗎 我可以過去跟您再做個報告
transcript.whisperx[607].start 19420.607
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transcript.whisperx[607].text 各位委員跟各位委員報告我們討論事項三處理審查一百一十四年度中央政府總預算案有關中央選舉委員會預算凍結專案報告計事案各位委員我們第一案第三案第四案均同意動之提報院會各位委員有沒有意見你有意見好
transcript.whisperx[608].start 19452.278
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transcript.whisperx[608].text 謝謝大家
transcript.whisperx[609].start 19467.963
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transcript.whisperx[609].text 因為今天剛才才看到我想要請教一下我們的主委關於第15有關新住民參政權這個部分因為我看到這邊我們是之前有提出在第一案就是他的報告裡面說
transcript.whisperx[610].start 19493.103
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transcript.whisperx[610].text 對 但是我是希望說這個部分因為報告裡面我們之前有要求說是不是有其他語言的翻譯讓大家會看知道說這個選舉但是我現在看到這邊的報告專案報告裡面有寫對 但是
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transcript.whisperx[611].text 這邊寫的說我們有開票所的工作人員還有就是先導的措施我們公職人員選舉有11種選舉人數就是說我們在11年就是有2萬人但是說我們希望說個翻譯就更多但是我們這邊看到報告的說
transcript.whisperx[612].start 19536.761
transcript.whisperx[612].end 19553.229
transcript.whisperx[612].text 其实就是自爱难行啊但是又说现在社会上有很多的资讯传达管道希望我们就是透过这个资讯传达管道来去来去了解我觉得这个部分我希望说我们现在
transcript.whisperx[613].start 19554.329
transcript.whisperx[613].end 19556.53
transcript.whisperx[613].text 有那麼多新住民在選舉 我們的各個縣市有沒有說開放讓不同國家的新住民當這個開票所的工作人員還有協助 因為很多人去選舉嘛 但是開票所又沒有
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transcript.whisperx[614].text 請你補議委員
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transcript.whisperx[615].text 我們現在在處理是處理中選會這個一共有四個案那剛剛麥委員講的應該是跟高清委員講的一樣第二案所以134應該是主席建議可以繼續往下走那第二案如果他們還有意見的話就要不要再說明看看那134我看起來大家是有共識 謝謝
transcript.whisperx[616].start 19626.588
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transcript.whisperx[616].text 麥委員 你的案跟那個高軍委員案是同一案啊我們就是要保留了好 所以我請問各位委員 第一、三、四案是否同意動之同意好 那第二案呢 我們另定其處理
transcript.whisperx[617].start 19647.163
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transcript.whisperx[617].text 然後請李處委跟我們選委會這邊有書面的詳細的資料之後你去高軍委員的辦公室跟高軍委員你們再先事先協調一下所以我們再另定其處理可以嗎好 周委還有就是剛剛范玉珍委員提的這個也請他們到范玉珍辦公室去 好嗎好 請你他什麼
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transcript.whisperx[618].text 可以嗎?還是你現在要說
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transcript.whisperx[619].text 好來各位各位委員各位同仁那我們現在進行討論事項也可以啦好那我們處理完畢請中選會選舉委員會的人員可以先行離開
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transcript.whisperx[620].text 好各位委員同仁我們現在進行討論事項是處理114年度中央政府總預算案有關大陸委員會預算凍結中央報告暨案 暨武案請問各位委員是否均同意動之好 都同意動之好那我們均同意動之提報院會
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transcript.whisperx[621].text 好那請處理完畢請大陸委員會人員可以先行離席好各位委員同仁我們現在進行討論事項五處理審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會預算凍結專案報告書面報告案及期案請問各位委員是否均同意動之同意同意同意好
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transcript.whisperx[622].text 那我們均同意動之提報院會好 那本日會議到此結束 現在休息
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transcript.whisperx[623].text 有有有
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transcript.whisperx[624].text 這裏有個大廈。