| IVOD_ID |
166625 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166625 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第23次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
23 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第23次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-24T10:27:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-24T10:34:14+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8b793423fad44d60d614ff8b553121b199d297ff50ba03de91760b03f9a190b70daa424a73b7f4fe5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:27:45 - 10:34:14 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第23次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會報告「退輔會所屬農場經營策略與產品行銷推廣精進作為」，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 請各位先進有請退伏會的副副主委副主委請你好 |
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副主委你好這個我看前幾天你們有一個對話announce說你們要修退府條例第32條對於退役的官兵有傷害國家尊嚴要停止領受退休金有這回事嗎我們有在那個胡桃條例裡面有做修訂什麼時候可以送到立法院審查 |
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上個禮拜行政院院會通過之後應該是送立法院審查所以下個禮拜行政院院會通過院會上週通過好現在上禮拜院會有通過也開過記者會院會通過了對不對也開過記者會所以下禮拜可以送立法院送的時間我不清楚因為這是好那你這樣來講傷害國家尊嚴怎麼定義就是傷害國家尊嚴 |
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跟委員報告我們退伍條例三十二條的規定其實我們是執行單位啦就是說兩岸關係條例裡面有定的相同的所以你針對兩岸針對兩岸那韓國對我們講一個什麼China 台灣有沒有傷害國家尊嚴啊請問你啊 有沒有 |
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要不要扣退休金跟委員報告我們輔導條例第32條第二項原來就有規定就是他只要是依法律喪失了退出給予的你沒有回答我問題啊我是說是什麼叫傷害國家尊嚴啊你要講清楚這個到底是怎麼樣你界定誰來界定 |
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因為我們的法律的規定這個部分我們是依照其他法律鎖定的什麼叫其他法律包括服役條例兩岸條例國安法等等他只要他在依照其他法律所以只針對中國大陸嘛 |
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針對有退休的這些的退伍的這些農民去大陸的一些言行老實講這裡面來講的話這個你包山包海喔這裡面倒說行政權獨大這很嚴重耶 |
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跟委員報告其實我們的條文的規定其實就是綁在其他主管機關的法令例如國安法他違反國安法被剝奪了他的庭訟庭訟之後我們這邊當然就喪失本條例鎖定的權益我們輔導條例只規定的是輔導條例鎖定的權益至於其他的這個他的一些罪責所謂他的退休金全部扣 |
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就對了全部沒收那個是依照其他法律性沒有退休金的話還要被關是不是那是其他法律規定的我們輔導條例只規定的是停止我們榮民的權益啦所以他這個是兩個部分是兩個不一樣的的區塊你們要處理好喔這個東西處理到大家大家很容易觸發喔 |
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你現在來講的話 現在一個極端喔現在一個極端喔 你看海基會的董事長都換人了這兩岸來講是越來越惡化喔說不定你以後去大陸回來就是被停 停 停喔這個傷害國家尊嚴喔 去大陸傷害國家尊嚴喔會不會啊 副主委 那個副主委會不會 |
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我們就是做預告的 讓他不要去觸法啦而不是讓他違法 我們是預告通知讓他不要去來 我們來看今天的題目啊你針對武林農場 清淨農場 福壽山 還有彰化 泰東等等的我看了一下勒 |
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你們基本上都有獲利啦 比如說武林獲利可是105年到109年 過去平均超過兩億咧最近都是7000多萬前進農場逐年下降 111年7000多萬112年4000多萬 福壽山都是逐年下降有賺錢 但逐年下降耶 怎麼辦啦 這個胡主委 |
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我們剛剛都有做很多的檢討我們的產品很多產品很多我們盡量把我們的產品透過不同的平台把它發出去有一個基本的啦基本的條件你們的專業經理人太少啦 |
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你們基本上當然我們是退輔會嘛輔導輔導這個要退休的但是基本上來講你要引進一些多元化啊要引進一些專業經理人嘛才能夠把績效提升你現在看到這幾個今天主席排的這幾個都逐年下降咧 |
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跟委員幫我們農場是自營的一個場域啊其實都有聘有專業的這個經理跟婦理的專業人員你們有沒有考慮過乾脆以後BOT算了委外來經營委外有委外的場域你們有沒有考慮過這幾個農場要委外有沒有績效可能更好啊這幾個都非常好的地方啊對不對現在績效來講竹林下降啊那就是大家吃大鍋飯啊這個樣子啊沒有想過 |
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我們委外有委外的地方啦 像副業也是委外啊委外啦 這個專業經理人要增加啦這個再怎麼樣 雖然是照顧農民但是對於這些農民其實可以給他訓練嘛去外面上課啊 增加經營管理的人力啊這個都有幫助嘛 對不對否則的話 你只是說我要照顧 可是事實上 不要忘了 |
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公司 企業就是企業 企業就是盈利為目的啦要賺錢啦 你不要看了一副你像那個歐欣啊 榮光啊 現在都已經清算了嘛對不對 這都很清楚 清楚來看你們你們還是要有一套的機制啦 好不好 還有特別是董監方面 高層方面不一定只有軍方嘛 這個東西讓人家感覺可以引進一些外部人士嘛 你同意嗎 |
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謝謝賴思寶委員 各位請回 |