| IVOD_ID |
166618 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166618 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-26,19,15-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境、經濟、內政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[2] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[2] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境、經濟、內政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-24T10:00:24+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-24T10:12:52+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8b793423fad44d60a7fe8508384747ce8f4e93bf07b6087f91760b03f9a190b7f142c201840b90755ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張嘉郡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:00:24 - 10:12:52 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境、經濟、內政委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查
一、委員陳冠廷等20人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
二、委員許宇甄等22人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
三、委員張嘉郡等20人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
四、委員王美惠等17人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
五、委員蔡易餘等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
六、委員劉建國等16人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
七、委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第三條條文修正草案」案。
八、委員盧縣一等20人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第三條條文修正草案」案。
九、委員徐欣瑩等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十、委員邱志偉等20人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十一、委員蔡其昌等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十二、委員呂玉玲等17人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十三、委員馬文君等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十四、委員徐富癸等17人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十五、委員游顥等26人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
十六、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條、第三條及第四條條文修正草案」案。
十七、委員邱鎮軍等17人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案。
十八、委員陳超明等16人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案。
十九、委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十、委員何欣純等16人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十一、委員郭國文等16人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十二、委員陳瑩等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第三條條文修正草案」案。
二十三、委員陳秀寳等23人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十四、委員邱若華等16人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第三條條文修正草案」案。
二十五、委員陳俊宇等35人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第四條條文修正草案」案。
二十六、委員林俊憲等18人擬具「老年農民福利津貼暫行條例第二條及第四條條文修正草案」案...等39案
(因系統字數上限，詳見議事日程)。
【第三十八案，如經院會復議，則不予審查；第三十九案，如未經院會交付本聯席會審查或未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查】
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主席我想請陳部長部長早那我想呢老農今天不是今天才今天才提出來的問題那我們也希望說在今天能夠充分的討論解決這個長期以來的心頭之痛那在去年3月本席就已經 |
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提出修法是本屆第一位提出調高老農津貼金額至一萬兩千元的立法委員那現在呢跨黨派的委員包括民進黨包括民眾黨跟國民黨都已經逐漸形成一個共識那現在只剩下一個問題農業部目前的願不願意跟上 |
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我第一個部分我剛才在報告已經講得很清楚的不管是額度或是排付條款的放寬我們都支持委員的方向那至於說額度要達到多高那可能經過討論以後然後看看我們的經費的一個財政的一個情況那原則上我們希望提高但是也不可能提的太高因為提的太高那其實 太高是多少 |
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你心裡面的太高是多少 我告訴你一萬二一萬五我覺得都太高了啦希望部長可以如您所說支持完善老農津貼的權益不要阻擋也不要跟農民作對那我想要請教您一個很簡單的問題你剛才說一萬二或一萬五太高了我想要知道說以現在的物價成本生活成本來看 |
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您覺得每個月8,110元足夠維持老農的最基本的生活是開銷嗎沒有 我跟委員報告因為從事農業並沒有退休制度他在65歲甚至於我們也發現非常你現在是在鼓勵大家不要從事農業嗎不是不是 我現在是跟你講說現在從事農業的他沒有一個說像一般勞工65歲就退休所以65歲以上 |
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你的意思是說他可以做到老做到死就是他能做就盡量還是上田去做是這個意思嗎我們今天不要自上談兵我覺得你錯誤的解讀 我跟委員報告你錯誤的解讀喔你的心態喔 你的心態這樣一講我就知道了那我現在在這裡算給你聽喔8100元我不曉得你有沒有注意家中的生活開銷你覺得一個月的水 電 |
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要不要1000塊假設1000塊好了我們就先抽掉一張然後農村現在大部分是用瓦斯用瓦斯一個月他要燒水煮飯洗澡全部都要用瓦斯20斤一桶的大概是700多那再抽一張你那個是假鈔是不是假鈔啦 |
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那假操都可以隨便傻玩具操玩具操然後呢手機網路要不要錢他雖然也許不會上網但他一定要繳手機錢嘛然後再加個第四台差不多網路最便宜要400手機要400吧第四台在五六百差不多還要再1000塊 |
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就水電 瓦斯 網路 第四財這些雜誌就已經扣掉差不多兩千七三千了所以抽掉三張 那接下來你知道農民平常長期彎腰風吹日曬雨淋 搬重是他的常態所以慢性病 職業傷害是他的生活常態 不是例外所以掛號費 藥費 護具一個月 |
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省省的話我們有健保 我們有農營職業災害保險都可以去支應他們的一些負擔1000塊再來交通費 機車 油費然後機車換車油 維修然後強制險等等包括搭乘大眾運輸工具你覺得再抽掉1000塊合理嗎如果他要加油啊 好不好我們就抽1000塊 |
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那這樣子已經算非常節省囉 本席都還沒有算上他的紅白帖 算上他的勞污修善 算上他的電器淘汰 或者有康復的費用等等的生活雜資 這樣存多少 存三千一百塊那3100元 你一個月換算下去 假設用30天下去算 |
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一天吃飯真是多少平均每餐一天假設吃三餐好了平均每餐只剩下不到34塊不到35元那我不曉得部長你今天吃早餐吃什麼你有吃早餐我沒有吃你沒有吃好吧那你先省起來那我想要請問部長那你知道現在一顆饅頭一顆饅頭要多少錢嗎 |
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一個饅頭看什麼樣的饅頭是全麥饅頭還是一般白饅頭大概15塊差不多15塊那所以假設34塊5買了一顆饅頭15塊剩下就是要買菜脯要買鹹蛋配饅頭你知道嗎你知道這就是我們現在老農的生活水平我很難過的告訴你說 |
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我們現在每天得以溫飽就是這些老農民每天努力生產給我們得以溫飽能夠吃的好吃的營養結果這些提供我們食物的老農民反而不得溫飽請何以堪啊 |
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請何以堪 我真的學得非常的難過每天能夠提供我們豐衣足食這些好的食物來源的老年農民反而不得溫飽 |
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你覺得這合理嗎我跟委員報告相對的所有的農民的福利制度就是在照顧最重要是照顧我們年紀長老的農民但是從數據來看65歲以上還在持續從事農業的人口有將近30萬人所以你現在在意思說他不需要提高是嗎 |
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我有說他要適度的提高你現在一直在說明的意思是說老農過著非常好的生活我沒有這樣說是你說的喔你把老農當作一個悲情的工具在操作喔你把老農當作一個非常悲情的工具在操作喔我知道假設 |
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433.403 |
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448.647 |
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老龍絕對沒有操作老龍絕對不是一個悲劇的操作人我沒有要操作我只是覺得他們應有的權益你應該要支持你不應該拿任何的 excuse來告訴大家說好像他過得非常好的生活一個月發十萬塊那是不是很好 |
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452.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
465.471 |
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我現在是在跟你說average我現在不是在跟你講情緒性的事情你不要上頭啦你不要情緒上頭好不好你支持 我需要你支持好 講的這一句話我接受這一句話我接受我再問你一個問題我就問你一個問題嘛 |
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468.434 |
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486.792 |
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你現在是怎樣 你現在是情緒上頭 你要一個月發十萬我想我們也很高興啊川普也說他一個月 他也要每個那個國民發十萬啊所以我現在就要跟你講金額我問你 現在每個月的平均支出是多少 你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
488.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
505.985 |
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你講什麼平均支出是什麼就是每個人平均支出啊不同的地區都不一樣啊好那以雲林縣為例主計處統計假設是去年好了前年2023年平均支出是多少你知道嗎我不知道 |
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509.603 |
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517.628 |
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2356元然後2011年我相信你更不會知道了2011年的average是多少13696元你知道從2011年到2023年 |
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524.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
539.156 |
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增加了幾倍嗎1.48倍1.48倍我告訴你你不能把老農看作什麼政治操弄的工具那是你心中所想我告訴你我們現在就拿數據我們每次就拿數據講你都把老農當作一個政治操作的工具 |
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543.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
548.681 |
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你這樣子是污衊 你這樣子是污衊我告訴你 你在現場隨便污衊這是對嗎老農是一個有尊嚴的我也希望幫他們爭取尊嚴啊但是你講的 你講的是有尊嚴嗎你講的是有尊嚴 我現在拿數據問你嘛我現在拿數據問你 你認為跟2011年相比現在的物價是不是有比較高我們物價每年的CPI都有在統計 |
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571.536 |
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585.302 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
是 那所以是不是比較高對啊 有高啊所以我們過去老農基金在4年CPI調整一次4年你覺得 來得及嗎但是我們覺得那個基數太低來得及嗎所以我也同意說同意基數太低基數過低每一次就只調整一點點根本追不上快速上升的物價跟生活成本嘛我覺得你的心態真的讓我很質疑說怎麼會 你是農業反對部部長吧怎麼會要照顧農民的我們提案 |
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我們提案你就覺得說我們在操縱什麼悲情沒有我說你剛才的發言不是提案我們的提案是針對現在的物價指數來說我覺得你這樣子污蔑我是非常的不應該你站在這個質詢台上你沒有為老農著想我已經覺得你不應該了所以我現在問你我現在在問你所以你覺得一萬二是太高嗎 |
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630.026 |
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653.76 |
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我說這個東西要看財政負擔好那我再問你那排富呢排富他明明沒有多賺錢他也明明沒有多房子他就是我告訴你並不是所有的老農都是靠8110塊的生活我先問你嘛我先問你支不支持排富嘛你支不支持排富我也支持適當的排富啊我都支持啊那所以你支持的內容是怎麼樣你覺得說 |
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656.201 |
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| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
排富是多少才合理呢我支持第一個我支持額度適度的提高第二個排富我支持所得適當的提高要根據CPI去提高過去都沒有第三個自住房財產的部分我也覺得應該根據土地公告限值去提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
675.186 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
684.252 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
很單純 我都支持好 非常好我想今天有非常多個版本排富的版本其實大家都大同小異但是大家都是支持排富那我也很高興聽到部長說你願意支持排富因為其實剛才我看林岳勤委員他在講他也在呼籲說年輕人 你要呼籲年輕人從事農業你如果沒有告訴他說這個農業是有可能讓他有一個好的遠景的怎麼會有人願意呢 |
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708.007 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
農作的意願就會降低啊所以我在這裡呼籲部長您身為掌管農業機關最高的首長應該要理解老農制度的調整跟是攸關整個農業人力世代交替跟產業永續的必要修法那我也在這裡提醒部長 |
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726.071 |
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734.593 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
農為國本這個基本價值是跨黨派委員都支持的基本社會照顧農民一生看天吃飯擔起台灣的糧食安全這就是本次修法最核心也最單純的目標請你在這裡要擺正你的想法 謝謝我的想法非常正我還是支持所有的委員的一個提案 |