| IVOD_ID |
16661 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16661 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2025050701 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-08T14:30:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-08T16:49:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:18:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2025-05-08T15:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院黨團協商（事由：一、研商「司法院人事同意權」案。二、研商各黨團推派代表組成「經費稽核委員會」相關事宜。三、研商各黨團推舉原住民族代表及社會公正人士組成「財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會第6屆董事、監察人審查委員會」相關事宜。四、研商「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案」相關事宜。五、研商「核子反應器設施管制法第六條條文修正草案」案。(國民黨黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團提議)六、研商「中華民國刑法部分條文修正草案」案。(台灣民眾黨黨團提議)七、研商委員吳宗憲等擬具公投提案主文「您是否同意『各級法院合議庭法官判處死刑不須一致決』之政策？」案。(國民黨黨團提議)八、研商委員許宇甄等擬具公投提案主文「……你是否同意政府應避免戰爭，不讓台灣變成實施軍事戒嚴、青年喪命且家園被毀的烏克蘭？」案。(國民黨黨團提議)九、研商「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。(國民黨黨團提議)十、研商「公職人員選舉罷免法第五十七條條文修正草案」等案。(國民黨黨團提議)） |
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麻煩議事處通知一下台灣民眾黨團 |
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好,謝謝,謝謝黃總統,請坐,請坐好,我要暫停,好,謝謝好,各位黨團幹部,大家午安,大家好我們請醫師人先,對,謝謝各位新聞界好朋友,我們先來開會,謝謝 |
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現在我們黨編都已經到了我們今天特別跟黨團幹部來致謝同時報告今天我們研商的題目非常非常的多我們目前有十個案子要協商第一題是司法院大法官人事同意權案 |
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第二題是經費集合委員會代表推派第三題是推舉原住民族代表及社會公正人士組成原住民族文化事業基金會董事監察人審查委員會第四題是前瞻第五期特別預算案的收案事宜第五題是核子反應器設施管制法修正草案第六題是刑法修正草案 |
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第七題和第八題是國民黨團的反廢死和反戒嚴公投提案第九題是紀念日及節日實施條例草案第十題是公職人員選舉罷免法的修正草案這個以下就請各黨團針對第一題司法院大法官同意權實成的部分來表達各位寶貴的意見 |
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好,柯總召發言,大家安全帶要記好來,強勢回歸,這個戶籍事事第一我要請教院長,今天這個查爾協當通知 |
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是民進黨所吵贏的,或是國民黨民進黨所發言要求協商先釐清這個問題好不好 |
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特別跟柯總統報告,這個是在我們整個辦公室整個就研究過,也跟民進黨團隊研究過民進黨黨團是昨天晚上才遞過來的,要寫上的題目所以我們這邊十個題目已經非常滿了那民進黨黨團所提出來的,我很樂意下一次寫上來排沒有沒有沒有,我還沒談到那個問題,你就把它交到那個問題去因為你談到,你不必先注射吧你聽我講嘛 |
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這黨要公平嘛意思是我們家庭務都是你自己草擬的你國民黨都好像無藥無菌的樣子他也沒有話請你來協商那院長當然你是依據什麼法依據什麼法應該執行新司法對不對 |
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在我手上都是各黨團來的文,都是我根據台灣民眾黨團、國民黨團以及民黨黨團所派來送來的正式來行文來的都在我手上,這一點請柯總統放心,包括你們所行文來,因為昨天晚上才到,昨天很晚才到,我想下一次才來排我還有意見 |
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那個各黨團在喊我們決議的文就是下次再協商下次協商這有一點待遇上不平等了你剛才首長弄了半天上次那張文說各黨的文是哪一天什麼時候哪一天國民黨民主黨行為要求你協商哪一個法案你應該這個事情要透明吧 |
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那我們是沒有錯,我們昨天下班前不是晚上晚上怎麼發文給你我們又不是像你們能夠晚上七點半可以開會的所以韓議員我請問我請教你就是說 |
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但既然當院長已經將近一年了一年了講話應該以精準大家都明白了嘛也不能不好這樣用混的黃岩思就說 |
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到底共產黨要跟個別或聯合有沒有發言言語說要協商哪一個協商哪一個法案先談這個議題就行了共產黨有新聞嗎 |
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郭董召好像胡耀武警察在那邊聊天啊那洪董召趴在那裡寫字,我不知道到底是怎麼回事什麼的蔡衛生印記一萬執行信有七條嘛結果郭董還認為 |
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2207 |
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由議事長糾紛的時候,你請院長來協商,或者院長也可以主動召集協商,這是可以的。另外支援薪酬要六十八條,是這樣子可以。這是一個很重要的砲的。 |
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你說你覺得有問題,你怎麼要求,這就造成衝突啦或是說我們要釐清嘛,到底國民黨有沒有曾經在這段時間,話也給你要求協商有關於不管是,或是玩意氣,或是減章,乃至於反廢食反戒營等等或是這個戒日及戒日實施條例 |
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柯文昭這邊國民黨團發的文就在我手上好不好 每個都有發文來但是你需要我引一份給你嗎好 那我們引一份給民進黨團因為已經排了10個案所以說昨天民進黨在下班之前所送過來的案已經非常多我們完全討論不完我們想下一次再來排柯文昭有沒有意見 |
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我們在剛才你一開始說昨天晚上發文,我說沒有,我們是下班以前發文,你現在又改口了院長,大家都是台行人,說話不要這樣,變成倒式的你要很客觀、忠義來主持每一個A會,所以你講話要很精準我是非常尊敬你的,好不好你當然啦 |
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我解釋給同事解釋比較好為什麼可以你做上面我們做下面當然受寵弱菌吧是受菌弱寵不是受寵弱菌謝謝柯總召你議事都到了我跟您報告了我還沒講完下次我們一定會排沒有我反對這是從中進去因為今天不可能四個案都走得完先把方面再講我們排第十一個案也無所謂 |
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如果同意的話,民進黨團在下班之前第3個案,今天就有10個案額外再加沒有意見,我們就往後加當然不是他們同意,要求誰還要誰同意我沒有開會通知那昨天有發通知啊可以加,你再加在我們後面嘛不然我們在黑夜叫啦 |
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希望現在正是日益在...你以為要亂說話日益不好啦 大家說話叫天龍才好來 總理事長我們現場黨團同意我們就加嘛大家黨團也沒有寶貴的意見這還有什麼寶貴的意見我請問過去你現在...開會通知上沒有...你有來職業審查我拜託請周恩來民事長你解釋清楚好不好 |
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主席我們也不知道是哪三條主席我們也不知道是哪三條主席我們也不知道是哪三條主席我們也不知道是哪三條主席我們也不知道是哪三條主席我們也不知道是哪三條主席我們也不知道是哪三條主席我們也不知道是哪三條 |
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教育長請你講一下我覺得在這邊開會喔還是基本上面的規矩文明的秩序要顧到你看過嗎?記得 |
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那個是不是可以請柯建民總召把他麥克風切掉我問他這一個不行嗎?我現在在發言他不斷的在插嘴為什麼不斷的在插嘴?是不是可以請主席制止你可以講我聽你講但是你不要老是在講都講這一套嘛 |
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你先把麥克風壓掉要不然是我的事情後面再徵求發言就好了麥克風我不講話可以啊你把麥克風切掉嘛難道你的麥克風可以做成這種質嗎我把它壓下來好不好你可以管他這個事情啦 |
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黃忠祐如何?黃忠祐如何?好久沒有超越協商了,難得這一次你把麥克風切掉,尊重一下副總裁,好不好?你這樣講我可以接受好,謝謝柯總召,黃總召請發言,對不起那個謝謝主席,還是維持基本上面的規則 |
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第一個事情是說有黨團希望增加今天協商的事項因為我們今天所收到的開會通知只有開會通知上面所定的十項所以黨團如果希望增加三項的話在徵詢其他黨團的意見之前是不是可以把他們希望增加的請求的通知因為最起碼是其他黨團基本的尊重 |
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今天開會要討論協商的事項那到底要增加什麼希望我們表達意見以前是不是也讓我們應該最起碼能夠知道這個是蠻基本的啦那第二個事情是說剛剛柯建民總召一直對院長有所指教說你講話要精準 |
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可是我聽柯建銘總召在講話的時候老實講我就聽不太懂因為他剛剛一直在援引立法院職權刑事法第58條的規定請問立法院職權刑事法第58條的規定跟我們現在在討論的事項到底有什麼關係我完全聽不懂以上說明 謝謝 |
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謝謝主席喔當然 |
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剛剛我尊重主席的才是啦就如同我們是經過要求才能夠看到現在也還沒發下來您所說的國民黨團或民眾黨團事前針對今天的議案有事先發函給您所以您今天列的議案是依據 |
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兩個黨團所提供的第一個我們也沒有看到啊所以說任何一個黨團大家應當是公平的議長在主持排案也應當是公正的不應當選擇性也不應當有優先順序 |
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那當然我們昨天下班前送出來的是在您的開費通知之後所以說要我們基本上是認為今天我們原本期待說反正已經十案了嘛那十一十二十三列在後面我們就照順序排嘛這個是沒有問題只是今天來到現場並沒有列案但我們要求的是一個公平跟合理如果剛剛的主席的才是說只要民進黨團發函要求列的議案 |
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要各黨黨團同意的話才能夠列案的話那我想請問現在已經列了十個案事情有徵詢民進黨團同意列案順序是這樣排嗎並沒有啊所以說這是一個合理公平的事情所以我們是希望大家不傷和氣民進黨團所發函的那排到後面至少你排上來 |
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希望大家就同意這件事情否則我真的要大大argue為什麼我們排案的議程要被看過要經過國民黨民眾黨同意才能夠放上議程然後他們提的案子我們事前完全不知道順序為什麼這樣排這就是一種不平等的待遇這就是一種不公正不中立這就是一種 抱歉 |
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對他們比較好啊 對我們永遠是這樣為難啊所以是希望說 我尊重主席的才智 印發資訊 大家都資訊 平等公平平等的公開透明 那事前國民黨民眾黨團發函我們也沒有看到 也沒有讓我們資訊分享所以請主席在主持上 我再次希望好久沒有的草野協商一定要做到議事的公正跟公平 謝謝 |
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那吳世堯幹事長我特別報告一下,你講的都非常有道理可是我們絕對沒有大小言,我絕對沒有大小言那今天這個牌是因為什麼要遵循國民黨跟台灣民眾黨團是因為他們已經先接到了開會通知然後在昨天下班之前,民進黨才把你們要求寫上的議案才送來所以現場我一定要遵循他們兩個黨團的意見你講的都非常有道理,可是這是有個時間差 |
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如果你是在前天或大前天送來的話,我們當然一定要排進去嘛那他們接到開會通知就完全不一樣,就會有13個案子那我想特別要跟吳士堯幹事長來補充報告一下,好請柯總召請院長,今天我想你來當院長已經一年多了,超過一年了你所主持的院會來自於超越協商,其實從來不照意識規則來我很不客氣的講 |
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這麼一年多來民進黨所提的要求草席人他從來不立案 |
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我等到今天還很慎重的跟你們再抗議一次我們昨天下班以前我們是送完的我很清楚因為我昨天我叫我們黨團送完的並不會不可能在下班以後但是即便下班以後還是一樣因為今天的朝陽是今天下午三點 |
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所以有各黨團發函要求曹學章我在立法院這麼久30年來從來沒有院長說不排的如獨碰到韓院長這麼多一年多來我們一直很可惜的就是說你一直忘記立法院的組織法寫很清楚第三條是寫很清楚的院長要義士忠義的 |
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但是因為你從來不意思中立,不管是在朝廷,乃至於整個議會的表決上面,你都不理民主黨的意見,你就聽旁邊那兩個。 |
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周恩來以及這個藝術處長高百強的意見悶得頭很幹而且呢發明了一種前所未有的連建議時期講JSF可以用的所謂的點名表決這在在顯示整個立法院事實上立法院可以廢掉了因為完全不知道藝術規則來而且可以晚上七點半晚上七點半跑來開會 |
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開會時間大概晚上六點,你可以七點半考慮開會以後就乾脆要晚上七點半開會,你叫國民黨、中央黨部去開會就好啦院長,這些都是事實,全國老百姓都看在眼裡面你這樣的一種作為,乃至於國民黨和民眾黨完全質疑的範圍以為他們國會多數都可以亂幹通,應該要大罷免 |
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你的大發明因為這樣你提供提供老百姓的憤怒讓老百姓非常憤怒提供大發明的養分今天所有會我們今天可以看到今天5月8號包括我們這邊的王維以及這三個山長全部被提了就成案了所以院長這個是是個禁忌啊我要跟你說你最近就 |
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你今天當選上院長的時候我們兩個人在一場後面的院長室我就跟你講過我還...我還院長你剛選上我們都同期進來立法院的大家要看你笑話但是你應該做給人家看你說你會的可是你從那一刻開始都沒有這樣做啊就沒有心要把整個立法院院長幹好啊 |
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因為院長很清楚,立法院組織法第3條很清楚院長就是意識中立以及退出政黨不能有黨職,你是沒有黨職沒有錯但是你從來沒有做到要意識中立搞成這麼一年多來整個立法院是給國民看笑話 |
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那人民的憤怒已經達到一個極限點所以當我一直講大發明的時候大成功我感覺很端端的這是為什麼會這樣呢其實就是你們自己惹禍來的 |
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所以到現在已經各黨都提了,我相信只剩下三四個沒有被提而已在這種情況底下,大家是不是好好來思考一下整個立法院何起何從,這比較重要 |
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當然我講的這個都和現在有關係那所以剛才黃莊委員講說我們提出來你要請求各黨同意吳少偉也講很清楚啊 |
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我一開始就問你,到底國民黨什麼時候提案你國民黨什麼時候提案,也讓我們知道一下吧它還是你自己主動列的案子,那怎麼弄清楚我們提案本來就是要列入即便我現在當場提,也可以列入臨時動議來處理 |
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這意識規則何其清楚啊這麼多年來我想副總召以及黃總召過去也當過立委也了解整個立法院的意思運作啊當場提也可以黃總召也曾經第一天來就當場提了當場提案所以我今天要講的就是說意識規則是適用在首爾開會民間團也罷政治團也罷 |
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立委也把在明天團體開會員大會,乃至禮監事會,也是要有一個議事會的存在所以議事會的講究是什麼?就是公平、平等、公開、透明的因則所以我希望就是說,法院長我剛才講說立委執行審查是六十八條不是八條,六十八條是你最有力量的時候因為整個國會無法在一九九九年的時候修構 |
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院長我們進來的時候,1993年進來的時候,到1999年國會不法以前,立法院的所有開會和民進團體開會都是一樣,用民進出入,用一般的議事規則來處理。 |
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但是呢,造成了整個立法院癱瘓所以才有劉孫當院長的時候很積極處理國會無法立法院組織法、各人組織法以及這些刑事法、刑事規則還是立法院行為法,這是所謂國會無法才有的法治局、國會圖書館、一尊中心這樣的成立,當這樣成立的時候是要人好好去弄 |
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但是我們現在,我很坦白的講,最重要的議事規則當然是議事處處長幹嘛坐在那裡還有我們所謂的什麼周恩來秘書長,什麼侯志廉本席從來不相信什麼侯志廉你自己寫書,就不照你自己的書去進行了 |
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我也很坦白的講,人這麼一人都來,所以在4月8日的時候,4月9日禮拜二在這裏朝夕,當天4月8日在這裏坐這個位置,那天早上我已經委託律師去台北電話房提告,告警示。 |
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也就是說,我相信這位秘書長以及我一職高處長,都有接受到我提告的禮告,告訴我,違反公務員服務法,行政不中立,造成整個立法院大亂。 |
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照你整個國會亂想假如中部議事長你能夠秉持和你書寫的一樣的運作原則假如我們的議事處處長能夠照議事規則來的話我相信今天國會不是現在的國會因為韓院長我們都90年進來了 |
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能夠和你的同事,又看到你作為院長,當然已有榮焉。那已有榮焉之餘馬上就很失望,怎麼院長是這樣幹話呢?是不是?院長我不是在說你,我講一個很坦白的話,因為經過一年了,現在因為大八美時代來臨的時候,大家都應該冷靜,好好來思考。 |
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另外左邊右邊的高電數美委員,我們都是老立委我想高委員也很清楚,國際立委不是這樣的不管游說文院長的時期,乃至於王恩基民院長或是游說文院院長大家基本上都有遵守一定的游說規則沒有游說規則,你絕對請加800人 |
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藍白過半就可以肢毅妄為這天哪沒救得了你啊天哪沒這種事情啊比前途你也不是特別大市長我知道中原總是逆惡的我知道你要謝謝我 但是我還是開始才要進入主席控制一下時間 謝謝柯總長我們還有十個題目要討論你這個十個題目嗎可能要三個了我來講 我只要求你 |
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照議事規則來就好了沒有什麼時刻題目議事幹掉了謝謝不必謝謝我現在講回到這個主題上面去既然民進黨在昨天下班以前已經行為給你當然你今天就要主動立案了 |
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這第一次,我第一次也是最後一次,我最後一次再講一次民運黨從來在一年以來,我們提的要求超越行動案子,從來不立案我們昨天只有送一個案子,為什麼突然變成三個案子,是不是以前的 |
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前一陣子你看到還有兩個案子再往前看的話你會發現更多是有一二十個案子所以這三個案子原來我是當時很悶啦從下半年前我們只送一個案子 |
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沒有所謂三個案子,當然你買一雙有什麼service但是不需要這種施捨,我們需要的是遊戲規則的透明而已可是今天要講的就是說,一環之音新聞六十八條是你最重要的武器 |
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你可以主動要求就一直就主動出來協商但是呢請看黃昌維我剛才講的是68條講有時候講68條有時候講68口誤好謝謝就是說讓各黨人要求協商的時候 |
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院長沒有迴避的潛力,也沒有忽略的潛力,也沒有不處理的潛力但是為什麼這三中來只有你一個人會這樣搞所以我還是要求第一個,沒有所謂說他們同意我們才可以立案這句話請你說回 |
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這個選項怎麼走下去?那打碎函,讓民進黨黨團比較碎函,比較矮化嘛我們不可能自由矮化的只有五黨籍只有三個人,他一個人來這裡,你也要尊重他這是一個非常透明的,透明的遊戲規則好,謝謝所以,院長,郭文貴考慮不耐煩,我現在是很認真,就您和我講 |
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到底我們民進黨黨團提案是否要求藍白同意 |
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第二個,我們昨天下班以前送案,你今天就要列案嗎?好,謝謝,我要回答。好,謝謝自己要回答。第三,即便今天有,不管哪一黨有臨時提案的話,也可以用臨時動議提出來。 |
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這黃國昌第一天就搞過這個事情了所以院長我們都很尊重所有遊戲規則但是我希望你能夠精確回答我今天的協商不知道要怎麼協商這永遠不對的協商我能在這裡告訴你一次我是一席立委所以一席立委都一樣都不可以忽視 |
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特別跟柯總召各位黨的報告還有各位關心立法院發展的全國所有的好朋友的報告做立法院長一年三個月來只要坐在這個會議桌上或是在院會我一定秉持議事客觀中立 |
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也許做的不是盡善盡美但是我跟周秘書長以及我們的團隊都是往這個方向一定盡量要做到公正要中立要不加入自己的價值判斷完全遵照意識規則這是第一個要報告的第二個呢周秘書長跟高處長所有的 |
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所有的立法院所有這些工作夥伴們我要負最高最終的責任有什麼事情找我就好不要讓這些公務人員一輩子是個循規蹈矩本本分分在進行工作的時候柯總召提出的法律訴訟案我覺得這對他們非常不公平第三有關協商的立案 |
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本席原則上是依據各黨團所有來函我們一定會把它列進去那如果有協商的必要我會斟酌來跟大家溝通那這一點呢在王金平院長時候就是如此處理我們沒有理由也沒有資格取消任何黨團所提的案子第四昨天這個的確是有個時間差 |
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在已經發出開會通知之後才接到民進黨黨團這個要求針對案子的所以我們要尊重國民黨團跟民進黨團因為他們接到的開會通知沒有這個案子我必須一定要證明他們請能夠理解最後一點針對立法院這一年多是不是有胡搞亂搞啊我們請了全台灣最會開會的周萬蘭秘書長擔任委員秘書長我們都是希望立法院能夠遵守議事規則好好的走下去柯總召對我的指教呢有些地方我不敢苟同 |
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就好像一個人生病了自己不吃藥叫別人去吃藥那你每次把草野協商跟樂會鬧成這個樣子然後把責任歸到我身上來這公平嗎那關於這個協商剛才民進黨團團所提的然後呢請大家參考一下要不要列入國民黨團民眾黨團如果要列入那我們就把列入大家同意我要尊重一下國民黨團跟民眾黨團也尊敬民進黨團休息 |
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主席我想要再做一下釐清跟說明因為剛剛院長一直說民進黨團要求納入今天議程 |
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是在昨天我們送出的時間收文的時間是5點半5點33分那在下班時間前送到所以您的說法是因為已經事前發出了今天的開會通知而且已經表定有10個議程所以就沒有把它放入您剛的說法是這樣我也沒有曲解但事實上如果以過去的經驗 |
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我就以同樣是韓院長這裡發出來的院長辦公室的協商通知在民國113年11月11號當天呢您開出的協商通知有四案當天是要協商NCC的這個組織法第16條 |
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考試院人事同意權然後中央政府總預算的追加預算還有民眾黨所提的這個國發基金不當管理失職調查委員會的成立與否一開始您送出來的開會通知是四個議案但是呢事後隔天就要召開協商了那隔天您在 |
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當下因為有收到其他的黨團要求增列所以您也在開會前的前一天把四個議案再增列了兩個議案然後當天就在我剛剛說的原始的四項議案之後又增加了選罷法國民黨所提議的選罷法非常沒收人民權利的選罷法 |
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還有呢同次也納入了民進黨團另外一個開會的要求針對財政委員會第六次會議的議事程序的爭議如果我沒有記錯是財化法所以說過去發生的經驗 |
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事後在你已經發出開會通知列定協商主題之後因應各黨團又有在補題目確實為什麼各黨團要補題目就是我們看到你的協商通知怎麼沒有民進黨的主張呢所以我們循程序發函所以過去的經驗就發生過協商的前一天您也即刻的增補了其他黨團 |
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的要求增加協商主題過去就發生過就是這一屆就是上個會期所以為什麼今天民進黨團昨天在下班屆期前發出來的我們真的預期今天應當您就已經列入第十一案了 |
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可是並沒有這就是兩套標準兩種不同的做法上個會期就曾經納入國民黨要增加臨時最後一刻要求增加對於選罷法加深加難門檻的選罷法臨時擠入協商的議程 |
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過去您為國民黨可以這樣做您為了國民黨可以把選罷法閹割人民罷免權利的議案趕快加速加緊的排入已經發出的協商通知的議程當中這不是大小眼什麼是大小眼高院長您說您沒有大小眼這不是大小眼不然什麼叫做大小眼所以我以就您擔任韓院長以後不要講再更早的 |
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時間 以前每一次朝野協商臨時去更動順序 增補議案 這都再正常也不過了報告主席 我們也不想在程序上去做很多這樣子的爭執但是偏偏這一年來 立法院在程序上的不正義 在程序上的不公允 |
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在對待不同黨團之間有非常明顯的差別待遇我們一定要捍衛程序正義如果沒有程序正義更不會有實質的正義所以院長您剛剛所回答的我們要求的昨天下班前遞案今天沒有排進來 |
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然後還要徵詢在場的其他黨團的同意民進黨團所提的協商議案才得以列案那這就是另外一個程序委員會囉連列案都不行喔我們的國安法案光一個附中登載已經被擋了377次 |
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連檔連排案都不行現在不正發生了在朝野協商的成委會檔案的狀況現在就發生啊所以沒有程序的正義哪有實質的正義只要是民進黨團提出來的協商主題您就可以反對就可以還要徵詢其他政黨 |
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這不是大細膜 什麼叫做大細膜啦所以我以具體過去您主持您發出來的協商也臨時調整過 增補過所以院長請好好的說明沒有程序正義就沒有實質的正義 |
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好 謝謝吳世耀委員的寶貴的發言剛才吳世耀委員發言裡面已經自己蘊藏了答案只是吳世耀委員自己沒有想清楚去年11月11號發函的時候四個題目然後前兩天 我們是11月9號就發出去所以第二天11月10號 針裂兩案吳世耀幹事長講得非常清楚這兩案 國民黨一個 民進黨一個絕對沒有大小眼 這第一件事情所以過去有做的為什麼今天不行 |
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第二件事你也承認是昨天下午五點三十三分才把這個議案送進來所以我們因此考量今天的議案非常的多把它往後延那這已經解釋完畢了第三我剛剛在休息期間跟國民黨團 台灣民眾黨團都溝通過他們也都同意那這個事情我們就到此我們增加一個案子 這樣好嗎好 謝謝 其他有沒有寶貴意見請張祺凱委員請發言 副總召請準備 |
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好 現在我們的講話都前場直播我看很多留言啊都在提兩個很重要的事情第一類的惡忙我們趕快進入十個 十 今天列的十案趕快討論這樣才對得起人民第二個希望我們不要再虛耗時間了裡面人留言說很懷念上次協商的時候的柯總召回來啦柯總召上次 |
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很理性啊 後面的案子我們都很快的討論嘛 好不好他們甚至講啊 上次這邊要拍桌 拍桌以後有驚嘆幕 你嚇醒了才會開始回到正常今天很正常啊 所以非常非常的期待我們趕快進入這十個案子的討論那我也呼籲民進黨團看一下這十個案子裡面應該很多都是你們要的喔包括司法院人事同意權你們一直在說這個大法官要運作啊現在清德總統把人提名了 |
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那今天我們就要協調要趕快 如果民進黨今天要擋議程又擋議程 又在這邊拖延了這個議程那就是民進黨去拖延整個司法院的人事同意權喔是不是這樣 這個要快那第二個也要討論的是紀念日跟結束實施條例這個就是所謂的還假移民民進黨之前砍了所有的勞工 我們國人七天的這個假 |
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現在民眾黨跟國民黨提出了紀念日的這個紀念日的這個條例出來我們至少還給人民五天假我想是大家很期待的還有 |
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這個核管法現在的這個5月17號馬上核三廠的二號機停電之後就進入了非核的這個家園了我們的電啊 成本會 發電成本會提高電也變髒了我相信全民也希望說這個法趕快來討論還有 這個是行政院自己很關心的中央政府前三預算的這個基礎建設的第五期的特別預算這個是牽扯到整個建設案啊我相信包括柯總召 民進黨團應該不會擋這些案子 |
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所以我呼籲 我們等一下盡快就進入這十個案的討論另外至於民進黨提出有三個提出來的我覺得可以放在第十一跟十二等一下如果民進黨不是擋前面十個案子譬如說可能十五分鐘二十分鐘討論完我們可以接續來討論這個可是我要提醒兩個很重要的點第一個 請民進黨不要霸凌我們立法院的職員 |
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好不好你們還對我們立法院的活字典周萬來周秘書長還提出刑事的告發這個非常非常的不好他當過考試委員他來這邊是貢獻國家的他平常在會議上面他只是個幕僚長你們有事剛剛院長已經講了有事衝著韓國瑜去不要圍我我們的秘書長也不要圍攔我們的公務人員拜託民進黨第二個 |
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民進黨我建議你們看一下你們上次提的三個案子要作案來去你們要圍毆他同時要隔空打這個韓國瑜你們的案子第一個提什麼你要去報告那個立法院的那個空間利用欸這個院長早就早就討論過召集朝野協商都討論過在那裡有個委員會嘛 |
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那這個叫秘書長去幹什麼呢這個當然是對著韓院長而且韓院長清清楚楚發表了聲明跟你們講你如果是有空間的這個利用問題請韓院長說他會召集朝委會一起協商嘛一討論嘛這問題解決了嘛另外一個很離譜的你什麼排流議程在司法法治委員會叫專案裡去報告什麼預防共諜的滲透 |
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共諜的滲透 現在共諜不都在民進黨嗎敵人都在本能室啊要查也是民進黨自己先門關起來先好好簽 更重要的同樣司法法治委員會都邀了吳釗燮吳釗燮是國安會秘書長他旁邊有共諜我們的委員會邀他來他怎麼不來民進黨應該不是去圍欄作案的你要你就趕快去請這個吳釗燮趕快來我們的司法法治委員會這個備詢這個才是正辦 好不好所以我具體的建議 趕快我們就進入十個 |
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重要案子的這個討論我們把握時間那如果有15分鐘20分鐘可以解決前面的那後面有這個三個案子我們進一步來討論把握時間 謝謝張警官委員 一句重點 多拍手少拍桌好 我們請副總召集等一下喔 欸 院長 是我現在他先好 副總 沒問題 |
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那個我想謝謝院長你也辛苦啦我們整整在一個小時的時間之內都沒有進入正題我想全國人民都等很久了我們是不是 院長你就直接查一次 |
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這十個今天討論的事由我們就儘快進入主題至於這個民進黨所提出的幾個案子希望能夠排入本日的議程可能在昨天 |
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這個院方已經發出了這個開會事由之後啊開會通知以後才新要列入的這個案子啊我們尊重院長的才事好不好那我們就盡快進入主題好不好進入主題謝謝好我們現在請柯總統發言發言完畢之後我們開始進入主題好請 |
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當然是希望找到答案不是發言完畢之後就進入主題發言了半天都沒有用的話當然這個主題要怎麼進入啊 |
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院長,我現在在講的就是說,你剛才講吳士堯委員,你說這個有關於議案的安排,也有一次,有一案是民進黨的案子,我不跟你講這麼久的事情,我想今天的事情就好今天,我們昨天是五點半準時,三點半準時去定案先說是五點三十三分,也罷,沒有關係 |
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那你今天早上就可以補發開會通知了嘛對不對因為我剛剛一直在講說假如當場提出來是有臨時通知可以追加的在開會以前都有黨團已經發函檢疫你要尊重就把列入開會通知況且你今天這個你今天這個案子啊是更正版的 |
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你這樣更正版為什麼沒有把民進黨跟進去呢我不知道你你這更正版你既然可以更正那你應該在以更正才對嘛所以這個我要講的事情就是說所有意識規則假如是透明公平的話 |
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整個意思都很暢順你不公平透明的話當沒有一個答案的話意思是很難進行下去所以今天要講的是說你現在真的是我牌桌上次我也拿帳子帳打賣國傑我那時候是這樣講的 |
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你可以你晚上下班已經六點鐘開會已經結束了七點半可以跑來開會當然這我們怎麼可以吞下這口氣呢因為現在都開了你整個國民黨總統都不開了也沒關係啊你開了你本人開了也沒關係啊你可以在電視台可以這樣的已經開會時間已經到中央攔影還坐下去還在翻什麼 |
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你要不要先接電話你先接電話沒關係先接電話跟上次一樣,什麼都好總之你先接電話,然後我們就趕快進入10個議審、新審你先接電話,然後我們就趕快進入10個議審、新審不要緊啦我已經接完了不要緊張沒有那個齁 |
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我跟剛才 我要講一句話李競榮中學主任昨天在立法會講說你在講他40年前的事情根本那40年前的事情和今天國民黨的事情在歐元聯署的事情是完全不一樣的事情並沒有辦法掩護你們的罪行所以我什麼時候接電話 坦白講 |
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並沒有 並不會影響到花園的命運好 謝謝我還沒講完 沒關係 謝謝我還沒講完 沒關係 等我講一下 等我講一下主席如果喔 還是這樣子 一再拖延喔我還沒講完啊那我們真的不同意再排這三個那到底是怎樣對啊 同意不同意啊到底要怎樣啊常委實際上可以已經不同意啊看得到 已經 |
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不要得寸進尺喔不要得寸進尺好不好我們已經大家願意在協調剛才主席在休息的時候然後吳司堯你自己說嘛你自己說嘛我們大家都可以大舉為重嘛對不對不要得寸進尺嘛 |
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我們現在只是願意說把你們三個案子排進去你還要這樣子一直不停的說話我們趕快進入實質的討論怎麼會為了一個柯總召你休息也休息大休息也休息不夠是不是為什麼我要住口你不住口 |
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我講話時間啊講太久了啦我特別報告一下 剛才您不在的時候我們跟吳思瑤 陳柏宇 我們藍白我們全部都溝通完畢 放在後面所以跟您溝通我的意思是說聽主席講啦 聽院長講 講過啦這是好的結果嘛 我跟你溝通說把林映朗昨天5點30 |
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我沒有要管我剛才說那剛才吳士耀前面在講什麼請問吳士耀前面在講什麼 |
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我們的議案不需要經過你們的同意才能決定列案從來沒有要尊重各個黨團要一致這是我們在捍衛我們的權益難道說各個黨團的議案一定要大家同意才能夠列上議程這就是議事不公我們在爭取我們的權益 |
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排議案是主席的權利主席都說把你們列案了你們到底要怎麼樣呢排議案本來是主席的權利啊排議案是主席的權利主席已經才是你們的案子列進去了嘛今天韓國瑜就是主持公正辦案列進去不然排哪個案子是主席的權利啊 |
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就像今天到委員會一樣 潘先生不就是主席的兄弟就像今天到委員會一樣 潘先生不就是主席的兄弟就像今天到委員會一樣 潘先生不就是主席的兄弟就像今天到委員會一樣 潘先生不就是主席的兄弟就像今天到委員會一樣 潘先生不就是主席的兄弟就像今天到委員會一樣 潘先生不就是主席的兄弟就像今天到委員會一樣 潘先生不就是主席的兄弟 |
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我真的必須講啦齁今天來這裡齁我們的柯總召齁他要把這個所謂我們的黨團協商變成竹林九賢啊青檀啊沒有關係啦大練修養啦可是要把你講的時間啊到底竹林九賢要講到什麼時候你不要耽誤院長的時間嘛每次都一樣 |
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對不對 都沒搞清談一清談就兩個半小時全你一個人講不需要這樣啦你剛剛麥克風按掉我看到的喔我剛剛看到的喔我告訴你 總統你休息也休息夠了 |
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對 你就像上次一樣打他接個電話接個電話 民主配合黨上升今天我們就可以進到十個提案去討論一個小時了 一個小時零三分到現在一個案子都不能討論 提案是什麼司法院大法官人事案是你們在 你這樣子見他那心得不好吧一開始就平等對待我的提案根本不用花這一個小時的時間主席常坐下 提起這語言 |
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我們是爭取來的我們是努力爭取來的我們是努力 |
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他故意的在這邊這樣子把一事一成這樣子搞成這樣子 |
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請民進黨團去請柯總召好嗎 |
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哎呀嗯 |
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好 謝謝各位黨團幹部我再一次拜託大家今天難得這樣子好久沒有草以血創這麼多重要案子要拜託大家我們能夠盡量來溝通打成共識接下來我們再請柯總統要繼續發言完畢之後我們就進入第一題討論好嗎請簡短有力二要精確 謝謝我講話都很精確有力沒有力你們自己感受就好了好不好我現在講就是說黨叫得一來就很快 |
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你不照道理來講的話,根本程序都沒有辦法進行,這是一個很簡單的道理我覺得要講的就是說,我們沒有辦法接受你用個人人身攻擊來當曹雷霄的笑話 |
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本席並沒有生病,何來生病是有?我生什麼病?所以剛才那個...那個齊凱啊,聲音很膨脹的說,可是怎麼今天很正常啊?啊怎麼你說我生病他說很正常?是兩個完全其他不同的答案,是不是你座位太高,高不勝寒? |
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你應該可能要請進一下這個民意一下好不好我何來生病呢我們有同樣的病,我們兩個都沒有頭髮無髮但是不要無天好不好所以這一點我自己表示強烈抗議雖然我語氣很溫柔但是我態度是很堅定的不應該當院長不應該拿這個 |
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同僚的身體來做攻擊這是犯大忌所以剛才我還拍桌因為這種情形我不拍桌,非人也該笑不笑不是柯建民該怒不怒也不是柯建民所以我今天要跟你講清楚就是這麼一回事情 |
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因為坦白講整個草野鄉是院長一個很重要的維持整個院會硬轉硬做是一個非常重要的一個倡議這個倡議裡面你是你的主場用之間新的68條你可以做很多事情所以今天要講就是說即便昨天我們5點半送頭去 |
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今天下午是三點鐘開始協商這中間從早上九點到下午三點你可以主動追加民進黨案子這是一個很重要的你只可以過去訪問院長活動的院長會看到他馬上追加所以到 |
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會更正朝野協商通知,你這個也有更正過,但是為什麼我們東西又不跟進來了?這一點我就覺得,我不知道你還有多少次讀朝野協商,至少做先合上裝先裝吧,好不好? |
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這一點我希望你能夠接受,你的語氣看起來很有誠意,那我們繼續往下走我要駁斥一些事情,剛剛張其凱委員講說今天所有案子都是你民進黨要的,我搞不清楚哪一個是民進黨要的 |
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司法院人事同意權嗎?等一下吧不要喔?那個什麼前瞻基礎建設你們不要喔?等一下你聽我講好不好?我們先讓柯總統講好不好?你不要做價值判斷喔柯總統請繼續請繼續所謂大法官人事同意權是你們現在國務黨在呼籲中的既然呼籲你還來這裡延長什麼事情?這個邏輯上有問題,你們國務黨提呼籲提問還沒處理啊那你來這裡什麼延長? |
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所以這個邏輯都有問題嘛你現在講什麼前端基礎建設前端基礎建設當然是我們要的啊前端基礎建設弄三期8400億是最後一期了最後一期當然一定要處理啊 |
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但是不是說要處理的錯,就是說這案子要怎麼遂行比較重要當然要有說案子嘛,這個東西比較有正當性今天要講程式性問題,不是講內容性問題張清華你不可以判他刑,我們也無法說你這什麼說實 |
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法會史是我們要的,其他哪一個是我們要的?說金恩日記、吉祥小禮是我們要的你到底有沒有看過過去的歷史? |
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我們根本和你思維不一樣嘛你不想拿這個你們想要的東西來強姦我們要吞下去嘛我請問黃岸四法公認罪你們難道你最喜歡不想修正我不知道黃國昌今晚出差的不知道什麼意思這柯恩的 |
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柯文哲他已經這麼確鑿,已經檢判起訴,有收到禁卷然後你還說這是赤裸迫害,這樣會不會撐下去?這樣會不會撐下去?是不是這樣?已經收到禁卷,所以你用這個東西一直在配小丑 |
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坦白講,這毫無正當性的我講完話以後沒有關係他已經收押了嘛 |
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他沒有確認證據的話檢察官也把他的賴賴之後還原出來嘛所以我跟柯文哲的案子,坦白講我跟他是老朋友柯文哲今天我也覺得怎麼會這樣但是呢凡事自己做自己要擔我今天這樣講那我們看到一些 |
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目前媒體的報導以及檢察官偵查的作為可以看得出來檢察官自己說是一定有他的根據所以我們不應該對司法尊重因為不應該再去說這是就是用國家機器在做司法的迫害 |
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這樣講反而對整個民進黨是不利的 |
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已經兩個小時了,我們開會已經兩個小時了我們今天要講清楚就是說,到底我們今天誰當,我們一定要遵守原則嘛就是要公開透明,大家都一樣的原則方向來走,這樣才走得下去所以我希望說今天總共有十個案子,加上我們列三個案子總要讓我提案說明一下 |
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我讓他提案說明一下好 稍微等一下好嗎我們先進入一題一題一題我們現在已經兩個小時開會我們現在趕快進入第一題你等一下到了那個題目的時候你再發言嘛 好不好我當然講題目再發言是有方向但是我今天認出來認出來我應該就是我應該可以來做個說明吧是 他照每一個次序的話那我回到好不好 拜託一下 拜託一下 拜託一下 |
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我針對你的發言,你剛才講說,不管周恩來秘書長,乃至於這個高百祥秘書處長所犯任何錯誤,到你為止你要來承擔我不知道你能承擔什麼事情,你認為他犯了什麼錯誤你認為他犯錯誤你來承擔嘛,到你為止嘛,那代表你主觀認定上他是有錯誤的 |
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只有錯誤了,他所犯的錯誤,你能夠用什麼來把他的錯誤轉交到你身上?這個機制是什麼機制我聽不大懂你應該說明一下因為坦白講,就在這個地方,中央藍營藝術場也曾經來做過中央報告來這個地方讀過,也來列舉過 |
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這已經包括過去所有秘書長,一、三秘書長,乃至於林志強秘書長,都來我專案報告的列席可是你欠引用,今天要挑戰你的,就是說你是在上次會議結束的時候,你自己做一個宣告 |
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那宣告是完全不對,是既違法又違憲了為什麼你引用大完事實事由於?大完事實事由於是當年川普總統要不要來立法院報告類型是1998年的時候 |
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要不要來,所以我去做大法官解釋,大法官解釋說,超某總長他負責,他必須來對於他預算,對於法案上,必須來立法院備詢好,謝謝所以中央黨秘書長你和那個是不大一樣的好,謝謝中央黨秘書長並不是超某總長那樣的等級,他是整個立法院的議員整個立法院秘書長,他常常都坐在,你坐在他就坐在你旁邊嘛 |
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所以他必須來做說明嘛為了什麼他必須來說明為了什麼說開會時間已經過了可以積極開會這個很重要嘛好 謝謝不要謝謝講到這個地方你可能會感到比較尷尬一點 |
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沒有 我不是第十案 因為剛才他自己提過好 謝謝你拜託沒有關係啊 你要替他為事法 你要替他為事也不是這樣為事法因為剛才 |
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海岸長自己講說他要承擔這個責任我總統要挑戰我問他承認責任的機制要如何轉到你身上你能夠怎麼樣承擔呢是不是這樣而且對於這個有關於國安的問題他還不來那奇怪啊因為立法院簽這個事情 |
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他也不來報告,當然是立法院秘書長要負責啊立法院簽件是從以前1993年我們來立法院的時候就在討論立法院簽件那時候立法院簽件到華山嘛,要三百多億嘛那時候沒有簽件事 |
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有新黨的立法委員講說這個立法院簽件的話就代表立法院要代表國民政府不反攻大陸所以這個案子就卡死了這當年的歷史是這樣所以這個案子一直是存在的包括王院長的存在都在研擬中最積極當然是由尤其文院長 |
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至少他認為他終於一個院長立完這種開會場所是一個過去小學來改裝的是不符合現代化的一個國會這也是有道理啦所以用這個題目請中院院長來做報告何錯之有啊院長你應該面對這些問題來好好示意嘛不是一直謝謝而已嘛 |
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發言差不多我們要進入主題好不好謝謝柯總召你把麥克風切掉好嗎發言完畢我會尊重你你放心剛剛柯總講人身攻擊這個事情如果讓柯總召有不舒服的感覺我很抱歉因為我是舉一個例子一個人有病叫別人吃藥代表他文不對題他沒有找到主軸我是這個意思並不是攻擊你 |
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而且我也認為你非常健康非常健康 因為我發言時間那麼長你口才是不錯 而且中氣十足謝謝 我特別要講一聲因為我認為你是一個很誠意的狀態好不好我們都有病啊沒有沒有沒有我們這個製作人頭髮都是很少啊沒有沒有頭髮身心靈最重要身心靈最重要好 那我絕對不值得攻擊你的意思我舉這個例子黃總統請發言 請黃總統請發言來 |
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那個謝謝院長其實我一直希望開會的時候就針對主題啊來加油發言那有的時候很遺憾啊柯建民總召完全沒有針對主題在發言那利用自己漫長發言的時間進行恣意啊的攻擊我相信全程直播大家都可以看得到今天針對 |
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我們要討論的事項到目前為止現在已經一個半小時了都還沒有辦法實際上面進行那柯建民總召他要針對各式各樣的議題發表他個人的感想他可以去開記者會他也可以去開直播 |
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這都是他的自由但問題是在黨團協商的時候 恣意的攻擊其他的人我覺得這不是我們坐在這邊黨團協商的重點那特別說什麼 特別說提到柯文哲主席 |
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請問柯文哲主席跟妨礙司法公正罪到底有什麼關係什麼是妨礙司法公正罪妨礙司法公正罪是不法去關說司法不法去關說司法什麼叫不法去關說司法自己有刑事案件的時候找人去幫你去跟法務部部長講叫檢察官不要提起上訴這個叫不法關說 |
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我相信這件事情 柯建民總召 刻骨銘心你等一下喔 你要講話負責講話不要插 人家在講話我叫你講話負責所以啦 對啊我說話我負責啊 但是你講話我為什麼不要跑難不成要跟上次一樣喔你自己關在這個會議室裡面直播到晚上九點半 |
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其他人都不能跑喔要替你自己在那邊直播喔對啊 現在問題就來了嘛我們的立法院什麼時候可以讓人家大戰會議室啊把門都鎖起來 其他人不能進來立法院的會議室什麼時候成為私人的場所了上一次會議的時候發生了什麼事情我相信全程直播大家看得都非常的清楚上一次會議的爭執 |
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要測案的也是民主進步黨立法院黨團總召柯建民先生說他要測案整個會議都有記錄啊第二個今天討論在這邊然後結果開始扯到柯文哲了對不起啊我無法認同更無法接受什麼叫做自己的事自己擔檢察官縮壓有他的道理等等的那跟妨礙司法公正罪有什麼關係 |
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跟妨礙司法公正罪有什麼關係什麼叫妨礙司法公正我再說一次啊去叫法務部部長然後去找檢察官針對自己的刑事案件不要提起上訴這個才叫妨礙司法公正啊這個叫做不法的關說啊今天我坐在這邊是代表台灣民眾黨立法院黨團針對今天院長 |
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在開會通知上面所要協商的事項包括大法官包括前瞻基礎建設包括國定假日法包括妨礙司法公正罪等等重要的議題來參與協商我們坐在這邊基本上是對於院長的尊重基本上是對於院長的尊重但容我再講一次我們沒有必要坐在這邊 |
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聽一個人利用自己發言的機會 恣意的攻擊動不動就叫人家不要走 要休息講話跟耍流氓一樣 |
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我們沒有必要忍受這樣的事情我非常誠懇的跟院長講這件事情特別是我坐在這邊連坐在這邊你都要扯柯文哲對不起啊我無法接受啦我無法接受啦對啊所以跟妨礙施打公認罪有什麼關係人家有去叫檢察官說不要針對我的刑事案件提起上訴啊 |
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好丟臉喔真的是好丟臉喔 |
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就放棄言論免責權嘛這裡哪有什麼言論免責權歡迎你去告我啦白紙黑字記載得非常清楚了啦你還有臉坐在這邊講反對司法通證你自己不會臉紅喔自己不會覺得丟臉喔還是自己覺得丟臉硬要扯柯文哲 |
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丟人現眼啦你看連我現在在講話他都繼續在插嘴欸這個就是民主進步黨立法院黨團總召柯建民的風範只有他發言的時候可以自己的去罵罵別人然後別人在這邊講話的時候他死都不肯把那個麥克風按掉不斷的插嘴不斷的干擾這個是什麼會議秩序啊 |
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這個是什麼會議秩序啊我們為什麼有必要容忍這樣子的事情啊謝謝院長你趕快走謝謝啊接下來我們請王宏威委員發言請 |
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今天其實我們很久沒有由院長來召開朝野協商 |
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所以我們其實累積的案件非常非常之多然後其實在這十個案件裡面有非常重要的包含大法官的人事同意權還有其實我們在昨天在明天已經排入討論事項的前瞻基礎建設的第五期特別預算其實我們 |
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在國民黨團已經把它列入討論事項那其實我們很遺憾的在星期二的程旭委員會的時候呢民進黨團是反對甚至反對我們把前瞻建設這個第五期特別預算把它列進去然後今天繼續在黨所以呢今天證明的黨預算的是民進黨團 |
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那另外呢我們這個河管法其實也非常重要大家都知道在5月17號即將河山場就要走入歷史所以我們希望在現在台灣民眾有很多的民調都顯示起碼有六成的民眾希望 |
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能夠保留在我們的能源裡面能夠保留這個核電能夠核電廠能夠繼續研議所以我們是搶救核三廠但是非常可惜的是現在看起來民進黨團尤其柯總召以冗長的發言而且以公報私仇的方式其實就是想要羞辱周萬蘭秘書長想要羞辱 |
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我們的院長韓國瑜院長的方式去阻撓我們剛才所講的不管是前瞻基礎建設的預算案或者是合管法還有刑法的修正另外那麼我們還有就是公投案兩個公投案大家都知道我們在法定時間8月23日是公投的法定時間然後一再的阻擋難道是要阻擋 |
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公民來投這個公投的一個權利嗎另外廣大的勞工希望能夠還假於民所以我們今天也排入了紀念日及節日的實施條例草案希望能夠在國定假日的部分能夠增加能夠回應廣大民眾的需求 |
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所以我必須說今天我們提了這十個案子其實是各個領域不管是在經濟或在民生上面民眾都高度重視高度關注的可是沒有想到 |
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民進黨團只是因為自己的提案然後不惜現在我們的時間已經將近兩個小時完全沒有辦法進入政題所以在這邊我們必須在這邊置表遺憾那麼也覺得這個主席非常的辛苦那麼我在這邊也特別的提出來 |
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如果今天柯總召繼續用這樣的方式在浪費時間他不是只是浪費我們這些黨團幹部的時間他事實上是在浪費全民的時間拖垮台灣的經濟 拖垮台灣的民生如果這樣子繼續下去 我真的覺得我們今天這樣的協商還要不要繼續的延續下去我想就麻煩主席能夠做出裁示 以上謝謝 |
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有些事情要澄清跟說明朝野協商的場域不應當去做不正當的訊息的散播民進黨沒有在程序委員會去擋前瞻 |
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反對的是國民黨整包你們是整包把所有的議案綁在一起你們的整包裡面有我們認為目前不妥還要再討論的議案所以我們反對的是你們整包這種包裹式的列案我們並不會也沒有反對前瞻建設前瞻建設是我比你們早一點點在立法院歷經第九屆第十屆被國民黨丟麵粉丟水球我們 |
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用在這種威脅之下爭取而來的前瞻建設我們怎麼會去反對他呢那另外呢我想也是要再做一下說明喔這剛剛講的這兩個公投案喔這兩個公投案的本質就是一個為了在野黨怕罷免就罷免硬要來操弄公投作為 |
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政治動員的一個假公投假議題的工具而已所以民進黨當然不認同這種台灣並沒有廢死台灣也沒有戒嚴這種空殼的假議題的為了救罷免而提出來的公投案完全沒有正當性在法裡面也站不住腳我們的立場已經多次說明了這當然是我們會保留意見的還有核管法 |
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核管法核能是不是要研議一定要兼具三個前提第一個要有社會共識第二個核能安全不能打折第三個核廢料的處置有沒有更好的解方在這三個條件沒有辦法具足之前國民黨要用一個修法的方式就要讓核三來研議 |
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這是開什麼玩笑把全國人民的生命財產安全置於何處另外呢剛剛黃國昌總召講到妨礙司法公正罪然後他就依舊帥氣的背著他的小包包依舊帥氣的噴完口水然後就離開 |
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每一次的朝野協商黃國昌總召似乎是三黨總召裡頭最沒有去履行總召職務的你看看到現在柯總召還在現場傅總召也還在現場永遠最早離席的然後把自己都說的都比誰更認真的黃國昌永遠是最早離席的那個人剛剛我們所提到的妨礙司法公正罪什麼叫做妨礙司法公正 |
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帶著民粹的操弄去衝北檢去衝北院這不就是妨礙司法公正嗎這不就是讓我們的司法人員要受於政治力的干預沒有辦法獨立行使司法的權利嗎黃國昌還敢提妨礙司法公正罪的刑法修法請民眾黨好好去想想 |
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你們這樣操弄民粹 拿民粹來鬥臭司法還敢提這個法案回到今天協商的主題的第一案也要就教於主席喔 |
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每一個朝野協商的議程議案是可以調整的就如同你們今天是更正你們更正的是第十案把選罷法本來的更正前的條文是第七十條跟第七十三條等等你們今天更正為第五十七條換言之是可以更正的這是你們的更正 |
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那所以在更正的同時為什麼沒有把民進黨要求的議案放進來好這個問題我們剛剛已經釐清了好也願意放進來了但是以後請不要再大小眼第二個我也非常的納悶要進入如果稍後可以順利進入這個程序第一案司法院的人事同意權現在我們也非常不解 |
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民進黨我們認為要來討論司法院人事同意權的後續程序大家可以討論它有法定的期程這確實需要朝野協商可是國民黨明明對於司法院大法官的人事同意權提出了復議案 |
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這週二國民黨在院會提出了復議案換言之國民黨已經暫時擋下了冷凍住了這個司法院人事同意權的行使的這個程序我也非常不解一個已經被國民黨提出復議案現在在議事的程序上就是沒有辦法進行的時候你居然把它排在協商的第一案 |
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8045.334 |
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那國民黨倒是要說說看你們為什麼要把大法官人士同意權提出複議把它停住因為一程序你提出複議就需要在下一次下下次某一次的院會上去解除那個複議這個複議可能很多那個直播的朋友不知道這個是立法院內部的複議跟行政院的複議不一樣那國民黨自己明明對於司法院大法官人士同意權提出複議了那今天你把它列在協商的第一案 |
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他在議程上就是現在沒有辦法處理嘛所以這倒是院長要說明啊所以說朝野協商的議程因為我們的議案不斷的在變動 |
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所以朝野協商的議程確實過去都會調來調去這是院長依據各黨提出的議案然後去調配所以說各黨的意見都要被合理的尊重跟相等的對待這是第一點第二點 |
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應當議事人員 周秘書長也好 或者是我們的高百強處長 議事處長也應當掌握到了禮拜二的院會 國民黨針對大法官同意權提出了復議現在議程就被卡住了 就被拖住了人事同意權就暫時沒有辦法往下走了那你還把它列來第一案我們也很想知道為什麼國民黨要去提出 要去 |
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凍結人事同意權的這個這個復議案的提出我們也不解啊所以說程序是如何就要依程序 亦是有亦是的規則我們從今天開始到現在如果一開始院長就合理公平的對待每一個政黨提出來的議案我們不需要花費一個小時的時間去爭取去捍衛民主進步黨的權利 |
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8135.046 |
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各黨一樣大沒有誰比較大也沒有民進黨的議案提出要經過國民黨民眾黨的同意才可以列上議程絕對沒有我們爭取跟捍衛的是平等的權力跟程序的正義所以院長第一案可能要請議事說明一下他已經提出附議案了 |
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人事同意權被凍結住啦 暫時沒有辦法處理啦那你今天排在協商的第一案 這不是比奇怪更奇怪嗎?好 現在不是要 剛才你提的這個民進黨的提案每次都要經過國民黨跟台灣民眾黨點頭同意 絕無此事絕無此事我們已經 這個事情已經逃了一個多小時 |
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因為你們是昨天下午5點33分送件今天的案子比較多我一而再再而三跟你解釋你也能理解我希望不要一直抓了這一點好像把民進黨弄委屈的位置絕無此事絕無此事現在今天我們協商沒有共識我們後續依議事規則來規定處理沒有沒有我們要繼續協商啊 |