| IVOD_ID |
166601 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166601 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-24T09:30:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-24T09:42:05+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:07 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8b793423fad44d603a34708a28a8455e63a8c7f6258665b2b335d4796f3eb88d48bf7fb5696d4c0f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳秉叡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:30:58 - 09:42:05 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲、金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆、國家發展委員會副主任委員、內政部次長、外交部次長、國防部副部長、教育部次長、法務部次長、經濟部次長、交通部次長、勞動部次長、農業部次長、衛生福利部次長、運動部次長、環境部次長、文化部次長、數位發展部次長、僑務委員會副委員長、國家科學及技術委員會副主任委員、海洋委員會副主任委員、國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會副主任委員、人事行政總處副人事長、國立故宮博物院副院長、原住民族委員會副主任委員、客家委員會副主任委員、中央選舉委員會副主任委員、核能安全委員會副主任委員、公平交易委員會副主任委員、國家通訊傳播委員會副主任委員、大陸委員會副主任委員、公共工程委員會副主任委員就「115年度中央政府總預算案至今尚未審查，近3,000億元之新興、新增計畫將無法推動，對國家整體發展之影響」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席麻煩請財政部莊部長請莊部長委員好我延續剛剛的話題因為我覺得問的人跟你回答的你回答的他好像沒有聽懂所以我再讓你再說得更清楚 |
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因為所謂的這個徵收的比例是跟預算數來比那民國114年就是這個年度的預算數跟去年相比已經提高很多了 |
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你剛剛講是不是已經提高了很多了是跟去年的時增數而不是跟去年的預算數是跟去年時增數已經高出我知道了我是說那預算數提高多少已經高出947億預算數不是時增數你說113年的預算跟114年的預算數差距是多少 |
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那如果說這樣的話 那接近將近有好幾千億因為我們去年比預算數 時增數比預算數就高出了3757億事實上我的預算數還比這個時增數更高我們一項一項來好不好 你把兩個東西混在一談 難怪他聽不懂嘛我現在就是一項一項幫你撥清楚嘛 |
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113年的稅入的預算關於稅收徵收的部分跟114年度的稅入預算稅收徵收部分就增加了3000多億對不對你剛剛講是不是又增加了3000多億預算數先講預算數那所以這個預算數多了3000多億也就是說如果大家都是收百分之百的時候你的實收數113年度跟114年度你就要多3000多億對不對 |
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那再來再進到時增數那當然113年的時增數時增很多所以他們才要求那個要發一人發一萬的兩千兩千三百多億啊對不對那就是因為我以前一直在這邊跟你講說你們的預算 |
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這個稅入的部分編的太保守估計的太保守使得真正徵收到的數額高於這個預算數很多嘛那你們今年114年從善如流把預算數提高了3000多億所以今年的時增數就不會高於預算數那麼多到目前為止 |
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還差一點點其實還有一個原因你還沒有講到啦就是因為台灣跟美國在關稅談判所以你們今年年終的時候有宣布今年的那個站腳稅款什麼東西都可以延後嘛對不對那一部分差多少 |
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那個部分就差不多要600多億了所以如果把這個600多億歷年來都沒有這種讓他們可以環繳可以分齊繳的這個東西再加進來今年的實增數原則上本來還是要高於預算數但是大概只有高四五百億啦 |
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如果照剛剛的算數這樣算下來因為你現在說會達到98或是99嘛你的估計那我們現在離年底還有10幾天嘛還不到10天但是你實際的收入我這樣給你算一算假設你沒有讓因為台美的關稅談判使得它延緩跟站腳今年的實收數 |
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很可能是比今年的預算數會多收四五百億那因為你暫緩了五六百億所以最後你只能夠達到98% 99%嘛我這樣說對不對是的 謝謝委員確實是如此那如果這樣是對的話 |
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就代表我們的經濟成長率在稅收上面也是會展現當然稅收是會有遞延效果就像你講的營所稅跟眾所稅分別遞延一年跟兩年嘛因為明年上市櫃公司的公司發股利給股東 股東明年拿到股利他是後年繳個人綜合所得稅那公司竟然賺錢的營利事業所得稅是明年繳嘛所以分別遞延一年跟兩年這個七點 |
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多的這個經濟成長率是不得了的成績啊但是會在明年後年顯現出來你的困難是在哪裡是因為他們把統籌分配稅款把所有的營業稅幾乎都撥到地方去就把你挖掉三四千億啦所以你今年的稅入的總預算那一部分扣掉本來是成長因為那部分扣掉所以等於是從三億三兆一千億退為兩兆八千億嘛 |
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今年度的這個預算要編來立法院的預算 我這樣說對不對完全是的 就115年度的預算但是你的回答 因為他也沒有要認真聽你的回答啦因為他就是活在他自己已經編好的故事裡面嘛好 你請回座 請主計長謝謝好 請主計長 |
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委員好剛剛的對話有聽到啦那現在一個最大的問題喔我跟你說我真的這樣認為今年的預算不可能會省啊今天是12月24號嘛到現在預算還沒有付尾昨天在程序委員會還是給你擋掉啊 |
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我們的召委很認真排這個題目就是讓你講清楚為什麼因為他要讓國人知道說這個會對國家造成什麼樣的損害那你認為他不給你省預算最大的理由是什麼你有沒有聽過就是那個那個軍人的一個因為立法院喔用他的法律案搶奪了行政院的行政權 |
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行政權的核心是人事跟經費是就是說他規定每個職業經理人他都要給你每個月加薪三萬塊對 |
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本來其實總統跟行政院原來就已經有加了加了一些戰鬥價值等等已經加了大概我如果沒有記錯大概加了一萬多塊錢然後他這個之外他還要每個月還要再加三萬塊然後指責說你行政院沒有編入預算裡面所以他不給你省這個預算破壞整個人事制度對啦那其實我就認為這個違憲啦 |
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那當然他們過去為了怕被宣告違憲就把憲法法庭的這個用憲訴法把整個職權剝奪掉嘛把整個國家的制度全部都弄壞掉了嘛好那現在五個大法官他們出來做了這個憲法的判決說憲訴法違憲 |
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所以如果依照目前中華民國的憲法體制現在是可以申請違憲的審查了就可以申請憲法的判決那條路有恢復出來了那問題是他們現在又說這五個大法官的判決違法他還是不要讓憲法法庭走啊所以我是跟你講這群人是不會讓你審預算的啦 |
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12月24號不會審1月24號也不會審啦到下個會期如果沒有特別事件發生也不會審但是我要問你一個我最憂慮的問題剛剛的報告裡面說第一預備金第二預備金跟災害準備金總共有170億都沒有辦法動資啊是 |
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台灣過去有句話叫多難興邦因為台灣這個海島剛好在太平洋的前沿在整個太平洋的颶風就是說我們每一年颱風都幾乎都有啦有的從南部來有的從北部來但是很難有那個年度說整年都沒有颱風全台灣都沒有受到風災的那現在又強降雨水災的機會也很多 |
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我要請教說那你的第一預備金第二預備金跟災害準備金都沒有辦法動之的狀況下發生天然災害怎麼辦 |
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是這個部分所以我們這個部分就是會遭遇到困難的一個部分我知道啦我現在就是說我們也在面對這個困難嘛我很想讓台灣能夠正常運作台灣的國民遇到天然災害的時候我們中央政府可以跟他救助我們中央政府可以給予各種救災各種災難的整頓啊那他現在不給你省這個預算所以依照你的報告第一預備金第二預備金加災害準備金總共170億 |
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明年的災害準備是50億那一倍跟二倍是120億本來如果災害準備金不夠的時候行政院還可以專案簽准用預備金來用嘛所以當台灣遇到天然災害除了地方政府要救災之外中央政府救災主要就是要靠這一筆錢嘛 |
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那他現在不給你過你讓國人知道說這個沒有過的話將來中華民國遇到天然災害中央政府沒有一毛錢可以花大聲的講給國民聽啦是 這個部分災害準備金的確是一個困難那如果說地方他災情慘重的話那自己的災害準備金不夠資益那就必須要仰賴中央來做資助那到時候中央就是沒有經費可以調整 |
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575.405 |
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到說天然災害發生的時候他們就會講另外一套說詞喔他不會講說他們不通過預算所以你沒有錢喔他講說中央麻木不仁啦對國人的災害適合不見啦他們將來就會換成這種言詞囉 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
580.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
586.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
所以你要了解我們今天主席為什麼我認為這是我揣測的為什麼這麼辛苦排這個議案請了這麼多的政府官員來就是要讓你們說出沒有這個通過之後國人會受到什麼樣的災害你都講話都很客氣講說我們就有困難國人聽不懂什麼叫我們就有困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
603.753 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
608.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
你要跟他講 這個沒有過明年任何的災害 中央政府一毛錢都沒辦法補助國安是不是要共同承擔這個苦難他是影響災害的一個救助啦對啦 我的意思是說 我這個人我偷懶啦 我比較激動啦我要把這個困難講給全民聽我們鄉間國安就不痛不癢我們就遇到困難了 我們就遇到困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
629.073 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
631.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
如果這樣我們台肥主席今天擺這個議案要給你算命 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
635.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
657.708 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
我意思說 你如果真的很痛 要大聲哀啦你這麼說我們有困難 那個不痛不癢好像不太重要啊 我的感覺是這樣子我是說我用情緒的角度來揣測 會不會有這樣的誤解這樣如果造成這樣誤解就很遺憾希望你能夠很認真 大聲疾呼 這不過是國家的災難謝謝 加油 謝謝委員 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
662.904 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
665.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
謝謝委員接下來我們請賴世保委員 |