| IVOD_ID |
166595 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166595 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-36,23-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制、交通委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制、交通委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-24T09:08:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-24T09:17:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:26 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8b793423fad44d6021507287eab262d0edbd2ae366782b1ab335d4796f3eb88d31c2673164c3cee95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:08:30 - 09:17:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制、交通委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：一、審查委員李昆澤等19人擬具「交通部航港局組織法第六條條文修正草案」案。
二、審查委員李昆澤等19人擬具「交通部高速公路局組織法第七條條文修正草案」案。
三、審查委員李昆澤等18人擬具「交通部公路局組織法第七條條文修正草案」案。） |
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謝謝主席麻煩有請交通部的政事還有權序部的代表請交通部還有我們權序部兩位好我在這邊我要先公開的肯定權序部為什麼公開肯定權序部兩件事情 |
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依法行政說到做到什麼意思立法院三讀通過警察人士條例為了要照顧我們辛苦的警校他們退休以後的所得替代率有著以提升我之前請教權序部說這個法律三讀生效了 |
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那你們全序部給退休的景銷有關於退休金的審定函是依照新法做還是依照舊法做你們說因為電腦系統有轉換你們會按照新法做而且在年底以前會做完這個是在司法法治委員會大概兩三次詢答的內容我得到全序部的回覆 |
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這件事情我既然開始追蹤要捍衛我們警消的權利還有國會立法的尊嚴我就一定會追下去最近我從警察同仁那邊我拿到了選區部發的新的審定函這個新的審定函請選區部的代表看一下 |
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在螢幕上面通通都有右手邊當然各自的部分我一定要把人家塗掉114年12月16號也就是在年底以前他們說新的審定函會發給全國的警校第一個問題這個新的審定函現在發完了嗎 |
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報告委員部分的比較特殊性質的部分的話我們是需要用人工來計算所以有些大概2000多個人是需要人工計算你們現在已經發出去的含有幾份這個部分數字的部分要回去再詳查那會後可以提供給我們會後提供好不好總共發出去的幾份有多少人收到你們現在有一個大致的數字嗎 |
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跟委員報告因為這個數字的部分的話因為可能要你們發出去有一萬人嗎應該就是我所知道的是大概有幾千人是要人工計算的那其他的已經發出去的就像我現在貼在上面的審定函一樣嗎現在兩個部分嘛第一個如果是按照本來公務人員退休撫恤法的規定那個錢是由基金給 |
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那如果是警察人員人事條例提高了所得替代率你們上面的函是說這個差額要另由服務機關依規定發給那這個原服務機關指的是哪裡 內政部嗎這個部分的話應該是內政部要應該是內政部 沒有 因為要講清楚啦因為台灣喔 是法治國家 |
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雖然最近這一個禮拜發生的事情讓很多法律人開始在懷疑台灣還是不是法治國家我為什麼肯定權序部啊立法院三讀通過總統公布的法律你們依照法律的規定所發給退休警消的審定函當然是依照新法嘛 |
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這是為什麼你們會在12月底的時候把所有退休警銷他們必須要重新審定的審定函發出去的理由嘛我的理解沒有錯吧是嗎好 第二個這些退休的警銷拿到審定函了以後你看左手邊的 大概一個月啦差了人家五千塊左右我如果是用警政二階一級 |
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年功奉五七五來看的話一個月大概少了人家五千塊我們國家對退休的景效一個月少給人家五千塊這個帳還賴著那這個帳要賴到什麼時候啊全序部有沒有資訊 |
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跟委員報告這個部分的話可能就是要再洽那個內政部那邊確認欠錢的是內政部嗎是嗎應該講說是服務機關依規定發給那這個部分的一個作業的部分的話是因為內政部是主管機關所以必須由內政部那邊作對嘛所以我說欠錢的是內政部沒有錯嗎是嗎編列預算的部分是由內政部謝謝 |
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欠這些錦銷的啦其實是中華民國中華民國他是法人嘛內政部是主管機關嘛現在政府沒有編預算讓這些錦銷一個月少拿了五千塊我的問題是啊公法上面的請求權發生了沒有請全序部 |
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拿到權序審定函之後 當事人就具有請求權他拿到權序審定函以後 他就具有請求權說得很好我們中華民國的文官就是有水準嘛念過行政法嘛知道依法行政的ABC嘛當然是拿到審定函了以後 我為什麼一直跟你們追審定函 |
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就是要早日的確定他們公法上面請求權的數額嘛算出來了以後才知道國家欠他們多少錢嘛下一個問題他拿到審定函了以後發生了公法上面的請求權可以依照這個行政處分直接申請行政執行嗎請回答 |
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不要怪我再考你行政法啦這個是很基本的行政法的原理原則每一個公務員考過高考的都有這個水準啦來跟委員報告如果是當事人對於這個權利審定函有不符或者是他想要依據這個權利審定函來請求相關的權益的話那可以依照規定來請求救濟 以上你講得太抽象了啦 |
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我再跟你講明白一點行政處分如果那個權利是國家的國家就可以直接拿行政處分去申請行政執行對不對對吧好但是這個行政處分他如果發生的權利是給人民的人民是沒有辦法直接拿行政處分去申請行政執行對不對是嗎 |
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對嘛這個是行政法的ABC我是覺得很痛苦那這個時候人民該怎麼辦人民只能夠依照這個行政處分所給他公法上面的請求權所產生的請求權基礎依照行政訴訟法的規定提起給付之訴 |
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提起幾付之數 拿到幾付判決了以後就可以當作執行民意申請強制執行所有中華民國的財產全部都是強制執行的標的對不對可以申請強制執行是嗎 好 那現在來啦我的政府賴著不給錢公法上面的請求權拒不給付 那沒有辦法人民啊 只有一條路 |
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就是對國家提起公法上面幾付之訴透過幾付之訴取得執行名義申請強制執行我是想利用這一場質詢換起換起這些掌握權力的人法治國依法行政的ABC |
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同時讓所有的警消同仁藉由這一場質詢聽到他們接下來該怎麼辦他們可能沒有那個勞力時間費用不願意花那個勞力時間費用去打官司啊沒有關係沒有關係明年1月1號以後 |
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明年1月1號以後如果內政部還是繼續賴著不還欠錢不給的話我會幫他們提起團體訴訟我會幫他們提起團體訴訟所有退休的請銷依照行政訴訟要提起給付之數所有團體訴訟的程序成本我會幫他們承擔好 謝謝 |