| IVOD_ID |
166575 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166575 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-22T12:45:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-22T12:54:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/540097afd73d1038c8d66067dab57700f200d91c7a5d8c83f2c9a52355be4d236a6179980499944d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:45:02 - 12:54:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長、衛生福利部部長、交通部部長、警政署署長、國家安全會議秘書長、國家安全局局長、法務部部長就計畫性攻擊事件進行「社會治安維護之檢討與精進」專題報告並備質詢。） |
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好主席謝謝麻煩請內政部長跟警政署長請劉部長跟張署長部長署長大家都很關心1219的這個事件那我們今天來做一個徹底的一個檢討跟討論最重要的就是希望是防範未來那其中一個部分很多委員可能都有提到就是在於這一位兇嫌他其實是通緝犯 |
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那但是過去在這幾年裡面我們通氣的系統跟行政上的資源有沒有因此脫節因為在這一個事件裡面兇險它其實在台北市租屋甚至它的這個租屋的一個地點其實也就是靈博愛特區附近那以及網路使用平台還有公共場合的廠刊等等的但是居然我們都沒有辦法有這個發現 |
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未來有沒有什麼可以更進一步因為本期剛剛查了一下去年的資料我們現在通緝犯的人數居然高達八萬人 |
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是不是登記在案的我們有八萬人通緝犯這個通緝的部分就是法務部發布通緝法之後不管是通緝給檢證機關或移民署那我們都有要求各縣市政府檢察局的去做加強這個塔普那塔普的這個第一支表演者大概就是他的戶籍地或者是他的居住地址第一時間去做了解 |
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那像這個這個嫌犯他的嫌犯已經跟家裡失聯大概兩年以上了是兩年以上了本席現在講的時候我想我們今天都是就事論事就是說這個通緝犯他其實發佈通緝也已經半年之久那在這半年裡面他可以上網去購買不管是我們認為說他是相對來講比較一般人不會去購買的煙霧彈 |
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這個甚至他的刀是從哪邊來的不得而知可是一個通緝犯在博愛特區附近租屋然後趴趴走然後買這些東西他有網路的足跡等等的但我們沒有任何可以更積極有效作為去掌握嗎 |
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我想未來就是說對於查捕逃犯在偵查的這個方向跟技巧能夠更加的精進比如講說未來就是通緝犯我們可能會對於他使用的電子的這些相關的產品再更加去深入去蒐集他真正住的這個地方不然就是就只有在我們公共的場所遇到我們的同齡的臨檢入檢去查捕的遇到狀況這個機率就比較低 |
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這被動這機率比較低如果主動的話剛剛委員提的也是很好未來就是他使用的這些的電子的這個產品比方他有用他的真實身份證去購買的手機啦或者是或者是他的類似上網的IG什麼各方面去積極的去做查譜這個部分未來可能我們會再做再做內部的這個精進是那是不是內政部跟法務部這邊能夠來去開會討論到怎麼樣能夠針對通緝犯的這部分 |
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他既然已經是通緝犯了照理講他就已經犯了相關的一些刑責那已經有案底或有刑責的人他居然可以在外面趴趴走然後還去做這樣子高危險的事情我想任何國家都不應該允許來第二個部分 |
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追捕的過程裡面當然大家也有看到就是說我們員警非常英勇本系列一而再再三支持我們的員警但是在這個案件裡面有提到是說這一個凶嫌他拿刀但是我們有看到他就在頂樓的圍捕的時候其實我們的員警相對來講有警棍有手電筒可是那個距離跟長度也會 |
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讓人家覺得說如果真的有衝突的時候其實他跟那個刀的長度是差不多的那我們也看到國外也有一些案例不管是日本美國日本或是歐洲等等的有用較長的這一些防範性的武器或者是制止的武器 |
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我們有沒有考慮類似的這樣子的經濟這個是有我想就是要在第一次因為很多委員都問了就是說那個狀況是一個緊急而且是一個跟時間賽跑所以當時是路口有一個交通港 |
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交通港是沒有佩戴槍支那一發這個訊息就通報那通報到線上去都是有帶槍的派出所是有要下班的也趕過去我覺得就是當然是這是我們這個是一個警察的這個第一時間的反應到未來可能要更加精進他應該是要領用裝備再去 |
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那我覺得就是說很多的這個時間都是跟時間在做賽跑那當然領後專輩的時間會應該會延遲領後專輩大概超過兩三分鐘去可能他又犯了 |
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你看那個時間他可能就本期現在提醒的是說我們你講的所謂領用裝備他可能是指的是槍支嘛那槍支就會在派出所或是在分局嘛是但本期現在講的是說我們不要到最後就陷入是說警察能不能領了槍支然後能不能在現場用槍因為這個可能又有更深像網路上這兩天也有在討論就是說為什麼警察到最後不敢用槍因為可能用槍之後如果說因為今天這個兇嫌 |
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不會說不敢用槍啦對我知道我說如果說他今天真的用槍還要寫報告等等部分後續有一些反鎖但是請容許本席 |
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提醒我們也看到有國外有很多這種重大的公共運輸場域的暴力攻擊衝突等等他其實是用譬如說比較長的武器包括說那個繩索等等的把他給制止或是說把他給絆倒讓他失去行動能力那其實兩三個人來配合兩三位有訓練有所有員警配合不要是一個單打獨鬥 |
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那這樣子就可以拉開距離並且保護我們遠景的安全也可以迅速的制止那這一些裝備跟武器它就不也許就不僅是只能儲存在派出所或是分局它也許是重大的一些地方或是說甚至警車上面等等的它就可以有配置 |
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那未來有沒有針對這部分能夠再做進一步的討論這個我們來嚴厲啦就是說對於可能就是比較密集或者人潮聚集的場所這一些的這個我們的警力配屬單位再加上這個配備上的一個配置因為我們希望讓遠景可以有安全的情況今天是真的沒事發生那如果說他是做困獸之鬥假設遠景在圍牆上就是在頂樓的時候他做困獸之鬥來攻擊遠景 |
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以手電筒等等來講的話其實跟他距離是沒有優勢的本席是要提出這一句手電筒是當時在做照明的那我是說他員警手上的武器是沒有優勢跟他的距離是沒有優勢的本席還是在強調是說如果說有較長的武器能夠把他給絆倒把他給圍捕的話員警才會有優勢那最後還是一樣我想一分鐘再確認一下因為案件在 |
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5點23分就已經有一位余先生他到時候不幸身亡那其實已經發生了命案了但到了6點34分這一個兇嫌才跑到這所謂的中山站跟這個南溪成品這邊那其實距離也算近他還是在那一個生活圈範圍裡面捷運站一兩站的一個距離 |
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那本席想要講的是說其實不只是細胞簡訊因為5.23分已經發生可是我們還沒有掌握兇嫌等於說兇嫌是在逃他等於是逃犯那如果說我們有一個機制能夠讓周邊的民眾了解就是說有這樣的一個在潮的危險人物那會不會讓當6點34分當民眾看到他在馬路上有異樣的時候大家就多一份警覺 |
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不然其實很多人都講到是說當6點34分在那個中山站南溪成品前面的馬路上他在丟擲煙霧彈的時候有人以為是拍電影 |
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對不對可是5點23分已經發生命案了如果說沒有5點23分的命案的話那也許大家不知道他是突然出現但本席現在提到的是說5點23分已經發生命案那如果說那周邊的民眾有辦法知道說現在有一個極端危險的人正在逃脫請大家密切注意互相提醒周邊發生可疑的人事物請一定馬上通報警方那是不是可能在6點34分 |
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當他再出現在中山捷運站的時候民眾看到可能會多一份警覺就不會以為他是拍電影而是就會自然聯想到說是不是有可能這就是兇險這一個部分未來可以做什麼樣的加強那我們對於這個部分如果有更正確的信息應該可以嚴厲來辦理 |
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署長因為本席要提醒的是當天本席在新北市跑行程也是看變成是說看社群看這些推播的新聞但是都沒有辦法了解事實的全貌而且到底他有沒有被逮捕或說現在情況怎麼樣不明但如果說在那周邊的民眾能夠有更警覺的一個訊息那也許大家會多一份警覺你可以同意嗎 |
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我想就是說未來在訊息的這個部分要更正確讓我們更省心嚴厲來做一個處理好 感謝本席三個提問 謝謝 |