| IVOD_ID |
16657 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16657 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-08T08:30:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-08T13:10:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:39:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302dd1a3f2a9ffa300804ad9f551ce5fa921f14bfadd538e1bbbf92803fdb3f397d9b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、內政部及教育部就「人本交通」及「交通安全」施行狀況進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、處理113年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算關於交通部主管預算凍結案計2案。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:15 - 13:10:00 |
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現在出席委員已組法定人數現在開會請議事人員先讀上次會議議事錄立法院第十一屆第三會期交通委員會第九次全體委員會議議事錄時間114年4月30日星期三上午9時至下午20時24分地點本院紅樓201會議室出席委員李坤哲等14人列席委員林德福等27人 |
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立席官員交通部部長陳士凱等主席林昭吉委員國城報告四項宣讀上次會議議事錄決定議事錄確定進行專題報告一項本日會議由交通部部長陳士凱等報告後藉由委員洪孟凱等25人提出質詢均經部長陳士凱及相關人員分別予以答覆決定一報告及訊號完畢二委員林德福等6人所提書面質詢均列入記錄並刊登公報三委員質詢中要求提供相關書面資料 |
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或未及答覆部分 請交通部及相關機關盡速以書面答覆通過臨時提案六項 散會宣讀完畢請問各位委員對義式路有沒有意見沒有 我們就確定義式路現在介紹在場委員 我們李昆哲委員黃孟凱委員還有我們的交通部 我們陳世凱部長 |
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陸政司 黃韻貴市長公共運輸監理司 林福山市長中國規劃司 張垂龍市長交通科技及資訊司 黃欣勳市長會計處 曾煥棟副處長公務局 陳文瑞局長 |
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高工局趙先華局長運營所林紀國所長國土署都市基礎工程組蔡義強組長警政署交通組陳明志組長教育部宗教師嚴寶岳副市長 |
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學務及特殊教育師鄭文堯專委專貿委員國民及學前署薛承佑專貿委員主計總署基金預算處李政道科長 |
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現在先處理報告事項之解凍案共有兩案請議事人員宣讀 |
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報告事項處理一百一三年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算關於交通部主管預算凍結案及二案一交通部函檢送台灣港務股份有限公司新增決議第一項暫處包裝代理及加工費預算凍結兩千萬元書面報告案二交通部函檢送桃園國際機場股份有限公司新增決議第五項一般建築及設備計畫預算凍結一千萬元書面報告案宣讀完畢 |
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宣讀完畢113年度中央政府總預算案決議個案書面報告已送達均予以被查提報願會本日會議進行人本交通及交通安全實行狀況之類專題報告請交通部陳部長報告 |
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主席、各位委員、女士先生今天應邀至貴委員會就人本交通及交通安全實施狀況進行專案專題報告,敬請各位委員指教 |
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道路交通安全是全民所關切的重要議題113年的30日交通事故死亡人數為2950人相較於112年減少73人減少了2.4%是近三年來的最低此外行人死亡人數為366人相較112年減少14人減少3.7% |
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是自97年以來的最低的數字114年1至2月的30日交通事故死亡人數為469人是108年以來也就是6年來最低而行人的死亡在1到2月是62人也是從有記錄以來也是民國97年以來的最低 |
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近年來交通部攜手中央各相關部會與地方政府積極推動與執行多項提升道路安全措施包含實施道路安全道路交通安全基本法完成路口改善 |
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行人穿越道退縮以及校園周邊道路改善推動停讓文化修法落實行人優先推動道安總動員平台定期公布道安成效等等的作為為了強化 |
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行人安全與防制交通事故交通部於114年推動道安三件政策持續推動從工程教育宣導監理等面向推動各項防制作為積極推動人本交通進行行人環境以及道安工程改善工作加重不停讓行人致死傷之罰則以及吊罩的年限 |
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也強化了停讓文化的宣導擴大高齡者社區宣講以及配發反光帽等等的措施以提升能見度以上僅先摘要說明本部所提出的報告重點接下來要請陸正道安司黃運貴司長向各位委員報告詳細的內容敬請各位委員指教謝謝 |
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請黃社長好 主席 各位委員 各位女士 各位先生今天將依序就113年的道安安全防治作為跟114年的道路安全的精進作為做說明首先說明113年的道路安全的防治作為113年的道安防治作為包括完善的道安政策跟計劃及法規緊齋要說明 |
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去年3年1月1號施行的道路交通安全基本法1月25號行政院召開了首次的中央大安會報那去年總共召開了4次那在2月7號核定了國家道路安全交通 |
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到交通安全綱要計畫那5月1號總統公布了行人交通安全設施條例那行人交通安全設施條例的施行細則也以同年的10月1號來施行我們也完成了道路交通標誌標線號誌設置參考指引並且於114年的1月3號含送各縣政府參聚 |
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交通部也辦了七場的公路道路設計相關的技術標準檢討的精進會議來確定交通工程規範還有公路路線設計規範以行人、庇護島、公路照明及市區與公路共線段之短期的精進措施交通部公路局也完成了整體的道路規劃指引 |
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在積極辦理工程改善方面中央補助地方799處優先的改善入口截至今年4月底為止已完成了798處那交通部公務局轄管省道入口完成了2978處入口改善 |
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在行人專用級早開10項全國已經累積完成了5,778處在行人穿越退縮部分全國已經累積完成了2,226處另外在校園周邊道路改善部分已完成了228處 |
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我們也強力加強教育宣導在停讓文化方面停讓文化已經納入了國家道路交通安全的綱要計畫的子計畫對於各項道安觀念的規劃多面向宣導的作為外並透過多元媒體如電視網路、廣播皆同各縣市政府、民間團體及相關單位共同推廣 |
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為持續深化全民的停讓文化同時針對行人事故防治作為進行來先導那交通部也攜手各縣政府跟555家的企業或團體以2013年舉辦全國交通安全月主題為停讓行人共辦理了11場實體活動亦有同步使用網路電視等推廣 |
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在提升高齡到安知識方面我們結合了陸老師及跨機關資源進行交通安全的宣導深入社區林嶺與偏野地區 |
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我們也編制了營法族的交通安全手冊113年加印了27萬冊跟大型車視野死角以內輪叉掛圖分送給高齡長者及合格路老師教師使用亦將手冊電子檔上傳於交通部的168交通安全路口網 |
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為增進兒少的安全智能交通部積極加強兒少交通安全教育及先導依照兒少相關交通議題及時事製作多元主題性的檔案文宣另辦理校園交通安全行動劇共試場由專業的兒童劇團演出將學生應學習的交通安全觀念融入劇情中以寓教於樂的劇情演出讓學生們邊看邊學 |
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我們此外也製作了低中高年級適用的懶人包並將懶人包內容陸續轉換成線上的闖關小遊戲交通安全保衛站低中年級版的已經在去年12月跟今年1月分別上線 |
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那一高年級版是預計今年6月份推出那交通部以教育部至110年學年度起實施高中以下各級學校交通安全課程模組也就是所謂的五階段課程模組 |
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在強化監禮作為方面進行了法令修正113年10月31日起 已按駕駛人的違規程度分級恢復換發短期駕照 受吊銷駕照禁考6年以上 受吊銷駕照 |
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進考未達六年重新考領受調控駕照一年以上後調控駕照未達一年者分別核發後換發效期一年、兩年、三年後六年之駕駛執照並應接受道路交通安全講習、截清交通罰環且統一綠定需以六年觀察期內無再受調控駕照處分方可依規定換發一般駕照 |
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配合行人交通安全設施條例修正的發布道路交通安全規則部分條文相關行人優先區規定自113年10月1日起施行強化運輸業管理為加強汽車運輸業落實入口停讓行人交通部公路局以透過教育訓練、公司查核及入口稽查等措施督導客戶業者辦理 |
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由各區監理所致公司查核確認各業者教育訓練辦理情形那交通部公務局業與地方政府合作以重要入口辦理監警聯合稽查113年度共辦理了1518場式的入口稽查那針對貨運商業及遊覽車客運業駕駛人定期透過違規挑檔挑出 |
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高違規駕駛人每季召回參加各區監獄所佔開設之交通安全教育訓練專班113年開設32班調訓了624名駕駛人加強駕駛訓練方面我們強化汽機車筆試提供的鑑別度自113年3月12日起掏太除了無鑑別題目那113年6月5日起機車筆試納入危險感知影片試題 |
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配合機車駕駛訓練新增實際道路駕訓需要增訂合法機車學習駕照規定在強化社會溝通及協助地方政府機制部分113年6月24日道安總動員平台上線來強化社會的溝通及管考機制提升揭露資訊的完整性也提供民眾通報入口改善的建議 |
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3226.625 |
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除每年提供縣市診斷報告提供研議防治作為參考外令交通部運輸研究所亦透過大安提升行動小組協助成效落後縣市診斷改善並以每月的縣市大安匯報聯繫會議或是中央大安匯報督導 |
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3246.568 |
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大灣成效不佳縣市進行簡報每月定期召開大灣記者會公布將近30日死亡人數統計並呈現縣市大灣執行績效以工程改善成果那接下來說明114年大灣路安全的精進作為 |
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交通部於114年更新具體強化人行交通安全以事故防治也正定了114年交通部道路安全交通安全推動計畫跟道安三界的政策來持續提升道路交通安全 |
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有關道安三件方面第一支件為增加入口停止線及行川線的最小進去將停止線與行川線同時設置之進去至現行的一至三公尺修正為二至三公尺為原則願以一百一十四年三月二十五日預告修正草案三十天並以四月二十四日預告期滿目前正會診各界的建議辦理相關法制作業預計於六月底前修正發布 |
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第二支建為省道路口照明改善路口照明改善我們會以路段為黃光路口改為白光為換裝的原則推動路口照明雙色溫示範案以光害影響無疑環境條件下示範讓行人通過路口時更易被察覺 |
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第三支建為汽車隔熱紙透光力的改善汽車車窗及擋風玻璃連貼隔熱紙的明暗程度對於駕駛人的行車視野辨識及操作能力皆有關聯未來將納管汽車玻璃隔熱紙可見光透光力實施規劃朝提供安全指引 |
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4年3月啟動了研擬安全指引的相關資訊目前持續與相關單位跟利害關係人溝通並臨近共識預計在6月公布安全指引 |
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在工程面我們將持續推動永續提升人行安全計畫我們篩選出四項的重點推動項目及年度預計要完成的目標包含入口行人安全設施改善1316處人行道改善長度120.75公里減少入車障礙物703處以及完成校園周邊及行車安全道路159處 |
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持續推動省道交通工程的改善作業交通部公務局持續針對轄管的省道推動5000處入口的工程改善400處入口的照明強化減少130處的路徹障礙物以及6公里的人行道改善作業來提升省道的整體道路安全更新完善道安政策計畫及法規 |
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交通部持續透過公路道路設計相關的技術標準的檢討進行會議確認交通工程規範、公路路線設計規範修正條文的可行性另外也辦理了道路交通標誌標線號誌設置規則參考補充指引複雜情境的範例及通盤檢討計畫 |
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3449.871 |
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在教育宣導面根據不同目標族群依其特性設計文獻及精準投放媒體通路如高齡者偏好電視年輕人常使用網路社群運輸業駕駛員透過廣播接受即時入況訊息等以下就不同的目標族群規劃辦理說明 |
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3452.513 |
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3467.555 |
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強化兒少安全我們預計在110年5月底完成交通安全保衛戰高年級版的懶人包跟遊戲以系統性的圖文及互動遊戲從小培養兒童交通安全重要的基礎觀念 |
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3485.529 |
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113年推動國民小學通學交通安全影片計畫規劃由國小學校依取校園周邊學生通學道路的特性輔助自行自拍以步行、自行車與家訪接送為主題的交通安全影片 |
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3510.712 |
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增強高齡安全我們要持續培訓及精進陸老師計畫做互動式的交通安全宣教加強社區與偏鄉宣講在4月已完成的反光棒球帽設計圖稿預計6月底製作完成後分送民眾期盼透過佩戴反光棒球帽強化行人濃健度提醒所有用路人 |
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維護行人安全我們積極的形塑停讓文化落實車輛停讓行人及停讓的正確用路觀念將加強使用廣播後網路社群通路觸及駕駛人以強化的停讓觀念那9月份我們會舉辦交通安全夜我們設定了車輛停讓行人為主題來結合縣市宣導也鼓勵民間企業團體一起響應 |
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建立交通安全教育園區去年6月18日啟用了新竹區監理所桃園監理站全國所作監理站交通安全教育園區提供民眾以封閉區域體驗實際道路情境及體驗的互動學習台北市所、志嶺站、台北所、嘉義所、雲林站及高雄所等四個監理所站目前正在興建中預計在今年度下半年陸續完工啟用 |
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3570.677 |
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3585.303 |
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在監裡面嚴厲加重不停讓人不停讓行人自然死傷罰則所涉道路交通管理處罰條例第44條第67條修正草案以違反道路交通管理事件統一罰則 |
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3613.239 |
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裁罰基準及處理細則第二條附表修正草案將致人輕傷逾七千兩百元提高至一萬八千元重傷後死亡一例以最高額三萬六千元處罰致人輕傷延吊扣駕駛執照一年檢討延長為吊扣一至兩年致人重傷後死亡吊銷駕照延三年不得考照延長為四到五年不得考照 |
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3628.492 |
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在運輸管理業管理部分 持續加強汽車運輸業督導所屬駕駛人落實行車安全 向業者宣導及要求落實針對貨運商業及遊覽車客運業高規規駕駛人檢討專案調訓機制以及在5月底邀集相關單位共同研商討論精進方案 |
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也辦理推動汽車運輸業建立系統性安全管理制度推動汽車運輸業者自主安全管理制度研議依不同的公司規模要求應由安全管理部門及後負責專責安全管理人員或兼任安全管理人員 |
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實際提升辦理機車駕訓補助與道路安駕訓練參訓人數機車考照前EA報名時危險感知評量新增加體驗項目提升考生辨識危及行車安全時儘早採取必要措施避免發生危險能力各陣審定機車道路訓練路線規劃事辦考前道路訓練及提供參訓補助 |
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我們會持續資訊公開 道安總動員持續每頁公布事故數據及工程改善前行也會持續每頁召開道安記者會並新增限制分享道安作為 |
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交通部114年積極強化行人交通安全與事故防治將透過推動道安三支建政策及道安與交通設施改善提供友善安全之用路環境並透過文宣及媒體強化駕駛正確的用路觀念建立良好的用路文化 |
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交通部將持續與中央相關部會及地方政府通力合作並與民間企業、全體國民共同參加達成2030年降低整體與行人死亡數50%之目標以上報告敬請各位委員支持指教謝謝 |
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這一部所送書面報告 請各位參考並列入紀錄 刊登公報現在進行詢問 先宣告以下事項因為今天登記的人數很多 人本交通大家都很重視 所以請大家 |
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遵截時間 宣達時間出席委員5加1分鐘備席委員4分鐘那我們也請每1分鐘再響鈴一次提醒大家委員發言登記於10點半截止各委員如果有臨時提案請於10點前提出以便醫事人員會診暫定10點半休息10分鐘總委員則上不休息 |
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現在請登記第一位委員 洪孟凱委員發言主席謝謝 麻煩請陳世凱部長請部長部長 |
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委員好本席注意到禮拜二的質詢那禮拜三嘉義市政府也先開了記者會說是最好的母親節禮物但沒想到不到半天的時間馬上交通部又出來開記者會說院長是口誤 |
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院長當時在備詢的時候你有沒有在旁邊我在旁邊你在旁邊那如果院長口誤部長了解的話那從頭到尾的那個質詢裡面有沒有提醒院長說這個是口誤報告委員當時是因為在答詢的過程最後幾秒鐘院長這樣子回答所以有沒有提醒院長說是口誤 |
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當時因為是最後要結束的時候院長說了這句話所以來不及有來不及嗎後面的時間來我們看一下院長其實講蠻長的院長直接講說中央可以負擔372億院長親口講中央可以負擔372億沒錯嘛我們現在在問的是我們現在在問的是說你也在旁邊是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
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一個是行政院長 一個是交通部長兩個人都是我們交通最大這一個是院長 一個是部長結果在立法院接受總執行備詢立法委員的詢答的時候親口講說中央可以負擔372億那你也沒有覺得說有任何的問題也沒有提醒說院長是講錯了那是代表是說你們兩位都狀況壞嗎 |
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不是 那不是的話為什麼會 院長講了373 那現在請教院長說要給 交通部是不是不同意 |
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3945.742 |
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所以讓大家覺得是說這可能是史上最大的詐騙案370億的詐騙案不過最快破案因為不到一天的時間馬上改口各個縣市的交通運輸尤其是輕軌跟捷運我們在100年的時候有公布了一個要點補助跟施作的要點我們全國都是一致性的原則這個不會改變 |
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部長知不知道這個嘉義輕軌到底過去到現在的一個歷史脈絡知道我想你應該很清楚嘛是因為之前中央就曾經承諾過是說要全額補助嘛那2022年王國才部長你回去看資料啦如果說要再這樣子硬凹的話就真的是太不好看了 |
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2022年的時候我們交通委員會也有去嘉義市考察那那個時候王國才部長也有提到這個是正式的新聞稿你也可以找到相關資料王國才部長有講過是說如果說現在嘉義市是BRT但是要轉成輕軌運量如果說有足夠的話可以來支持 |
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3983.473 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
3998.631 |
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中央可以來支持支持 是支持是補助的意思所以到目前為止比如說新北市的輕軌中央也支持部長你現在又要反質詢了是不是我沒有反質詢我是跟委員報告難道我在這邊不用向你報告嗎來啦 部長所以本席想要請教一下啦 |
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本來以為我們真的可以在交通委員會也好或是說在院會也好看到建設不分藍綠縣市只要對的事情大家能夠支持所以當院長講到中央能夠負擔372億不到一天的時間居然是由交通部出來開記者會澄清那院長要不要為他的口誤來說明跟道歉這個部分我來道歉是幕僚提供的資料讓院長誤解了這個部分我必須道歉我昨天也道歉過 |
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好所以是院長口誤院長講的話然後部長來幫忙洗地這個我必須要道歉因為是幕僚單位提供的資料讓院長誤解了這個我非常我們還是期待的是地方的建設中央能夠更關懷跟入治了解我們整個地方的發展啦憲北的條件跟嘉義的條件都是一樣所以我只要喊我只要講 |
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新北也好 嘉義也好 北中南東我們都希望中央能夠看到我們各地的需求來 我想請教一下自由時報今天有一個頭版頭 我覺得很不錯交通部說早推綠燈5秒到10秒的這個號誌是 非常好 |
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兩個部分行人專用實項跟行人早開事項的一個部分那現在我們有沒有比較具體的規劃因為我看了裡面講是說縣市有獎勵跟補助那補助的一個金額跟規模 |
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說明一下我們有分三組直轄市是一組那非直轄市的部分我們有1000個入口有號誌的入口1000個以上跟1000個以下分兩組所以我們總共有三組那前兩名的部分就是推動前兩名的部分我們會有一些補助的獎勵 |
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多少錢啊我現在看到有十五萬十萬十五萬你總共那是獎勵的金額來部長所以說總共在這個計畫裡面你直轄市兩名一個第一名十五萬第二名十萬縣轄市是非直轄市是十萬五萬所以你總共花四十萬元那真的是很 |
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很偉大的政策本席必須說如果說因為本席我先講我的態度我是認同的因為行人如果說綠燈能夠找5秒到10秒的話行人先行因為有很多車輛是要右轉右轉你就會卡到如果說行人能夠先站上斑馬線要過馬路的時候他就可以先通過那未來很多的行人也有很多的駕駛也有提出來是說當 |
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這個綠燈的時候 這個行人的號誌能夠也先變成紅燈讓最後有5到10秒的時間 駕駛也可以來右轉 對不對就不要車人相爭道嘛好 那這個做法我支持啊那可是你現在只有提出來說獎勵的部分就是前個 前兩名的縣市一個15萬 一個10萬 |
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報告委員路口的建置如果需要經費其實內政部跟交通部都有另外的補助方案這個只是針對說如果你可以增加的數字多的話我們給他一個獎勵的機制沒有錯我現在講的是說因為你還有提到達成目標有獎勵跟補助嘛 |
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那我們現在講說獎勵的部分你是要預計花40萬如果說真的40萬能夠讓所有縣市之前都知道該做這件事情但都沒有做結果現在我們的陳部長只要花40萬的經費就可以達成這樣子的一個 |
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目標的話那也是非常了不起的一個成就但另外一個部分另外一個部分你要怎麼樣能夠鼓勵我覺得比較實質的是怎麼樣改善各路口其實本期今天提出來是看到目標很好我想要請教的是你實質怎麼做能夠讓各縣市真的來去做這件事情 |
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有沒有跟各縣市交通局開會過有 我們都有跟他們開會然後也有鼓勵他們必須要這麼做也跟委員報告其實我們之後當然還會再要求跟拜託啦因為地方政府要配合我們才有辦法做到那也跟委員報告其實我們在之前目前以行人早開實項跟專用實項目前我們已經完成了六千個入口已經完成了六千個入口過去在沒有獎勵的過程當中已經完成了六千個那未來我們會獎勵我們希望能夠在更多的這個目標可以提出來 |
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所以未來希望能夠達到多少目標我們目前是希望能夠推動1700處1765處的樣子在今年年底嗎在今年年底之前好我們來看一下你的執行率那還有更重要的是一定要讓國人更了解這樣子的一個號誌的一個用意以及它真的能夠幫助到行人的安全 |
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最後簡單一分鐘我想請教一下因為現在遊覽車要強制加設駕駛的身份設備原本是說是今年的年中就要開始實施但去年也有看到有些抗議那其實我們說實在話我想你們一定要很清楚部長也好 司長也好都很清楚現在遊覽車很多的駕駛他其實靠航比較多所以他自己要負擔那台車的成本 |
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那如果說又再加上的話其實車行是不會去理會的所以變成是說那個價值要自己來增加那現在看到我們的這一個政策可能是要明年一月元旦上路明年一月一號上路我們有沒有相關的配套報告委員這個經費的部分公路局也會提供補助啦就是說有一些是靠行的他自己要負擔那這個部分我們會盡量去補助他讓他的負擔可以減少辦法咧辦法公路局是不是有提供相關的辦法 |
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到目前為止還沒有看到 不能今年四月的時候再講一次但是我們現在看的比較直接的就是說到目前為止你們要怎麼做能夠讓明年一月上路之後真的符合 因為我想安全最重要駕駛如果安全的話大家都很期待但駕駛一定會講是說那這樣子的成本到最後車行也不理然後結果交通部一個命令下來是要駕駛自行吸收跟負擔而且不只是裝一次費用喔每個月還要管理費用 來 |
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跟這個部分跟委員報告一下先行遊覽車已經有GPS的所以車輛的動態系統已經重回來那現在只是加一個駕駛人識別的部分那駕駛人識別的部分有幾種方式一種是這個插身分識別卡我們可不可以直接說明 剛剛部長已經講說你們不是已經研擬辦法了嗎 對對對對那辦法咧 這個 |
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公共總局已經有一個補助這個規定在做這個補助所以因為之前都已經在做補助本來是這個今年7月1號要這個推那後面再調整這個時程到明年1月1號那裡面還包括就是說更大的比如說你除了裝身分識別這個卡之外那另外如果用手機QR code也可以結合這個GPS把家屬的訊息傳回來 |
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這個都在可以處理的一個範圍重點是要掌握一萬四千多全國的遊覽車如果說真的有些時候禮拜禮拜天出遊旺季的時候他可能在各地那我們可以了解他的狀況那還有更重要的是駕駛員不要有這種超時工作然後疲勞駕駛的部分嘛這個都是利益良善但我現在講的還是一樣回歸到你的 |
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裝設的機器如果變成是說駕駛要再來負擔那無形當中增加成本那會不會就是有上有政策下有對策你沒有辦法落實這可能我們美意就會打折跟我報告兩個重點第一個部分已經有補助的規定那第二個部分的話裝完之後在車輛驗車的時候都會去看這些相關設備有全額補助嗎補助應該是百分之四十九百分之四十九 五十一嘛我覺得還是要 |
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部長再了解一下現在的裝機率以及本席提醒現在裝機率以及你只剩半年左右時間如果明年元旦要上路能夠落實還有我之前有提過這一樣的牽連 |
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國道客運上面能夠有雙層巴士之前部長也承諾會研議那我知道市長也已經開過會其實我最主要強調的還是一樣讓駕駛員能夠有多增加收入以及客一台車裡面能夠多增加的一個載客量讓整個交通空污也好可以下降以及交通的這個衝擊也可以比較縮小那現在我知道3月已經開過會了那現在的推動情形咧 |
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跟委員報告三月開完會之後車身規格已經完成草案的研擬那接下來就要做法規的預告所以各單位大家回覆是往正向的看待是用麥克風好不好是包括這個路權還有車輛規格大家都已經討論定案都有共識了我們希望也是一起落實如果可以的話在今年年底以前能夠真的讓這樣的一個政策能夠上路可以嗎可以好謝謝 |
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謝謝我們請李昆哲委員謝謝 請一下陳部長還有陳文睿局長黃英貴市長 陳部長 陳局長 黃市長還有陳市長 |
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部長好 交通部在今年的二月有提出道安三件那最主要是擴大行人穿越線以及車輛停止線的進去還有要改善路口的這個行人穿越道的相關的一個照明那還有推動汽車隔熱紙透光率的管理升級 |
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剛剛聽相關的官員報告那我們看到除了擴大行人穿越線以及車輛停止線的進去有初步的規劃之外以及相關的時程那改善路口行人穿越道的這個照明好像是在規劃當中而已還有推動汽車隔熱紙的透光率它的管理升級的部分好像只是在對話的階段看起來這道安三件 |
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好像只是在跨板而已只是在跨大餅而已還沒有真的看到建來 部長說明一下你們大安山間具體的時程是怎樣報告委員您剛剛說的行人穿越道的部分我們在6月底之前會完成修法並且有發布這個部分是有確定的時程那另外入口的這個照明的部分我們省道優先來做改善 |
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我們希望在第三季之前完成100處的省道的路口的這個照明改善年底之前完成400處那目前我們已經完成13處所以照明的部分我們自己省道先做不過我們也跟地方政府有在開會在研討如果他們路口需要改善我們跟內政部都會一起來協助他們需要補助的話我們也會協助他們不過有些路口確實是地方政府他們要去協助的這個跟委員報告 |
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那另外針對隔熱紙的透光率的部分我們在6月份就會有一個指引出來這個指引就是告訴大家說我前檔未來隔熱紙能夠貼百分之幾的透光率跟側檔的部分要貼多少的隔熱紙的這個透光率這個部分指引我們6月就會很確定會出來那明年也就是115年我們會來落實法制化法制化之後就會強制要求大家一定要這麼做 |
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好 具體的時程必須要讓社會大眾能夠清楚知道大灣三線相關的規劃以及計劃的時程那我們針對一肇事路段的這一些道路改善的相關的作為那我初步的建議就是我們要逐年來盤點各縣市的肇事熱點 |
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來進行優先的一個改善另外針對現有的這些道安的問題要進行風險因素相關的統計跟分析而且我們針對有些縣市做得比較好的我們要找出它有效的改善作為來納入改善的範本部長簡單說明一下 |
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好 報告委員 我們目前的路口改善優先確實是以委員所指示的就是用熱點 就是依照式的路口 我們優先來改善那過去一年其實我們也完成了許多的路口的這個改善那未來還是朝這個方向 這個沒有問題 一定會照做那另外 比較有成果的縣市我們其實在道安的總動員的平台都有揭露出來然後我們也會去了解說 他到底為什麼會做得特別好 |
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因為我們針對一照四路段我們必須要初步的一個檢視然後來督促地方政府來做改善如果他沒有改善的這些項目要列入改善的一個目標更重要我們要滾動檢討這些改善的項目以及他相關的成效 |
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部長我們繼續來討論剛才也有相關的報告提到說我們以2024年跟2023年的死傷人數來做一個統計那總死亡的人數是減少了2.4這是部長剛才有報告但是死亡的人數雖然是略有下降但是 |
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部分的死亡案件是增加的那包含青年的死亡13到17歲還有大型車事故導致死亡以及大型車導致行人死亡的部分還有追撞事故還有營業小客車這些導致死亡的案件它其實是增加的受傷的人數總受傷人數 |
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雖然2024跟2023年來比較減少了2.8但是相關的高齡者以及高齡者機車歧視高齡者入口事故的受傷還有少年自行車的受傷人數都是增加的這個部分我們來看其實有個擔憂就是說長期的趨勢來看 |
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兒童跟少年還有自行車高齡者的入口路段其次事故的受傷人數是增加而且大型車造成死亡事故造成死亡也是增加的就是說我們來看交通安全好像在這三面是一個很嚴重的趨勢就是說兒童還有高齡者的入口的事故 |
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還有電動自行車尤其是青少年的電動自行車所造成的事故另外就是部分的大型車還有營業的車輛他駕駛習慣不良所導致的一個事故 |
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來 部長這個部分讓你簡單說明一下我們針對這個趨勢有沒有初步的作為跟政策包委員我們針對預兆式或者是說高風險的族群我們其實部裡面也都有在做研究看要怎麼樣去做一些改善包含高齡者我們剛剛在簡報裡面有提到除了陸老師的這個道安的教育之外就是包含他的那個棒球帽反光的棒球帽等等的提供我們會盡量來協助 |
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那青少年的部分確實我們在這幾年有觀察到電動自行車的事故有特別多那這個部分我們未來也會研議看要怎麼樣去做一個宣導或者是做一個管制那大型車的部分其實我們針對高違規的這個駕駛人我們有個專案的調訓也就是說把它調回來再重新訓練那這個過程我們從112年一直到現在已經累計有調訓了1220名的駕駛人 |
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那我們調訊完之後我們發現比較不會再違規的比例有百分之八十幾也就是說這樣子的調訊確實是有效果那未來我們還會再加強就是說針對這個大型的車輛 |
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如果未禮讓行人造成死亡的話我們除了調訓駕駛人之外公司的管理人或者負責人也必須要調訓部長我們有幾個數據其實是很嚴肅也讓我們非常擔憂我們來看啊入口的事故啊不管是闖紅燈或是未使用方向燈或者是沒有停讓這樣的案件其實也是持續的增加那警政署的報告啊入口事故的主要肇事人啊 |
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98%都是駕駛人那主要原因就是闖紅燈還有衛衣規定使用方向燈它的件數都非常的多那這個部分有沒有具體的改善的一個方案報告委員這個部分當然也要拜託警政署在執法面盡量讓我們的駕駛人要有所警惕那當然宣導面的部分交通部會來努力這個相關都要 |
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更具體的政策對話出來不是只有希望警政署能夠加強執法而已我們針對相關的這些路口的相關以及依照式路段路口相關的這些改善的具體措施耗制等等都必須更明確的讓駕駛人能夠遵守另外 |
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我們大型車的事故也是非常的多那當然是部分的駕駛他的駕駛習慣不良不好導致死傷者的事故也是持續的增加不管是大型車事故導致死亡或大型車導致行人死亡 |
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那2024年警政署為統計大型車的事故高達22萬1482件造成的傷亡不管是大車大貨車連結車造成的傷亡都是增加的這是一個讓我們很擔憂的這樣一個趨勢 |
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那針對駕駛這種行為啊他的這種不良違規人進行駕駛行為的改善訓練是一個很重要的啦那當然我們要強化改善駕駛習慣這個宣導這個宣導是非常重要另外在教育方面我們有大安講習的這些班別 |
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那目前大概有六個班別那我們針對危險駕駛的行為這種違規是不是要開設危險駕駛行為的相關的講習課程或是在現有的班別中也把這種危險駕駛列入相關的課程來說明一下 |
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報告委員我是不是可以請好來局長公務員報告講習的這個部分有需要的話其實講習專班沒有問題那一般來說其實對於這種大型車輛的這個高風險我們都會去看他的違規比如說超速啦闖紅燈這些我們都特別調訓所以那個不是在講習那個在一般的這個業者的調訓包括駕駛人跟這個公司老闆其實這個部分我們都會來這個加強 |
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你有加強但是他還是明顯的違規這個部分我們必須要加強相關的教育跟宣導另外最後一分鐘啊這個很好用最後一分鐘交通改善其實看到各縣市落差非常的大 |
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那交通部應該要加強督促那有些啊這些改善成效不彰的縣市要怎麼去督促還有交通部有沒有更具體的方式去協助這些地方政府找出相關的原因協助地方政府來做改善有些縣市有改善的成績有出來但是有些縣市我也不點名那其實這些交通部如何去督促這些地方縣市政府 |
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報告委員這個部分我們除了會跟他們開會之外我們在那個道安的那個匯報裡面也會請他們來說明跟報告他們未來要改善的這個計畫是什麼那我們當然技術面協助那如果入口改善需要經費我們也會協助那也會給他們一些壓力有些縣市做得不錯他改善的項目以及成效也可以列入這些改善的範本 |
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讓各個縣市來可以做交流 可以做對話 如何提升相關的交通安全是 我會請他們來分享好 以上謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝我們請張祺凱委員 |
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行政院怎麼可以說話不算話出爾反爾欺負欺騙我們嘉義人 |
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行政院長我看你打醒的時候你也站在旁邊啊你們兩個很清楚的表達嘉義爭取多年這個輕軌工程會三百七十幾億中央是要承擔的我們嘉義市政府跟嘉義都已經在慶祝了你怎麼可以再怎麼可以把話都說回去呢你看不起我們嘉義人嗎 |
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報告委員絕對不會看不起嘉義人不是只有行政院長卓榮泰明確對大家宣布耶我看你就要站在旁邊嘛對不對他表示該做啊我們爭取這麼久那你也明確宣布啦報告委員我昨天也很明確的說明了當時我們我先給你看來來當天的質詢狀況是什麼你看你站在旁邊喔時間請暫停一下沒有動的 |
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還有機場線那些其實都是中央複製來興建的把嘉義縣市擺除在外有點不公平是不是可以請你們再努力做一個討論合法然後研議呢這封城款是370億如果中央可以負擔的話這封城款本身的370億而已地方只負責用地會用的0.66億跟嘉義縣的0.94億 |
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好 保定 |
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院長清清楚楚講你是交通部長你要站在旁邊啊這句話不是只有嘉義市人看到的全國都看到的啊怎麼可以再撬回去呢可以反悔呢這是公開的打自己的這個嘴巴第二個沒有更重要更重要院長說真正的癥結卡在哪裡他說用地啊 |
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嘉義縣跟嘉義市政府都講了我們願意承擔這個費用吧一個0.66億一個0.9億我們都承擔啊那問題就解決啊更重要的來我們來看你是台中人嘛台中嘛台中的那個捷運綠線什麼樣出現的報告委員地方出比較多中央出比較少中央你看看喔我統計給你看來所有高鐵的連外的道路 |
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不管是鐵路 後來這個捷運都是中央出的錢啊你怎麼可以漏掉 漏掉 漏掉嘉義嘉義縣市咧 嘉義縣市敢不敢說話報告委員台鐵當然是中央但如果是輕軌跟捷運系統都是中央支持地方來興辦 |
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那個基捷是不是基捷除外基捷是為了機場基捷除外其他的你像台中基捷為什麼要除外因為它是重大工程對不對你剛剛所提到的那是因為國家門戶國家門戶啊嘉義縣市這不重要嗎嘉義縣市很重要啊很重要那你就告訴我為什麼要獨落我們委員您剛剛所提到的台中綠縣地方出的錢也比中央更多啊 |
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是吧然後台北的捷運台北的捷運串接到台北火車站也是跟高鐵站串接的地方捷運系統也是地方出比較多啊全國都是一支的啊單純是地方的像嘉義市也有規劃以後還有幾條輕軌嘛對不對那個地方我們自己來付啊他說橫跨嘉義縣市而且是一個國家重要的 |
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那就是應該比照這個集結來做嘛我再給你看一個部長我當然也跨縣市等一下我說比照集結來做第二個我給你看一個公文94年的公文我先問你現在嘉義輕軌還沒做現在有BRT對不對 |
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當初BRT的錢是誰出的 誰去建的高通伯瑪 跟管境外企業負責的高通伯瑪 對不對BRT是當初是中央做啊 交通部做啊現在輕軌當然也是交通部做啊來 看一下公文當時已經做了BRT啊對啊BRT在這 來來來 保證看公文看公文 看公文 來來來看公文 |
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當初先做BRT是交通部做的對不對行政院94年來合併喔做了一個很重要的宣示喔來你看 你看文詩這個顏柳規劃輕軌的這個事情考量當初的財政狀況跟運需的 運量的需求 |
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當初人比較少嘛現在印量已經增加了嘛太保站那邊下來的人現在跟比南港上的人還多所以他的流量是過的嘛對不對有需求的嘛後面這句話請貴部貴部什麼樣交通部對不對 |
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硬量的成長的情形要適時提出輕軌計畫就是要叫你們做嘛第一個你們現在提了沒有報告委員第二個有沒有叫你 你有沒有說我可以說嗎好 報告委員您大概不了解對行政院來說各縣市的捷運系統都是由交通部提出的 |
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各縣市送到交通部交通部在提出但交通部提出不代表交通部全部出錢這一點非常清楚各縣市的輕軌或捷運都是一致性的所以不要只有看到這句話就擴大解釋中我看嘉義縣市也開了好幾次會啦包括你們協助專家我們都邀請來了現在兩個點嘛第一個這個公文上面清清楚楚要你要繼續像BRT那樣做嘛對不對不要擴大解釋沒有啦沒有你剛剛講的都是後話啦本來有在討論說要不要對不對 |
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現在今天就是兩個點嘛第一個我公文都是給你看的我也給你一次公文啊你一記公文你要做啊對行政院來說當初PRT是交通部做的當初的行政院也叫你要做嘛他沒有叫我們要做啊對啊這是第一點第二點我剛剛講你為什麼不能夠比照機場捷運你是看完自己他不看不清楚機場捷運是因為桃園機場是國門保證現在更重要的為什麼行政院長那如果您這樣說的話我是不是也看不起我們自己台中人 |
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你人家很粗啊 董事長你人家很粗啊是不是啊已經蓋完啦你把蘇國大站起來他們彰化 現在站起來 秀化出來彰化的立委可以幫他們爭取啊為什麼 全國都是一致性的來啦 國立現在統領的來啦 全國都是一致性的部長現在最重要的啦是行政院長清清楚楚在國會跟大家講三八七十日你要出馬 對不對 |
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報告委員我已經解釋過那是幕僚所提供的資料讓院長誤解了這一點我非常抱歉我昨天道歉過一次我今天再道歉一次嘉義人不要你誤解嘉義人要你解決問題嘛那你行政院長宣布當初你當初有問題那一天你就應該數數他這樣講對不對高雄的左營站他所串接的捷運也是中央補助地方出比較多的錢 |
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所以你都去挑一部分你為什麼不挑像季節這樣好了明明就可以幫嘉義嘉義縣市一個發展的而又走不動各縣市的捷運只要串接高鐵都是中央出錢並不是這樣這是錯誤的說法來你再回到剛剛那一頁現在最新的保定現在最新的最重要的嘛行政院長公開講了嘛你在旁邊嘛我就解釋過這是口誤我就解釋過這是口誤 |
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口誤這什麼是口誤呢我們剛剛講依法依公文都可以做的事情為什麼要口誤嘉義縣市爭取這條遷軌已經爭取那麼久了怎麼會是口誤呢而且你只要照那一天的你去承擔你那天講說爭取是用地費那用地費我們就我們來付啊一切照法歸來 |
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依法辦理依法行政我今天這裡看的就是法規啊對不對哪一個法規剛剛講的是公文講的是其他的公文我也跟您解釋過你還是沒有理解啊講法規我們再來談一個比較重要的交通部的2020版的這個運輸政策白皮書就先是說完整城市的這個網際的這個鐵路的運輸網啊 |
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要把高鐵跟台鐵做一個串聯是國家的重要政策之一啊你們要去落實這個事情啊大眾捷運法第13條也明確說大眾捷運系統應該是由中央主管機關來辦理啊所以你本來要依法你就可以這樣做啊現在事情怎麼樣你把我們嘉義漏掉嘛是不是這樣我知道法令上你們一直在鑽漏洞在解釋一個不見得你明明是可以照顧嘉義縣市全國性 |
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統一的原則跟規則我不可能為了嘉義市跟別的地方不一樣全國性統一的規則跟原則就是交通部必須那個是為了桃園機場如果每一個縣市都這麼說交通部該怎麼做 |
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那你讓他如果你認為整個地區的發展都需要你就應該去做啊為什麼不能做呢那您可以修法啊法律已經有啦現在是你自己的用裁量方式啊我覺得你不要你不要擴大去解釋你在依法可以的狀況之下你要照顧嘉義縣市結果你不照顧嘛國家的重要政策也是嘉義市跟嘉義縣的人家生氣什麼你可以做的還有你行政院長公開講的你現在要吃我還我嗎全國一致性原則我們就欺負我們嘛 |
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全國一致性原則我還是要強調全國一致性原則我只要時間不要影響到後面啦我告訴大家嘉義人會爭取到底我們不會被欺負也不會被欺騙啦從來沒有欺負過嘉義人這個都是你可以做的事情那嘉義市民已經在慶祝了落實行政院長講的話我今天更指出來你保證那天站在旁邊 |
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你們的對線你們的諾言要對線不要背信不要欺負不要欺騙嘉義人絕對不會欺負跟欺騙嘉義人 謝謝委員好 謝謝張祺凱委員質詢接下來邀請黃建豪委員質詢 |
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好謝謝主席主席我們請交通部陳部長請陳部長國賢好部長好這個我想各縣市都很需要交通部的資源是是是簡易建設好不好我們先進到今天的主題今天談論是所謂的這個鞋子安全的部分我想部長我也非常的關注交通部的這個臉書是謝謝國賢 |
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部長提過這個所謂道岸三支箭有提到說要來改善這個路口的行人穿越道的照明那在先前的這個質詢裡面我也跟部長討論過是不是能夠把這個行人穿越道的照明把它列成一個通案不要只是用示範因為過去台中市在2022年2023年的這個照明的這個示範的成效也都蠻好而且一般民眾的評價也都很高我想部長也知道那我要問的是說部長在這個李教牧業管單位裡面來講你們只有 |
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以省道路口為主嘛那很多的市區道路我想因為市區道路當然部長好像也會說這是地方政府的這個責任但是我想這個行人安全的道安的部分應該是全國一切的政策所以我要提這個建議說這部分有沒有可能也把這個市區道路口納入整個的改善計畫裡面甚至是說 |
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編列相關的預算不管是由交通部也好或是隔壁的我們這個內政部的國土署也好因為像很多道路除了交通部管之外在這個都市計畫裡面的道路很多是國土署來管但是因為大家想到交通安全當然會覺得主管機關就是交通部嘛那我們期待說是不是有機會去編列相關就像人行道一樣人行道現在各地方都在做 |
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那這大概很多錢這個都外屬於交通部都內屬於國土署這個是這樣分的沒錯就是說我希望說這有一個整體的規劃不要說但錢由誰來支出這是你們行政院各部會去分工這個我沒有意見但是我意見是說既然要把這個所謂的行人安全做好的話是不是能夠有一個很明確的專案把所有的至少大型路口或幾公尺以上路口來把它列入所謂的這個行人安全的到案計畫裡面部長 |
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報告委員您的這個建議很好我們目前所做的當然我們自己轄管的是省道的路口我們會優先來做那我們也透過跟縣市政府的聯繫的匯報裡面我們其實也都拜託縣市政府要去做那剛剛委員有再提醒一點在經費上能不能夠協助其實我們跟國土署在這個行人永續安全提升計畫裡面其實他們還是可以提出申請 |
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這個部分我們都可以來協助那至於要不要在另外成立一個專案我們來跟國土署這邊來商量或許我們可以做一個專案來鼓勵地方政府針對專門針對這個路口照明的部分我們來做一個計畫我們來延商好 部長謝謝因為之前這個行人道案的部分當然是針對人行道那我現在講的是穿越馬路的部分因為確實有很多地方不管是路燈也好還是晚上有的人沒開車燈也好各種有奇奇怪怪的狀況發生我們期待說所有的至少在 |
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一定比例的入口的部分至少在市區也好 省道也好它的照明能夠明確一點 至少讓駕駛人能夠看到那當然我有看到說你這個隔熱紙的透光率的管理等等的 這都是一定的啦我是覺得這是整套的要好好去執行好不好部長好 沒有問題接下來我想這也是最近這些新聞可以看到說一些車禍我想是對於這個行人的死傷也造成蠻大的影響就是說這個 |
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人到車主我跟部長反映一下有的地方是拆了有地方沒有拆那有的地方是自己社區自己裝但是會被檢舉說這個是影響行程通行所以被迫要一定要把它拆掉那有的身障者後來投訴說 |
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依法他們那個寬度要1.5公尺但是這個車主很多地方在做車主的時候他是可能他的寬度長度大概就是90公分或幾公分而已所以讓很多的可能身心障礙者他沒辦法通行那當然我知道很多人裝這個車主的目的就希望大家不要違規停車嘛這是這個台灣很多這個文化的問題那所以這個到底車主的部分是有沒有一個相關的法令能夠去執行這樣一致的去做 |
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因為你這個東西保護行人重點還是要保護行人我們在這個人行道上面我們希望能夠保護行人不要讓車子不管是爆衝也好還是不小心也好衝到上面撞到行人這部分的話不知道在整個 |
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整體的規劃裡面,你們怎麼去規劃這件事情?報告委員,我所知道的是國土署這邊已經有做相關的規劃,也有參考日本他們的模式,那國土署如果可以提供一些資料的話,是不是可以麻煩國土署? |
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這個部分國土署他們因為比較市區道路比較會用得到所以國土署這邊目前已經有在做討論了我們所知道的是這個樣子我們看一下下一頁其實確實啦各國有我們的自己的路源設計規範有美國的設計規範也有日本的這個交通安全的對策範例可以請國土署回應 謝謝 |
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主席委員那針對這個車主的部分其實就剛剛委員講的其實社會有不同的需求那從避免車子上人就來看是應該要做那目前我們有針對其他國家針對車主的強度 |
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就是說車主設置的強度我們現在在訂一個跟地方政府會檢討出一個設置的規定那第二個問題是剛剛委員所提的說到底哪裡要設那這件事情會比較牽涉到基本上我們是比較贊成在路口轉角都把它設起來因為避免車子上 |
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但這一塊是在台灣的民警上面有一些路口的店家或者通行的需要要克服那這個可能還是要回到個案去檢討會比較適合一點那在路口的左右兩側我們會優先推動去設置來保障行人跟車子的安全這樣 |
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因為現在現在已經有所謂的路源設計範例我們現階段就有這東西那美國也有日本也有各國都有這相關的東西我是說我們現在參考的車主的部分那我先確定一下所以車主原則上我們是往要裝的方向做只是要裝什麼樣的材質什麼樣的規範還沒討論出來是這樣嗎 |
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應該是說車主本來我們現在在推旋轉線退縮那入口本來就會空出來那空出來的部分本來就應該用車主跟能幹去做那避免車子上去是車主本身強度的問題那就是工程設計那要不要設我們是朝向要設的方向在推動那這部分但是因為入口店家各方面比較多我們有一些部分需要地方政府跟民眾來溝通跟客服這樣那這個大概什麼時候你們會有比較具體的方案要多久 |
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車主本身設置的部分我們在近期就會有一個比較明確的規定把國外對於車主強度設計的東西引用進來那設置的地點這個本來就可以做是持續在各個工程裡面去做推動 |
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但是他們沒有辦法說一致性啦就是說每一個路口都去做那這件事情在目前來看是會有一點點沒關係我的意思說當然各地方啦知道說執行就是地方政府執行嘛那我說你現在會有一個比較明確的規範出來是什麼時候會有規範出來那各地方政府不管預算也好或是去執行也好我們現在就是說變成現在各地方政府各自各自各各自有的是水泥有的是塑膠有的是別的有的是鐵條那今天 |
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不管內政部也好還是說交通部也好是會有一個明確的規範說以後用什麼樣的材質在什麼地方多大如果要裝會有這樣的規範出來跟委員報告不會有材質的規定會有強度的規定好什麼時候會有我們在最近這一個月會請地方政府來做討論跟檢討那基本上會先引用國外的規定好謝謝主席謝謝謝謝委員 |
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謝謝黃建豪委員質詢接下來邀請徐富奎委員質詢謝謝主席 我們有請陳部長請陳部長 |
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我剛剛看了一下我們剛剛有國民黨跟民眾黨的委員提到我們這個嘉義市輕軌的這個事情 |
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部長應該在記者會也講得很清楚我想說這是一個幕僚作業的一個疏失但是我想國民黨跟民眾的委員應該不會這麼簡單幫你做是不是請部長再說明一下到底這件事情到底是什麼一個情況好不好報告委員其實不管是針對輕軌或者是捷運系統目前像委員就很清楚在屏東也有在爭取捷運系統 |
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那對交通部來說對中央政府來說我們都是一致性的原則也就是說這是地方主導那中央來補助包含可行性研究這一次的這個嘉義輕軌的這個案子的可行性研究也是嘉義市政府來做也是由嘉義市政府來做所以其實它的主導是由嘉義市政府來主導 |
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那我們中央的角色除了協助之外還有補助這個部分其實全國性都是一致的那所以剛剛不管是哪位委員所提到的我都講一樣的話你像這個高雄的捷運要接到 |
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這個高鐵站要接到高鐵站左營高鐵站的那個捷運也是地方出的錢比中央還要多像我自己出生的都市台中市也是一樣我們的捷運綠線要串接到高鐵站一樣是地方出的比較多中央來補助一定的比例 |
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那所以其實我們全國性都是一致的啦那一天的狀況其實是幕僚準備的那個資料他那個順序的擺法其實讓院長有一些小誤解那這個部分我們非常的抱歉我昨天在面對記者的時候我有先道歉過那我今天也在道歉這個沒有問題這個非常抱歉但我還是必須要謹守一件事就是全國一致性的原則 |
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部長這個要講清楚啦不然這個責任很重大那我們也看到這個國民黨跟民眾黨的委員一手砍預算所以我相信你現在對整個全國的交通的建設你也偷偷聽啦現在我們就要怎麼處理啦所以該怎麼樣一個公平性的處理真的要一個標準就好了我們大家都好好做事啦是沒有錯 |
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部長我想最近這個台幣升值帶動這個出國的潮流那會不會對國旅造成一個很嚴重的一個衝擊部長有沒有什麼意義報告委員這個匯率確實會影響到我們的這個觀光以去年來說去年日幣突然跌了非常的多那我們台灣的民眾就會覺得去日本玩好便宜那寧願出國所以去年確實有大量的民眾跑到日本去玩 |
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那今年日幣稍微比較升值了那台灣的民眾往日本我們看那個數據看起來就會降低一些啦那最近這一兩三天很快速的台幣有一個升值的這個狀況出現那會有兩個層面的影響一個是我們的國人出國會變便宜 |
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消費會覺得更便宜那另外一個層面是其他國家來到台灣旅遊會覺得比較貴例如說美金現在兌換台幣可能對美金比較不利美國的旅客來到台灣他就會受到一些影響那這個部分當然短期之間看不出那個影響可是長時間我們會有擔心所以我會請這個觀光署 |
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密切的關注我們目前進出國的這個數據包含來的這些國家的一些數據如果有需要提供一些補助或者是一些協助的話觀光署會很快速的來擬定方案來協助我們的旅行的業者部長這我還是建議我們還是要把這個拉高到我們行政院這個 |
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觀光產業振興的資訊會議裡面要做一個很詳細的討論尤其在我們相關跨部會的整合上面怎麼樣給予我們國旅業者更多優惠跟補助的方案不能失衡太嚴重這樣真的很危險沒有錯 我們還是希望來台灣玩的旅客可以多一些 |
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部長我想我們前陣子我們交通委員會也有到大鵬灣去考察嗎那我相信部長也很喜歡我們整個大鵬灣的一個環境那現在大鵬灣面臨幾個問題我還是要請部長這邊來幫忙一下部長因為過去這個我們大鵬灣國家風險區設立的時候 |
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制定一個都市計畫的理想性太高了所以造成我們周邊土地的使用強度被拉低造成業者跟民眾投入的意願降低很多目前我們油氣區用地的建壁率只有15%容積率45%要開發的時候還必須要退縮道路5公尺 |
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讓這個開發案困難重重那當然我們目前由一由二由三已經在進行這個BOT招商的一個作業目前進度順利嗎目前官方署給我的回報目前是順利啦所以我們希望說由一由二由三的這個BOT案可以在今年底完成簽約完成簽約之後就可以啟動 |
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那另外除了郵一郵二郵三之外我想我們周邊包含這個郵四到郵八這部分我們也希望我們民間能夠同步來啟動啦因為不能只有我們這個這三塊起來 其他旁邊又破爛也不對啊所以我們應該是整理開發那但是現在面臨的問題是我們郵七郵八過去有提到我們在這個內政部有提到要辦一個勢力重劃但是我們認為這樣比較不可行 |
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影響的層面太大而且時間拉長太長而且涉及到超過一千個地主所以我們是建議說如果說由觀光署來主導政府來開闢有七有八的周邊石流條的道路那這樣子是不是可以讓地主能夠後續再做一個整合我想這個方向部長認同嗎 |
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報告委員,這個部分您有提到過,我邀請觀光署這邊我們再來研議看有沒有這樣的可能性,有沒有這樣的可能性如果可以的話,法令上、法規上可行的話,我們就朝這個方向來推動當然因為我們考慮到我們盆管處的人力比較不足,那如果可行的話,我想我們來協調縣政府也願意來代辦這樣的一個工作 |
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那大家趕快盡快把這個地方來開發那另外我想不然我們到大鵬灣去的時候都說一時吃喝玩樂都沒問題啦但晚上比較沒有地方可以去那我在交通委員會質詢的時候會特別提到說我們這個 |
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大鵬灣的這個夜間觀光經濟的部分必須要加快來速度那尤其像我們鵬灣塊大橋這個觀環境的部分那甚至我想我們看到奧地利有一個布雷根茲音樂節有一個水上劇場那我想我們大鵬灣的灣浴是很適合來做這樣一個水上的一個電影劇的一個演出我想可以吸引很多國內外的遊客那部長 |
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願不願意來促成這樣的一個活動然後把我們東港營網的一個主題可以納入做一個我們的一個表演的一個主題好 包委員我覺得這都是很好的想法跟發想啦那我們當然BOT的案子我們要趕快往前推進那另外就是海上的晚上的一些活動我們其實之前在屏東我們有討論過幾次那當然您所提的這些建議都非常好的建議我們請觀光署這邊來研議看要怎麼協助地方政府來推動 |
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副長那就請光屬一個月之內給我們一個規劃的報告好不好好我們希望能夠看能不能在暑假的時候就可以來實現這樣一個地木居的表演好謝謝好謝謝委員好謝謝徐富奎委員發言接下來邀請蔡其昌委員質詢那在這邊先公告一下就是在林俊憲委員質詢後休息10分鐘謝謝 |
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謝謝主席 請陳部長請陳部長部長早安部長這個前瞻計畫裡面我看了一下應該現在包括現在進行到第五期 |
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那其中啊這個前瞻計畫當中有編列補助地方政府來興建停車場那這個部分我看大概編了41億嗎是嗎前瞻裡面總共編補助地方政府大概編了多少錢 |
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260億第五期啦每一期嘛加起來應該是第五期四十幾億對 第五期四十幾億全部加起來兩百多億那這個到目前為止這兩百多億基本上從第一期執行到第五期大概我們都已經核定要給哪一個地方政府去做哪些停車場那已經現在已經全部都核定了那 |
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部長有沒有考慮就是以現在交通部掌握各地方停車場的空間需求在這五期通通做完之後各地方政府的需求狀況還是存在還是說已經幾乎很少了 |
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報告委員這個部分我們也認為地方的這個停車的需求其實還蠻多啦所以我們目前還有擬定一個新的計畫要向行政院來爭取預算我們希望可以再匡列一些預算讓我們可以協助地方政府來做這個停車場所以部長你感覺我也是這樣覺得啦我認為這個前瞻計畫 |
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這個五期當中編兩百多億來協助地方政府蓋停車場我認為這件事情是很重要因為民眾對於停車的需求這個當然跟過去都是計畫整體的發展都有關係啦但畢竟台灣現在就是這個樣子那大家對於停車的需求特別是 |
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特定地區啦他其實真的有停車的這個需求特別是我們要開始執行對行人友善的這個計畫的時候很多時候他的爭執會出現在於過去停車方便現在可能我們要友善行人所以就導致他不能像過去這麼方便去停車但如果政府又沒有配套讓他有停車的地方那這時候我們友善行人的 |
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社會對於行人友善的這個政策的美意恐怕又會打折又會挑戰又會質疑因為跟他的這個過去的停車方便習慣甚至有沒有空間可以讓他停車這兩者又會牽扯在一起 |
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所以持續的去執行這件事情很重要那部長你有沒有預計在下一個階段就是這個前瞻五期做完之後我們還是一樣打算有多少預算規模要來持續對停車場興建做協助 |
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報告委員我目前是在跟行政院爭取60億的預算希望能夠再多匡列60億的預算來讓我們協助地方的停車需求已經在審查了所以換言之可能是明年的預算應該看起來是這樣我希望這個能夠持續來推動因為前幾天我們跟教育部在清水做會刊 |
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那我們也發現現在很多的建築物因為要取得土地並不是太容易所以如果大型的建築物大型的公共工程要興建的時候同時考量停車場譬如說過去我們大甲利用國中禮堂興建那禮堂就在操場的旁邊那禮堂的興建同時讓操場的地下室跟 |
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禮堂的地下室 活動中心的地下室一起同時興建停車場這個其實對於比較難停車的人口較集中的地方其實這是一個很好的方案啦 不然你要再去找一塊停車場用地我看是不容易啦那所以清水有一個大的案子比如說這個叫做要蓋那個室內的自行車館 |
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那我看台中市政府他也在地下是規劃了停車場那我很支持啦我認為附近啦這個住宅林立那停車空間也不是太夠那如果能夠利用興建這個很大型因為這大型停車館大型的自行車館大概他是一個標準的國際比賽的場地那我相信這個預算大概要有10億的規模啦這個館所以他的地下空間一定很大 |
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所以他們提出說是不是要連停車場一起來做那我知道前瞻已經結束了所以我們希望說如果未來還有這個60億的預算我們會來積極協助台中市政府來爭取在清水地區興建這個共構型的這種地下停車場域部長到時候我在因為要先有預算我現在跟你講這個也沒用 |
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到時候預算編了又給這個在黨刪掉我想那也沒用啦所以等預算通過之後我想我們會積極來協助地方政府來將這個停車的問題解決那同時停車的配套解決的好我們對於行人友善這個政策我覺得我們的執行的效率跟速度才會快 |
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這第一個我想跟部長特別來要求也期待能夠這個預算能夠來通過如果我們爭取到預算的時候呢這個部分我們會優先來考慮好謝謝部長那第二個部分我想這個我在去年有提了一個臨時提案也就是台中這個國道4號下來可不可以直接高速 |
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用這個快速公路的方式連結現在的西濱也就是台61線那這個是路網的概念就是說台中市的最北邊台中市的最北邊如果國道4號跟 |
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台61線連結台61線西濱公路就不會成為一條寂寞公路因為西濱在台中一路就是走自己的事情它跟大家都沒有用路網連結的概念所以雖然你走平面道路還是可以到但是我們的概念裡面一個城市快速道路的連結對於交通的疏解城市的發展其實它很重要所以西濱在台中就是一條寂寞公路它跟大家都沒有快速連結 |
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所以本席過去一直希望北邊可以跟國道4號來連結南邊可以跟生活圈的道路就像部長過去在烏日當議員是一樣就是那個沿著烏溪可以生活圈的道路連結但生活圈的道路不是交通部業務所以我就姑且不提南邊的連結所以如果這個可以做一個連結就把大台中地區的最外環 |
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最外環可以把它串接起來那這個最外環串接呢因為其中還涉及到台中港也跟部裡面關係有也跟你業務有關那部長你也清楚知道台中港目前正是蓬勃發展的階段我們不斷的在外移就是不斷的在興建新的碼頭在擴大對在擴大台中港的這個範圍所以呢 |
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表示部裡面預期這個港未來會持續的這個進展發展所以我們事先未雨綢繆因為這個道路就算我臨時提案在交通委員會通過那運營所也提出跟本席回覆嘛說希望對對對說希望請這個高速公路局先啟動掀起評估所以換言之這個一路啊 |
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本席去年一路到先期評估到後面要做到好這個其實還有一段很長的時間所以我的意思是說該做的先做因為你預期台中港會發展預期台中這個城市會越來越進步越來越發展所以這種路網的事先的預估架構跟評估其實相對是重要的所以部長你覺不覺得應該請高速公路局先來啟動這個先期評估讓國道4號跟 |
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61線在北邊可以先做連結好 報告委員目前運援署他已經有做過初步的規劃跟研議那研議完之後認為是有這個需要性的所以我也要請高工局來同意這件事情就是先期的評估我們先來啟動那應該高工局也可以做得到先期的評估我們先來啟動先來啟動 先來做OK 好 那我們就是因為我做了這個臨時提案 |
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運營所也做了專業的評估認為應該要啟動這件事情所以應該沒有問題啦 局長沒問題 這個部分沒有問題好 那就麻煩你們這個對大台中未來的整個路網的建立對台中港未來這個蓬勃發展之後交通運輸的動線其實都很重要現在麻煩大家 謝謝謝謝委員謝謝 我們請林俊憲委員 |
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好 謝謝主席 本席邀請我們交通部陳部長請部長 |
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董事長好部長好部長媒體報導交通部也已經同一開始要來推所謂的行人專用實相以及行人早開秒數這樣的一個設置這其實跟我在台南推動的非常吻合我也認為這個很重要為什麼呢因為路權不能用里讓的 |
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路權不能靠你的道德自我訴求你看這國外的交通耗資沒有看到什麼禮讓行人 |
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只有注意行人也就是這個時間秒數是屬於車輛的或者是屬於行人的你要分開啦例如在台南市的那個的那個永華路跟西門路口就台南的新光三越以前大愛麗智酒店前面那個路口那個路口車輛要左右轉都轉不過去為什麼 因為在百貨公司前面 |
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那你要左轉右轉 斑馬線都會有人在行走所以你就要等下來停下來 車輛要停下來 等行人走過去嘛 對不對但是喔 開車一定會後悔整夜啦這人有危險啦 |
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走路也會後悔走路 所以駕駛就心浮氣躁 是不是這樣所以我認為應該是要把路權分開車輛的時候歸車輛 行人的時候歸行人所以行人專用十項 甚至可以像 就像日本這樣你可以走到對角線去因為行人在走路的時候 就沒有車輛在通行 |
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那有車輛你在執行的時候你車輛通行的時候你斑馬線都沒有人啦這專用實相那另外一個你要推一個所謂的提早秒數啦那這個我認為當然專用實相效果最好那你行人提早專用秒數也可以解決一部分的這樣的一個問題啦只是交通部說有定一個目標那沒有達目標的縣市你要公佈 |
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那如果有達目標的直轄市獎勵有獎金,我看獎金只有15萬,幼嬰夠嗎?直轄市15萬,其他我們還有分兩組15萬這樣這樣,這樣獎勵夠嗎?第二個目標是什麼?目標是什麼?沒有達目標你要公布而已,目標是什麼? |
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7660.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
7684.026 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
報告委員我們有設定一個目標值啦那各縣市其實也蠻配合也蠻幫忙我們在過去已經專用石巷跟早開石巷已經完成了6000處這個你應該要更強有力一點啦你要要求縣市政府如果支持的話我們這個要求的力道會加強力道加強啦因為這樣對改善交通非常有用 |
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| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
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台北市也很嚴重啊你車輛要右轉根本轉不過去啊寶馬縣都有人在走啊那行人走 行人也會怕啊關於到不守規則的駕駛啊對不對 兩邊都不好啦專用石像是最好啦好 另外喔 |
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| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
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我經常提到交通的三一你要推動一個交通政策以前第一個政府的部分有沒有做到第二個就是要求用路人第三才是處罰我們現在有訂一個行人專區行人專區 |
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| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
7750.016 |
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你的專用名詞叫什麼你這個專用名詞啦新人優先區啦你知道新人優先區吧報告委員這個我知道這個是國土署他們去設定的國土署代表人在不在但這個母法是交通部跟內政部一起訂的啦 |
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你的母帕是高東坡跟內政部一起訂只是你在市區裡面人行道是內政部你管那我跟主席建議一下像這個喔因為你今天的主題是那個人本交通這個內政部應該要有相當層級的代表來出席才對來啦 博鳥你們來這邊看一下跟內政部的各方看一下 |
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第一個 什麼叫新人優先區在這個區段裡面 新人最大新人沒有照則 新人沒有責任新人可以走全路寬 整條路 新人都可以走進民喇叭車輛前面有人 你不可以民喇叭第二個 速限只限二十第三 整條路都是他的 人最多 |
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只有車輛讓行人而且喔那個用一點用一些比如減速的減速的材質或路面鋪面全國只有一條路現在市辦就是你現在看到的台北市啦信義區啦部長你這樣還有我們內政部這些組長嘛你看有這些什麼第一個喔你這樣的設計啊 |
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駕駛也不知道這裡是行人優先區啦走路的人 你走路放心嗎因為第一個 你那個鋪面也是柏油路我給你看一下啦你要訂這個法 當時交通部跟內政部合訂這個母法的時候你的立法的原由 理由你就說要去日本 |
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那其實 韓國做得比日本還好啦我給你看韓國啦韓國第一個 他的鋪面不會是柏油路啦駕駛到行人走到 走到這段路就知道說欸 這裡的路面不是一般的路面大樹也會更知道不像台灣 台灣你現在 台北市示範的第一條喔它全部都是柏油路啦所以你開車的人喔 你不會知道你進入一個不一樣的路段 |
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第二個 台北市就是在兩端 個化一個長條形的藍色你如果開過這個長條形的藍色你會知道 你會一直都知道你還在新仁悠仙區嗎現在你跟內政部這個代表說啦你如果要做好 你也要這樣你試試看 我想事情喔你訂這個新仁悠仙區幹嘛 對不對 |
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第二你路面也沒有寫你要讓駕駛一直知道說他行人都雙方都知道我在行人優先區你怎麼會韓國這樣寫他路面標示很清楚對不對路面鋪設材質不一樣所以車輛跟人都知道我在特殊的地方特殊的路段第三他樹線標在地上樹線只有20甚至他還有照明 |
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這個照明這個看不清楚啦 它的路面是整個暗紅色的它不是像台灣只有頭尾兩端畫一個藍色的 中間過來就是柏油路它是整個路段 全部 韓國都鋪這種紅色的像磚面所以看到這個地方啊 駕駛行人都會知道所以你要嘛就不要設 要嘛你設了就很危險 |
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所以這是我跟你說的喔 部長 回到我的觀念你政府要現在訂一個新的規定 沒關係但你政府的工程要先做你的硬體設計要設計就好對你喔 你要把這個納入駕駛手冊甚至納入考試啊不然大家不知道 但是你不是喔我們現在馬上開始要調高罰則了就第三個才是處罰啦 |
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交通部預告修正的委婉道路交通事件你現在要提高沒有禮讓行人的罰則6月就要實施了莫托你知道現在我們沒有禮讓行人是7200你要調高到18000了導致受傷的18000要到36000然後你如果輕傷 你如果肇事最少扣假照一年 |
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比較嚴重的直接吊銷你如果要提高到這麼重的罰則可以但是我說的你該做的硬體工程中央跟地方政府該做的你會把它改得好就像你部長我支持這也是我在北京你推薦的一個觀念就是全時向的行人耗資你改全時向駕駛沒有讓行人這個很清楚你根本不能左右轉 |
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這叫重罰 重罰駕駛嘛你不離讓行人因為我工程做好了對不對但是你現在啊準備要重罰未離讓行人但是在6月要開始實施以前 |
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在你修改你的行政命令 到你開罰中間中央跟地方政府有去修 你就去做一些工程的改善嗎 交通路口的改善其實工程的改善 我們有一個四年四百億的計畫其實這些年 從去年到今年其實好過交通嗎 你數字會講話 你造勢建樹 受傷的人 |
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都有在降低啦跟委員報告另外就是說您所提到的這個修更嚴的這個部分是針對行川線也就是斑馬線是針對斑馬線那其他的部分我們沒有改變只有斑馬線而且是撞傷人或者是撞死人沒有沒有你沒有離讓你就重罰了沒有離讓沒有離讓就是說你在6公尺內你如果車沒停這叫沒離讓啦是不是這樣子 |
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這條適用的規定就是在入口就是在入口當然在入口啊那這個部分的話是在處罰條例現行的裁罰你把他加重嘛然後針對這個受傷跟智能撞傷的部分把他裁罰基準再拉高這個是針對已經撞到人 |
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已經種到 你知道嗎 你是一個分層級嘛 輕生看重生嘛 對對對對 好啊另外我剛才提的 像你既然要推一個新的政策 新人專用區那就把它好好做好 工程面要做好這樣有沒有 要做好 好另外你要對地方政府要求的新人全時向或者是新人早開綠燈 這個要廣泛去推動啦 好好不好好 謝謝 謝謝委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
8210.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
8216.159 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
8217.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
現在休息十分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
8256.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
今天有熱情的一年六月本期出席那你再去買一支 |
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另外針對零讓的不整線的部分我們今年的六月就會完成法律計畫不整線只遭到二到三年期居民居民居民居民居會在六月份開放入口的照明其實我們明年都設定一些KTI的用途這個部分我們在今年會完成 |
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市長 從國內的狀況來看 官方的利益不動的這個案就受到立法院 到我們就受到立法院的制裁 到我們就受到立法院 |
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我還是希望說這個部分可以往前推進那草外甚至是跟老公說他有政治的討論不是只有教育的問題 但是有教育的問題還有什麼 |
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我們希望您的行動會成為確實在周圍內自然看到的文化封鎖的一大部分希望您的工作才會成為一件實際的活動 |
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希望中央市現在的情況下 每次有去療癒然後去處理的情況 例如說外遇的那種 現在的狀態那如果有的話 也要從排除菌的方法去處理 |
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我們必須要看到時候現在的狀況是什麼譬如說國安公司要來補償我們就會希望說 根據國安公司來的經濟非常好 |
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那如果是我們營業者可以說同社他們做到很大的營業上面的損害那或許對營業者也會有很大的影響謝謝 |
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河沙沙沙沙 |
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哈哈哈哈哈哈 |
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8436.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
嗯嗯 |
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| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
8462.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
好久不見了好久不見 |
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8486.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
這間餐廳的餐廳有很多不同的餐廳 |
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8510.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
8511.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
再給我再給我 |
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| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
好 好 好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
8546.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
在最後再拿一片 混著煮的辣椒醬醬醬醬醬醬醬醬醬 |
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鞭筍 |
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好,現在開始開會,我們請陳雪生委員好,謝謝抓委,是不是請部長?請部長部長早 |
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這個電視上都沒有看到你的名字,你面帶微笑正通人和我看藍綠白立委對你都很像沒什麼大的意見謝謝委員恭喜那個高雄飛馬祖航線,謝謝我們召委許智傑召委我們共同努力,還有陳吉邁市長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
這個是藍綠最佳的一個典範、範例所以我昨天也致電陳培宇書記長馬祖還有很多事情我們也希望藍綠共同來合作,這個才很重要上次去高雄飛馬祖好像很可惜我們很辛苦,我在那邊執行台執行了四年 |
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| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
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至於四年好不容易爭取到飛一班才一班當然華信很辛苦他沒有飛機沒有機師在這樣的情況之下你看又燃料油的問題我們都找了中油很多單位幫忙 |
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部長那邊是最辛苦的幫我們努力部長有沒有機會再增加一班好不好我們現在先看運量就是說我們先一班飛飛看如果是運量很充足或者是需求大於供給的時候我們供給面當然就想辦法來增加因為那裡禮拜五的客人飛過去他沒有飛機回來是不是禮拜五飛過去如果禮拜一禮拜二有飛機回來的話這條線才叫完全打通 |
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我們確實很努力在做這件事情,我也知道交通部很努力啦我們藍綠白的立委大家都很辛苦在幫我們馬祖爭取,我非常感謝尤其我們地方政府的王中平縣長還有我們張永江議長特別要我在這邊對部長表示感謝好不好大家一起努力,謝謝另外昨天蒙澳港我們西舉這個地方的工程看似不大,但是非常的艱鉅 |
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它的遊客中心啟用了業局長很辛苦,早上飛過去,下午飛回來把它啟用了但是這個島,我前幾天上島的時候,兩百多個人上去算是非常多的人最近觀光,馬祖不如澎湖跟金門來的預期的那麼好人數非常少所以民眾也抱怨,等於就是做一個旺季的時候才有人去 |
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| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
9006.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
要五六個月,可以說非常慘淡的在經營部長能不能督促豐泥管理署,豐泥管理署就是觀光署這兩個島每一年增加一個景點 |
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9016.005 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
景點,因為阿兵哥有分析領域區等等稍微投入一兩千萬弄個景點出來,讓觀光客到那邊有的走好不好這個拜託部長你記下來好,我們來研究一下我們15號要去,14號要去考察,去馬祖考察那這裡面大部分地方政府都是對交通部感謝 |
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9044.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
9068.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
唯一的就是北竿機場還有一點雜音,何局長今天沒有來拜託部長跟何局長講簡報,尤其是配套措施尤其要注意好不好當然港公司委託港公司做,港公司規劃設計還沒有出來有一些施工的期程不是很清楚 |
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| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
9086.531 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
那麼請他們在簡報上,對後續的噪音、一些交通的補助、對居民造成不便的這些配套,都提醒他注意一下好不好好,我請他們做比較詳細的說明主要是由民航局來簡報請他們做更詳細的說明 |
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9088.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
9100.835 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
還有馬祖大橋,公路局有來嗎今天?馬祖大橋那天我在總諮詢的時候,公路總局委託世西做綜合規劃綜合規劃已經也抱怨了 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
9107.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
9132.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
那麼這個馬祖大橋,在一百年八月的時候還有一百一十一年六月一百一十一年的十二月,那麼綜合規劃抱怨一百一十二年,北竿的這個月裡面講說施工等到這個因為跟北竿機場有關聯嘛,他要等施工的時候再來做評估 |
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| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
9154.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
那麼委託連江線南北塊海大橋的規劃新建的探討報告書報告書,那麼送院目前在被查目前在被審查交通部還沒有接到被查的程序還沒有接到被查的程序,我希望公路總局對這個部分還是緊盯的好不好 |
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9155.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
9183.433 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
那另外能不能請公務總局給世襲一張韓文因為那天提到288億是你們最後的一個算出來的,是不是這樣對,中規的報告我們是288億那麼後續院長嘴巴吐出來300多億370幾億很像這個數字是殷商那邊提出來的我想殷商提出來的數字絕對沒有世襲準確是不是請交通部再韓文給世襲 |
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9184.913 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
9206.139 |
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請他們做個精算好不好可是我們中規裡面市區已經做了精算中規裡面是288億但是他卻採用殷商的報告說300多億300多億跟200多億差很多目前我們也沒有急因為院裡面的初估的評估是要等北竿機場 |
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施工的時候要來討論這件事情但是我們未雨綢繆有一些東西要準備好那局長可以嗎我們會這一個因為那個世襲這邊的話就是說相關的一個計算的部分我想我們會跟他討論那局長你請回齁這些拜託一下好不好弄完以後跟我回報一下齁 |
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風景管理處那個橋子遊客中心,大概延宕了一兩年,都書觀光署能夠盡快把它完成橋子跟大丘的橋端那邊,頭端,那個遊客中心動作快一點馬祖現在工程很傷腦筋,錢預算來了,工程發包不出去 |
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我們的中山國中就是北竿的中山國中發報多少次?發報27次發報了27次27次最後憲政委員會為什麼要妥協?因為發報不出去的話預算要繳回 |
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那這個錢好不容易爭取到手啦這個肉已經到嘴巴口了,你說我們不吞下去嗎所以減相發包,勉強廠商進場所以類似的功能很多,馬祖裡面做功能是非常辛苦所以我拜託就是說 |
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因為還有沙石的問題等等所以交通部這邊當然對我們很幫忙因為有一些是透過小三通的貨船從大陸沙石運到馬祖來因為馬祖缺工缺料很嚴重所以這個拜託交通部已經幫忙了更進一步好不好還有一個問題就是小三通我們通的非常不好 |
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五一長假,你看大陸來了很多到金門去我們馬祖去寥寥無幾,倒是我們去的人比較多現在還有一個就是平潭平潭那邊要飛,平潭的船要直航台北港那當初國安的考慮是國安的考慮是什麼呢?國安的考慮是他們的船過來,我們沒有船過去因為要雙向嘛 |
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那現在我們也大概找了一條船,準備從台北港往平潭那這樣雙向就對等嘛這個部長回去找航港局再研究一下好不好這裡面可能還要跟陸委會磋商因為現在兩岸的形勢非常不好兩岸對峙的非常嚴重因為不是攻台了,現在在圍台嘛,氣氛很不好那我又擔心什麼呢現在台灣很多同胞、鄉親 |
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去大陸比如老百姓這樣去自由行是沒有問題的如果團去的話或是比如說有一些團體去的話可能會被調查會被問話所以他們有些也不報名了就資助不全那陸客來這裡我們也不放我們也不放為什麼呢他來這邊我們都把他當匪諜我們都把他當匪諜可能是不是刺探軍情或是收買我們人心或是搞一些統戰 |
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不會啦,觀光客不會把他當廢諜去年也來了三十幾萬人剛才我跟我弟弟在辦公室還在聊天趕快去大陸,不去的話以後去不了因為人都有這樣的一個心理那我們小兩會目前有沒有跟對方去接觸我們有跟他們接觸,但目前他們沒有比較善意的回應 |
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沒有善意回應,我上次去大陸杭州的時候跟他們聊,他們說他們希望我們小黨會跟他們提出來我們有提啊有嗎?我們有,我們有提好,那我有機會的話碰到他們的這些領導,我也希望能夠把兩岸的緊張情勢逐漸能夠緩和但是希望你們不要把我當匪諜好不好?不會不會啊?等一下用什麼反滲透法,等一下立法院幹不成沒關係,被抓起來關聯一下 |
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這一點拜託部長,能夠在兩岸旅遊的部分這個部分我還是歡迎,還是歡迎他們來我想謝謝部長的協助,那麼就14號馬祖見考察的時候也拜託部長多費點心好不好,你去馬祖因為沒去過幾次嘛好不好,謝謝部長,謝謝好謝謝大委好謝謝洪恩賢、陳書業委員 |
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副委員好 |
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部長早那今天委員會的主題就是針對這個人本交通及交通安全事情的狀況進行尋討那我們也看到賴總統在去年的國慶日的時候也有公開的宣示說要加速提升全國路網的安全 |
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那這個也是我們交通部的一個重點的政策目標那我們也看到部長在二月初的時候的記者會有宣示就是說要這個道安三支鍵就是針對路口的照明還有就是這個停止線的在退縮還有這個就是隔熱紙的透光率等等要來提升這個交通安全那我在這邊想請教一下部長就是說你這樣子的道安三支鍵 |
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預計的就是內容或者是說你要怎樣去落實那預計多久的時間要有什麼樣的可以看到這個成果報告委員針對這個行川線的這個跟停止線之間的距離我們在今年的六月底之前我們會完成法制化那完成法制化之後我們也會請地方政府先去盤點因為有些地方我們雖然過去的規定是一到三公尺 |
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但有些地方政府他們的那個劃設停止線跟行川線的距離可能不到一公尺所以我們會拜託他們優先處理這一塊距離太近的部分會先處理六月份我們法制化之後就會下去拜託地方政府那另外針對這個路口的這個照明的改善我們公路局目前有盤點了400處在今年要來做改善那目前已經完成了13處在第三季我們會完成100處 |
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那今年會完成400處那另外更關鍵的是地方政府我們也會拜託他們也幫忙如果經費上需要補助我們也可以來協助那希望他們也針對他們自己市區的那些路口的照明的部分能夠來做加強那最後一個就是針對這個隔熱紙的部分我們六月份會有一個這個隔熱紙的指引告訴大家說前檔未來能夠貼的隔熱紙的透光率是多少那側檔的這個前側檔的 |
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透光率應該是多少那明年115年我們就會進入法制化的階段我們希望在明年完成法制化的推行那之後就會變成強制性要求大家一定要這麼做 |
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是好那因為一些習慣的改變可能還是需要就是宣導要有一段時間宣導所以我們會先用指引出來對對對因為有些駕駛人就是目前就有針對這個隔熱紙的部分有一些聲音所以我們也希望就是說要盡量的去勸宣導說這個對交通安全的重要性然後也不要說一下子就有罰則然後可以慢慢的去讓 |
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駕駛人可以習慣改善方委員這個部分我們除了宣導之外我們還會顧慮兩個部分第一個就是說我們希望要考量到我們是東南亞國家所以我們隔熱紙其實有它一定的必要性因為我們比較熱太陽比較大所以我們只是訂一個規範多少的透光率以上但不會告訴大家不能貼所以要考量氣候是第一個第二個考量到不要影響到大家的荷包 |
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也就是說我們針對舊車的部分我們不會去要求我們會針對未來的新車未來的新車就是說當我們法制化之後你所簽的這個新的車子來要貼隔熱紙或者是說要換隔熱紙的時候你就必須要照我們新的法規來做 |
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是 好 謝謝部長因為你這樣說明就比較明確因為現在有的駕駛人一看到這個就在擔心說那他們現在是不是還要再去做一個更換或者是說沒有更換就會被罰我們不會要求現在現有的車子去做這個更換隔熱紙的動作因為我知道隔熱紙其實也不便宜不要增加大家的負擔那未來的新車我們就會管制 |
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是好謝謝部長的說明那我們也看到就是說在這個賴總統在參加有關環路那個什麼環路全漁民的這個活動的時候也有宣示說這個全國799處的這個路口要優先來改善所以我們目前看到就是說這個達成率98%看起來這個達成率是可以說是非常滿意可是 |
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以各縣市來看的話彰化縣的達成率卻是非常的低不曉得部長有沒有去了解這個部分報告員當時他確實工程發包上面是有一些進度上的問題目前應該他都已經完成了全部完工了嗎?對 全部完成了 那我們799處只剩下一處還沒完成那應該5月20號之前就可以完成 |
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是好我想說這部分我們也希望就是說中央也可以盡力來協助地方來完成需要改善的這個路口那另外我們也看到就是說運營所在今年就是有公布了這個道路交通標誌標線號誌設置參考指引 |
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當然我們也很肯定交通部就是做這樣子的一個指引可是我們也知道就是說有些道路的規劃就是有的是地方的權責有的是中央的權責所以難免會有中央地方是權不一的狀況所以有時候在這個指引公布之前其實地方就有他們的標線標誌的畫色那我不曉得說像這個圖片中這樣子的一個標誌標線這是屬於地方的嘛 |
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那部長你知道這個是什麼這個應該是他前面有一個圈圈的地方如果你要左轉你要越過那個圈圈再左轉他是圓環啊他一個小小很小的一個圓環對他的他的應該是用意是在告訴用這個駕駛人前面有圓環的意思是 |
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可是這樣子的標誌看起來就是讓網友戲稱為說好像畢卡索的這個比較少見就我們所知這個應該是高雄市政府自己在試辦因為我們看到的圓環是用立體的那個圓環的一個標誌的指示 |
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所以就是說要怎樣讓這個標誌標線可以一致或者是說我們中央的目前這個指引可以落實我想這個可能也是要交通部再做去進一步的一個檢討那最後一個問題就是說有關 |
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這個死亡就是交通事故死亡人數的這部分剛剛部長在做報告的時候一開場就有講到就是說2024年對比2023年的這個死傷的人數總死亡人數減少了2.4%那總受傷人數減少了2.8%可是我們就這樣子一個數字來看就是 |
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針對這個大型車事故導致死亡的人數卻是增加的增加就是2024年比2023年增加了有13.7%所以針對這樣子一個特別的一個車型車種的一個事故我想這樣子也是蠻嚴重的因為即使之前我們為了要降低大型車事故我們在2018年就是有推動就是新車必須裝設行車視野輔助系統這樣子的一個政策 |
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2020年也把它就是納為監理所要訂檢的一個項目可是到今天2025年就是到去年2024年的統計的一個事故卻沒有減少是增加的所以對這樣子一個狀況我們交通部有沒有一個比較新的一個政策就是說針對這樣的交通事故我們要怎樣去調整 |
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報告委員這個教育訓練的部分對駕駛的教育訓練的部分也是相當重要所以對於停讓的這個宣導我們當然會加強那另外針對大型車輛的這個駕駛如果他是高違規的這個風險我們都有一個調訓跟回訓的一個機制我們希望能夠讓他們透過重新的訓練讓他們的觀念能夠更好 |
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那我們現在甚至針對這個行人的這個違規就是不停讓行人造成死傷的話不只是駕駛業者的這個管理者跟他的這個可能他的負責人都必須要來做調訓的部分那我們希望從宣導面也要加強當然輔助的設施要裝但是不一定能夠完全杜絕駕駛人的習慣才是最重要的那這個部分我們會來加強 |
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對 是在上一次的質詢其實我有提到就是交通安全改善就是要四個面向就是四一就是這個監理 法治 工程還有就是罰則就是處罰四個面向所以這個教育的這個部分也是非常重要所以就是說不管是從工程面的改善或者是教育或者是監理然後最後才是罰則所以我們希望就是說這個四個面向都要 |
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就是平衡的一個重視好謝謝好謝謝委員好謝謝我們請魯明哲委員好謝謝主席有請我們交通部陳部長請部長 |
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部長好委員好這個因為今天時間不多直接進入主題好剛剛很多委員也有特別提到事實上我們當然您是去年才擔任交通部部長 |
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那一磅接一磅事實上在過去十幾年來不斷的透過我們道路品質的改善標線標誌的優化甚至有些道安的教育講協不斷的推動但是我們看對於整體的一個事故交通事故來講從100年那一年有31.4萬人受傷到 |
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去年最高點那今年還有52.4萬大概成長了將近超過20萬人受傷那死亡的人數也在上面就感覺起起伏伏的另外一個事故的比例更為明顯100年是20.6萬件 |
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那到了112年最高峰的時候到達了40.3萬件成長比例高達70%那部長你先整體說一下啦因為我看到你有蠻多的發言就針對但是回歸到 |
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事故當然有很多價值因素或者什麼其他的因素都有那你覺得這個比去年來講我們是微幅向下修正你覺得現在大概整個有什麼樣的一個方法能夠更有效的去改善這樣的一個情況跟減少這樣傷亡的數字 |
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您說明一下報告委員其實要改善交通的安全方方面面其實很多事要做我們剛剛最簡單的四個一教育層面然後工程面然後我們執法面監理面各方面我們都必須要做那我們在數據上面看起來確實在一一二年是非常的高那一一三年不管是受傷或者是這個死亡的人數有稍稍的降低那我們當然不滿意也不滿足 |
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我們必須要加快所有層面的努力那也感謝委員其實你也都一直很關注這個議題大家都關注的狀況底下其實我們在今年的數據看起來會相對於過去看起來趨勢會更好一點那我們要做的路口的設置一定要把它先做好 |
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所以我們799處的改善已經先做了那我們省道的2000處的這個路口改善我們也先做了不過後續還有更細緻化的內容要去做那很多啦很多事情其實可能三言兩語講不完好 這個部長其實這個中央地方啦因為地方也負責非常多的一個交通的不管是他的規劃設計執法的一個工作啦但是一個整個政策的一個帶動的一個方向我還是希望交通部能夠有具體的一個方向 |
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第二個我們再把這些事故縮短到在人行道把它縮小人行道發生的交通事故就是人走在正式人行道或者標線人行道等等還發生了事故我們來看一下在過去大概將近10年104年統計到今年的3月將近10年多一點的時間 |
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先看一下總數總件數5700多件就是發生事故是在行人走在人行道上面發生的其實這是很不應該的其中也造成了48人死亡 |
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7029人受傷啊這事故造成的一個傷亡的一個比例啊其實我是覺得蠻高的那當然看他的運劇來分類的話機慢車的比例是最多的機慢車包括了因為 |
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很多是不是因為在人行道或者騎樓停車順便要出入的過程中還是有很多的一個情況發生這樣的一個行人在人行道發生事故這個部分今天營建署有來嗎 |
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蔡組長你來說一下好不好因為我看到你們的一個數字給我的數字這關鍵點就是說我們這十年發生這樣的一個情況然後呢它的背景因為 |
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國土署你們是以人本的基礎不管是投入資金希望在整個道路上面分工上面人本的部分跟你關係比較大那你這邊特別數據說從100年開始到113年13年間我們人行道這是不得了從3200多公里到剛剛你給我的數據113年年底的話到了11000 |
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多公里的人行道所以成長了3.4倍啊成長3.4倍那你要說一下這成長3.4倍對於這個人行道發生事故的話你覺得是主要什麼原因啊 |
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你來表達一下你們努力了半天也成長了3.4倍那人行道發生事故的話還是你說是交通部的事沒關係我請交通部來說人行道的事故剛剛看委員所提供的這個表格其實看起來確實是汽機車行駛人行道所造成的行人的傷亡好那再一個問題你就可以稍微休息就是你11000多公里在這幾年快速成長有多少是標線型的人行道 |
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有多少是標線型人行道嘛就加分之加嘛就油漆一劃下去人行道就多個兩公里大概有沒有去統計有統計標線型的嗎標線型目前沒有統計那你要統計一下好不好好那這個部分我再請部長 |
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我要拜託您一件事啦至少我在桃園跟很多縣市看到這幾年要去突破你必須除了新有新的道路它就有人行道很多老舊的以前已經很有歷史的道路它就是這麼窄啦它真的沒有辦法有時候在水溝蓋弄平整就標線型的人行道就出來了我是不是能拜託您一件事啦 |
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因為標線性人行道剛開始做先實驗性質我可以接受但是如果半年一年以後發覺確實有功能要長久來做行人通行的這個部分我要再拜託尤其從評估從通過的人最多的開始做起來加什麼第一個要不然最簡單是防撞感但是防撞感只是警示作用不太防撞那第二個是防撞 |
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這個欄杆這在這個的部分我建議就是當標線型人行道已經劃設成為固定的能不能從人最多通行的評估開始來做防撞桿或者防撞欄杆這個部分我們希望交通部或是說應該是國土署你們未來補助也針對這個議題下去來幫忙甚至也能夠加入原石如果它變固定的 |
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你要加一個路源時 可不可以朝這個方向來做呢好 報告委員這個部分我們也會來補助地方政府如果地方政府願意這麼做的話在經費上有需要交通部跟內政部國土署我們一起來協助他們好 這個是確實是有需要好的 那我也拜託國土署你要先統計你還是要真的要統計標線型的有多少然後各縣市提供人通行最多的可能學校旁邊或什麼我是覺得要開始去做 |
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那最後一個還是要拜託這要跟地方政府一起努力因為在比較有歷史的道路在過去的房屋其實它的設計都沒有人行道但是透過騎樓來通行的可是現在狀況因為我前幾天有民眾問我說某一條路奇怪怎麼都走在 |
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快車道上面然後我就想其實你應該走在騎樓裡面只是因為時代久遠了騎樓它就蓋起來變店面了所以我是覺得第一個針對於有功能的騎樓要拜託要有補助去做一個整平對於重要道路如果被違建 |
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去無法貫通的我也要建議要鼓勵鼓勵來做至少指標性的這麼多人要通行重點開始去做這就是我個人的一個建議可不可以朝這個政策面去引導一下報告員我所知道國土署他們針對這個騎樓的貫通跟整平他們有一定的預算在補助地方所以可以鼓勵地方盡量做那中央的部分來協助經費的部分我們都會來做 |
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好來大家一起努力尤其標線型希望能夠加這個好不好謝謝謝謝魯冰哲委員的發言接著有請我們許智傑召委謝謝主席我們請部長有請陳部長 |
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副院長好部長好那個他山之石可以攻錯那我是覺得有些當然你看了其他的國家的 |
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畫面你會發現說這個其實我們之前沒有想到所以你可以看到那個剛才林俊憲委員提到的那個兒童專用區那個圖片你把那個image想一下跟我們的就真的不一樣那也許我們以前正好沒有想到說他們我們也可以這麼做所以有些東西其實上我們就換個角度去想看怎麼樣去加強 |
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你看我們兒童交通公園上面這一個是東京三濱兒童交通公園你看上面那兩個圖馬路就是馬路紅綠燈就是紅綠燈那它那個設計是模擬是跟真的一樣 |
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所以你看你在做兒童的從小的交通安全嘗試的教育的時候你就可以看到這個圖他們是很真實的那你看底下這兩個是我們交通部補助的就是我們鳳山的新墻公園跟萬華的青年公園這個也是兒童交通公園你就可以發現有它不一樣的地方 |
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我們都用大人來看孩子你看底下這個,他是一種小朋友的我們大人看小朋友的觀點我們的比例這麼大,你的比例就這麼大事實上小朋友他走到真實的馬路上去的時候你還記得小時候你看到那個很大的廣場,現在長大以後來看,看得這麼小所以他那個小孩子的視野跟視角跟我們大人是不一樣的 |
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所以他如果要給他交通安全教育 你就是要給他比較真實的交通安全教育所以其實在運動公園 交通安 交通公園部分我是希望交通部觀念可以改變一下那之前其實我一直希望說其實你像日本這些三便交通公園 會有很多孩子去玩 |
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甚至觀光客也可以去玩他還要準備一些免費的自行車讓你在那遊玩也好 學習也好他就是很認真 還可以玩所以很多 這個是蠻熱門的變成一個小景點那其實我本來在高雄 我們的高雄機場 |
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現在我們的其邁市長那時候我們有一起在努力現在已經規劃成全國最大的市內親子遊樂區啦當時其實我也曾經提過說有沒有機會用兒童交通公園的概念去設計那當然現在有另外一個不同的概念我們也去推動也不錯不過我是希望說交通部有沒有機會不一定在我家用啦找個地方 |
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慢慢的就是說這個地方你在台中也好啊在台北也好啊甚至我們在高雄再找一個好的地點也好 |
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這個其實我說對兒童教育或者是北中南各都有這個對兒童教育來講他才會擬真也才會真的學習我之前還跟你約請委員去看一個那個兒童的視角你蹲下去你蹲下去再看那個路面跟你站著看真的是不一樣然後再來就是說你兒童兒童視角我們現在視角差不多八八度他們視角可能只有九十度而已越久回 越長 |
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這個有時候我們大人都忘記了小時候那個的感覺所以我是希望說交通部可以做這樣子的規劃現在已經有規劃我們在監理站的部分桃園監理站也會做一個擬真的這個道路的教育設計已經做好了高雄鎖也在做了在哪個點在鎖門部 |
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因為這個我以前有建議過啦那謝謝我們交通部這樣子有幫我們建議採納因為付諸實險這個是好事啊大概什麼時候會完產 |
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高雄什麼時候我們都是目前都是在今年年底會完成年底會完成好OK我們總共會有四個點四個點哪裡就是在士林監理站雲林監理站台北鎖跟高雄鎖都在我們的監理所的有一些這個空地我們會在做設計 |
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我們交通部有採納意見我們也先感謝再來我以前也問過我們交通安全交易車這個在日本其實也還蠻流行的我們交通部也跟我說有做後來有做是什麼呢你看下一張有做的是做這個行動監理車 |
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跟他們的那個教育巡迴教育車是不一樣的性質那當然就是說我們再來檢討這個行動監理車啦行動監理車這個駕照跟牌照的業務這個都有做這個是好事就是說我們讓偏鄉的長輩可以就是比較方便但是呢現在我們要換照對不對換照比如說高齡換照現在大部分也有在思考換照你要讓長輩更方便 |
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所以你看這個危險感知體驗跟那個模擬駕駛我舉下面一個例子你看我會比較直接這個AI的實境這個你們現在也有在做嘛對不對有 |
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就是目前大概有一些這個危險感知的平台對對模擬的實境的一些影片對對對就是這一個嘛這個也是我看那個新聞看到的啦這不是遊戲機高聯換駕照 |
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那將迎接AI的關卡那我是這樣建議啦就是說交通部再思考一下就是說你這個行動監理車如果加入這個AI實境的模擬或者是說AR這個在裡面將來你要讓長輩去換照就更方便 |
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他不用再照去健康檢查還是說有幾項比較基本的需求那我們就把他設計在那個行動監理車裡面那長輩將來要換照我想他就很方便嘛 |
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這個是不是交通部可以考量一下還是我跟會員報告行動監理車因為他就是把監理站延伸所以相關的一些網路設備我們都帶出去高齡患照目前只要做認知功能測驗認知功能測驗基本上在行動監理車上做沒有問題這個更延伸就是說做AI做這個部分目前我們還在做相關的示範並不是說強制說高齡患照一定要經過這樣子的一個關卡 |
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趕快示範成功嘛因為這個將來這個是全世界的潮流這個很必要嘛AI一定會進入你的生活的嘛那如果說這一個再包括行動間禮車再包括長輩的這個換照的AI的這個試驗那甚至再加上兒童其實兒童現在有很多那個像現在那個什麼方程式賽車啦有很多模擬的 |
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這是模擬的 孩子其實這個也可以放時間這個部分其實都可以一起去做思考我今天去講 重點就是說第一個謝謝我們提到的這個兒童交通 |
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這個公園你們也確實有做了這個謝謝我們諮詢總是有看到實質的成績那第二個就是我們繼續再要求希望這個行動監理車可以增加擴大它的功能也許可以適用在老人甚至未來兒童的巡迴交易車也可以一併來做思考好不好好 謝謝好 謝謝委員 |
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謝謝我們現在請何欣淳委員謝謝許昭偉那我們是不是請陳部長請部長 |
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前面有幾位委員在關心我們現在對於整個交通的一些路口的一個改善還有在包括部長你所提到的我們不管是中央的資源要下到地方要協助地方就中央地方一起合作來改善交通 |
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那也有運營所一個指引我只是提醒我們希望這個指引是要有因地制宜的空間而且是正確的方向只要能夠改善交通的我們要全力支持我為什麼必須要這麼講部長來自台中你也知道台中原縣區跟原市區有都市計畫跟非都地區我想這個參差不齊而且不一定道路連貫 |
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那所以在這樣子的一個區域性的一個設置我們的指引我認為必須要有這個地方政府的意見第一個第二個這個指引我希望也有因地制宜的一個空間部長這個你應該同意啦報告委員這個我們會同意啦這個沒有問題我們的指引其實都市跟這個鄉村其實是有不一樣的指引 |
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那每一個地方政府其實我們都一直強調一件事就是因地制宜啦我們有個指引讓大家有個統一的規格跟標準但是在不一樣的路口遇到不一樣的狀況他可以因地制宜去做他的改變只要符合法規以內都可以我只是提醒只要能夠 |
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改善交通我們都全力支持不管在預算跟法規制度面但是呢我們也會碰到譬如說地方上的這個都市跟非都地區那個道路系統或者是他可能呢在原台中市呢他現在12米的都市界位可能銜接到原台中線的時候他可能變成6米或是8米的一個非都的道路喔所以類似這樣的狀況我想不是只有台中市有 |
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其他縣市也一定都會有那我希望呢在這個交通這個道路的安全的設施設備的這樣的設置的指引裡面我們交通部的這個原則也應該要考量到地方的一個不同還有地方區域性的一個交通的一個現實的狀況這部長我是提醒的因為呢我很怕地方政府會把你這個指引奉為 |
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這個唯一的標準那未來在改善入口的時候呢會變成是明明的沒大娘什麼穿在孩子的身上還是說孩子穿大娘什麼就類似這樣的事情發生啦這個我希望能夠跟 |
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地方政府多做溝通啦這第一個為什麼會關心交通因為呢交通是基礎建設那也是要維護我們國人的人身安全甚至的不是只有國人包括國際觀光客我想我們這個行人地域這樣子的一個 |
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封號是國際媒體給我們的我覺得那是一個恥辱我們應該要改善沒錯但是呢我們要維護這個交通的安全那我們就要友善行人那要友善行人那我們要發展觀光部長你也是台中人你如果帶國際友人要來台中你會帶他去哪裡台中啊對啊 |
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台中一中商圈我是比較喜歡去的地方光夜市一中商圈我喜歡吃小吃所以我會帶去那裡我已經不小心給你了一個這樣子的list所以你會這樣子來回答 |
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一中商圈呢說真的我也喜歡去年輕朋友也喜歡去國際觀光客也喜歡去但是以台中來講我們有很多的美景美食還有很多的地方好山好水但是以過去112年我們十大觀光的油氣區的時候我們都還有三個一中商圈草屋道逢甲夜市都侷限在原市區是 |
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到了113年我們只剩下一個一中商圈排在全台灣的前十大而且還在第十名那也都局限在原市區那部長你來自大烏龍海線海線有很多的 |
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美景嘛那比如說高美實地是國際級的觀賞落日的地方人山人海很多人都會去但是我就要跟你講我們提升觀光品質怎麼做第二個我們的景點之間的一個道路 |
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交通又要如何銜接跟改善我知道這是地方政府的事也許你會這樣回答我但是如果站在中央的角度如何讓台灣成為是一個觀光的一個最好的一個國家 |
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讓國際觀光客願意選擇來台灣觀光那進來台灣之後又願意選擇台中來觀光我想這個是中央跟地方大家要一起努力的對不對對沒錯我們也跟地方政府其實一直都有在配合可是我就要提醒你一件事喔我非常肯定也謝謝你譬如說在機場你有這樣子的旅客中心但是呢從機場到高美濕地你知道怎麼搭公車嗎 |
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這個我沒有體驗過,不曉得沒有公車要轉車轉好幾次我們也沒有那個shuttle bus我只是提醒我們可以做什麼那從高鐵站怎麼到高梅斯蒂應該也是要轉車轉好幾次 |
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報告委員其實在交通面我們有台灣好行,觀光署還有台灣好行在各個縣市我們都透過台灣好行去串接景點之間今天雖然觀光署沒有來,但是因為今天在討論交通嘛那我就說交通跟觀光的連結是互相都非常必要的嘛,不僅僅是國人要去觀光 |
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要去景點國際觀光客尤其現在自由行的散客越來越多而且我認為絕大部分自由行的散客那自由行的散客我們要規劃的就是觀光路線跟交通安全那交通裡面的道路系統又如何銜接我們的這個觀光景點 |
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報告委員 我這樣說交通部有台灣好行可以協助地方政府但那只是一部分真正的市區的串接它的公共運輸市區公車市政府要想辦法趕快把它建置更完整 |
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那它的建制的過程當中我們公路局其實也在經費上給予很多的補助那我們也希望地方政府要積極一點不可能全部都靠我觀光署的台灣好行去串接到所有例如說舉例來講台中不可能所有都是透過我台灣好行來串接那台中市政府它的這個公共運輸跟它的客運系統自己要建制起來如果未來我可以的時候我也要請交通部來幫忙台中市政府可以嗎 |
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可以啊可以啊我們到現在你一定可以的啦未來有機會的話我們一定在觀光署的部分台灣好險還是會做所以我們現在可以開始來討論啊部長你也是台中人啊對不對那我是台中在地的立委那我也想為台中這個城市做更多事那我們發現的這些問題我們可不可以先開始來進行我們如何來解決如何來改善 |
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而且觀光跟交通是唇齒相依而且不是國人的人身安全而已還是國際觀光客對台灣對台中的一個印象我們的城市印象不能是不安全的台灣也不能讓國際觀光客認為是不安全的對不對所以拜託部長要全力支持台中那未來我們一起合作好不好以上謝謝謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝喔部長我那一關的T-pass要結合景點就是這樣啦你來當宿客一下啦現在我們高雄做得不錯我們高雄好玩卡做得不錯其他的城市也可以參加啦T-pass可以再加上那個景點你來跟觀光署再結合一下啦所以我已經建議再倒你來參加一下好 謝謝我們請邱董法院 |
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謝謝主席 主席請交通部陳部長請部長部長好 本席先問你一個先問部長一個生活化的問題部長小時候有玩過電子遊戲器嗎有啊有玩過嗎那如果現在有機會再玩你認為現在玩起來的反應會跟小時候比起來會是一樣的嗎會差很多會差很多我跟我的兒子玩起來我的反應變很慢 |
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反應變很慢因為根據我們德國海德堡大學研究分析哈佛資料庫他們將近120萬名10到80歲的受試者反應結果發現10到16歲的反應最快那30歲之後開始變慢那60歲之後明顯是最明顯的變慢也是 |
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人體自然老化的科學現象之一啊我們的交通也受到這樣的影響也點出一個迫切需要我們來關注的公共安全問題高齡駕駛那部長您本身應該也有駕照吧有駕照也實際開過車那您是否認同當我們在道路上開車的時候突發狀況的應變反應是維護行車安全的關鍵因素之一沒錯嘛那我們來看 |
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就在上個月在桃園巴德發生一起令人痛心的死亡車禍一名67歲的駕駛他疑似身體不適那因為手部劇烈抖動然後沒辦法控制方向盤事故當下完全沒有減速車輛爆衝釀成一死二傷的悲劇那這樣的事件也不是個案所以請警察部長在高齡化社會中我們對於高齡駕駛者的身體他的狀態變化還有持續駕駛的資格我們有沒有足夠的檢核機制 |
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報告委員我們針對這個75歲以上有這個換照的機制啦那換照的過程當中我們就會做檢核認知功能的這個檢測我們都會來做所以75歲以上這個部分那其中包含了視力嘛然後還有聽力還有操作能力 |
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還有一些協調就是認知功能測驗裡面就是說因為他要注意他的腦部跟手眼的協調所以他要有空間時間的相關的一些測驗我們本身交通部跟衛生局他們有沒有我們有沒有來做聯訪機制目前大概就是說有一些其實這個衛福部的一些資料其實我們現在已經有跟他們在討論說要做相關的一個戒節 |
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OK 好了解那我們接下來看到另外一份數據那數據顯示最多事故的他不是75歲以上他是65歲到74歲那是不是代表我們高齡駕駛的管理起點訂的有點太晚了 |
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因為這個現象他也間接的說明75歲後強制換照的制度他也確實在程度上提高了風險這個部分我大概跟委員報告一下現在委員提到的這個課題大概就是體格適性駕駛的一個課題那體格適性駕駛的課題基本上分成這個普通駕駛人跟這個職業駕駛人的部分那職業駕駛人這一塊的話三年就要體檢 |
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這個一次那現在講說這個自用駕駛人的這個部分的話那我們剛剛所提到確實就是說現行這個臨照了之後那在體格的這個部分的話原則上強制的部分是到75歲要這個做適性的一個請教部長一個問題部長你認為我們是不是應該更進一步將這個強制換照的制度往前推進70歲的 |
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這個部分我們是可以討論因為這個影響的人數其實相當的多那剛剛委員有提供這個數據65歲左右這一段其實還蠻多的但是其實75到84的這一段開車的人數其實相對也是減少 |
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減少了所以他的事故數當然也是會比較少不過您所提到的65到74的這一段我覺得我們應該可以再更關注一下我們來討論看看看能不能就是往前推到70歲的時候就來開始強制做就是讓這些駕駛者然後回去做 |
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可是我們來研議這個方面 研議看執行面看要怎麼做因為這個影響的人數其實還蠻多因為同樣是交通工具那大型的職業駕駛他65歲就必須要繳回駕照那一樣一般駕駛他就可以他需要到75歲才開始繳回那再請交通部研議好嗎 |
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好 那部長我們接著看公務局會宣導高齡駕駛換照制度推出了4支影片那部長您可以看到數字最高的分別是8萬 1.9萬然後還有1.8萬 1.7萬次那每部影片平均1年點閱率都不到1萬5那這樣的政策推廣效果您滿意嗎 |
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報告委員這個點擊數點閱率我們都希望能夠提高那就看他們做的內容是什麼我不可以說完全滿意因為現在民眾都感覺到說我們的宣導還是不足不過也要跟委員報告就是說我們的宣導的預算其實還真的是蠻有限我們工程做了很多但是我也發現說我們在宣導的經費其實不太足夠 |
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那今天看到報告交通服務有說要強力加強宣導嗎那也請就是我們的政策不只要做到那也要有效果對要把它做好啦我也在提醒的是要把它做好那部長我們再來看到另外一個 |
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一個不幸的事故就在本月一日也是一樣桃園八德和平路發生一起重大車禍一輛小客車逆向高速撞上機車造成一名45歲的男騎士當場死亡後座的妻子也多處插傷那經警方調查駕駛者是越南籍的阮興男子他的酒測值是0.49那他早已經就是自台長達7年了那另外同樣兩名乘客也是失聯移工事發後當場逃逸 |
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那請部長我們看到這封信那這是家屬提供給本席的陳情信那本席想問的是那面對這樣的悲劇到底我們政府要該如何來防毒報告委員失聯移工的部分當然不是交通部來做是 是在移民署來做對 那我們對於道路上面的安全我們要想辦法來維護那交通部有沒有去了解就是這些失聯移工就是他們有取得駕照到底有多少人 |
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施連移工有駕照嗎?公務員報告 施連移工這個部分因為確實現在我們還沒有跟內政部這邊做相關的借接所以未來如果說這個能夠有借接的話我們比較能夠去比對一下施連移工跟他的一個駕照狀況公務局跟移民署有沒有定期做資料的比對? |
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目前就是說我想這個部分的話有這個對接機制嗎這個在移工的資料的部分我們確實現在還沒有所以這就是制度上的漏洞嗎那什麼時候可以把它補起來報告委員我們目前跟移民署正在做借接的這些工作我們會儘速把它借接起來 |
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是 那請務必要把這個制度上的漏洞補起來我們不希望再看到有這樣的憾事發生移工的部分我們有啦那失聯的移工我們再來商討看要怎麼樣讓他補齊OK 好 謝謝部長 謝謝主席好 謝謝 我們請廖先祥委員 |
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好 謝謝主席 麻煩我們陳部長請部長我們警政署陳署長陳署長兩位好 今天一個小問題先提啦最近有很多的這個依據我們道路交通安全規則102條的規定那個如果說我們在浩之花的路口有交通指揮人員在指揮的時候那 |
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這個指揮人員的指示優於號誌這是我們道安交通規則102條的明文規定那現在實務上會有很多民眾檢舉或者是科技執法的一些案件就是通過警方在舉發 |
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那就會變成說很多民眾都說我會這樣子行使是依據這個警察同仁或者是義交的指揮才做出違反號誌的一些駕駛行為但是被民眾檢舉的時候可能民眾檢舉的影像沒有錄到這個指揮人員 |
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的指揮或者是我們科技執法沒有拍到這個指揮人員的情況下那這個違規的案件我們警察同仁就會舉發但是我們民眾可能他的行車紀錄器過了什麼他沒有辦法去舉證那這樣子的情況下就會變成說一些駕駛人 |
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駕駛人的權益受損嘛 因為他是依照指揮 交通指揮人員去指揮那關於這一點啦 我想這是很明確的是我們必須要幫這些駕駛人他的權益去拼犯的部分 我覺得這也沒什麼好討論啦那後續是不是請我們這兩邊喔去 後續去研議一下 針對這類型的交通違規檢舉案件我們怎麼樣去做一些釋法性的 |
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確認啦就是違規的部分我們是不是要更嚴謹的去檢視這部分那麻煩我們的交通部跟警政署這樣子的樣態去更嚴謹的去檢視駕駛人物違規好不好這兩點以上麻煩謝謝那組長你先回沒關係 |
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好那部長我今天要跟您也是討論道路交通安全規則那只是我要跟您討論是第99條第一項我們剛剛投影片我們的文字啦那也請我們運安會請我們講出了運研所陳所長 |
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一統那針對第99條的部分我想先聽我們交通單位的說文解釋我們是怎麼樣子的理解他這樣子的一個條我們看是部長要說明還是你要交給幕僚單位來說明市長來說明一下 |
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這個部分我大概跟委員報告一下報案規則99條基本上是機車行駛車道的相關的規定那在這個第一項索文裡面就是機車行駛的車道應依標誌標線的規定來行駛那如果沒有標誌標線的話才會有後面通則的一個規定 |
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那所以就是說這條的規定為什麼會有後面通則的規定就是說可能基於行政成本或等等的部分的話沒有就是說在每條道路沒有辦法去畫標示標線而且這個交通環境比較單純的情況之下不需要特別用標示標線來做處理的時候所以才會有後面的通則規定那目前以 |
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國內的一個這個情況的話大概就是說像都會區的話大概所有大陸的車道大概這個對於這個不管是汽車或機車使用的車道大概都透過標誌標線的一個方式來所以有標誌標線就是依標誌標線在規範嘛那假設我們現在有三個車道嘛那如果說三個車道他都沒有做進行機車的標示那機車行駛在最內側的車道 |
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他到底有沒有違規跟這個這一個我也報告一下目前大概就是說如果說這個三個這個車道的話然後都沒有標示這個進行機車就是他他沒有標誌或者是標限規定你不能騎機車嗎沒有進行機車的話基本上機車應該都可以這個行駛可以行駛沒有沒有標誌標限的情況下那他沒有特別所寫禁止的話那原則上 |
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就是可以的嗎但是現在大概就是三個車道以上的話那大部分大概都那些車道大概都會化進行機車道好沒關係我講的就是剛剛我問的就是如果三個車道的話那如果說都沒有標籤進行機車的話原則上機車行駛每個車道他都是沒有違規的對不對 |
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後面還有這個第二款的部分還有這個快慢車道的一個這個對如果說有快慢車道那當然慢車道他也會是一個樣態嘛好那 |
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就這樣的情況下來說我們的地方政府他要怎麼的來看這個解釋我們的道安交通規則的第99條他是給地方政府去畫這個標誌標線的一個依據還是給我們機車駕駛行駛的一個參考的一個準則 |
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跟委員報告99條基本上是駕駛人遵守的規定並不是道路車道畫色配置的這個原則那所以才會講說機車行駛的車道就要看標誌標線而這個標誌標線基本上就是地方道路主管機關基於車道就是車流的組成然後車種的組成他要去劃分這些車道要如何所以我們機車騎士可以很明確的就是依照現況來看如果說沒有禁止就是可以嘛我們可以這樣理解沒有禁止就是理解 |
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那我們的機車歧視那我們的道安交通規則它既然是給我們機車歧視看了的話那所以我們常常在我不知道在每個縣市怎麼樣至少在新北市或者甚至是我們交通部的公路局的地方交通單位常常會把道路交通安全規則第99條這一條規定搬出來說因為我們道交規的第99條的第一條下面這個未劃分快慢車道或者自己快慢車道 |
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反正就是外側兩個車道是可以行機車其他的不能行駛機車地方政府或是我們甚至自己的公路局常常會拿這條規定來說所以我們必須要進行機車那他們這樣子的說法我們交通部可不可以明確的在這邊明確的告知 |
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明確的告知我們道安交通規則第99條是給機車駕駛人行駛遵循的並不是對地方的交通的地方的政府或者是交通單位去會設交通標誌標線的一個準則 |
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可不可以這樣做一個宣示報告員道路交通安全規則是給駕駛人看的我相信地方政府也都理解他不可能不理解那過去交通部其實這樣子的函已經發過好多次了那現在地方政府他還是依據他的這個因地制宜在劃設 |
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那他就劃設有他的理由啦這個我們不會去反對但是他說的理由不能夠拿道路交通安全規程拿出來當理由對不對你剛剛希望我們來函釋嘛這個部分已經函釋好幾次了好沒關係那部長其實不只地方政府包括我們自己的公路局在劃設標線的時候也常常會有拿出我們第99條的規定來說內設不行他 |
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我們當然各案依照各案適不適合進行機車可以討論但是不可以拿第99條來說當作一個不化車進行機車的理由我們交通部內部啦像公路局這個我們好溝通我們就希望公路局就不要拿這個當理由那但是地方政府我們之前好那拜託我們部長那可不可以我們再一次含釋給地方政府跟我們的公路單位自己的公路局那副本也可能也給我們委員 |
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那以後如果說地方政府很明確又把這條拿出來的話那至少我有一個交通部的一個函式或公文來跟地方政府講不要再拿道路交通安全規定99條來搪塞了可不可以好我就麻煩部長好謝謝各位謝謝委員謝謝我們請莊嘉斌委員 |
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主席在場的委員先進列席的政務機關所長官員會長工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請我們交通部陳部長和公路局的陳局長那也麻煩請正署交通組的陳組長請三層都準備三位都姓陳部長 局長 組長 |
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部長好局長好還有組長好慢慢來那麼首先謝謝部長上次質詢關於地方的交通建設您馬上有指示同仁來垂詢關心如何辦理那接下來我的標題是改善道路建設降低交通事故非督的用路安全有賴中央挹注我們來看一下部長你看一下我們評論的交通事故的死傷數居然只遜於台中台南然後還排第三 |
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這個還不低於北北桃都會圈我們113年去年每10萬人的史上還第三高您覺得什麼原因 |
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報告委員 屏東因為它的鄉村相對是比較多的啦然後我們的老人家其實他要移動的時候他的公共運輸的量體也可能不太夠所以您認為是汽車的事故還是機車的造車事故造成的傷亡多要不要請組長告訴一下部長通常是機車 機車會比較多我們屏東是機車多還是汽車通常是機車會比較多吧這個是不是這樣其實屏東的老 |
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年長者的案件也蠻多的是好謝謝謝謝部長的關心表示部長非常的了解我們來看一下為什麼我們會提到機車呢你看一般的十字路口如果說像我們平地方上常常有大型的連結車如果路口的路弧缺乏不夠或者缺乏喇叭彎他會跑到了 |
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交錯的對向車道是不是這樣子那這樣是誰受害很多時候就是內輪差的機車或是對岸的等候的機車騎士嘛所以是不是我們未來道路在拓寬的時候這些標線要考慮到大型車的內輪差那您覺得地方政府有沒有辦法做到這個 |
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報告員如果內輪叉的標線也要做下去的話那個應該寬度會很寬我的意思是說就是路幅要足夠啦再交叉路幅是不是這樣那因為地方政府他會負責道路的用地徵收但是我們很多的工程建設機會需要中央支持部長要不要幫忙來考慮一下 |
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可以 這個我們可以來思考好 那我們來看一下再舉例截角的問題這個可以對 那像道路問題出在哪裡呢這是在我們停止線已經內縮但是沒有設置截角路寬 這個是路寬不符這兩車道交會車的時候常常會發生事故所以我們的一般非都的鄉間道路也常常出現路符不夠那一旦出事是怎麼樣是不是大車及小車 |
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那往下看所以呢包括路寬不夠會倒成大車及小車所以這種情況之下真的我們的道路交通安全需要有效的道路建設來支持部長同意嗎 |
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同意好那尤其剛剛我在往上一張像這一張因為它鄰近了一個工業區它鄰近了這個工業區所以大型車輛特別多路幅不足的問題大車及小車問題就更加容易發生事故好往下看所以往下所以我們屏東的鄉村道路多設施跟建設不比都市那麼這個我是告訴您這個也是我上星期才去看的 |
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這邊是台塘地這邊呢是這個往六堆客家文化園區這條路是兩個鄉的一個非常便利的道路你看看您覺得這有可能交會車嗎應該困難很困難嘛所以他是需要拓寬可是拓寬呢就遇到用地取得的問題往下看所以過去我也曾經跟你請教過屏東未來有一個產業園區的擴大設置那你也認同交通路網要一併升級是嗎 |
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所以是不是除了我們中央支持的屏東科學園區之外其他屬於地方型的工業區也能夠一併來檢討 |
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這個部分就看地方政府他們怎麼樣解決是所以我的結論就來我們給你看一下這個部分譬如說這是農科這是中央設置的這邊有長治工業區那麼它的瓶頸需要更順暢那所以往下看所以是不是請部長指示公路局協同地方政府就上述的路段了解地方的用路需求可以嗎 |
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了解這個可以啊那也請交通部協同相關單位去檢討我們屏東各產業園區周邊道路的負載能量必要的時候由中央來協助提升可以嗎可以我們先了解地方政府他的需求啦好謝謝部長謝謝局長也謝謝組長謝謝好謝謝中嘉賓委員現在請林怡瑾委員執行 |
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謝主席 有請陳部長陳部長 |
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本席曾經向你們交通部提出書面質詢跟臨時提案要求交通部要盤點全國各路段的合理速限那根據公路局探討就是有一本資料就是探討國內外道路速限訂立原則這個成果報告 |
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那這份資料其實有許多可以參考的資料可以來做研究那我想我今天就透過這個資料來跟您探討就是科學化的速限調整跟檢討那我想成果報告裡面有指出 |
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因為台灣的地形多變化然後道路的形態也很多元那有市區啊 郊區啊 山區啊高快速道路等等那所以如果全面統一調整的話那可能反而會造成很多的路段不適用可是報告有說明喔 他說美國 歐洲 日本他們的國家都強調所謂的操作速率速線 速率 操作速率就所謂的八五百分位速率 |
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部長你剛剛講到85%的速率的意思我不知道 請局長85%的速率他是說在道路上面行駛的車輛大概就85%的車輛大概用就是說那樣子的一個速度低於85% 低於這個速限的速度那這個速限就適合 |
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同時也根據道路功能、路形、事故紀錄、周邊環境做一些精細的分級然後定期來檢討速限 |
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所以最後報告是建議說我國應該要針對速限明顯與實際操作速率的落差太大還有事故率偏高還有興建跟改善道路這些重點的路段我們要進行專案的檢討跟 |
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跟調整所以想要請教部長的是說目前我們針對所謂的這些科學化數據化的這種檢討特定道路的速限我們有沒有什麼樣的規劃跟安排因為既然做出這個報告有沒有根據這個報告做一些執行的規劃跟安排另外就是說我國的道路那麼多樣的樣態那是不是有要細緻化去分級檢討的必要 部長 |
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我們依據剛剛的研究的結果我們自己所管轄的省道我們全部都有檢視過一遍省道的部分我們有檢視過一遍但是縣市政府他們的檢視可能要透過他們自己的方法下去做那這個部分我們可以把資料提供給縣市政府請縣市政府依據這個原則這個研究的結果也依據我們現在省道的這個檢視的經驗也下去做 |
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那其實 對 那你們要給縣市政府指引啊或者說你們要發函去給他們讓他們有這樣的指引可以做這個改善的這個依據 |
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這是一個研究的結果還沒有到指引的程度因為當初其實就是大概在省道上面大概大家對於速限上面也有一些就是說希望檢討所以我們特別做了一個研究然後大概有一些原則那所以透過這原則其實我們自己公務局所主管的所有的省道我們自己做了一些檢討那有一些可以放寬速限的我們都放寬了那相關的這個部分的話我想基本上其實各地方政府他們的交通單位跟 |
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公務單位其實對相關的原則其實是熟悉的那不過我想我們有更新的一個這個結果的話我想我們會提供給他們好所以這個生活報告都會提供給地方政府 |
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對 我們會提供給地方政府因為我們台灣現行的一些道路這個速限的制度我們是所謂的設計速率那就是說它其實我們當然有它的歷史背景跟它的基礎可是隨著我們車輛的性能越來越好啊然後道路的設計越來越進步還有國際標準的演進我們部分的路段如果速限還沒有檢討的話確實是造成很多行人的不便 |
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所以我覺得檢討確實是很必要那我覺得其實可以優先來針對一些像說速限跟實際車流明顯不符的路段或者是說一些事故的熱點我想這些真的要好好的因為人民的感受每天在開車那有的確實速限他就是設的太低 |
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那你動不動就變成超速那也造成很多民眾的困擾那確實這個路段可能他或許他後面拓寬了可是他出現並沒有去做調整所以這個很多的零零鐘鐘的問題所以是不是企業請中央跟地方政府交通局去做比較好的溝通那讓全國都可以感受到 |
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是不會中央政府啦因為他們搞不清楚這個地方的這個所謂的這個市道啦縣道是所謂的那個地方政府所訂定的速限所以這部分大部分民眾遇到的道路都是地方政府啦除了省道跟國道以外當然可是他們我覺得他們不是那麼理解速限的訂定是地方政府訂定的他們認為這個可能是中央政府因為他們我接收到的訊息都是這樣所以這部分再請 |
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我們這個資料會提供給各個地方政府讓他們去做參考那可不可以一個月內就是說我們做一些全面啟動各類型的速限的檢討因為你們說你們所管轄的速限我們的已經檢討完畢而且修正完畢了全部檢討完畢 |
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那可不可以給我你們檢討完畢的報告上次我們這個報告做完以後我們自己就做了省道的檢討那我想地方道路因為有縣道、市道、鄉道、區道那這些部分的話我想就把我們的相關的好 你們把你們檢討的報告給我好不好就所謂的根據科學化、數據化的報告是是是OK 好 謝謝謝謝部長 |
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好 謝謝 我們請黃婕蔚言好 謝謝主席 我們請部長請部長 |
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好部長好昨天高雄的一件大事你們到高雄考察這個我們的航廈嘛那也準備把第一期的計畫準備要端出來了還有這個停車場也動工了那當然是很感謝對我們高雄的照顧但是我還是想要在這邊再提一下關於新的國際機場的事這個我們跟許志傑召委也都非常的積極的在爭取那其實我們陳其邁市長也提了非常多次 |
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那上一次總質詢的時候我們部長其實也有提到說會準備來進行可行性的相關評估那我不知道說有沒有在準備了期程是什麼 |
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委員您所指的是24小時的機場嗎沒錯24小時的機場其實過去交通部已經做過12次的研究那地方也非常殷切的需求沒錯希望能夠有24小時的機場所以我們現在交通部也內部也開始請民航局再繼續再做盤點跟研究看有沒有哪一個地方是適合的那目前已經開始在做這個這方面的研討 |
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好 那我的意思是說那我們這個具體的可行性的評估是有沒有準備要用一個計畫來進行還是說就是你們內部自己的一個討論而已呢報告委員 我們過去做了12次啦我們最近會來啟動新的一次會來啟動新的一次可行性研究 |
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好 謝謝那我就是希望至少要有一個具體的可行性研究如果真的要往下走的話這件事情非常重要那因為其實還是很多人在說高雄真的有需要一個新機場嗎 |
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部長認為有需要嗎報告委員我目前看高雄的那個運量一直是在上升的所以我們也才會做這個機場的更新的整建第一期跟第二期的更新總共投入了881我們希望把運量能夠拉到1650萬的這個運量 |
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那我們就是因為看到這個需求有在所以才會做這件事那如果長期來看的話確實是有需要因為24小時的機場它的好處是對於一些越洋的航班來說會比較方便有時候它會用到宵禁的時間如果你沒有24小時的機場越洋的航班飛過來剛好是宵禁的時間它就會受到限制 |
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謝謝所以呢高雄有沒有需要一個24小時的新機場有需要非常有需要那我還是再簡單補充是因為其實現在的空貨運的貨的貨量非常需求非常大尤其是在我們南部因為我們現在南科的 |
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這個產值已經超越主科了然後再加上現在其實我們這邊非常重要的是因為桃園的機場已經飽和了就是所以我們才一直說接下來是不是應該看一下南部這邊的需求然後再加上你看往前看50年就是真的有這個需求 |
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那另外還有另外一件事情就是第五航權因為其實我們現在高雄的國際機場也有努力的在爭取這件事情那其實最近包括有一個美聯航的高雄到成田對 那我覺得這是一個好的例子那接下來這個第五航權的部分也希望我們部長然後請我們民航軍再多加的協助好 這個我們來努力好 那再來進到這個人本交通的部分我不知道說部長知不知道我們現在台灣的停讓率是多少 |
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也就是說你看到無號誌的人行穿越道的時候會停下來這樣的停讓率是看到有人還是看到沒人的時候 |
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去看到有行人的時候市長這邊應該有數字如果按照目前調查看個縣市比如如果在無號字化入口據我們先前調查有些甚至達到100%沒有停讓行人不過大部分是在八九成我還想說我以為你要說百分之百有停讓停讓率百分之百我想說怎麼可能 |
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百分之百沒有停讓行人無號誌化的路口百分之百沒有停讓行人哇 這個數據聽起來多麼恐怖啊我不是要講就連在日本喔無號誌的行人穿越道的停讓率也只有五成也就是說我們光是要達到五成都還要有一點 |
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困難那這個就是我們要努力的所以還是希望我們可以透過更多的交通工程的設計看是不是可以讓大家自動的有意識必須要停下來這件事情不然這個停讓率光是你看日本我們以為他們看到行人一定會自動停下來但其實他們計算出來的數據也是只有五成那剛剛其實請問這位是市長 |
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師長就說了我是百分之百不會停下來有一些路口啦有一些路口沒有好處這個很慘啦那這個部分委員所提醒的就是說工程面的部分是改善了一方面那更重要的其實是駕駛人的習慣啦所以駕駛人的習慣跟教育這才是更重要的 |
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當然啦當然是雙向進行那當然所以在這邊我也想要再補充一個小的意見就是說我們現在看到很多交通事故啊他的原因可能會寫說是因為可能什麼行人沒有 |
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行人沒有注意車前的狀況或者是說駕駛人沒有注意道路的狀況左右來車所以造成了車禍的原因但事實上很多原因是因為道路的設計不良就例如說我們一些行人的設施不足甚至是路口的窄幅等等的這些如果交通工程改善了或許能夠去讓去他們不會有這些視線的死角 |
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所以我是在想說接下來我們在盤點這些交通事故的原因的時候有沒有機會把交通設計不良放進去報告委員這個一直都有一直都有可是很常我們在調地方的車禍的原因 |
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都會寫說沒有注意來車然後行人或者是駕駛人因為他們自己沒有注意但事實上很多他們視線不良並不是他們自己的我們每次在造勢之後的那個調查都會把那個道路設計也放入其中一個檢討的項目所以這個部分我們會持續滾動來處理 |
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好 這個真的要拜託那我認為不管怎麼樣我們交通部能做的就是把交通工程的設計做得更好這才是人本交通的根本是好 這個真的要拜託部長那拜託機場我們跟張偉都超級關心的對不對所以真的要拜託我們希望高雄的新的機場有一些新的進度可行性評估報告再拜託部長好 謝謝 |
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好謝謝部長那個我們希望禁訴啦那個禁訴有可行性報告給我們好我們現在請林國成召委好謝謝主席請交通部陳部長 秦部長黃英貴司長 黃司長 林福山司長 林司長 |
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還有我們警訊署陳組長陳組長 |
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好 部長辛苦了其實一向本席對於交通部都持有支持的態度但是該講的我還是會講那我請教一下上一次因為我當主席所以無法親自執行但是我有私面執行我比較在乎的也就是行人專用十項這個政策 |
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那部長也私底下跟我講你們有開檢討會那我看過全國的這些縣市政府那確實是良幼不起有些是做得積極有些是做得不積極那我不曉得部長你私底下跟我講說要檢討那到底結論是如何報告委員我們不但有檢討我們昨天也有特別針對這件事在道安記者會上面也有做了說明 |
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那行人早開實相跟行人專用實相一直對我們來講都是一個很重要的政策跟努力的方向所以我們現在有設定一個新的目標我們希望在114年行人專用的實相我們希望能夠做到100 |
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198處行人專用實相行人早開實相的部分我們也會有一個1558的目標值希望能夠來完成總共加起來就是1700多處我們會做行人早開跟行人專用實相 |
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是 這個特別提醒部長跟市長啦當然因為六都啊是較為妥當啦那當然其他縣市有必要但是一個是一個重點的地方但是六都還是要推啦這個我特別拜託因為我看我們台北市推得很認真那有學校的地方確實這個效果是 |
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真的是有效的 不但不塞車然後行人跟車輛他互相的這種禮讓的情況之下交通秩序確實是好的人人行的安全也是受保障所以這點要拜託部長要督促一下來另外一個我想我還是要談我很關心啊 |
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就是大型車輛車貨比非常之高非常之高因為這個小數據或什麼我們本會其他委員也有點出問題但是我在這裡就特別要提醒部長因為我們從11年到現在連續三年 |
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預算 我們編列3.3億要去做這些大貨車的這些視野補助啊 主動依靠補助這些等等的計畫 等等喔 那個陳局長 不好意思不好意思 沒碰到跟你有關的所以這個補助是3.3億但是看起來已經實行兩年效果是不髒的 |
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不但這些大貨車大客車車後還不斷的成長百分之十幾那這代表問題在哪邊到底我們警察機關執行不力或者我們的政策有問題部長你知道這個問題嗎 |
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報告委員這個部分應該是一個科研的計畫科技研究的一個計畫那實際上落實了多少這個我們應該也還沒有完全去落實到這一點但是我們有想辦法要克服這個問題所以我們在監理面的部分監理的層面我們有努力包含說 |
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比較高造勢的這個高違規的這個駕駛我們有調訓的工作會把他調回來再做訓練那目前我們在訓練完之後他違規的機率有降了蠻多的啦有86%但是車禍比還是提升啦但車禍比還是提升所以這個還是要加強 |
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是好啦這個最主要是這樣啦那個主動警系統的政策當然問題很多啦就像使用者的不佳啦或者越專業糟糕這類的東西啊特別司長跟部長可能要了解還有這裡面啊那裡面是操作非常困難所以陳局長可能也要去了解一下所以駕駛人接受率是蠻低的啦 |
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好那我把這個問題提出來就是要希望我們部裡面特別要去注意這些那當然因為交通的東西啊並非啊並非一朝一夕就可以馬上改變但是有問題要去追蹤要去改進我想政府最大的 |
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其存在的目的就是有問題解決問題這是很重要所以既然有這個政策但是效果不佳是事實車禍也不斷在其身所以在這個部分要拜託部長責成師長他們要特別去留意這些 |
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錢開下去好過又不好這樣就換效果所以這個我要特別提醒那另外一個我還要再提醒就是在整個交通部這個部分也就是過勞駕駛的問題 |
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尤其是刻印的部分我要拜託我們主管師長要特別去針對這個問題因為所有車禍的花生過勞駕駛是非常嚴重的比例非常之高的所以我希望師長 |
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我常講部長是管政策但是督導也是屬於你所以我把這個問題點出來我希望部長也要特別去留意這些好不好好 另外一個就是自行車也就是單車事故三年來都增加這個問題比較嚴重的當然因為包括戴安全帽 |
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包括未成年這是非常之多的非常之多所以我還是要拜託這是一個政策既然單車自行車無法去嚇阻跟禁掉但是你最起碼安全要去考慮所以這個包括未成年還有有沒有必要就帶 |
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在這種自行車的安全帽視同機車的安全帽這個安全所以我記得當初大家在推機車安全帽的時候我就極力支持為什麼可以從車後發生死亡腦震盪 |
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的事件以後那大大降低啊有待總比沒待好啊所以在這個車子當然年輕人啊小孩子他騎得蠻快的所以這個部分我也要拜託有沒有研究不管是黃師長也好林師長也好研究哪一個法規 |
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可以在這個部分去加強這樣的話會更完整部長你的看法是 報告委員有佩戴安全帽當然相對會更安全那不過這件事因為牽涉到的層面其實蠻廣的我們來做研議以外也要去收攏一下大概社會大家對這件事情的共識跟想法 |
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好 所以要特別拜託一個是大貨車 既然補助那要嘛就通通補助就全部要貫徹要嘛 你說實在的就沒有必要再花這種補助那另外一個就那個 自行車的問題少年的問題 戴帽的問題要不要推展到這裡我希望拜託我們去做一個專案研究好不好好 謝謝 |
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主席麻煩我們的陳部長請部長 |
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部長午安今天是5月8號嘛那三個禮拜前我有在這邊質詢我們交通部對於我們的慢車的管理政策包含電幅啊電動滑板車在內的行動個人的行動器具規 |
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的一個執行跟推動情形那我請交通部呢兩個禮拜內提出書面報告回覆我不過部長現在已經幾個禮拜了而且當時事實上是有承諾至今到現在還沒有收到報告不知道部長你能不能掌握到現在進度是什麼 |
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是 報告委員 如果這個部分還沒有給您回應的話 那是我們的不對 給您抱歉那我回去趕快去追 看什麼時候可以趕快給您報告因為我覺得過去我針對執行 然後稿子收到有時候是叫我讀法條 現在反而稿子都還不給我了我不知道為什麼會有這樣 麻煩江部 |
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那信守承諾那今天是我們來談人本交通跟交通安全過去這30年我是非常關心這個課題的首先我要針對於我們的宣傳經費 |
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那這個部分的確這是被刪掉一千兩百萬可是還是有經費預算不過在宣傳的管道跟我們的方式上我是有點意見的比如說過去我們常常看到很多有時候是廠商他根本不懂得交通安全可是他卻要來承辦這樣子的業務的時候有時候活動內容坦白講事實上是跟安全是脫鉤的甚至宣傳的管道也非常重要可是會看到的是什麼 |
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行人密集活動的場域裡面很少看到像譬如大眾運輸站就很少看到你談人本交通這些相關的觀念我覺得有點可惜所以難怪我們就來看數據也就是說前幾天媒體自己也有報導我想部長應該有看到這個人本交通政策在民間的知曉度非常的低只有高達八成的民眾是不知道 |
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什麼叫做人本交通啊根本不知道政策內容是什麼我想這也是一個警訊所以部長我知道交通部非常努力也很願意做公眾教育跟宣傳能不能針對這個部分回過頭去看看你委託的廠商到底懂不懂交通安全 |
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內容上會不會事實上是反向反而對於安全沒有幫助還有一個管道方式是不是應該去思考一下人多密集的地方來做我覺得這部長可不可以說明一下 |
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是 報告委員兩個部分因為宣導面確實委員一直在希望我們能夠加強也確實應該加強那兩個部分一個部分是執行的層面到底效果好不好內容好不好看然後我們投放的點對不對這個部分我們要來做檢討這個沒有問題包含您在提醒的我們所委託的單位他對於內容到底了不了解這個部分我們會來做檢討那二方面其實因為交通的宣導的面向可以說是非常的多 |
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對客運業者啦對客運駕駛啦對各個方方面面非常多那我們也希望說預算能夠增加一些不過很可惜我們的預算沒有辦法增加被刪以外也被動那每次只要提到說我們宣傳預算要增加大家就意見很多 |
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那這個部分我們在有限的預算我們盡量把它做好委員您剛剛提醒的我們來把它關注一下該檢討的部分把它檢討修正我覺得尤其你現在講說人本交通可是大家都不知道的話大概你要在民間去推就有點困難 |
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接下來我們來談一個我想今天報紙上也大家都在看載了也就是大家都很支持我們的行人專用10項支持度有84.7%行人早開10項89.6%這也是為什麼要去推動 |
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你們報告已經寫很多那媒體也報導很多可是我們也要來看我回頭去看14期的院班方案裡邊我也看到確實交通部有規劃要普設型的號誌燈打算因時因地 |
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14608.255 |
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質疑的去調整實質就是那個實質開啟的方式我認為這是很好的一步我也相當支持畢竟有耗制用路人才能夠依循才能夠兼顧效率跟安全不過很好奇的是現在耗制登的普及率如何部長你有沒有掌握數據 |
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報告委員,其實我們現在有新的綱要,道路交通安全的整體的綱要,那所有地方政府其實有朝這個方向在做,那到底他們的數據上有沒有辦法掌握這個,有嗎?我們有統計這個數據? |
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我們再來看 就是部長我也不是要去考你 為難你因為時間緊迫我來不及要可是我手邊上就是17期院班方案的計畫規劃時的統計那時候當時的耗資設置比例真的只能說產息息只有4成除了雙北呢僅基隆跟新竹有超過5成六都只有雙北只有5成以上那除了雙北之外就六都以外的話只有基隆 |
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和新竹有超過五成其他的市都的狀況都非常的慘那我們就來問囉 剛剛你講說要早開啊 專用啊沒有耗資燈怎麼去推動這些呢這些是要搭配耗資燈的所以我不知道這個有沒有要去考慮啊 |
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因為你的實相和專用都要考慮耗資的我們會協助地方政府讓他能夠增加這些耗資不只是交通部內政部國土署也在幫忙這件事然後我們一起合作來協助地方政府因為這些的設置大部分是地方政府的權責那我們會協助他們那經費上需要補助我們也都會幫忙 |
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我說你說要給做得比較好的獎金可是問題是他沒有耗資燈他就沒有用沒辦法去做專用跟找開實相這個我覺得也要去提醒那再來我想部長不知道 |
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14724.313 |
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有沒有印象我上次在問是說你會在哪邊你很乾脆的回答是說如果你開車的話會在A那當時的確交通部事實上法令常常在法令規範的時候都對於現實層面事實上是好像沒有 |
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考量到真實的那個狀況而且我覺得有點獨步全球的狀況為什麼因為今天講人本交通政策那個人本並不是只有講到行人而是所有的用路人那當時修法的時候我就提醒就你們還是按照這樣修就是新條文定義是說 |
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接下來黃網線通通要進空的狀態可是你去相對看其他國家來看的話他們可以在黃網線然後等待車輛才知道你要過嘛否則我們就在看下一個畫面的時候台灣這種狀況來四邊如果沒有到黃網線誰知道誰要過因為這時候沒有號誌燈誰知道誰要過那就反而是這樣大家就等著那變成是我這個梗圖裡面談的 |
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敵不動 我不動 大家都不動那就不知道誰 因為沒有號誌燈嘛所以我們再來看到如果這樣子的狀況裡面到底對學童的保護會更好嗎而且法規之間互相自己打架道路交通安全規則第111條裡面第一項就規定說交叉入口 公共汽車招呼這個是不得零停車量可是我們的處罰條例竟然是說可以匯至停車處所 |
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那我就會擔心說因為加上前一陣子又有入口的那個交通事故事實上對學童來講傷害是比較大的那如果這兩個法規事實上是互為抵觸的時候放在一起的話又不能臨停可是又可以劃停車格 |
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這不是互相抵觸嗎所以部長這部分是不是可以針對這個去盤點去改善然後去確定否則的話根本沒有辦法幫助尤其事實上我覺得兒少交通事故事實上也是一直我很關心的一個議題那也期待 |
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部長這邊能夠多著一些力 不好意思我覺得稍微再給我一點時間來再看下一項我覺得交通部有掌握到充足人力跟可是有時候在訂定法規可不可以有自信一點就是像當初在談的時候我們希望事實上是我們的 |
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所謂也就是行人庇護島是不是可以15到20比照國外那可是好像而且上方因為還要放一些東西所以可以去考慮這樣就最後你們還是按照國土署的他們訂定的法規我覺得如果要 |
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調整就應該要去調整可能會事實上是比較適合的因為正確的事情的話應該要去全力去推動而不是因為國土署有這樣子的規範而反而是這樣這邊可能是不敢動 |
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那最後就是我還是希望說是不是在人本交通這邊希望能夠重新檢討宣導那也希望能夠盡速提升我們的行人號誌登錄的普及率還有列管考核還有交通部在遵循意見的時候可不可以多參考國外跟民間團體的意見檢討一下我剛剛講的那個入口周邊的至少10公尺到底要停車還是要 |
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是讓人家臨庭還是停車格位劃下去我想部長大家都對你有很高的期待因為我們也覺得你來做交通部主政之後真的很多東西有提升我們也期待這部分保障學童安全這一塊再麻煩謝謝趙偉 謝謝部長 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝因為我們後面還有很多人 所以拜託大家稍微掌握一下時間好 謝謝我們請張雅琳委員現在主席 我們有請部長請部長 |
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部長好今天也是要來針對人本交通的一些執行的細節想要來跟部長做討論那就是說我知道在看今天的報告我們是有跟教育部來合作針對於各個高中小校甚至到大專我們都有一些安全教育的交通宣導的一些課程跟規劃那我覺得想提供一個建議給部長就是說 |
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我們現在有非常多這個跟教育部來合作這個交通安全種子的師資培訓研習那這是一個很好的開始但是夏業就是說我們是不是有可能因為這些大學生他們都是可能在20歲的時候18歲的時候就會去考照了對不對 |
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我們是不是可以讓他更了解兒童的視角是什麼讓他在開車的時候更有一些警覺不是只有說小孩自己要怎麼助力而是每個駕駛人他都應該要去了解所以我在網路上面看到有個團體他們在做這樣子的一個工作坊然後他們也是對大學生做那就會讓大學生更了解說原來小孩子看不到我們是不是有可能把這樣子的體驗課程放在大專學校的安全教育課程裡面呢有沒有可能 |
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這個部分是很值得參考的一個建議那教育部也應該會做這方面的協助教育部可以簡單回應一下嗎 |
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跟委員報告部分我想針對委員所提的部分我們會把它納入到我們相關的那個交通安全的研習的部分然後來提供有這樣子的一個體驗的經驗對 因為這個是一個全球城市設計倡議組織他們其實最主要一開始就是北美的交通安全委員會 |
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開始的就是有關於就是回到從最脆弱的兒童怎麼樣去照顧他們大人應該要做到哪些事情那這個部分詳細的資訊我們也可以再pass給你們好不好謝謝那下一個就是來講就是交通公園今天我們的主席剛好也有來質詢到這一題那我就是繼續下去就是 |
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據我所知啦齁 全台灣有很多交通公園但是只有這一個是擬真的交通公園也就是說它是真的號誌燈會亮的讓孩子在真實的情境裡面下去學習的但我不確定我的數據是不是正確的所以我不曉得說交通部有沒有掌握我們全台灣有多少的一個交通公園呢 |
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報告員這一個擬真公園我有去過這個台南的這個我有去過那目前我們有13處的交通公園那真正擬真的可能沒有這麼多那我們現在桃園監理站監理站已經有做了一個擬真的那我們現在在高雄在雲林還有士林士林也就是我們台北的監理站都是在監理站嘛對不對台北都在做我懂那我先確認一件事就是我們在監理站有做但是交通公園擬真的就這個對不對 |
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那其他的12個都是交通公園其他縣市我們都是補助啦他們是做交通公園但是真正擬真的我目前只有看到這一點好那這部分我就是想要來跟部長爭取我們可不可以有更多的擬真雖然說我們有監理所但是我想要跟部長說明的就是說他怎麼沒有辦法 |
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你真的部分的您看喔在我們的監理所部分他比較是把一個月來每個月讓大家來預約他比較是像是一個校外教學的課程好然後呢在東京呢其實光一個東京市他就20個 |
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20個交通公園了那其實去年聯合國也都是在講說讓孩子透過遊戲來學習這些東西的話效果會更好那我們有沒有可能讓交通公園有更多呢因為那個是小孩可能每一天或是每一個禮拜他都可以去的這樣子的學習效果絕對比他一個禮拜或是一個學期甚至一個學期吧老師了不起大家去一次了不起對所以這樣子我們是不是可以來跟各個縣市 |
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看是要提供什麼樣子的講座補助辦法讓大家都來以現在像左邊這個就是台中泉源公園新竹也有台北也有我們是可不可以以現在幫他upgrade就好讓他變接近擬真了這可不可以做到這個建議我們一定會參考就是說以現有的還有12個沒有擬真的我們就跟縣市政府來溝通有沒有需要怎麼樣的補助可以讓他做得更符合實際道路的現況 |
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對 因為還有一件事情來 部長您看這一張這也是一個交通公園但是真實的路面上面會有這麼多交通耗製嗎 |
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不是吧對不對這個是哪一個縣市新北市的新店交通公園他很早期做我覺得我肯定當時大家來做這件事情但是我們是不是可以更優化因為我們最主要交通公園就是幫助孩子在真實的環境下面學會如何的安全過馬路好那這件事情我想大家現場都有笑不太可能有這麼多號誌對不對到底要注意落實還是當心台車不可能所以是不是有可能來提除了我們來 |
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upgrade之外我們可不可以來跟各縣市的請各縣市的我們這些交通主管機關來協助排列我們現在的交通公園裡面還有沒有哪些要來做調整修正接近我們來跟他們討論看怎麼優化好不好優化的層面我們盡量來協助地方政府好那這部分我們大概什麼時候可以來跟部長再追再下一次的進度呢我們最近是有跟地方政府都有在開道安的聯繫的這個會議啦另外再找 |
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我們找各縣市來討論大概三個月的時間好不好跟各縣市溝通完畢可以再快一點嗎再快一點 那兩個月的時間好不好好 兩個月 好 謝謝那我最後一個非常簡單的問題 很快好 趙委在看我就是我們有一個全民參與街道改善平台的一個計畫平台我覺得這是一個很好的讓全民一起來參與可是我發現裡面有一些問題 |
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就是第一個提示有八個案子喔可是有七個案子都有狀況欸而且這七個案子都預期了而且再進去看喔很多案件完全沒有任何的資料欸所以這個平台到底實際上是照理來講他應該要讓民眾知道我提了這個案子之後我的進度是什麼可是好像完全沒有達到這個效果欸可不可以簡單說明一下為什麼這是國土署的一個平台我是不是請國土署好 謝謝 |
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委員這邊報告因為我們這個是大概半年前先公告地點那現在地方政府大概都還在做規劃跟民眾溝通的階段那如果有申請規劃案的部分我們就會在網路上公開這樣子但是問題是你看嘉義市案件就非常的齊全新竹市是什麼都沒有 |
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因為新竹書這個案子當地反彈力量很大對 民眾抗議的非常嚴重對 那我想問一下那我們這樣沒關係 我想時間可能有限啦我們會會約時間來詳細的討論好不好因為不能讓這種參與形同虛設嘛 好不好其實我們是想製造大家對話的機會對 可是現在看起來是好像沒有任何進度啊 好不好 謝謝 |
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謝謝 我們請楊瓊英委員好 謝謝主席 楊瓊發言 邀請部長請部長委員好 |
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我們繼續討論行人地域改善的議題過去台灣被外媒封為行人地域後來我們草野所有的同仁也好大家一起要求改善 |
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那我們那今年的死亡率也有數字也有下降但是成效仍舊還不至於我們的一個理想那政府也喊出了2030年的死亡人數要下降50%你認為我們目前的這些的政策措施教育安全的一個宣導 |
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會不會達到 這是本席 首先要請教的因為我們政府規劃在2025年的時候 死亡人數你是要下降10%但是行人 我特別強調的是 行人死亡人數是要下降到15%2027年是要下降18%跟30% |
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所以換句話說跟本席所一直非常在意的行人的這個部分安全本席非常非常的重視喔所以首先想請教部長您的看法 |
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是 報告委員您所說的這個是我們的目標我們希望能夠達成那過去的一年多來其實全民都很努力包含中央政府跟地方政府也都在努力那目前看起來以今年的數據來看以今年的數據來看我們一到二月目前統計起來的數據看起來是應該是可以達標應該是可以達標就114年整體死亡要下降10%那行人死亡的下降幅度15%這個至少在一到二月的數據看起來 |
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很好也就是本席說的我們既然定了這個標準但是因應我們目前所總統計似乎還達不到這個完整的理想所以在整個方案方面要怎麼樣去精進我們可以滾動式的去檢討所以本席要請教方法我們來討論方法 |
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您也宣布了今年會修法祭出更嚴厲的罰則那麼讓未庭讓行人致輕傷起罰的金額由原本的7200塊那麼你們要上調到1.8萬那麼致行人重傷從原本的1.8萬要 |
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上調到3.6萬的這個金額那吊銷這個駕照的部分呢由原本的3年你們有意要提高這個年限也就是4到5年所以本市要請教因為據報導我們看到是說預估是會在6月份的時候要執行那請教部長 |
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什麼時候要上路那你們修法的內容因為我們只是側面的了解依照你們修法的這個內容你預估可以評估到怎麼樣的一個成效請說說明報告委員我們在五月會送行政院轉立法院所以在立法的過程當中我們希望六月能夠來落實這件事情 |
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六月落實 時間點還是在六月份來執行之另外就是說成效的部分其實坦白講我們有很多的面向要去做包含建設也就是設置的工程面教育層面 監理面執法面也是其中一項而已我們這次比較針對的是行川縣也就是斑馬縣上面而且我們的處罰加重是針對已經撞傷人 |
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或者是已經撞死人的這個罰則那這個部分其實我們認為如果加重的話大家其實是個提醒坦白說用懲罰的方式都只是個提醒告訴大家說這件事很嚴重很好 部長你所說的也就是本席的一個觀念點重罰不是唯一的一個解方你認同重罰不是唯一的解方因此我們要必須相關的配套 |
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因為道路交通安全的一個管理以及行人環境的一個改善還有標誌保險的一個設置甚至在整個安全教育意識的這個宣導上面去琢磨這非常重要那我們有了這個共識點本席要跟你繼續討論也就是學區限速的這個部分本席上一次也跟你討論過目前因為本席非常的關心我們的學童通勤安全 |
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就像他上下學的安全我認為下一代的安全是非常的重要也是一個依據程式最重要的KPI非常非常的重要所以本席也一再跟交通部你們來討論過我看到韓國 |
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他們在學區限速30公里的執行之後呢他們的學童喔他們的學童交通傷亡的大幅下降我看了很感動所以本席要請教台灣我們目前也有這樣的方案而且我們從108年就開始來執行之到現在將近7年我們的成效究竟是如何呢為什麼會這樣子上一次本席問你請教的時候您告訴我這幾十%那現在的進度有增加嗎 |
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請說明好 報告委員這個部分其實我們都一直希望能夠執行台灣也有相關的法令現在進度如何呢我們也希望是30的這個時數請教現在的進度進展如何呢 |
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目前在學區的改善的部分我請市長回答跟委員報今年我們是預計是要完成159處的在學區周邊道路的改善當然這裡面也包括有個限速這樣一個政策目前為止是統計只有43處已經完成 |
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好 部長您聽到了也就是我們還有很大的成長空間上一次告訴我的是大概只有30%左右我希望每一次我質詢的時候都能夠看到一個進展所以因此我要告訴你你既然你的答案 |
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是不理想的你要怎麼樣有方法去解決所以本席認為你們應該也可以在日後的道安匯報當中列為你的一個考核指標這一個同時你們可以協助指派了專人來協助各方面來落實這個政策你覺得呢報告委員這個沒有錯這是地方政府要做的那我們未來道安匯報裡面也會把它納入 |
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一定要納入 你同意納入 當然會報所以本席在這邊最後跟你討論的也就是說我們有一致的觀念做法它不是唯一的解決方法所以本席必須要提醒要落實整個學區的安全也應該要有其他的配套比如說在我們學校的路口的300公尺這個範圍你的紅綠燈的設置以及你限速的標誌下坡的部分那麼要設置降速的設置 |
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道路的標誌以及人行道的一個設置保護措施人行道的寬度要比你車輛的寬度還要更寬嚴禁在學校主要的出入口的地方他不能作為這個停車阻擾了學童的一個通學的安全還有一個 |
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降低車輛靠近跟兒童間接接觸的一個衝擊這一點非常的重要因為每一個環境的基礎建設是不一致的但是我們絕對不容許這些的道路這些的車輛直接跟我們的孩童直接去衝突直接去接觸這是我非常非常的嚴謹的要求所以本期提出了這幾項也敬請這個部長你認同嗎 |
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這個我們都很認同都很認同要執行喔好要執行那道路交通安全的你們的這個要放入我們學童安全的這個考核指標之一一起加油謝謝好謝謝委員好謝謝我們請李坤城委員 |
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謝謝主席 我們請交通部陳部長陳部長 |
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部長好 辛苦了這個我想請教一下就是說針對這個兒童還有青少年交通事故我們來看一下 應該是左手邊這邊這是這個2024年去年的一個數據我們看兒童0到12歲他其實這一個死傷人數是增加的增加了1.5%那雖然是這個少年是13到17歲有降的6.8% |
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但是呢 就是在兒童這部分12歲以下的他的這個數據還是呈現這一個死傷人數還是成長那我不曉得說部長或市長這邊有去研究過就是說討論過就是說這兒童的這個交通事故他那個死傷人數他仍然降不下來的原因在哪裡嗎 |
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報告委員這個部分我們都一直有掌握所以我每次在開這個我們每個月的這個道路安全的這個記者會的時候看到數據也都很關心兒少的部分那兒少的部分有幾個層面一個是有可能他是爸爸媽媽在或者是由別人來在那這個過程當中的安全性其實要想辦法去加強包含安全座椅也好或者是安全帽也好那另外有一些所謂的兒少的部分也包含了少年 |
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那青少年有一些是因為騎自行車或者是無照騎機車的這個比例其實是相當的高那這個部分我們也特別關注在無照駕駛的部分看要怎麼從學校的層面去輔導他不要做這樣的事那另外就是說我們在罰則上面也希望能夠加重應該說他的監護人也要去注意到這個問題 |
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因為最主要你說12歲以下的 比如說那當然就是說我會把焦點再放在說在往上學的途中的這個區域我不曉得你們有沒有做過這方面的研究因為剛剛部長是提出很多的因素嘛那如果是在學校周圍這附近你們有沒有做過這個研究跟調查我們有沒有這方面的數據學校附近的受傷比例 |
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我想說比例可能還在統計不過也跟委員報告基本上我們現在跟國土署也非常重視校園周邊道路的一個改善尤其是那個通學校現在據我了解國土署在今年被要求 |
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直轄市先從直轄市說每個直轄市有兩個示範區做出來讓做出來以後如果成效會讓其他縣市來效法那此外我們也注意到就是說可能讓小朋友了解說他從他家裡到學校一些通學路徑上的一些潛在的危險地點在哪裡如果經過那邊要注意哪些事項所以我們現在也補助地方政府去拍攝這學校這邊這樣一個通學的一個叫安全影片 |
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在拍攝過程中我們也希望說學生還有家長跟老師都能夠共同穿希望說拍攝影片讓學生能更了解在通學過程中要注意哪些交安全指示通學從家裡到這個學校的這一段我們希望是安全的不論是去或是回來但是就是說你們不論是提到說有這個示範區或是說有特定的學校的這個 |
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周邊的這個道路環境的改善我覺得那都有經費有投進去但是我是覺得說那個點太少比如說像我自己三重圍裡你大概有幾間學校他們這一個學校旁邊的這一個人行道或是說接送區其實都做得很好 |
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但是如果沒有在這個示範區裡面這個前面有進去的話很多還是有學校連這個學校的學生要走出來都沒有一個綠色的一個人行道我們就是說這個你已經沒辦法去做這個人行道我們只能做這個 |
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路面上我們就畫色 你是屬於綠色人行道的這部分有些都畫不出來 所以我是希望說這個東西不是只有城鄉差距 就是說光是在新北市裡面那其實就是你有示範的 有經費補助的 那真的是做得不錯但是有些學校沒有在這個補助裡面你要讓他畫一條安全的路回家 其實都畫不太出來 |
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包圍這個部分如果學校有需求地方政府有需求他們可以向中央來申請補助我們都會來協助但是現在就是要看地方政府他們能做的量能到哪裡然後再來就是學校有沒有提出這樣的需求 |
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有啦其實我們都也是有跟地方政府講啦但是說這個東西就是說當然地方政府也要做但是我是希望說中央的這個經費能夠再多挹注一點啦如果地方政府來申請的話我們大部分都是會協助的好 |
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不過財化法通過之後可能又是另外一回事了好 那另外一個我再請教就是說就是說我們在2023年道路交通管理罰則這個有把它變得比較這個處罰會比較嚴重但是我看了一下數據2024年的這個行人死傷人數是17162人那當然叫2023年有減少498人然後死亡人數有380人減少至366人 |
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但是呢我是看這個數據當然就是重罰之下當然數據上面有稍微下降死亡人數稍微下降但是如果要達到你們2030年死亡人數降50%其實還是有一場蠻長的距離要走耶這個你們要怎麼去做改善方方面面該做的事實在是很多 |
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從工程層面我們要做的各方面就已經非常多教育層面也是得做因為駕駛人他的習慣跟他的觀念然後監理面我們也在努力那還有就是執法面這個執法面大概我們會放在最後我們都希望罰則只是一個提醒希望大家不要去犯到這個罰則 |
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但是方方面面其實交通部一直都在努力各方面都在努力所以我們在今年的一到二月看到那個整體的這個車禍的死亡人數跟行人的這個死亡人數其實有降到10%整體來說降到10%左右那行人的部分降到15%以下所以這個部分的成效其實初步是有看到的那我們會繼續努力對啊因為這個數據看起來加油的空間還蠻大那我最後再問一個問題 |
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就是說有關這個地下停車場我們前瞻的這個預算是不是已經到今年就結束了那接下來你們是不是有一個4年60億的這個計畫 |
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我們目前還要再努力爭取那這到底有沒有列進去這個預算裡面今年還沒有那明年呢我們在爭取因為我們自己像三重就是說至少還有三個停車場上代努力爭取當然中了那現在就是說這個前瞻沒有了然後這四年六十億又不知道說有沒有人確定要拉進去局長能夠確定有拉進去嗎 |
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就是目前就是已經有報行政院在審查中不過就是還沒有確定但是這個我是覺得有這個需求不是只有我三重或是新北我覺得就是說因為前瞻計畫裡面這個地下停車場興建是一個非常有感的一個政策那我希望說是有感政策能夠延續下去那當然我也會為我自己三重三座地下停車場努力再來爭取當中再麻煩了好謝謝謝謝主席 |
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好謝謝陳培宇陳培宇陳培宇委員不在王美惠王美惠王美惠委員不在我們請土千祺委員好謝謝主席我請我們那個國土署國土署蔡組長請國土署蔡組長 |
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志祺 會員好 蔡組長 我想請問一下那當然這幾年我們行政院針對我們推動人本交通政策有在強力推動那在本席的選區也有開花結果那在去年7月1號我們內政部國土署有推動一個全民參與街道改善平台那這個案子 組長知道嗎我瞭解 |
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那這個案子那時候也有在我們的選區陽梅針對中心路人本環境多目標改善工程那個時候有進行上網投票那當然本席也有在跟民眾請大家來針對這部分盡量去投那當然後來也爭取到我們這一梯次的第一名那所以後來這個案子有在進行那後來也針對這個部分 |
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我們也辦了一場會刊跟一場說明會然後到今年3月的時候也特別邀請我們的路權團體來到服務處那針對負責規劃的桃園市政府來進行對話那把這個人本交通的理念設計在我們的工程裡面 |
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那可是最主要就是說我們在這個案子通過補助之後其實在地方上也有一些雜音像我們去年通過的時候在10月份辦說明會的時候那有些在地的 |
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電家因為憂慮這個工程會影響他的生意也對人本交通這個遠景勸缺想像那甚至有些民代還懷疑是網路外地人灌票那當然在這部分進行的時候我開說明會的時候也有跟他們講那當然我們就針對願意施作的部分我們先施工如果沒有爭議我們才會優先來施作 |
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那今天會講的這一部分就是其實這個部分人本交通當然這理念是很好但是在推動的過程中跟民眾之間可能有很多的地方是需要溝通有很多的疑慮那像這一部分我們對於地方工作坊的部分我們像這部分會針對這個預算會對他們有補助讓他們去協調溝通這部分的問題嗎會 |
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所以我們本身國土署也針對地方工作坊這部分預算補助是有編列的因為我們在補助工程的貴大設計費用裡面它本來就可以做工作坊經費是可以含在裡面好 所以因為我們是有碰到這樣的問題因為我覺得這個補助施作法是另外一個問題反而溝通協調好像反而是我們所面臨到最大的問題所以希望我們地方工作坊 |
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把這些疑義喔能夠讓他跟民眾說清楚因為這好的東西有時候沒有講清楚反而會得到一些更負面的阻力所以我也希望說我們在施作的時候這部分也要來編列預算去排除這些問題沒問題 這我們會全力支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
16604.127 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
16630.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
還有我們全民參與街道改善平台這一部分因為我們當初有講要做已經在設計規劃當中那地方政府也針對目前的工作設計進度可是因為民眾會覺得說從說明會之後也看到我們這個平台當初也很多人去投票後來也有很多的鄉親也很關注可是發現我們這個平台對於一些進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
16631.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
16649.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
好像都沒有去更新是不是這部分可以在平台上稍微注意讓我們有一些進度能夠讓民眾去知道再回去我會加強就是會我們會跟地方政府保持更密切的聯繫把相關的說明會會刊之類的訊息都把它PO上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
16649.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
16661.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
對 因為我們是想說本來已經有設計這個改善平台其實這是很好啦而且我們國土署本身也有這個追蹤機制那所以我們希望這個平台齁能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
16663.015 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
16686.046 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
好好的去使用對於當初有投票還有關心的鄉親我們都能夠適時讓他瞭解我們地方的進度也知道我們政府一直在持續在進行這一部分那希望這部分也來幫我們來好好的瞭解一下因為我們這個中心路我們那時候通過之後我們發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
16687.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
16716.627 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
在陽梅埔心的中心路通過之後周邊很多的道路很多的里長很多的民眾都覺得這是一個很好的政策而且大家對於人本交通人行道的改善設置都非常的注重所以除了中心路之外現在很多周邊的民眾也要求希望能夠做這個人行道的改善那所以這部分好像我們國土署也有請我們市政府養工處在納入設計是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
16717.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
16737.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
好 那這部分也感謝我們國土署那也希望持續來幫我們追蹤進行 希望盡快來完成沒問題 我們一定全力協助好 謝謝組長好 謝謝邱志偉 邱志偉 邱志偉 委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
16739.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
16760.593 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
郵號 郵號 郵號委員不在林楚瑩 林楚瑩 林楚瑩委員不在鄭天才 鄭天才 鄭天才委員不在柴宇 柴宇 柴宇委員不在徐欣盈 徐欣盈 徐欣盈委員不在鄭振淺 鄭振淺 鄭振淺委員不在蘇清泉 蘇清泉 蘇清泉委員不在登記委員經理發言完畢做以下決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
16762.017 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
16782.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
報告及諮詢完畢委員蘇清泉有號徐清穎所提書面諮詢列入紀錄並刊登公報委員於諮詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分請交通部及相關機關盡速以書面答覆本日會議結束 散會 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
16786.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
16797.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
這就是三九天的風景阿我老前後,一眼看傻帥,然後就說我要過關了就丟過了等一下,等一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
16819.398 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
16819.418 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
16840.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
16841.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
感谢观看 |