| IVOD_ID |
166568 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166568 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-22T11:40:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-22T11:47:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/540097afd73d1038b51fdf8c04990e93f200d91c7a5d8c83f2c9a52355be4d2329f8d85ca7d689975ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:40:25 - 11:47:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長、衛生福利部部長、交通部部長、警政署署長、國家安全會議秘書長、國家安全局局長、法務部部長就計畫性攻擊事件進行「社會治安維護之檢討與精進」專題報告並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請內政部的劉部長還有警政署長還有國安局的陳副局長請劉部長張署長還有陳副局長來幾位長官好這件張文的隨機殺人事件幾乎是正結十幾年前的事件的翻版那 |
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這個事件請問他到底是治安還是國安要不要部長先跟我們講一下他治安還是國安還是兩個都有目前依內政部跟各地方的警政系統看起來他是一個隨機殺人是無差別那我們認為到目前為止是一個重大的暴力襲擊案件所以比較傾向是讓社會不安的一個治安問題 |
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他不是國安問題我想網路上有很多謠言我也趁著委員在這邊跟大家報告一下其實他跟中配沒有關係我覺得這種網路的謠言應該適可而止跟中配沒有關係跟國安局副局長不要講一下他跟這個有教授提到什麼第五縱隊有第五縱隊嗎請問 |
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本案是不是涉及第五縱隊原則上他們還在調查目前剛剛從報紙得知部長跟署長講是沒有原則上都是來自境外的信息 |
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所以很清楚的看得到嘛 這是一個重大的暴力事件隨機殺人 隨機殺人的意思是說他要殺的對象是社會 台灣社會 任何人他都可以殺所以這個整個心態是這樣的一個心態那他這個來看的話 請問他是不是背後有沒有有人下詞到齊的有沒有 國安局掌握到有沒有 |
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目前個案還在偵查當中都沒有到目前為止沒有看到這個嗎沒有署長要不要解釋一下就目前有沒有看到他是一個主持犯罪有人指導有人指使以目前現在偵查到目前的進入是還沒有發現到這樣的一個狀況所以對於這個因為他死了嘛所以對於他犯案的 |
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有沒有共犯跟動機還在全面深深的偵查那不過我們現在初步可以看得到掌握的物證其實我們要看要看物證他是一個模仿的一個行為而且是一個這樣的一個跡象而且他是一個類似這些的一個地點 |
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是一個計劃性的行為是一個隨機但是這一點都在他的計劃的一個一個行為在這種情況之下這個你可以看到這個剛才又有人又有冒出來說昨天又有人講今天下午一點半要在北捷放炸彈 |
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這個模仿的部分我們都第一時間會去做查處而且去做偵查而且速度會很快我也利用很多的場合像從開始的案件到目前為止我們現在有發現22件那以前有查核事情都依法來一送正辦我們一定要讓民眾的心安二指這樣的一個模仿的一個行為 |
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其實在台灣我們的治安在全世界是一等一的治安是非常好的啦所以老百姓來講習慣了你知道治安非常好所以大家也不會有那種警覺性拍到這個事情老實講一般的普遍老百姓不知道如何因應不太會 |
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所以你覺得要不要或者是部長跟我們解釋一下你的消局書裡面要不要特別加強一下我們碰到這樣的事情隨機殺人老百姓的怎麼做或者我們要不要演練要不要演習我們下次會把委員的意見加進去不管是我們城鎮任性演習或是精華演習就是在大量群眾的疏散撤離這一塊通常都是用桌上兵推來處理 |
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那下次我們在演習的時候會把這種無腳本式的已經是牽涉到事實的案件把它加進裡面還有小局書的部分其實我們在114年的7月我們的警政署有發布這種類似暴力啦或者是搶劫等等這些但是這是小局書認為因為機率不高沒有列進去下次我們會把它列進去裡面有些內容人家有些醫生打槍你說你們CPI不見得寫得那麼的精準不過這不是我要問的來 |
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這個請教署長我們要不要把煙霧霧彈跟信號彈要不要管制這個目前的煙霧彈跟信號彈是這個煙霧彈是不是管制要沒有管制啊信號彈也沒有管制啊那我覺得這個要嚴厲啦其實從源頭來做一個處理嚴厲看看是不是是不是讓他實名制我覺得就最少實名制可以嗎什麼時候可以實施 |
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我們來嚴厲啦 就是委員這個我看我們是不是用一個月的時間來一個月的時間因為這個可能牽涉到有一些相關的可能有一些是厭惡但是要去做求救的什麼這一類的一個狀況所以還有一些可能像生存遊戲的這一些的一個相關的這個狀況我們是不是就是說像這些不能來用犯罪的一個狀況 |
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那我們是不是怎麼來做一個管制至少實名制啦實名制就沒有問題啦我們這部分來嚴厲好不好好最後一位你們請回我請一下那個衛福部的市長好不好請請請有請理事長理事長我就問你一個很簡單的問題他這個張行啊張文啊他算不算社會的邊緣人 |
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包委我們現在我們社安網的服務對象主要大概是在貧窮家暴 惡虐 逍遙飲 精神疾病還有藥毒防疫 它都不是啊包委 那因為在所謂的邊緣人 我想這個需要嚴格定義啦我們現在目前政府做事我們現在目前基本上還是要有一定的一個整個判斷的標準 |
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那成如剛剛跟委員也在大院裡面有報告我們社安網裡面主要是針對有家暴、惡虐、身心障礙、藥酒飲以及精神疾病你不能加一個進來就是說對於這樣子的一個無差別攻擊或者是在公共場合大規模的隨機殺人要不要放進來 |
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包委我們現在就是這個案例我想他凸顯了兩個問題就是說有一種游泳人他屬於所謂成人孤立另外第二個他是失聯的風險群 |
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那這個我想是新興的張文都是啊 你這兩個張文都是啊所以我們也我們現在目前也會來我也承諾在三個月之內我們趕快會來針對這一類新興的這個部分邀集專家來做你再把他叫進來吧你們原來沒有這一類群的啦沒錯好 謝謝感謝委員 謝謝 |