| IVOD_ID |
166566 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166566 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-22T11:07:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-22T11:17:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:43 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/540097afd73d10381fcff4215c8c61c4f200d91c7a5d8c83aa44b2f8ba70a9796e357ca2c70d75735ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
牛煦庭 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:07:18 - 11:17:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長、衛生福利部部長、交通部部長、警政署署長、國家安全會議秘書長、國家安全局局長、法務部部長就計畫性攻擊事件進行「社會治安維護之檢討與精進」專題報告並備質詢。） |
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廣東部有請廣東部市長市長好 市長 午安這個大家都很擔心啦因為今天稍早又收到了相關的訊息嘛說什麼北捷又有炸彈等等這部分有掌握嗎有 都有掌握好 借這個事情喔其實從不同的面向討論一下啦這個其實也是一個 |
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倒不純然是因為這一件事情這個也是大家一直都有在討論的一件事情也就是說我們的台北車站當然山鐵共購也是全台灣最大的一個交通節點那麼動線其實是非常非常複雜那我們其實都很清楚嘛就是說遇到這樣子隨機攻擊或者是甚至未來有可能很危險等等恐怖攻擊的一個情況如果能夠有效的來做緊急應變大概兩件事情啦一個叫做快速而精準的通報第二個叫做流暢 |
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的疏散我想這是很重要的那當然通報的部分當然是景深系統來負責但疏散的動線我想說我們應該也花一點點時間來討論一下部長這個 |
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台北車站跟迷宮一樣這件事情即便在這之前也有很多人有相關的抱怨也好或者是疑慮也好 擔憂也好這裡面部分不管是跟台鐵公司也好或是跟台北市政府也好有沒有做過一些考慮過思考也就是說我們怎麼樣讓這個動線可以更清楚讓大家在裡面不要迷路然後以提升相關應變的一些效能OK 我想跟委員報告剛確實剛講因為這裡面就是有交通運輸幾乎所有的轉乘都在這裡 |
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捷運的好幾個縣都在紅線 藍線 地下街確實它真的是 還有桃姐確實它真的是變得非常非常的複雜那後面有一些一直增加進來的我想這部分我們會請台鐵公司再跟相關單位再來檢視一下這些的動線有沒有可以讓它更明顯或是更單純化我想這是我們後面我再請台鐵公司來進行優化 |
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這個既然大家 因為今天很多部會都一起來報告啦我希望這個交通部也不要置身事外這一部分有沒有一些比較明確的時間表還有你們現在規劃的一些方向我們現在大概明年明年我想就針對台北站的部分我們先來做一些 看怎麼樣來做一些指標系統的一個改善這個 |
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像類似這樣子的一個方式 這個當然是純粹從交通的角度啦比如說台鐵往哪裡走 然後用設塊的方式 設帶的方式來做引導這其實就一種方式嘛 或者是說 現在台北車站就我的了解啦一樓大概都有所謂的會面點嘛 但那會面點大概其他地方就不是那麼的密集嘛可能地下街啊 樓層 各個地方可能沒有那是不是也可以做比照來做一下設計 |
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那我覺得我今天把這個照片弄出來這是純交通的動線但未來也許因應各式各樣的狀況災害也好 攻擊事件也好疏散的動線其實我覺得可以比照這樣的方式來做處理對 可以 我想這個我了解這應該是在板橋站的部分啦那剛講有相關單位包括高鐵這些我想我還是因為主要當然主體我這邊會請那個台鐵公司 |
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來進行這樣的一個優化那剛剛台立公司他是總經理是有跟我講他現在大概會準備找我是不是請他來可以啊可以啊 請他說明一下都好啊委員好 有關於台北站的指標我們現在目前已經有委託台灣設計研究院把我們的所有的指標做一系列的綠定 |
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那明年就會提出我們的指標設計研究院把它做得很漂亮本席百分之百贊成但關鍵是功能性嘛這個還是功能性還是要你們專業的人來做引導我們剛開始在做設計的時候都有邀請相關單位來從功能性的角度切入那明年我們會針對台北站還有板橋站我們把指標系統做一個整體的優化疏散動線還有更多的會面點 |
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你要讓這個也不只是災害的時候用嘛你多幾個會面點對於台鐵的品質來講也是個幫助啦好不好剛委員提到我覺得那是一個重點剛講不是只是漂漂亮亮的功能性很重要所以未來在做的時候我們會找相關單位剛講了幾個因應單位我想都會帶來一些建議拿進去明年嘛好不好相關資料要讓大家了解共同精進相關的措施好交通部請回 警政署長有請請署長 |
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委員長組長辛苦這個現在我們釐清這個犯案人的動機了沒啊 |
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目前還在持續 因為他人已經死了嘛所以在從各種跡象各種的查過的這個證物以及相關的人員現在多面向要全面深入的去做了解我想要以後要更精準希望給我們一點時間這當然要給你們一點時間因為案發之後有很多不管是特殊的學者也好網路的意見啊或者是特定的媒體 |
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都在大做一些有的沒的消息比如說這個兇手是陸配之子啦這個可能是內部滲透啦這個可能是第五縱隊啊這些詞都出來了那請問警方在第一時間你要核實這樣的消息嗎 |
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我們沒有 這個案件是一個重大案件所以我們這個相關的一個調查都是會在第一時間跟國人時間暫停一下那個現場來跟各位報告一下那個現場還在打訊希望各位在討論的時候聲音能夠降低謝謝主席時間可以繼續這個 |
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我的意思是說你剛都講你要很清楚做完整的調查之後才做一次的公佈嘛對不對那中間出現很多這樣的雜訊跟干擾的時候警政署有沒有第一時間出來嚴正博士啊會 一定會第一時間會來做一個澄清比如講像類似我們從案件開始 |
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我們發布多次的記者會或者是新聞稿都隨時會發就是讓國人了解這個罪行因為這是國人非常關注的一個重大社會事件對 重大社會事件組長 這些相關的謠言也好 奇怪的消息對於穩定社會治安 協助辦案或者是平復社會的焦慮情緒是有幫助的嗎是有幫助 曾經是有幫助 |
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曾經是有幫助 那尤其就是預測有沒有幫助啊預測 你那個預測也是對這個案子是沒有幫助預測沒有幫助 曾經才有幫助的對不對真實的曾經才是有幫助的那你署長有沒有打算追究一下一天到晚預測的這群人的社會責任這樣就是像網路上的這一些如果有牽涉到可能恐嚇維安的這一些我們都會依法依法依法依法依法依法依法依法依法依法 |
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我現在講的是這些針對這樣的事情然後意圖也許是政治操作也許是造謠也許是煽動恐慌警區的這些人我想這些應該都是不必要的啦這些都不必要嘛這我希望警方該追究的時候也要依法來做追究啊因為我跟署長講一個很現實的狀況也就是我剛剛問你警政署針對這件事情的時候有沒有第一時間出來做澄清說沒有這些事情按照調查程序有對不對但是署長你覺得在新聞的露出跟大家資訊的接受上大家有接受到警政署的澄清的訊息嗎 |
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那未來這個部分我們可能會再加強對媒體這樣的一個溝通跟做說明讓民眾能夠更清楚整個我們的一個正確的訊息 |
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第一個你應該要加大澄清的力度讓辦案的案情的這個訊息的統一發布的主導你當然要回到警政署手上我們要尊重警察的專業嘛也要尊重警方的辦案的節奏嘛不要讓這些雜訊去做干擾啦那一個是加大相關澄清的力度第二個就是針對這些有意要造謠或者是有意要渲染的這些人你該記鐵腕手段的時候要不要記出鐵腕手段我們該依法或依法來處理 |
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這個公權力要對重大私安設計負起責任尤其要對相關的謠言我也希望可以負起責任因為這個恐怕嚴重影響公共利益不太在我認為是不太在言論自由的保障範圍之內那這每次都有心人士在這個地方 |
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這捕風捉影或者是意圖影射或者是試圖做政治操作我覺得這只會讓我們的社會更加混亂讓這件事情始終沒有辦法收尾也影響大家針對案情本身不管是危安疏散我們剛討論的項目以下它造成很多很多的負面影響雖然這起事件的兇手已經死亡但造成社會治安法治的信心民眾心理的持續的破壞的這些造謠的人都還逍遙法外 |
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我擔心行政權的選擇性沉默或拒絕積極作為會讓公共安全難以復原所以務必請警政署這邊第一強化警政署才是辦案的主導者相關的訊息你要強烈的而且更大的聲音來做澄清第二你當然要針對這些造謠捕風捉影什麼第五縱隊什麼陸配之子這些東西該究責你也要究責這樣才能最快讓社會穩定下來可以嗎可以我們依法處理好謝謝署長辛苦了 |
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好 謝謝劉徐庭委員的發言那接下來我們先來處理臨時提案那臨時提案共有兩案請宣讀依據我國包養條例規定堂冒險犯難中真不拔撞獵成人者得依法包養並得入室國民革命中獵詞或地方中獵詞 |