| IVOD_ID |
166565 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166565 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-22T10:56:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-22T11:07:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/540097afd73d1038f377f86cc08ec9fff200d91c7a5d8c83aa44b2f8ba70a9796e357ca2c70d75735ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:56:28 - 11:07:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長、衛生福利部部長、交通部部長、警政署署長、國家安全會議秘書長、國家安全局局長、法務部部長就計畫性攻擊事件進行「社會治安維護之檢討與精進」專題報告並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 本席有請劉部長 張署長劉部長 張署長好 |
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我想部長署長在公共場域發生這種暴力事件在台灣陸陸續續我們都看到所以上個禮拜五我們都很痛心所以今天本席不跟你們談政治攻防也不想聽什麼社會任性的口號 |
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本席要來請教我們對於整個的制度我們對於辨識風險早期辨識早期合法介入我們有沒有足夠好的制度只有安全的制度民眾才能安全的活著否則民眾只能靠運氣所以本席首先問現在我們在公共場域 |
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有關這個暴力突發事件我們有沒有全國一致的SOP |
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現在有沒有訂定這個全國有沒有共識我為什麼要這樣問馬上就是聖誕晚會的這種高峰期接著各縣市的跨年活動所以在這種公共場域發生這種暴力攻擊我們整個的相關單位有沒有全國一致性的SOP |
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那這個部分就是對於這個公共場域那公共場域有很多單位的一個當然包含運輸這次發生的運輸或者是其他的人多聚集的這個我們對於類似這個重大仁安是有一個演練跟SOP的所以對於比如講像有全國移植的標準嗎 |
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像這個東西 比如像北捷啦像廣播疏散 那我們的這個組織的這個行為 這個是我們對重大展覽市有做這樣的一個那我請教 有沒有訂定黃金抵達時間通報後幾分鐘要到 誰該到 |
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那這個部分就是快打的一個部隊是我們是有一些這個一個要求那比如講什麼要求啊我就問黃金抵達時間是多久可能在10分鐘以內去做抵達比如講像警力的一個一個整備比如講像類似這一種的到達的時間攜帶裝備各方面的一個狀況那未來我覺得就是說這個就是因為我們這個案子我們應該是要再去做後來的 |
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未來的經濟那我剛才提到過的包含你剛有講嘛10分鐘嘛那這個時間在不同的情況能不能縮短再來現場處置的SOP你從壓制到疏散到封控到醫療後送等等有沒有全國一致的標準我提一個架構就是說我剛才提的任何的狀況 |
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我們第一個時間 剛才提的一定是報案要快就是第一時間的訊息報案要快 本來是我第二題 我順便問你等到報案太慢了所以我們全國部長我們全國有沒有一件事的警報就是緊急按鈕的設置沒有 我們沒有這種剩餘警員的巡邏報案民眾第一個時間最迅速就是110 |
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110的報案就是我們秦始中心就是會把當時的狀況但是發生事情的時候如果有緊急按鈕那會更快速我們看那個影片很多人都還搞不清楚這個到底是有人在放煙火還是還是發生了什麼事大家觀望很久最後才發現 |
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那個緊急按鈕可能也不見得是會去解決問題其實我們的這個受理的110是速度是最快的我覺得你不能說緊急按鈕在一些公共場域可以設置的當然在戶外可能很難但在公共場域這一個部分部長我覺得這個可能部長這個一定要建制 |
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那個委員如果說是緊張就是可能各目的社會主管機關的一個機制那我現在提的這是全國式的就是民眾的發現第一時間就是八萬塊第二個就是剛剛委員所提的到場的速度要快再來第三個部分就是處置要快處置對所以我一直問處置的SOP你回答我一下處置的SOP全國有一致嗎 |
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有訓練過嗎這個本來就是經常在做訓練不是說沒訓練演練頻率是多少 你跟我講有沒有誰驗收 驗收不合格又如何判定那我們就是會 則有各地方縣市警察局來處理部長 署長 這一塊真的要加強 |
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因為現在社會的變化所以我們也很這個大家都不希望看到這種事件警察的辛苦我們也知道所以我接著接著我也要詢問就是說我們這個警察因為面臨這個社會的 |
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這個變異啊我們有關快打或者受這種反恐訓練聽起來是很棒但是我們希望不要再用基層警察的停修和加班換取一時的政治的表演所以我們也要請 |
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這個署長你在會後因為我今天的時間有限我們快打部隊的人力規劃是多少缺額又是多少我們訓練的時數夠不夠演練的頻率是多少裝備更新了沒有還有預算從哪裡來所以 |
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署長今天回答也許讓我們大家很滿意可是這個背後的執行面還有包含我們不能壓榨我們基層的警力我們希望這個是真的有充足的經費充足的人力署長這樣可以嗎也謝謝委員支持警察的預算跟經費謝謝 |
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你要先回答我 我剛說的你會後一定要回覆我可以嗎 沒問題那接著請兩位先回座 本席接下來要問衛福部好不好 衛福部的代表我看一下好 次長 呂次長請呂次長次長 我們 |
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一樣針對衛福部這邊我們不希望制度是等到自傷傷人的事件出現了發生了公權利才介入所以有關制度漏接的孤立者請問衛福部有沒有相關的機制 |
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報告 報告委員 我想我們本次事件確實暴露了我們現在就是說 有一類是屬於我們剛剛說的高度突發性 但是非典型這類他有兩個特性 第一個你不用解釋這個 我們的制度我們現在衛福部這裡 針對有一些可能應該家人或鄰里已經察覺他不對勁在他還沒有拿刀砍人之前 我們政府所能做的最早期介入 |
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你們有沒有這樣的一個怎麼樣的方式是 幫忙委員 我現在先說嘛 我們現在傳統我們現在主要大概是針對像貧窮家暴還有像要酒飲等等這類那像剛剛委員 剛剛你所說的這類我剛剛我也在回覆另外一位委員的時候 我們也說到就是說這個所謂非典型的部分 我們現在目前在三個月之內 |
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邀集相關的一些專家學者來進行相關的一個整個這個部分的一個整個對象但是我要跟委員報告我們必須要把事件背後的風險因子我們現在必須要把它先先釐清沒關係 這些細節你們該釐清的釐清但是我們希望這個也還是一樣社會一直在變化所以現在變成生理生病的人他可能不會傷人但心理生病的人他可能造成很多其他人的傷亡 |
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所以這一塊是新的課題 我們認同也請衛福部一定要重視 可以嗎那最後我想請部長也一起來 還有衛福部我們針對這個是不是有一個主責的責任鏈也就是說有關社福醫療警政各自掌握零碎的訊號我們整體的整合有沒有這種責任鏈 |
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是 包委員 我們其實我們社安網裡面其實事實上就是整合了五個部會誰主責 現在到底哪一個部會會主責社安網的部分是由衛福部來主責 這沒錯那我跟委員報告 但是現在問題就是說剛剛我們過去的一個部分傳統的典型的主要是 我再重複一次貧窮 家暴 兒虐 身心障礙 藥酒飲以及精神疾病但是現在目前我們陳副委員剛剛所說我們現在面對的可能是一個新興的 |
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包風險個案的整合機制是衛福部來主責是嗎沒有人可以回答我們現在就是到底整個行政院各部會誰來主責呢包委我們現在目前就是我們現在目前有一個我們的從2018年開始有一個整個社安網的 |
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那我們會用一個一組折多協力的一個方式對一組折那誰是一組折那我們現在目前要看那個整個不同的一個他的一個事件發生以後看是誰不是不是我們現在目前當然就是說有一些criteria我們要看那個整個主要問題看他在哪邊那我們就會有一個整個這個水平的一個整個協調機制 |
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592.153 |
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614.582 |
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好那最後我佔用一點時間最後一題我想我們針對被害人的資源是不是可以一路走到終點做得到嗎包含被害人的保護他的法律輔助心理支持等等是不是能夠一路陪伴到審查終結進行包含整個的過程的關懷 |
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615.662 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
631.836 |
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這個部分我們政府有沒有人可以針對這些受害人我們現在目前就是有整個法務部那邊有一個範保的機制有嘛 沒錯OK 我們大家一起努力好 謝謝感謝委員 謝謝 |