| IVOD_ID |
166562 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166562 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-22T10:26:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-22T10:39:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/540097afd73d10381aea80614f4f7346f200d91c7a5d8c83aa44b2f8ba70a979e9d50a309363faa25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
麥玉珍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:26:22 - 10:39:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長、衛生福利部部長、交通部部長、警政署署長、國家安全會議秘書長、國家安全局局長、法務部部長就計畫性攻擊事件進行「社會治安維護之檢討與精進」專題報告並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席各位同仁大家好執行時間有限但還是先請大家借給我10秒鐘為這次北捷的中山商圈隨機殺人案件無辜罹難的民眾以及建議勇為的市民默哀10秒鐘謝謝 |
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謝謝大家有請我們的警政署署長有請張署長委員好署長好為什麼要這樣做是我們每天經過的路真的 |
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這次北捷中山商圈隨機殺人的事發當下嫌犯頭戴防堵面罩身上也穿了 |
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背心防治背心又拖著一整箱的煙霧彈這麼明顯突兀的裝扮走進北捷站無人發現盤查讓他先在台北車站丟煙霧彈並車傷見義勇為的市民後 |
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在採用步行的方式花了一個小時徒行徒步走向中山山圈繼續在承平南西店作案這段時間警方 |
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應接後多起通報分批前往無法待一滴時間掌握犯險的行蹤阻止傷亡擴大我們未來還有什麼能夠改進的措施或者制度另外作案用M18的煙霧彈並非一般民生用品 |
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要請教我們警方是否已經掌控他熟悉的管道還有說必要從源頭與網路的平台加強管制避免危險物品流入社會 |
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基層警方已經非常辛苦了我們不是責怪而是要補制度的漏洞我們要請署長就是具體的說明未來如何讓警方更早一步也讓人民更安心一步 |
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好 謝委員 我想任何的這個案件能夠第一時間去做這個處置防止那我剛也都提過就是說有發現狀況有報案 報案要快我們的同仁到場要快 處置要快那能夠防止這些這個狀況往外去做一個更不可預控的情形 |
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那為所提的就是這個煙霧彈的這個狀況我們目前初步了解他是從網路上過的就是網路過的那至於這個煙霧彈目前不是管制物品不是管制物品那未來我們可能也會做來研究是不是在從源頭來做管理比如講像登記制什麼這類這個我們來做研究 |
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很好因為我們希望是說有什麼措施什麼就是制度還有就是要管制不管是地方還是網路所以呢因為雖然是目前已經提高就是說決應站的見景率加強我們巡查但依照目前調查 |
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就是犯嫌以刻意模仿2014年的北捷隨機殺人案要請教我們的署長 第一對於這類具高度模仿的風險也可依側行為模式的重大公共安全的案件警政署是否張 |
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重疊的特徵 納入常態性例行性的警務風險評估還有就是刑防的制度 第二如何避免社會警惕逐漸下降後讓模範案就是 |
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有可趁之機找空窗期第三圖了提高建警力警政署是否已經有跨捷運警政社會安全網的長期長期的預設防範策略而不是就是現在發生短期的加強 |
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有沒有委員那我想對於這個這個案件我們現在初步看起來是有模仿這個政協的這個狀況那這些都是我們 |
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對員警訓練的一個就是未來執勤的一個教育的方式不管在訓練裝備或演練我們會朝這樣方面來做制度上的一個精進 |
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那第二個部分就是說 發生案件之後 我們也希望我們的國人不要去做模仿我們這段期間也有發現 大概有 到目前為止有22件的在網路上的這個 有這樣的一個狀況那我們對這樣的一個行為 我一定要 就是要跟全國人民 這個是犯法的 |
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所以我們現在目前只要是國內的現在目前到目前已經超過三個來移送來移送這個來移送偵辦這個是會影響我們的社會民心那我們也呼籲我們國人不要去以身試法也不要把它當作一個嬉戲如果說當作嬉戲但是你這個狀況也是也是是違法的那第三個部分就是說 |
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這個案件我們當然去會檢討整體那這個整體的狀況當然還有一些治本的一個狀況比如我剛剛所提的這社會安全網那就是要從根本要跟其他我們會結合其他相關部會來一起來解決我們這個類似這些高風險的這些反社會人格的這種狀況來及早的做應驗跟預防或者是去做處置那我們檢方這個區塊是 |
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案件發生之後我們去做處置那源頭的部分我們會結合其他相關部會來一起努力 |
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好 謝謝因為要用多一點時間讓我們的署長去回應我們希望今天聽到的就是可以有可持續可複製制度化的防範方案這樣的話讓人民更安心所以才讓你多講一點時間 不好意思再請我們的衛福部的次長再給我一點時間 |
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委員好市長好我們都認同基本的警察真的很辛苦所以政府更加強做到的就是預防剩餘治療社會安全網的計畫從民國107年的推動現在已經升級到 |
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2.0了但是發生這樣子的BG仍然發生所以非常遺憾的也高度的關注所以呢我們這名嫌犯過去是否曾被納入社會安全網的列管和關懷的對象 |
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非常感謝委員的一個垂詢我剛剛也向委員報告本案並不是屬於社安網的過去通報的機制我跟委員報告他並沒有典型的通報的指標他也沒有之前任何求助的紀錄 |
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那這裡面我們也我覺得剛剛署長剛剛也有說在源頭的部分我們社安網這邊會來進行相關的一個檢討這裡面包括就是說官方委員也知道我們的社安網的過去主要事實上是針對幾個對象典型的世界各國的社安網包括貧窮 |
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家庭暴力兒虐身心障礙藥酒飲還有精神疾病這個我並然後我們在現在社安網裡面我們現在又擴充兩類第一個是獨居老人第二個是就是這一個比較可能高風險的一個家庭這裡面他的現行的這個通報機制譬如說我們剛剛說的就是說可能社會孤立等等這些部分我們會來本部會來加強這方面的一個演繹 |
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好好謝謝我們市長如果沒有就是我們是都沒有被列入所以因為這個原因就是導致也落掉他了所以呢我們希望的如何去加強改進還有相關單位的通報還有追蹤介入機制還有我們就是要確實的 |
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啟動 避免再有更多的落網之魚 這個是我們我們想要知道的 因為時間的關係 最後就是我要強調的說 |
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對於突發這個案件後政府與社會第一要件就只有一個就是及時止血還有就是阻止傷亡的擴大迅速依法集中還有任何資訊的傳播都應以協助緊立方案穩定社會秩序的為前提而不是就是未經查證 |
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採測 |
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捕風抓影還有貼標籤的還有這些錯誤的信息不只無助我們的破案反而製造恐慌甚至煽動族群的仇恨傷害無辜對於網路上的一些扭曲為第五縱隊還有散播方案的身份遙遠甚至在社群平台揚言發動 |
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恐攻的行為還有人還有謠言傳說犯人是陸配的新二代我們真的很肯定相關部會在第一個時間我們陸委會出面澄清 |
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也譴責有心人士藉不心這個事件激發對立更重要的是制度面必須要補破網因此本席要求警政署與衛福部針對警力的協調危機的處理社會安全網的高度風險個案的通報機制在一週內是不是可以提出 |
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檢討還有改善的計畫報告我也要提醒警力有限我們的名利無從社會安全網不是靠仇恨堆壘而是靠理性守法與彼此信任共同完成拒絕謠言停止 |
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造謠也停止要應用這樣子的話就是要真的有很多網路我覺得網路不只是造謠不只是分類還有很多讓我們覺得說這個網路的生態真的是無法無天也要社會大眾支持大家千萬別 |
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就是被這樣不實的誤打全民有義務責任共同維護社會和諧避免紮身社會分化這也是我們守護台灣最基本最重要的一道防線 謝謝大家謝謝 麥玉珍委員接下來請黃建斌召委 |