| IVOD_ID |
166560 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166560 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-22T10:08:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-22T10:18:38+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/540097afd73d1038b0d129be5b9d9018f200d91c7a5d8c83aa44b2f8ba70a97969935296c30cbcfd5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張宏陸 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:08:22 - 10:18:38 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長、衛生福利部部長、交通部部長、警政署署長、國家安全會議秘書長、國家安全局局長、法務部部長就計畫性攻擊事件進行「社會治安維護之檢討與精進」專題報告並備質詢。） |
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來 我請內政部劉部長 警政署長還有交通部副政次請你上你好我們今天大家都用沉痛的心情來這邊質詢我想先請教署長在這一次在台北車站裡面發生了這件事情我想問一下台北車站這一棟大樓裡面 |
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高鐵是什麼警察負責?高鐵是鐵路警察局然後呢?台北市政府警察局然後呢?車站的大廳呢?車站大廳也是鐵路警察局車站的外面呢?台北市政府警察局就同一棟大樓有三個單位在負責是不是這樣? |
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兩個單位啦就是鐵路前台北市政府檢察局那你捷運檢察局咧那台北市的也是啊 我對啊就兩個單位是兩個單位但台北市政府就管起來兩個單位了嘛對不對一個捷運檢察局一個外面的一般警察嘛 |
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所以其實以前就有說過同樣一個這樣子其實問題會很多 |
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那像這一次的事件我個人是認為有的人主張像什麼就要發什麼細胞簡訊或什麼我個人認為這還有商圈不過如果像有這種事情發生的時候我們警察的系統裡面能不能自己發給自己警察系統 |
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現在有什麼特殊情況發生怎麼樣怎麼樣第一時間讓他們知道因為你們除了無線電之外我覺得這個也是另外一個然後也讓所有的警察都知道包括幹部包括基層警察 |
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委員 這個沒問題了 一發生我們就通報了就是說橫向聯繫的各相關單位所以我在第一時間我就通報不是只有通報台北市 通報全國 因為它是一個流動的我知道啦 你的通報 但現在很多人會覺得你們的通報好像有點小小的瑕疵嘛 |
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對不對 剛剛有委員在質詢我們都有聽到 我只問啦這樣子可不可以啦 有沒有可能做得到啦有沒有必須做到啦我想我們的警察單位對於發生這個案件那除了就是說當地的這個圍捕之外其他做招臨近的我們的警察機關跟外勤的執勤統領是會做通報的 |
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我剛剛說的 如果細胞檢訊給瘦二菌你覺得有沒有需要做到就是用手機的細胞的這種對啦 有沒有再必要再加強啦這個我想我們的食物面可能最快的還是以無線電這樣來通報會最快不見得他當時拿的手機就會這個 |
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這個可能要再研究好啦 沒關係你回去研究啦你的無線電通報我不相信坐在裡面的警察局局長他一定都有收到他的無線電他有隨時配在身邊嗎報告員那個通報是群組中心會通報通報之後就會報告這個就是會有落差嘛 |
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對不對 你敢承認沒有落差嗎你敢說都沒有落差嗎我想這個一定是我們的規範這個是我們的是啦 現在就跟你講補不足的地方嘛有沒有需要你回去研究嘛那這部分我們拿回去研究再來這個 |
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有沒有 我們台灣雖然對這個突發狀況我也不認為這個是要把它界定成恐怖攻擊了因為台灣在恐怖攻擊裡面排名還是很那個也不算是恐怖攻擊但我們要有危機意識 |
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我請交通部上來就是說交通部我們未來有沒有透過AI透過什麼我們只要在任何車站或什麼我們不要去辨識人也不要辨識如果有騷動有快速的人群的移動或什麼的我們這個馬上AI系統然後就可以連結警察然後這樣子來讓警察第一時間也可以掌握對我想這部分做不做得到 |
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我想剛有關心到這個問題我想我剛提到我們大概兩個月後續去看因為過去我們其實曾經曾經要想做一些影像的辨識你們在台中的豐原火車站其實就有這套設備了嘛對不對 |
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是啦 因為是因為人權嘛那我們現在不是要你去做人臉 做什麼辨識嘛對特殊的情況一發生馬上 其實AI現在都可以處理啦對不對 有人群的騷動有火有什麼的 馬上就可以跟警察連線啊是 這個我們來做研議好不好剛剛講的 因為在這個人權啊這個之間 取得一個平衡我剛剛提到 也跟那個前面委員提到我們兩個去做一個研議這樣子 |
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好 這個我特別請你上來 就是署長你有沒有覺得如果未來有這套系統然後讓警察也第一個時間掌握你覺得這樣子會不會比較好我覺得很好很好啦 好那再來啦每次發生的像這種事情哇 基層警察承受的壓力也很大啦剛剛這個委員有質詢有什麼 |
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署長 我們現在警察的基本教育基本的訓練有沒有特別像這種 我再說一次不算恐怖攻擊啦但這種隨機這一種的 我們有沒有在我們的警察從不管警專警大我們上課裡面有沒有特別教這些 |
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食物上對於這個重大人安的一個這個狀況那我們警察單位是有在做這個訓練的那未來這個的狀況我們把這個重大人的 |
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我直接講啦 有沒有可能把未來像這種的列入基本的課材基本的要 會 一定會一定會 會把它列入課材這應該很快吧 不管是在警專或警大會列為這個警察實務的這個教材對嘛 應該馬上就可以要求了嘛馬上就可以做了嘛我希望能夠做到這一點啦不要讓基層的警察 遇到這個 你看 |
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他有心要保護人民但他可能對這些基本的他可能也沒遇過啊 上課也沒教啊我覺得一定要教啦 好不好可以嗎 可以可以喔 我最後喔 |
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全世界各國的警察他的職務的內容其實都不一樣署長你應該很清楚像以色列的警察對這種恐怖攻擊或什麼的他是基本職責是不是對嘛那其實美國還有很多國家慢慢的警察其實都基本職責都有這些了吧 |
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是吧 所以台灣雖然不是受恐怖攻擊這種國家但我們要預防於未來還有像這種突發狀況我們的警察我希望在他上課的時候就都要教他要讓他有這個基礎的素養 |
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可以嗎可以 我們都希望他每個同仁都有防恐的素養對啦 他不只保護人民也要保護警察自己第一線衝鋒的人你不讓他有這種基本的訓練跟認知 |
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你是害他亂衝而已啊你要保護我們基層的安全吧 好不好好 那明年可以開始了嗎可以 我們我們會以這個案件做一個案例就是會加強這些 |
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署長我的意思不是這樣不是以這個案例我的意思是說你去看全世界有那麼多以色列什麼的你去拿人家的教材你就把它當成基本的我們會來訓練可以 明年可以部長要說 |
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謝謝委員的垂詢其實反恐跟防恐教育在警察是屬於專業警察我們有保一到保七但是對於地方警察上面這樣的勤務教育或者是加上他們對這個危機意識的提高不管是在在職訓練或者是在學校的教育訓練裡面我們會加進去不會只有單一個案讓他可以提高自己的警覺同時我也跟委員報告就是我們的警察同仁包括基層的警察同仁不怕辛苦 |
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那這次呢有媒體上面看到基層警員上面這樣子的一個情緒上部我也是有慰問他我認為說警察的正辦就是做好我們警察的要務那有人會推崇你那也許有人也會有不同的聲音但是我們做我們應該做的事情這是警察的責任 |
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沒有錯啦 你看我今天的質詢我從來沒有說警察 我還是替他們說話他們的辛苦 很多人不知道啦但 我們要做他最充足的後備從開始進入學校 然後到現在我們要讓我們未來的我們的警察弟兄有這些基本的常識 有這些基本的訓練那也保護他的安全 也保護全國人民的安全啦好 那請委員支持檢討的預算我最支持啦 謝謝 |