| IVOD_ID |
16651 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16651 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-35-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-07T08:31:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-07T11:25:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:53:32 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/7a505bc1fba11f2dbec65557fcf0aacb53399f7931ebeeba14bfadd538e1bbbfd10cbe23be5d6df65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請僑務委員會委員長、經濟部次長、國家發展委員會副主任委員報告「美國對等關稅政策對僑台商全球布局之挑戰，及我政府協助僑台商之具體策略與措施」，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:28 - 11:25:00 |
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今天可以回禮好 |
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請問可不可以來寫一寫代替對 |
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那寫下去我等一下會第三發言趕快趕快 |
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報告委員會初期委員8人已足法定人數好現在開始開會請議事人員先讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第11屆第三會期 外交及國防委員會第10次全體委員會議議事錄時間 中華民國114年4月23日星期三上午9時至12時36分地點紅龍森林會議室出席委員盧美玲等11人 列席委員黃國昌等19人列席人員國防部部長顧立雄及所屬人員 外交部政務次長 |
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陳明祺及所屬人員國家安全局副局長黃明昭總統府秘書長潘孟安未列席國家安全會議秘書長吳釗燮未列席主席黃周吉委員人報告十 想依宣讀上次會議意思錄決定確定二 邀請國防部部長 外交部部長國家安全局局長總統府秘書長國家安全會議秘書長報告近期國軍外交部總統府國安會遭共諜滲透 |
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考核管制之具體做法並被質詢國防部部長顧立雄 外交部政務次長陳明祺國家安全局副局長黃明璋報告委員盧美林等16人質詢均由國防部部長顧立雄法律事務司司長審視為 |
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衛教部政務次長陳明祺人事處處長呂士一及國家安全局副局長黃明昭等即席答覆決定一登記質詢在場委員均已發言完畢報告及巡打結束二委員嚴代化所提書面質詢列入紀錄勘兵公報三委員所提書面及口頭質詢未及答覆或要求提供資訊請相關機關與二周內書面答覆本會全體委員並複製本會委員另指定期限者從期鎖定通過臨時提案二案宣讀完畢 |
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1995.806 |
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2013.218 |
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請醫事人員宣讀報告事項報告事項邀請僑務委員會委員長經濟部次長國家發展委員會副主任委員報告美國對等關稅政策對僑台商全球佈局之挑戰及我政府協助僑台商之具體策略與措施並被質詢宣讀完畢 |
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2017.413 |
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現在介紹在場的委員及介紹列席的官員我們第一個是習曉欣委員那我們僑務委員會委員長 習家軍委員長副委員長 阮昭雄主任秘書 榮佑兒 |
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綜合規劃處副處長許浩鈞張浩鈞抱歉僑民處處長賴立穎僑教處處長林紀榮僑商處處長游凱全 |
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僑生處處長王于儒僑屋通信社社長吳小竹我們財團法人海外信用保證基金董事長林保錫我們財團法人海華文教基金會執行長陳柏秦我們經濟部常務次長陳建信 |
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賴建信 抱歉投資司副市長 呂貞慧中小及新創企業署主任秘書 李嘉琴國際貿易署主任秘書 戴婉容產業發展署主秘 陳國仙 |
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研管局投资服务组副组长吴淑芬国家发展委员会副主任委员高先桂经济发展处副组长陈美菊 |
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行政院國家發展基金管理會副執行秘書施明山本日會議邀請僑務委員會委員長及經濟部次長國家發展委員會副主委來作為報告 |
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針對美國對等關稅政策對喬台商全球佈局之挑戰及我政府協助喬台商之具體策略與措施並被質詢首先先請喬務委員會委員長我們習委員長上來報告 |
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黃昭偉在座各位委員各位先進大家早安今天緊究美國對等關稅政策對橋台商全球布局之挑戰以及我政府協助橋台商之具體策略及措施進行專案報告報告分為一前言第二橋台商在對等關稅下面臨的挑戰三橋委會對於橋台商的具體策略與協助措施以及第四結與四個段落敬請不吝指教 |
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首先海外橋台商遍佈全球主要是以移民定居在海外的台商企業人士為主幹 |
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長年橋台商定居在橋居國深耕當地的市場具有在地人脈及通路的優勢而各地橋台商組織與綿密的網絡更是協助台灣深化與當地國合作交流行銷台灣佈局全球的最佳夥伴展望當前的世界局勢地緣政治的衝突未歇各國的貿易爭端再起 |
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日前美国总统提出的对等关税政策对多国进口商品加征关税为全球经济带来前所未有的挑战本会会持续的透过台湾的优势搭建海内外合作平台来串联海外侨台商与国内产官学员的共同发展来汇聚侨台商的力量 |
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目前已經具有一定成效但是因應全球的趨勢變化及發展會配合政府的經貿政策持續來強化相關的聯繫服務與時俱進的提供相關的政策方案協助橋台商因應各種的挑戰首先在對等關稅的衝擊下全球橋台商面臨的挑戰有以下幾點分別就第一 |
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全球供應鏈從量變變質變過去規模化生產成本最小化的導向面對新的關稅壁壘低成本走向高彈性的供應鏈來臨企業需要建構更加彈性生產的網絡調整全球的佈局供應鏈的重組也將會形成新一波橋台商移民的現象 |
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第二產業過度集中在單一市場的經營風險日益增加透過區域整合多邊參與來降低單一市場的風險已成為當務之急政府除了積極加入亞太 |
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印太經濟戰略CPTPP等相關的國際區域組織之外也深化與新南向及其他新興的市場國家來連結並與美日歐等國家合作開拓多元的市場來分散風險第三產業的轉型刻不容緩關稅改變全球貿易的模式產業需要捨棄低價競爭的思維提高技術發展差異化的優勢 |
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淨零及數位雙軸轉型已經成為全球發展的趨勢政府也將持續協助產業因應趨勢降低衝擊橋委會也會在此針對台灣的軟硬實力來整合提供橋台商協助至於在具體的策略及措施的項目上有以下幾點跟各位委員報告 |
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一 海外橋台商是我國國力的延伸橋委會除了扮演整合的平台連結海外橋台商對內也會整合中央部會地方政府民間工協會大專院校技術研發機構及產業資源來協助橋台商的事業發展同時匯聚橋台商的力量來壯大台灣促進海內灣共同拓展新的全球市場創造互惠雙贏的局面 |
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為加強服務的精準度並因應美國對等關稅政策帶來的挑戰本會近期也將責成所有駐外人員以及運用全球的商會網絡辦理座談會及問卷調查廣泛收集各國 |
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橋台商在橋距地之不同產業類別對美出口佔比及受關稅影響的程度作為政府後續研擬協助措施及政策依據之相關的參考接下來將針對海外橋台商的聯繫服務上面的具體策略說明如下第一 |
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壯大商會的體系、擴大組織的動能海外台商會是以服務橋台商及團結橋界的重要組織隨著全球供應鏈的重組台積電日前已前往美國、日本、德國設廠台商在新南向國家也建立了新的產業聚落各地陸續成立新的商會以近期來說本會有協府成立、立陶宛、義大利、阿拉伯大公國 |
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進度柏柳等地成立商會協服商會更加健全發展同時也扮演中介的橋樑協助橋台商解決問題培養商會的幹部人才透過以上的努力來維持橋台商的聯繫服務的平台同時擴增相關的觸角第二在於運用輕商的優勢來提升台灣與當地國的連結 |
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青商具有在地化、國際化以及全球化的優勢為加強培養青商本會積極協輔成立青商會支持青商會的會務發展並辦理全球青商潛力之星的選拔與輔導每兩年舉行一次邀請海外青商回台參訪等多元資源來擴大青年的參與深化與國內產經學界合作連結 |
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更與他們在僑居國的當地能夠發揮更大的影響力三 鏈結僑台商與台灣優勢的對接合作的發展台灣的產官學研能量豐沛為引建台灣的科研能量協服海外僑台商轉型升級同時協助國內開發開拓國際市場本會與國內的14所研發機構及39所大專院校陸續合作推動僑台商的服務方案 |
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迄今已促成世界級、洲際級及各國台商會與國內簽署多項合作備忘錄並展開交流合作例如去年北美洲台灣商會聯合總會與中華電信簽署MOU北美旅館工會導入資策會或國內的AI業者的科技運用與旅館管理等等都是助攻台商數位轉型的一個具體的案例四 |
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精進橋台商的體質經營擴大海外的商機交流近年本會配合六大核心戰略產業及五大信賴產業等政策辦理了數位轉型 |
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智慧安控、創新產業等各項主題的培訓、研習活動及邀訪安排海外的橋台商反台觀摩交流並進行各項商機媒合會邀請國內廠商與橋台商洽談注意橋台商掌握商情並了解國內產業發展建構海外及國內合作平台 |
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五、運用台灣的優勢來建構行銷網絡本會歷年來會結合商會、僑團的資源辦理經貿專題講座以及美食巡迴展充分展現台灣的軟實力及拓展外交、觀光、文化等等提升台灣年進度 |
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從今年的規劃路線在18國49個地區都會帶動當地的橋台商進行相關的行銷策略來促進海內外與國內的觀光產業對接合作也增加海外的相關產業到台灣深度參訪的機會 |
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第六,輔助橋台商發展自由品牌行銷台商的製造本會與經濟部、外貿協會、駐外管處及台商會共同合作從110年起就辦理海外台商精品獎的選拔輔導活動,迄今共選拔出42件精品 |
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獲獎的企業會由海外信保基金、國際的知名會計師事務所提供相關的輔導協助並享有冒險品牌輔導的資源以及相關的創新推介的諮詢深化台商與台灣產業人才技術服務的鏈結也幫助台灣能夠更加的打入各國的國際市場 |
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第七 在前瞻全球市場協助企業永續經營方面 營運國際的淨零碳排排放的趨勢本會也在國內開辦了包括淨零排放 循環經濟 ESG 等研習班聘請專家也赴海外辦理相關講座 輔導包括新南向 越南 泰國等成立碳中和科技聯盟協會 |
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除此之外112年調查新南向重點五國的台商面臨淨雲轉型的需求去年113年更協服越南台商辦理溫室氣體的盤查本年將會進一步推動淨零碳排概念的強化計畫來透過種子培訓營輔導在地南向的台商能夠升級轉型永續發展第八 |
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2826.725 |
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將進一步協助橋台商的資金融通擴展事業的規模本會輔導海外信保基金成為橋台商的融資後援目前在全球有25國51個地區共有200家的銀行金融機構承辦並且可以運用國內的31家OBU來辦理相關的融資 |
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的相關作業因應美國關稅通緝本會會請基金研議透過融資保證加強來協助受影響的橋台商同時也將持續輔導基金提升營運績效來協助橋台商取得資金擴大事業規模及影響力拓展全球的佈局與投資 |
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2863.148 |
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最後的結語面對當前的關稅挑戰下僑委會將會持續的結合相關的資源來深化全球僑台商的聯繫服務促進海內外優勢對接多元的佈局共創新的全球市場讓台灣與僑台商的事業都能夠因應國際經貿趨勢的變動迅速應變調整以提升產業的競爭力與韌性 |
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共創立足台灣,佈局全球,加強美國行銷世界,這樣永續的繁榮願景。以上報告,請各位委員不吝指教及支持。感謝大家。接著請經濟部賴次長進行報告。 |
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主席 諸位委員 大家好美國對等關稅政策對台商全球佈局帶來衝擊跟挑戰經濟部將配合廠商多元佈局的這個需求協助台商進行因應調整敬請各位委員不吝指教以上是報告內容首先針對於美國對等關稅政策對台商之衝挑戰與經濟部具體協助的措施 |
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2964.663 |
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美國川普總統上任之後採行對等關稅的政策不但衝擊了台商既有的佈局關稅政策的不確定性也為台商未來的佈局規劃帶來巨大的挑戰經濟部在對等關稅宣布的第一個時間立即透過 |
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我驻外的经济组关怀了解重点国家台商针对于对等关税的影响情形及应处的做法并收集厂商的各项的需求与建议 |
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2980.984 |
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3003.882 |
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多數台商優先與客戶商討如何進行成本分攤並持續關注當地政府因應方式與關稅最後實施情形,據評估實質影響針對未來佈局策略,台商將更加謹慎做出投資決策與因應調整 |
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但確定的是將持續地以分散風險建立韌性供應鏈的角度與客戶商討 |
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3037.835 |
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供應鏈產能佈局的策略進行多點多區域的佈局經濟部配合廠商因應對等關稅的政策所延伸的多點多區域的佈局及減緩對等關稅衝擊的需求提供以下的協助與措施首先是提供對等關稅的正確及時資訊 |
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3053.839 |
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針對眾多已在海外投資佈局的台商最關心能在當地取得對等關稅的正確及時資訊經濟部透過我遍布海外各國駐地經濟組密切關注當地國受對等關稅影響之發展 |
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3077.793 |
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並持續收集當地政府最新的政策措施以提供企業的支持、協助方案內容等資訊並透過各台商會組織之溝通平台利用各項活動持續跟台商提供正確及時的資訊第二 |
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3090.894 |
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提供海外布局多元資訊與交流平台經濟部提供多元資訊跟交流平台提供廠商運用 |
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3092.25 |
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3117.155 |
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其中包括會編每年定期更新的全球89國投資環境的簡介新南向重點國家投資稅務法規問答集新南向適合台商進駐的工業區重點國家產業聚落地圖等投資評估參考資料令經濟部每年辦理不同國家的投資說明會 |
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3119.564 |
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3146.17 |
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選定國家籌組投資考察團廠商可以透過參加相關的活動與當地國招商投資建立聯繫溝通的管道除此之外經濟部在越南、泰國、菲律賓印尼、印度、馬來西亞等六國設立了台灣投資窗口聘用熟悉當地投資環境及語言、中文 |
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3147.355 |
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3173.915 |
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之专人担任窗口提供厂商投资资讯跟引介服务第三是境外关内政策针对锁定前往日本跟欧洲投资的台商则可运用经济部的境外关内政策资源针对于台湾的优势产业透过以大带小的方式协助产业供应链之中小企业海外群聚布局 |
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3175.4 |
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3189.137 |
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經濟部從去年12月到今年的4月分別在捷克跟日本設立了台灣貿易投資中心,未來也規劃在美國設立提供台商一站式的投資服務。 |
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第四是對美諮詢服務,針對有意佈局美國市場之台商經濟部透過線上的表單及服務專線的方式提供廠商對美諮詢服務,包括對等關稅。 |
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3206.627 |
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3224.272 |
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與對美投資相關問題廠商可以下取第五是減緩關稅衝擊的支持方案針對於受對等關稅影響的海內外台商也關心政府是否有支持方案協助廠商渡過難關經濟部以從寬從延從速的原則推動因應 |
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3229.264 |
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3253.647 |
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美國關稅我國出口供應鏈支持方案針對金融支持提升產業競爭力及開拓多元市場等三大面向提供四項措施其中包括外銷貸款優惠保證加碼中小微企業多元發展貸款加碼研發轉型補助及爭取海外訂單 |
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3255.472 |
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3281.772 |
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投入經費460億元另對於在台有設立公司的廠商可以透過經濟部免付費的諮詢專線或是政府設立的網頁專區查詢另外針對於在台沒有設立公司的台商經濟部也會透過對外駐外的經濟組持續的收集相關的資訊提供台商參考 |
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3302.479 |
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最後跟大家說明對等關稅的措施目前雖然是暫緩實施但是我們將持續關注後續的情勢發展同步關懷台商受影響的情形及海外佈局的相關需求經濟部在國內已經設立了免費諮詢專線及網頁專區提供業者諮詢了解 |
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3330.422 |
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另在海外透过各国经济组持续收集当地国回应的方式与可能协助的措施及时转供台商参考利用提供海内外台商不间断的服务与协助以上报告敬请各位委员指正视教敬祝各位委员身体健康诸事顺利 |
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3335.854 |
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3338.949 |
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接著請國家發展委員會高副主委報告 |
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3349.966 |
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3366.4 |
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主席 各位委員先進 大家好國發會櫃委員會所提的議題進行報告首先說明美國的關稅新政美國川普總統上任後為重塑美國的製造業 縮減貿易逆差就根據1977年的國際緊急經濟權利法 |
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3371.804 |
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3394.165 |
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在4月9號對台灣課徵了32%的關稅但他隨即宣布出中國外其他國家對等關稅暫緩實施90天那目前正在跟各國進行關稅的諮商同時他也援引貿易擴張法232條款面對特定的產品課徵關稅那目前台灣跟其他國家一樣在與 |
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3396.287 |
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3406.799 |
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鋼還有汽車零組件也課25%的關稅至於台灣出口的對大中的半導體它4月14號宣布要進行國安調查那調查完畢以後將據以對該產品課徵進口的關稅 |
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那其實說明台灣對外投資的現況美國的關稅新政改變了世界的經貿局勢是將導致全球供應業的再次移轉事實上從川普第一任任期以來台商受到美中貿易關稅的影響其實已經陸續移展生產基地加速自中國撤出回台投資以外呢也將生產基地移到新南向國家美洲還有歐洲那目前我們對中國的投資金額2024年 |
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3453.554 |
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已經降到36.54億美元在我們總投資的7點對外投資的7.52%比那美國呢其實2024年他的投資金額我們對他的投資金額已經增加到141點 |
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3456.035 |
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3479.082 |
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26億美元已經成為台灣最大的投資國至於我們對於新南向還有歐盟國家的投資金額在2018年以後也大幅的擴增那為了面對這個美國關稅新政的挑戰呢行政院除了在4月24號編列了4100億的特別預算然後其中呢我國出口供應的支持方案930 |
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3481.242 |
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3498.118 |
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以外其實賴總統也揭示為了協助國內企業跟僑商掌握全球第二次工業移轉的商機他揭示了立足台灣佈局全球加強美國以及行銷全世界的經濟發展策略 |
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3499.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
3520.837 |
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就立足台灣來說政府將擴大投資台灣三大方案我們擴大的適用對象擴及全球的海外台商外人投資企業同時也聚焦在五大信賴服務業大健康產業同時我們也研議新增銀行的貸款額度提高融資的優惠措施 |
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3521.638 |
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3541.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
在佈局全球方面我們將推動區域的多元佈局那經濟部已經規劃在重要目標市場成立台灣貿易投資中心還有海外專案的服務小組將協助台商快速的落地以擴展多元的市場第三我們就是要加強美國 |
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加強對美國的投資,籌組台灣投資美國隊。未來,台美將繼續在人員、半導體、AI、資通訊、量子、無人機、機器等關鍵領域強化合作,同時也將協助企業評估美國各州的投資環境供應鏈移轉的方案,透過以大帶小的方式協助台灣供應鏈在美國佈局。 |
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3568.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
3590.554 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
第四是行銷全國,我們要將協助台商爭取海外的訂單經濟部等相關部會已經提出了台灣SLAB的共同品牌持續也會透過國際專業展會設置的方式推銷台灣的精品同時與加強對國外通路商的合作 |
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3591.824 |
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3617.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
最後其實在美國新政升高全球貿易破碎化的風險裡面將牽動全球供應鏈重整行政部門將持續關注美國相關政策的演變制定有效的因應策略並結合駐外單位的相關資源來協助橋台商調整供應鏈並穩固台灣在全球供應鏈的關鍵地位以上報告進行指教 |
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3623.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
3644.524 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
我們補充介紹我們羅美玲委員還有陳靜瑜委員那請確認議事錄請問一下在場的委員對於上次的會議議事錄有無疑惑錯誤或需要更正之處沒有好議事錄確定 |
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3648.925 |
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3669.993 |
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现在开始询答本会委员6加2分钟非本会委员5分钟10点30分发言登记决止如有临时提案请以10点30分前提出11点左右处理那请问这个现在请罗美玲委员上台咨询 |
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3680.003 |
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3681.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
謝謝主席 有請經濟部賴次長委員好 |
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3692.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
3703.66 |
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次長好次長根據這個外媒的報導美國政府預計會在美東時間5月7號也就是今天要公佈這個半導體關稅的這個細節那過去川普一直認為說台灣竊取了 |
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3711.489 |
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3740.428 |
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这个美国的这个半导体所以他说对台湾征收百分之百半导体的这个关税呢是合理的那当然外媒也认为说如果确定实施的话呢对整体的这个科技产业的发展会带来毁灭性的这个后果那刚刚我也看到那个国防会有提到就是说美国商务部呢会依据这个贸易扩张法第232条呢分别针对一些产业来做这个 |
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3741.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
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那我昨天本席也看到卓主席卓院長他也有提出就是說這個半導體的談判也會依據貿易擴張法第232條來做談判所以這就是讓我們所擔心的就是美國像川普他一直認為就是說台灣竊取了這個美國的半導體所以變成就是說我們半導體的這個出口關稅這高額關稅是 |
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難以避免對不對他已經提出要課百分之百如果說談判下來的話所以次長您認為呢我們是難以避免這個無法避免這個高關稅半導體的部分首先跟委員報告我國半導體產業它不論是在產業競爭力或是在研發製造包括關鍵的製程的部分它立足於台灣當然未來我們也希望說 |
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美國對等關稅的影響對於相關的這個業者除了半保體業者之外還有EMS的這個業者的影響衝擊影響降到最低所以剛剛在跟委員報告的我們採取了三項的措施不光是行政的支持金融的支持多元的脫銷那至於說你剛剛所詢問的這個部分我們這個美國政府部門他有接受公眾評論的意見那政府也把相關公眾的評論的意見 |
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送交美國商務部那對於過去一段時間以來那我們經濟部跟廠商多次的這個座談的這個意見廠商 個別的廠商也發表了他的意見說他們也會透過他們的公司來提送相關的意見送交美國政府做參考 |
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是因為美國自己商務部其實他也有針對這個半導體的這個徵收這個高額度的這個關稅其實他們也有提出一些徵詢那現在就是說問題就是說他們只收到十份的這個意見書所以在美國商務部的解讀就是說其實沒有很多反對的意見基本上大家好像還蠻支持這個半導體要課這個高額的這個關稅所以這個部分的話 |
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好像跟那國內當然有國內的意見可是美國本身商務部就收到只有十份跟過去像過去的話他們也會針對類似的這個高額關稅的這個提出這個爭取可是相對跟過去比較的話這一次只有十份意見書所以我們怎麼看這個部分呢 |
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第一個這個委員現在所畫面中所提出來的這個資料是媒體的報導那事實上沒有確實嗎美國的政府確實在多方的收集的意見剛剛公委員說明了除了政府 |
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提出政府部門的這個意見提供美國商務部參考之外廠商也會提供他的意見那至於說對於未來的這個美國公布了之後的這個狀況廠商他會去利用說 |
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盡量減少他的成本的方式然後甚至接近客戶端的這個方式第一個盡量減少成本所以我們這一次再提出了這個特別條例行政院通過的草案裡面特別是對於穩定民生減少廠商的生產的成本的這個部分特別予以列入那除此之外的話對於他若是有受到一個衝擊 |
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我們也針對於說大廠的部分坦白講大廠它的因應調適的能力是比較好的我們關切的是它所連動的下游的供應鏈所以對於中小企業還有包括供應鏈的轉型的部分這也是我們特別注意的所以這次我們在研發的轉型的部分特別的加碼 |
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因為時間的關係我們都知道半導體是我國的經濟命脈像美國的關稅政策或最近我們台幣升值超過10%這對我們的出口來講其實造成了很大的壓力所以我想政府應該需要戰戰兢兢針對這所有可能發生的狀況我們都要有一個推出一些比較可以應處的一些政策來降低整個系統性的風險 |
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OK好 那次長請回喔那再來我要邀請的是我們僑委會許委員長 |
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委員長早安 妳的手好了沒謝謝關心真的非常的辛苦 因為我們的業務費被砍的關係所以我知道委員長現在出國跟喬介這邊聯繫其實都自己一個人 只剩一個人 出國沒有辦法帶這個隨行的 |
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這個人員所以前兩天我有發現委員長的手呢腫起來了而且呢還弄了這個護腕所以非常的這個辛苦所以我希望說在野黨能夠理性來看待這部分因為這個跟僑界還有跟這個全世界僑胞的這個交流對台灣來講是非常重要的 |
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那再來還有就是說前天很謝謝我們僑委會邀請我參加了2025年畢業僑生的委員長獎的頒獎典禮這對畢業僑生來講這是一個非常大的肯定 |
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那再來我也發現當天呢有很多獲獎的這個學生呢僑生大部分都是馬來西亞的這個僑生讓我覺得非常的這個光榮那可是呢我們如果回去看這個數據的話馬來西亞的僑生過去一直以來都是台灣很重要的這個僑生的這個聲援的來源可是我們可以發現說最近這幾年來馬來西亞的僑生的人數呢卻一直在下降 |
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那當然我們面臨的是鄰國也許還有中國的這個搶這個僑生的這個原因那再來還有馬來西亞學制的這個改變比如說他們三年制的這個學制呢也讓很多這個僑生也許就留在馬來西亞就學了 |
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那面臨這樣子我們馬來西亞的僑生一直在減少這部分的話我們到底有沒有什麼對策因為像過去馬來西亞的這個招生我們大部分都以這個六十級所的華文獨立中學的畢業生為主要的招生的對象那可是我們知道其實有很多華裔子弟都是在當地一般的中學來就讀那像這個部分的我們有沒有加強去做招生請問委員長 |
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謝謝羅委員關心 那個我們的畢業生頒獎典禮也都邀了我們所有外委會的委員那謝謝您那天特別有出席我們在馬來西亞的部分呢有經過長期七八年的觀察意識到包括馬來西亞的六十所獨中他們在招生上面也都源而不足因為馬來西亞的華裔人口已經從八年前的25%下降為22%所以他們自己的這個 |
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獨立中學也開始招收馬來裔以及印度裔的學生所以馬來西亞等於華裔人口是一直在下降的學生人數當然也是下降加上他當地的這個國際型大學設立越來越多所以因為這樣子的一個變數呢我想這個是客觀局勢的一個轉變並非是我們的這個方案不足以吸引他們 |
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那所以近年來確實在僑生人數的變動上過去都是馬來西亞是第一名那今年到目前為止馬來西亞已經退到第三名了第一名變成是越南第二名是印尼那第三名是馬來西亞但我們還有另外一個驚喜是日本居然衝到第四名了那所以有增有減的過程當中呢事實上馬來西亞是有微幅下降但是下降的趨勢還沒有非常的劇烈聯州的部分好像下降的比較多 |
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連招的部分有微幅下降微幅而已因為我們的產息班這種比較是專案型的絕大多數的學生比較沒有太大的興趣但是我們去年前年都有擴大往東馬沙巴這個區域因為東馬沙巴基本上它還是沒有什麼大學 |
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他或是選擇來台灣或是選擇去馬來西亞西馬來就學所以我們現在是東華東馬的部分我們會加強招生因為這邊的學生人數確實有一定的可以在鼓勵的地方但是東馬的整體人口呢也是不過在300萬到400萬之間在整個馬來西亞的人口並不是非常非常的多數不過這一區塊呢是有相當的學生有興趣 |
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來參加一些專班這樣子像產息班的這些學生的數額所以我們想未來可能會有增加這一部分的聲援會往上走那不只是馬來西亞的學生聲援我們也會持續拓展其他國家當然越南印尼因為他人口紅利很多那我們比較驚喜的是 |
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日本近年來來台灣升學的這個人數快速的在增加從2022年不到千人到2023破千到去年一口氣三千多人所以這樣子的一個持續變化也是我們在國際社會裡面跟我們的經濟發展結構有非常大的一個關聯性所以後來後面我們也會持續的跟勞動部經濟部等相關單位來密切的這個聯繫了解各國的這個僑身的 |
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發展動向那也盡可能把他們留下來那當天我們這些優秀的僑生呢在領獎的時候我都已經跟他們做過問卷了口頭馬上問卷十個裡面呢有八個會留在台灣兩個會回去那留下來的呢兩位會留下來大概繼續念研究所其餘的六位呢就進入就業市場那我想這樣子一個初步初略的這個優秀學生願意做出這麼多留台的這個 |
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承諾 我相信這表示台灣還是有相當的吸引力是 因為我有看到就是說其他國家就如委員長所提的人數有增加 可是馬來西亞喬生呢這是在下降 對 在下降所以我覺得這個部分對我我自己來自於馬來西亞所以我覺得這部分應該還有努力的空間那當然因為時間的關係我想後面還有很多細節找機會再跟委員長這邊來做討論好 以上謝謝謝謝 謝謝羅委員 |
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謝謝羅美玲上台質詢 接下來由我們陳俊宜上台質詢好 謝謝主席 我們先請我們許家青委員長 |
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委員長早委員長早安對於這個對等關稅的因應措施我想來就教我們委員長那因為這個海外的橋台商遍佈全球那橋委會一直以來都是扮演著這個整合的平台的角色來推動我們海外橋台商和國內這個公司部門聯繫的相關工作那針對近期因應這個對等關稅的政策橋委會是否已經搭建 |
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這個資訊傳遞的平台能夠及時來收集我們橋台商的意見並提供給我們行政院及相關部會來做參考那也可以將我們國內相關的政策是不是也同步提供反饋給我們相關的橋界能夠知道目前國內的情形有沒有 |
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有跟委員報告就是在今年的4月2號當美國公布了這個對等關稅的相關這個措施之後呢我們在第一階段4月中旬就已經針對各國的台商會會長先進行了第一次的這個問卷的這個了解請他們先針對說可能受影響的情形來提供一些資訊提示也詢問他們說他們覺得怎麼樣的一個這個 |
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服務跟協助方向是對於他們有利的這部分也請他們分別有提供一些相關的資訊所以這個第一步的這個調查已經進行那接下來我們在五月我們也要進行第二階段的調查就是我們會跟所有的台商會包括五月份馬上歐洲台商總會要開會六月亞洲台商總會要開會 |
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還有這個北美洲台灣商會要開會還有大洋洲剛好這幾個洲際總會通通要開會所以他們會有非常多的會員以及理監事會都會參加這個大會那我們會藉由這個大會的時間呢就來進行各種座談會以及包括問卷調查所以現在這個都已經密齊的在進行中 |
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好 也請我們僑委會要把握機會啦就是剛剛委員長講的這個時間點如果能夠掌握的話也可以相互來把這個資訊傳達是 我們也覺得很重要因為我們海外的僑台商跟國內台商不一樣的地方是說 |
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國內的台商是以國內的資金以在本地製造或者在第三國製造然後來輸出到市場端那我們的這些海外橋台商基本上他們是已經早年就移居他國那他們的資金呢都是他們在第三國的這個資金來進行投資但是由於近年來的全球供應鏈的這個變化他們事實上也有很多人除了他在 |
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僑居國的這個事業以外呢他在第三國也都有新的投資或者貿易採購等等這樣的一個變化所以受到美國對等關稅的影響跟衝擊確實是相當的大所以這部分我們也會進一步來分門別類分別就製造業或服務業或者相關不同的這個產業來瞭解他們關稅衝擊的影響 |
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好那各國對於這個關稅的危機也陸續推出這個因應的措施及紓困的政策那包括我們國家也提出編列特別的這個條例要來強化我們產業的韌性那橋台商 |
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耕耘各地的市場都能適用當地政府的紓困政策但可能礙於語言方面的隔閡或是資訊的不流通無法即時取得正確的資訊我想就叫我們委員長是否能夠和我們經濟部來協助會診即時的更新各國的紓困的相關措施並統一官方的資訊給僑界以減少我們資訊的一個落差的情形 |
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謝謝陳委員的提醒我們確實目前在25個國家有這個51個合作的金融機構那所以他也可以運用國內31個這個OBU的這個叫做國際貸款的這個業務部門來進行貸款所以語言的障礙應當不會有問題那麼重點是我們因應這一次的對等關稅如果我們比較中小型的海外橋台商 |
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因為這樣子的變化需要有資金的融資我們也會規劃特殊的專案讓這些橋台商可以在短期內獲得立即性的協助那如果說需要比較長期性的投資要擴大這個投資的金額的話 |
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因為我們海外信保基金的陸上限在東南亞的南向國家是250萬美金那其餘的地方是200萬美金我們也會跟國內的金融機構來討論如果他們過去的信用貸款的績效良好事實上他們都可以貸更多並沒有這方面的問題所以國內31個OBU的組織金融機構是可以提供他們更多的資金貸款的 |
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就這個信保基金的部分,我們是不是可以比照COVID-19時期啟動對於就有貸款能夠展延的措施,來舒緩企業在資金周轉上的一個壓力? |
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確實我們現在有在因應不過因為現在是90天的寬限期我們也是在等待相關的這個對美談判的進一步結果出來我們比較好針對那個具體的結論來制定這個因應的貸款措施不過 |
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初步的方案我們有在規劃中只是還沒有做定案那目前我想對於橋台商如果要移轉投資基地或者是他要對採購的對象有所轉變確實他的資金的調度是會需求會變得比較高所以這一部分我們會盡可能來提供相關的方便或展言展言的部分避免在這個雨天收傘這個我們也會立即的來協助 |
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那另外是否也可以啟動一個小額貸款的申請小額貸款一直都有,這個沒有問題我們沒有金額上限那這部分再請我們僑委會持續關心好的,謝謝陳委員接下來我再請我們國發會的高副主委及經濟部的賴次長 |
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市長我們副主委早市委好那我先就叫我們這個國發會就這個關稅的還是就這個關稅的問題因為目前我們還在談判當中那因應這次關稅政策所帶來的供應鏈重組的趨勢 |
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那國發會我們之前游主委曾經表示過,有部分的台商有可能會在這個時間點回到台灣來生產那我想請教我們副主委,預期有哪些產業有可能會回流到台灣? |
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我想我們台灣的那個半導體的供應鏈其實是非常的完整所以我們大概是我們會預期說ICT半導體的相關產業還有現在因為我們在推動五大信賴產業那我們政府也有相關的一些支持的措施所以我們認為說五大信賴產業的相關的軍工啊或者是無人機等等產業有可能也會回到台灣來好那 |
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再請教我們經濟部,若要讓關鍵產業回流到台灣,相信我們政府有責任將國內的投資環境來做好。之前我們有提出一個投資台灣的三大方案,現在是不是已經確定可以延續到2027年? |
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謝謝委員 這個部分我們確定是延長但是相關的具體的措施我們會聆聽業者更多的意見之後詳細的規劃再做一個宣布除此之外的話我們為了改善我們的投資環境我們對接的國發會的六大區域發展計畫不管是從水電包括廠商的投資環境的優化的工作我們持續的在進行 以上 |
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我們目前對於關稅的相關政策,是不是有規劃進一步能夠擴大來辦理協助產業回流?有沒有可能? |
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擴大協助產業回流的部分我們對於剛剛所講的三大投資方案的這個部分會予以延長那除此之外的話這個延長的類別剛剛副主委有講包括五代信賴產業包括大健康包括服務業那這些都是我們所關注的一個部分好 謝謝次長跟主委 |
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對於剛剛的這個部分,在政策上如果有更新,我再次也請我們僑委會一定要及時的向我們海外的僑台商來進行宣傳,讓他們也知道說我們國內的相關政策已經在做調整了。可以讓他們也可以因應相關的這個政策的變化之後,他們要如何去推動他們的商業行為這樣子。好,以上謝謝。 |
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我們在現在先做一個宣告那待會在沈培安委員質詢完畢之後我們先休息十分鐘那在接下來我們就請沈培安委員黃安委員來做質詢交委會習委員長 |
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黃昭偉早安好早那個針對橋台商的困境被忽視那委員長剛剛出訪到日本美國本席想請教一下委員長這一次的出訪有沒有橋台商向你反映美國對等關稅的衝擊並向你提出什麼樣的一個協助需求 |
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我這一趟行程大約三個禮拜的時間基本上也就是一個產業之旅沒有錯首先到日本跑了六站我先從九州包括熊本福岡等地那當地我們確實有越來越多的這個 |
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因為台積電的供應廠商上下游的進場投資那還有在地原來的橋台商確實都有反映現在的對等關稅讓他們都暫停做一些這個下單或者出貨的這些作為所以大家也都在等著觀望那由於日本的談判進度也還不知道 |
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進口跟出口關稅要如何所以這部分大家具體的希望是說能夠儘早得到相關確定的資訊是他們的需求後期請委員長都要關注一下會會會之後我到美國去美國提對等關稅的政策後大家主要的討論的都是國內產業的困境那但 |
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但是我國橋台商對台的貢獻多元而且是深遠的最主要的貢獻除了資金和技術外還促進台灣在全球經濟中的地位和影響力但是在這一次對等關稅衝擊大家比較忽略他們的困境那本席分析美國對等關稅政策對橋台商可能產生的衝擊包含第一個 |
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成本增加競爭力下降第二供應鏈面臨了調整已遷移第三市場的策略重新的調整那第四被迫投資高成本的美國市場第五法規遵行以風險的管理請問一下委員長這個喬委會針對以上的衝擊可以給喬台商什麼樣的協助本席比較 |
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橋台商投資的這個百家以上的國家被課稅對等的關係而數我們講一個歐盟對這個歐盟在台商在歐盟的有總共是593家關稅在20%那越南最高台商有487他的關稅是46%那新加坡對平等就是 |
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台商有399家關稅10%日本有370家台商關稅24%馬來西亞台商有284家關稅24%泰國我們的台商270家關稅在36%這個就是排行第二 |
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印度台商171家關稅26%英國141家台商關稅10%印尼140家台商關稅32%菲律賓117家台商關稅17%韓國108家 |
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台商關稅在25%這個比較可以看出在新南向國家的橋台商壓力都非常大尤其最近近年來推動新南向政策去年台商在 |
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其南向國家投資增幅高達57.42%其中越南的台商多但課稅又重因為它已經達到了46%是面臨的挑戰最嚴峻 |
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所以本市建議委員長應該要針對越南等新南向國家的橋台商制定政策委員長常常出訪也應該安排拜會這些橋台商了解他們的需求你說 |
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謝謝委員的垂詢我們對於這一次的對等關稅呢事實上是幾家歡樂幾家愁有時候是危機也是轉機比方說我們在菲律賓相對來講我們的菲律賓台商說因為全球對等關稅大家都很高那相比較之下菲律賓就算很低所以就會使得他們現在反而獲得比較多下單跟獲得投資的機會 |
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所以菲律賓的台商可能在這一波裡面他們就相對有利那相對於剛剛您所提到的越南確實它是在這個過程當中是有很高的一個關稅那不過根據我們的了解就是最近這一個禮拜當中美國有第一波的15個國家談判的裡面前4個包含有日本 |
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韓國、台灣及越南那這四個國家本身就是上校有供應鏈的這種產業結構的合作型態所以美國方面的商業部選擇了這個四個國家作為第一輪的前第一輪的頭四個國家我想他有一個用意是希望先談出一個比較具體的型態那麼後面的國家就可以跟著我們這些型態來走 |
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根據昨天好像美國總統川普也有特別接受媒體詢問的時候提到說這個禮拜到週末可能就會有具體的一個結果會出現所以我們就看我們這四個國家包括日本、韓國、越南以及台灣我們這四個國家談判的一個初步的結果結論出來那看看我們這樣的結論呢怎麼樣來因應在其他的國家我們會配合的 |
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我們必須對這個西南向越南的這些台商有487家好不好好的都關注因為他是這個關稅最高是我想他們現在面臨的困境在這個地方是的是的請回好謝謝我們請經濟部的次長好 |
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川普對宜蘭石化產品祭出了二級的制裁那次長川普日前發出聲明將對任何購買宜蘭石油或石化產品的國家或個人實施二級的制裁這個政策對台灣會產生什麼樣的影響 |
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目前為止我們現在關心因為關稅的政策對全球的經濟發展的需求有在觀望甚至有比較降低而現在全球的石化包括石油市場整體的價格從上週來看的話是下降的 |
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以經濟部而言我們是密切的關注我們包括石油還有包括我們能源進口的這個價格的這個變動我們希望在這一波的衝擊裡面特別是要穩定我們的民生減少廠商的生產成本這個是為我們所要的工作現在川普不管今天我們對伊朗有任何的投資裡面他就是要做二等的二級的制裁 |
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所以我們去了解我國目前在伊朗還有大約在1400萬美元的進口貿易額雖然不多但本席注意到川普的用語是從伊朗購買任何數量的石油或石化產品代表如果1400萬美元的進口 |
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貿易必須完全歸零才會免受制裁如果採購合約是場約我國勢必要承擔違約的成本 |
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謝謝委員的指導我們對於石油或是天然氣長短約的這個配比我現在要問的就是現在要歸零所以免受制裁但是現在如果我國這個採購的合約是長約我國勢必要承擔違約的成本是不是 |
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跟委員說明第一個你剛剛講的這個假設性的這個問題我們密切的關注但是我們對於長短約的部分我們有一個穩定的配比第三個部分是基於 |
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這個貿易的信賴的程度我們對於各個簽約的國家或是簽約的廠商我們必須要服從我們這個所謂的商業的基本的原則這個信用度在對於我們穩定的採購是非常重要的一個事項 |
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那另外是主席再給我幾分鐘那有關於次長這個部長日前嗆台電的員工看不下去可以離開你認同這樣的一個說法嗎 |
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5634.817 |
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首先跟委員說明我們部長對於我們國營事業包含台電在內所有員工的福利包括薪水是非常重視的所以他上任了之後就要求對於員工的部分不管是待遇 職籍的部分來去加碼甚至讓員工有比較好的這個福利的環境那至於說剛剛這個 |
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實在上面有提到的這個缺考率或是可能有跳槽的情況其實在各行各業裡面我們看到因為台灣在這幾年因為政府的所謂的穩定經濟的措施各行各業都有蓬勃的發展今天我講的本席想為台電的員工說一句話公道話台電過去一直是所謂有國營事業中的典範 |
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那從孫益賢擔任總經理台電一直是最務實的單位幾乎可以說是台灣經濟發展的命脈台電人也一直在台電服務為榮 |
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自從民進黨政府以意識形態操控能源政策後台電虧損嚴重加上民進黨積極推動的綠電弊案重申台電卻被迫配合使得台電的光榮感正在消失所以本席想要說的這個 |
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有真憑實際的這個事情台電過去一直是國營事業招考的熱門顯像從108年起報考人數不斷減少從108年的2.6萬人減少到114年的1.1萬人 |
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今年考生缺考率更高達一半還有不少原子台電員工跳槽到中華電信所以可見 |
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你們在台對台電不但是沒有好好的鼓勵他們來給他們一個支持反而郭部長對員工來嗆說看不下去就可以離開這樣的一個對話我想對整個台電的員工來講真的是一個不公平啊 |
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委員是否容我針對你的質詢做以下的這個回答首先台電將近兩萬六千名的員工始終以來就是秉持了剛剛委員所講的孫玉璇的精神 |
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在為全國穩定供電甚至是包括近幾年為了能源轉型而努力以火力電廠為例對於污染物的排放台電這幾年的表現非常好從過去遠遠超過4萬噸現在是已經降到3萬噸第二個數據停電的次數從1106年的15000次現在降到7000多次這是第一點 |
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第二點我剛剛針對你郭部長講的得不得體看不下去可以離開現在我不要講你別的事情現在針對這個問題就好了你還回答我部長一直支持所有的台電的員工看不下去可以離開的問題你認同這樣的一句話嗎對台電的員工來講有沒有公平我現在要你回答這個不是要你回答別的 |
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首先跟委員說明台電的員工在公司內部無論是對於促進公司的治理他有很好的工會的資質麻煩次長轉達一下郭部長 |
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任何一件事要面對不管是委員要執行的麻煩你要一一的來對答對員工來講要好好的來照顧我們對員工一直是非常好的照顧謝謝委員的指導 謝謝接下來請沈培安委員上台質詢 |
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謝謝主席有請這個經濟部次長謝謝 |
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委員好市長好我知道今天題目雖然是對喬委會但是我想說其實有蠻多的事情可能經濟部更了解我等一下最後才問喬委會這樣子那一開始就是說這一次有新聞報導說這一個美工官員說川普對中國的關稅有四個最終的目標那包含這一個 |
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終止這個竊取智慧財產權打擊非法傾銷這個惡止匯率的操縱跟減少貿易的赤製那裡面當然對我們最重要的應該是第一個就是竊取智慧財產權因為台灣過往也有被指控過有這樣的一些問題 |
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去年的時候也有問過經濟部相關的一些疑問那目前來講呢就是我們之前有在整理就是說這是在日本的狀況那他們有整理各式各樣這種技術流出的型態包含這個海外的輸出啊投資啊有一些合法的方式又或者說透過人才的挖角商業的間諜那這邊所以我想要問經濟部幾件事情就是第一個就是 |
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就是我們的國家安全法第三條裡面有規定這個國家核心關鍵技術之營業秘密就是說這一個部分是在保護的範圍那這一次這個我看到邱志偉委員跟黃婕委員有想要把營業秘密拿掉那他的理由是因為說如果今天企業主他自己沒有把它規範在營業秘密裡面但我們又認為它是國家核心關鍵技術 |
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那這樣的話呢就沒有辦法被涵蓋到因為畢竟國家核心關鍵技術知營業秘密營業秘密扣在那邊嘛不過法務部就有不同的看法法務部認為說如果你把營業秘密拿掉的話國家核心關鍵技術又會太多所以現在我想知道說以經濟部的立場因為畢竟法務部是就法論法他會知道這個法律的範圍啊什麼等等的大小但以經濟部的看法 |
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跟法務部之後如果要對接要討論這一個法案的時候這個到底營業秘密這四個字到底要留還是不留如果不留或者留的話留的話當然就是跟現行法一樣嘛那如果不留又怕太大有沒有任何的方式可以把國家核心關鍵技術把它怎麼講把它擴張解釋也就是說呢讓它不要被現在的法條受限有沒有這樣的一個想法 |
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首先我們針對於國家的關鍵技術這個是部分其實我們國家有國科會在做定義對於你剛剛講的包括先進製程我們就以半導體為例的話其實它整個一個製程或是它一個發展相關多的智慧財產必須 |
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要去獲得保障他才有辦法持續的進行領先所以經濟部的立場針對於國家核心的關鍵技術確實是要保障針對於智慧營業秘密的這個部分我們目前為止我們經過內部的討論我們是認為說保留原來的這個條文是比較恰當因為有一些它是衍生性的東西 |
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所以你若是把它完全的刪除的話其實對於廠商的競爭力來講是會有些影響的對 但就是說我們現在害怕的事情就是說以執法來講有營業秘密扣在那邊其實它本來就有精準的定義所以我們到底哪些叫做國家核心關係或是營業秘密這個是很方便的一個做法但如果今天它自己不把它定義成營業秘密的時候那我們要該怎麼辦 |
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這個我們必須要在做執法上面跟相關的這個部會去把它所謂的定義的部分更加清楚這個可以落實的話不但是保障我們國家的產業對於個別的這個廠商也是一個保障 |
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對 剛剛市長這樣的一個講法意思就是說因為我們都把廠商想的就是廠商自己當然是想要保障自己的秘密嘛所以他有營業秘密的規範但因為在滲透日益嚴重的狀況之下又包含現在可能會有這個技術有可能會被竊取又可能會有被滲透在這個狀況之下我們怕的是他廠商自己不把它變成營業秘密那他如果把它變成不是營業秘密的時候那我們在這樣的一個法條的規範上我們該如何 |
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廠商會自證或是對於他自己的利益有威脅的這個部分把他取消這個部分當然不排除他可能會有這個原因廠商不是為了自己他在為了別人的時候 |
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所以這個時候到底該如何我想說這也是為什麼當時修法會被提出來這樣的一個用意但我也覺得就是說畢竟畢竟1A秘密這個在執法上面是比較方便的一個狀態在各國其實也很多時候都有這樣的規定但是因為台灣現在的狀況比較特殊所以我們在想說就是如果說就算到最後真的要把它刪除的話勢必還是要把國家核心關鍵技術做線索的解釋不然它會很廣 |
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當然所以這件事情我覺得是值得討論我也沒有一定的答案那就可能因為這一個上次有已經被我們有先排過一次有討論過了不是在國防外交那我再相信在接下來幾個月尤其在關稅談判的過程當中這可能還是會被討論那我想說經濟部可能做這個準備跟法務部等等之類的可能再做好這個密切的討論這樣到最後我們再下結論的時候可能在立法院這邊比較有充足的資訊 |
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是謝謝委員的指導我們無論是執行現有的法規或是未來的修法我們會跟相當單位做好配合針對於國家的利益還有包括廠商他自己的競爭力的部分做好相關的這個防備的這個措施對因為畢竟廠商自己的利益跟國家的利益有時候不一定會align所以這是我們擔心的地方 |
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那再來就是洗產地這件事情,就是說因為我看到,就是我先講越南跟泰國啦那越南跟泰國他們最近有做這一個說要加強這一個要檢查然後避免要發放偽造的產地的證明書啦那泰國也有做一些措施那我看到這個5月7號,5月7號是不是就是明天 |
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第一 防範洗產地 |
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我們過去以來包括跟財政部都有很好的配合措施包括加強宣導建立所謂的潛在關鍵的名單然後去監視進出口的這個部分甚至是研發但是若是這個部分做得不確實 |
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也可能會影響我們個別的廠商它的產業的發展除此之外對於我們國家的利益也會有影響所以經濟部才會宣布從今天開始我們要自己要做得更好 |
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台灣一直是世界各國在所謂的貿易活動裡面是一個我們遵守法尊的這個優等聖我們希望我們自己做更好也不希望說有任何的這個可能性來危害我們國家 |
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包括產業的部分對 這個我覺得這一次算是反應非常的快因為畢竟我們現在就是要進入到這一個關稅的談判然後我覺得有這樣的事情我覺得在談判的過程當中是非常的有力那這邊因為我有看到說這個違者罪高跟署新台幣300萬的這一個甚至還可以吊銷 |
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還可以吊銷啦那再來就是說它有可能也會有燈載不實的問題嘛使公園燈載不實是好所以我覺得這是一個很好的措施啦因為畢竟如果說我們在還沒有修法之前在行政端能夠先做出這樣的措施我認為是很有幫助的 |
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他又是有違反刑法的話我們還會移送好 我覺得這是一個這是一個非常好的示範所以我是希望說各部會以後都可以像有如此快的一個反應那我們剛剛講的都是比較偏防堵面就是說我們怕說這一個席產地怕說技術被竊取但今天的題目其實更大一部分是在於說要怎麼去協助這些就是他們畢竟現在有一些台商他們現在也在抱怨因為這個美國的這些措施所以這些協助的部分我相信僑委會是現在首當其衝 |
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那我因為只剩一點時間我想問一下那現在溝通的機制就是說經濟部這邊是怎麼去協助僑委會去幫助這些在海外的這些台商 |
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首先我們在各個比如說以東南亞國家為例我剛剛在書面報告裡面有講我們有貿易服務中心那除此之外我們駐外的單位我們的經濟組會跟這個僑委會密切的對接而我們會積極的參與我們僑委會所辦理的各項的台商包括是說明會 聚會去把這些的訊息披露出來 |
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因為我覺得這件事情很重要是因為像在談判的一個過程當中美國譬如說他們對於自己在譬如說他們的國家裡面他有關的商人他們現在在做什麼樣的措施他們現在在他這些情報其實也都在他們收集的範圍所以如果說我們今天這個溝通越順暢的話巧合會的幫助是越多的話其實對他們來講他們會知道說原來你們現在不只在談判的過程當中你們已經祭出什麼樣的措施你們在地方上其實都已經在協助自己的商人做 |
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這個相關的這些應對的措施這個對他們來講會是重要的資訊經濟部非常感謝喬和會對我們台灣的經濟包括各個財商的這個協助讓我們各住在國所有的台商的經濟的發展都有保持充分的動力好那就希望繼續維持那剛剛修法的部分就可能再麻煩次長把它帶回去我們再我覺得認為這幾個月應該會是被密集討論的一個議題 |
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好 謝謝委員指導好 謝謝 那今天就來不及問喬委會了謝謝 謝謝主席謝謝沈委員這個上台資訊那現在休息十分鐘那十分鐘後我們後續繼續的來詢問 |
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現在開始開會 我們接下來由我們的林楚瑩委員上台質詢謝謝主席 主席邀請我們的徐委員長 |
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稍後如果跟經濟不相關的話,那麼也請賴長次,謝謝委員長,我特別看了一下報告,特別提到的是有關於Made by Taiwan我覺得這個想法很好,那麼也很開心在這個報告當中有看到事實上是從2021年我們就開始做了 |
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那麼我們知道對於這個對等關稅那麼現在目前本席特別整理了一下我們幾個新南向的台商他們事實上在越南、泰國、印尼、印度、菲律賓跟新加坡都各自建立了所謂的產業聚落因為這是我們多年推動新南向非常重要的成果可是也同樣的看到了我現在旁邊寫的這個數字46%、37%、32%、27%這個不是產業聚落的%數 |
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就是對等關稅是的沒錯那麼我們看到尤其是像在越南我們有這個消費性電子跟紡織的重要聚落但是它被課以46%的對等關稅其實這個一出來之後許多人都關心我們新南向的台商的狀況那麼 |
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我們現在同時提出了Made by Taiwan是不是可以有助於幫助他們可以在面對未來在這些他們住在國的國家的這個所謂被課等對等關稅那麼有沒有辦法透過相關的僑委會的協助或是經濟部現在對美的談判能夠把Made by Taiwan而不是Made in Taiwan能夠結合在一起 |
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那麼在這個部分喬委會有沒有進一步的想法跟委員報告我們事實上從2021年開始做這個海外台商精品獎主要目的就是說有鑒於我們台商從90年代開始的對外投資還有企業的跨國移出越來越頻繁規模也越來越大因此我們認為說如何讓我們的台商不要只有單純做代工 |
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這樣的一個角色算毛三道四的這種博麗所以呢是希望透過這個模式來鼓勵台商可以建立自由品牌那當然這一次因應美國的對等關稅確實是全球都有受到影響但每一個國家受的影響程度會不一樣以這個菲律賓來說他是相對輕的他只有17到18%那所以他就會覺得說大家都被課對等關稅很重的時候那反而是他的機會 |
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所以他可以得到的訂單就增加他會得到的投資也會增加所以我們的台商在彼此串聯之間我們會去想辦法協助他們讓他們知道說等到所有的談判就定位以後各自國家的差異性在哪裡他們如何選擇對他們相對有利的聯合廠商去進行相關的生產總之只要不是在台灣建廠的製造 |
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我們都把它稱為就Made by Taiwan就是台灣精品對就台灣精品但概念上來說呢在研發或設計上面基本上還是鼓勵他們設在台灣有一個辦公室能夠在台灣接單那製造在海外最好也能夠直接到市場端去設廠製造所以當然也包括在美國所以確實最近也有不少我們北美洲的台商跟 |
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亞洲的台商最近都是非常密集的在交流也在談這些可能的跨界跨州投資的狀況所以說我也要詢問一下我們經濟部的賴長士長士我覺得這個透過喬委會今天的報告所看到的這個 |
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May by Taiwan也許是一些我們過去在推動新南向的時候這些已經在新南向國家設廠的街廠商可以找到另外一條出路啦因為說實話要把廠移走或者是說要寄予說他們住在國的這個談判其實也不知道是什麼樣一個狀況雖然台灣有很好消息傳來是說我們在首波第一輪我們就完成了談判 |
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那麼May by Taiwan在這個部分就經濟部來講有沒有可能在這個部分可以幫我們的在新南向國家在設廠的這些台商們找到一個新的契機至少他們不用被虧像越南啊或者是泰國印尼這樣被課這麼高的這樣一個關稅那麼如果就剛剛徐委員長所說的還是希望他們要有一個辦公室設在台灣 |
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那麼在這樣的狀況底下他就可以成為台灣精品而不是只是所謂的台灣的代工那麼目前這樣的想法有沒有可行那也有機會幫我們只是單獨設廠的台商做解套是的我們一直用這個方向以例如台灣行銷全世界比如說剛剛委員長所講的菲律賓委令那菲律賓剛剛也有提到因為他在這個關稅裡面稍微衝擊比較小是 |
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7424.06 |
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我們經濟部會在九月也會辦台灣的所謂的精品的展在菲律賓這個地方希望藉由如此來促進我們在地的台商甚至是我們現在在台灣的產業去發展這是第一第二個部分事實上我們在這一次的特別條例裡面特別有提到屬於經濟部的面向有一個是多元拓銷 |
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那多元拓銷的這個方式的話我們希望說引領我們台灣的廠商可以行銷全世界那這個一直以來是我們努力的方向好 這個所謂在經濟部所辦的這個台灣精品啦跟這個僑委會所現在推動的Made by Taiwan我想都是很好的一個角度跟方向但是我又怕兩者之間變成有競爭關係但不論如何本席也特別去做了一些整理 |
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從2021年辦第一屆到去年2024年辦第三屆我們發現這個報名的件數跟廠商好像沒有往上升但是我自己認為啦這個也有一個可能啦因為原本我們可能在這個新南向國家所設立 |
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非代工而是自有自創品牌的就這麼多但是現在也許是一個契機我想問一下許委員長或經濟部既然如此的話要不要趁這個機會其實要好好的宣傳跟行銷一下因為我們現在做台灣的自由品牌反而會比代工來划算尤其是像在越南或者是泰國這種相對的在美國的對等關稅比較高的這個國家 |
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7524.539 |
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確實林委員所鼓勵的方向是一個可以思考的點那我們當然也是在等這個對美的談判有一個比較清楚的結論出來的時候那因應著這一個相關的結論我們再來規劃後續輔導這些 |
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在南向國家原來在做代工的這些製造業看他們可以怎麼樣配合台灣的這個談判的結果呢來促進他們這個自由品牌的建構然後走比較高端的市場甚至是分散市場的概念除了美國市場包括歐洲歐盟市場或者是在亞洲市場的拓展至少在中東市場也是一個非常大的區塊東協市場也有相當的人口數量那這些都是我們積極要想 |
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把made by Taiwan當作是一個可以附加價值提高這樣的一個核心概念那所有的台商就均等都會受惠所以在解決這個對等關稅的談判之後我想我們會配合這個核心概念來持續的輔導我們在不同國家的相關企業的投資案 |
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我也要請長賜回應一下因為我自己認為這個概念很好但是不要說僑委會做僑委會的經濟部做經濟部的教會很可惜不會我們一直都有密切的聯繫包括跟國發會跟經濟部我們都是台灣團隊最後跟主席借一分鐘就好本席也有關心到當然現在就是我們新南向拚經濟這個子女的教育也要兼顧當然本席知道這個有關於台校跟橋校不一樣那麼橋校才是 |
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歸僑委會來管喔但是我在今年的4月23號的時候也幫我們東南亞四所台灣學校來爭取有關的補助那主要的原因當然還是因為中國的台灣學校這個每一位學生補助是三萬五那東南亞其實只有一萬 |
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但是我當然知道面對這個才化法修正115年之後中央包括各個部會都有30%要直接撥到地方去但是它直接影響到的會是跟國際有關跟地方無關尤其是在全球的這些學校不論其實不論是橋校或台商學校都會受到影響那麼我想要請徐委員長當面臨這樣的衝擊的時候有沒有思考一下就是 |
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我其實雖然說在這個跟教育部的協調教育部是說如果預算足夠之下教育部會考慮把我們東南亞四個台灣學校的學生的補助從一萬提升到一萬五多個五千塊但是這個言下之意也形塑出來的是那麼其他的橋校也可能受到預算的波及可能因為才化法的關係那麼會不會影響到這個我們橋委會補助這些不論是橋校或者是其他學校的預算 |
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跟委員報告我們今年度因為這個總預算審查的時候針對業務費總體刪除了10%那當然這個10%當中也包括了這個橋校的部分所以確實我們在某些橋校的補助上面今年度都會多少會降低一些那針對台校的部分呢台校因為在東南亞有4所 |
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規模量體都不是很大而且非常熱門所以排在waiting list的學生很多所以無論有無補助我們的台商還有我們的台橋還是會想辦法要先把孩子送去那邊讀書因為他們孩子將來都想要回到台灣繼續升學 |
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不過我們當然是樂見於說在預算足夠的狀況下可以給他們多一些的資源跟補助而且我們對這些學校過去成立的時候是教育部出50% 僑委會出50%合資讓他們成立的學校一般的僑校事實上他們都是自給自足我們只是補助他們比方說給他們教材 給他們師資的培訓 |
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還有一些這個自聘教師的終點補助等等那這一部分我們確實有受影響所以也不會員跟委員報告我預算不夠所以我這一年都要去找很多廠商募款好 那麼其實說到補助可能不是學費或者是學生個人但是本席也找到確實在113年我們在胡志明市的台灣學校或是四水或是雅加達都有活動的補助但是我發現這個活動補助其實真的很少 |
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250塊美元的話換算大概都是10萬不到那我也覺得因為這些都是像漢字文化啦或者是這個華語文的文化我覺得它其實這個是橋校或是台校最重要的這個部分如果未來預算許可的話我認為至少活動的補助上面還是可以再多一點跟委員說明我們大概 |
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所有僑界的活動大部分經費不可能全額給他補助大概都只補助大概30到50%就最高了所以僑界也都長期了解說在政府預算有限狀況下他們也會在地去籌募資金來辦有意義的活動那近年來當然我們在 |
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7830.27 |
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這個增多周少的狀況之下我們會還有就是匯率的波動我們確實都會受到一些預算不足的影響所以也期待大院能夠多多的支持本會的預算因為我們會我們的基期真的很低所以再怎麼樣我們的預算規模到目前也才接近20億而已那海外這麼多的橋校其實我們如果能夠好好的培養補助他們我相信他們的以後這些都是我們的人才 |
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好 我們就下會期預算會期的時候我們115年來好好努力一下好的 謝謝林委員 謝謝謝謝林楚瑩委員的資訊接下來由陳冠廷委員上台資訊您好 我們請委員長 |
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7920.017 |
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陳委員早安委員長早委員長今天我剛剛看到就是應該是說有一些橋橋霧相關的同仁有反應說芝加哥台灣同學會同鄉會還有這個其他的一些相關包含同學會還有同窗會等等都有類似的問題就是說他們參加活動的時候可能會面臨到說自行攜帶 |
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他們認為對台灣有幫助的旗幟但是這些旗幟在照片分享的時候可能會有一些事後的審查 |
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那我今天沒有特別講是同鄉會同窗會還是這個同學會的原因是因為我不想因為針對個案那我是希望說更廣泛的來去請教委員長就是說現在我們有沒有所謂的審查機制就是說在一些巧合會的活動的時候那有一些跟政治比較相關的活動我們會不會有事先審查讓他願不讓他可不可以來去PO上網之類的 |
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不會的委員你知道台灣民主化三十多年來我們非常重視民主自由跟人權所以言論自由跟採訪自由跟所有相關的人身相關自由我們都非常的重視那對於新聞志工新聞志工雖然也是志工但是我們也是有一些基本的訓練的原則所以並不會進行所謂的言論審查 |
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或者是對於他人僑團的各種旗幟進行這個修正那這裡面我所了解是當時他們是他們其實彼此都是好朋友他其實只是這是一個小誤會他只是想試試他的修圖能力然後就傳給兩個朋友看結果這兩個朋友呢就以為他這個是要登出來的東西因此就 |
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8035.414 |
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造成了一些誤會但事實上並沒有公開這個照片從頭到尾沒有公開而且昨天已經上稿的東西呢還是照原來的東西登出來完全沒有東西被修改過所以在經過民主化那麼久之後因為我為什麼講同學會同窗會跟同鄉會因為我自己的親人過去也是在在我媽媽那一邊的親人大概是在他研究所博士之後就出國然後就沒有回來因為他是比較支持台灣主體意識 |
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支持台灣奴隸等等台派社團包括他參加一些北美教授協會等等當然那個時代跟現在這個時代那個時代是比較威權統治的時代有很多一些旗幟什麼基本上都不能夠允許來在我們政府官方的網站上面出現我想請教既然委員長有提到這個FAPA的部分 |
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未來假設包含FAPA會員他自行攜帶象徵台灣主體意識的這些旗幟我們會不會審查不會這個其實都是大家的自主的意志嘛跟他的言論自由更何況這些都是發生在第三國在台灣已經受到言論保障那我相信在海外更是應該有這個尤其在民主國家 |
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所以我特別也是藉這個機會跟我們這個陳情的好朋友說不用擔心僑委會還有我們不管是在第三地或者是在本國的土地上面他們的言論自由是百分之百受到保障的是的不會有 |
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未來也不會有什麼這種圖改的 因為這事是完全就是就是misunderstanding嘛 就誤會沒有說我們會審查不讓你上去 不是這個意思的 是 剛才委員長也是這個意思不過這個個人之間的這個小誤會呢 也是提醒我們讓我們更加注意說每一年這個全球分布六大洲的新聞志工要如何的讓他們更精進那採訪的內容能夠忠實於這個被採訪的對象 |
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也就是說我們僑務工作是不會排斥政治立場我們不會帶著任何政治的眼光看待這些事情但是如果說有傷害國家利益的比方說去鼓吹說是台灣是中國的一部分這個我們當然是有一定的堅持這個是不可以當然這個既定的國家立場這個國家利益這個還是既定的立場 |
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還是要有一定的但是基本上除此之外在言論自由的保障之下只要不傷害國家利益我們不會事先審查言論自由是大家要互相尊重而且這也有相關的規範但是言論自由不包含對他人的惡性攻擊或者是人身攻擊等等所以這些我想我們還是有法律的依據在規範所以我們還是強調就是教育會 |
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他的公告原則沒有這個自我審查沒有過度干預那他也不是沒有說什麼不涉及政治因為其實每一個東西這憲法保障人民的自由包含我們對政治的表述這個是很基本的所以這個部分我們也要藉此機會跟所有這個在美國的這些好朋友們來講說這是言論自由我們沒有事先審查我們也會提醒我們所有的志工不過還是另外一部分就是 |
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歷史的這個看法我們的台橋其實不僅是台橋因為現在台橋台派中華民國派等等他們都是為了台灣的整體利益當然會有不同的看法只是說我們是希望說未來包含委員長能夠 |
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多一些座談多一些機會整合我們不同意見在國外的時候意見不同當然就是比方說我們有支持台灣獨立媒體跟陳委員報告其實這個對我來說我來僑委會服務已經五年多了我是非常這個能夠 |
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面對這種同一個場裡面大家有不同的立場有不同的看法但是我們只是一個平台這個平台是提供大家互動跟討論的一個空間那在這個過程當中我們確保每一個人他都有表達的自由也不會因此呢受到貼標籤化的這個做 |
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那我們當然是用對話取代敵視那同時我為什麼今天要特別在講這個的原因就是因為過去這個台派在美國也好他有他的歷史的傷痕在的因為過去有長時間我們轉型正義還沒有說完整喔長時間在美國的時候都會擔心說這個人一直在跟我是不是這個職業學生確實以前很多台派社團被列為黑名單職業學生會不會說要回報回去等等 |
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他們會有這樣子的看法我們會有這樣子看我們會有這樣的擔心也是因為這是歷史的累積起來的這也是轉型正義的一部分所以我們今天為什麼在這邊告訴大家說我們不會事先審查過去不會未來也不會的原因就是說因為有這些歷史的傷痕在那歷史的傷痕是需要時間去把它療癒的嘛這也是轉型正義很重要的一部分不然為什麼我們現在講的是這個交通委員會 |
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有台橋台橋還有華僑這個華僑是中華民國的華僑不是中華人民共和國的華僑這個我們要分清楚也就是說我們正在把包括性的不斷的擴大就是說我們為什麼包含總統他會提到這些台灣中華民國的這些歷史為什麼會有不同族群的人在各個不同的時代一個一個進來從這個日本時代過後然後這個中華民國的時代到 |
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我們台灣到現在一步一步的這樣子往前進的時候我們不可以就是辣掉說不同的族群因為這個族群是不斷的在擴大的我們是更加的包容性的所以說這個時間點我們特別要強調說台灣的多元的標誌還有台灣的言論自由 |
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Differentiate我們跟中華人民跟俄國不同的地方是的所以我們是中華民國的僑務委員會也是在把我們之間的分得很清楚不是在台灣內部而是把中華民國台灣我們包裹成一個共同利益共同主體的這一個部分所以這一次一些僑務委員那有特別提到說有一些僑領突囂台獨起沒有這回事沒有就是這個是誤會純粹是誤會對以後未來 |
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一樣 就是說能夠把那個言論自由經營期拿出去也沒關係是好 謝謝謝謝委員謝謝我們陳冠廷委員的質詢接下來由王定宇委員上台質詢好 主席麻煩委員長 |
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王委員你好委員長我在開始今天題目之前我還是要提醒我剛有聽陳冠廷委員提芝加克這個事情是我只提醒一個原則就是很多台僑以前是不喜歡跟僑委會站在一起是都不跟官方接觸的不是官方特別僑委會就不想跟僑委會站在一起對所以這一次發生有所謂的僑委會的志工 |
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這個剛剛我解釋過那是誤會不管是誰去Photoshop那個圖其實在美國在台灣這種事情都已經很罕見了不應該去做所謂言論審查那這個如果是誤會解釋清楚那我覺得一個在美國發生的波瀾跟我們之間的友好的一個活動 |
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8470.058 |
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不要因為這些事情去抹殺了很多人的用心我今天要請教我們委員長第一個題目是有關對等關稅的部分當然這不是你主責的啦經濟部跟我們現在談判辦以及鄭麗君副委員長現在正在美國華府那我也剛從那邊回來我現在是就我們僑委會相關的部分僑委會沒包雙包害啦關稅也不是你在管的 |
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但是因為我看你們的報告書裡面有說有看到來這個影像不見了可能後面那個 |
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8480.814 |
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好 這個 喬委會本身的報告就說你們有向這個台商進行相關的瞭解嘛你們目前瞭解的情況怎麼樣 特別因為這一次對等關稅 東南亞是一大塊中國的台商不歸你們管就是在東南亞的台商 你們目前聽到的訊息是什麼 |
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8501.893 |
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我們其實在4月2號之後呢一個禮拜後我們就針對各國的台商會長先發一個前期的結論是什麼因為時間有限結論因為各國狀況很不一樣 |
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8544.005 |
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那所以大家都現在對於這種不確定性的狀況後來因為宣布了90天或這個暫停可是大家對於這個目前的狀況覺得很不確定的情況下都會暫停下單或者暫停出貨避免風波4月2號的liberation day那一天是很多人暫停下單到4月9號宣布有70個國家左右90 days post |
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8545.123 |
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那天開始其實即單喔是即單不是暫停喔就是說趕快趕快把我Christmas要的你90天內搶到船位送過來因為那個90天內是所以4月份這個確實container是很對 |
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所以你該講說現在是單子沒有單或冷凍不太一樣啦現在應該是搶90天內的單而台灣是前面四個國家優先在談判的一旦確定從90 days pause移到 |
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有永久性的暫停的話當然對台灣是利多的消息我還是回到我們交友會的業務跟委員報告其實是有業別的差異剛剛講的這個Christmas比較是這個我只是舉例啦我現在意思說你們對東南亞我們的東南亞因為他的型態上我們會分業別的差異性就是說他是鞋子的或者是成衣的你們這個調查報告有沒有出來 |
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這個是第一階段只是先問會長接下來五月六月我們兩個月份會針對各州開始普發問卷跟這個東西訊息萬變是的是的你如果先問出來的東西沒有馬上變報告下個禮拜變垃圾沒用了因為搞不好川普又宣布一個新的或者是間接性的關係比方說要稀產地那中國跟這個東南亞國家之間產生什麼樣關稅的關係馬來西亞就宣布啦 |
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所以內地宣布對供應鏈它的component是從中國過來到馬來西亞組裝最終市場是在美國的跟直接在馬來西亞生產的又不一樣所以我說你們調查報告我只看到一句話說有去了解但是這些報告如果沒辦法快速地彙整我給你一個具體建議跟經濟部合作 |
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因為這訊息變得很快啦那現在我們在東南亞投資其實已經超越這個中國成為是比中國還要大的投資市場那美國是第一大然後第二大是對東南亞中國以前佔比最大我們對外投資以前中國大概佔市場歐盟也增加非常多現在我們對中國的投資只剩下個位數7%多第一大投資對目標國是美國第二大是東南亞再來就是歐盟 |
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如果了解這個狀況的話在東南亞第一大的當中的國家就是越南佔比相當高那他的關稅打擊其實也重越南也直接喊出來對美要0%現在他跟台灣是第一輪四個國家談判所以你們對於類似在東南亞的業界關稅你也不能介入他國內政他們國家的事情我們可以對他們提供什麼樣的協助 |
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一方面我們會了解就是廠商業別然後再來就是說它是除了越南廠以外是不是還有其他廠因為根據我們了解他們很多從中國移出以後不是只有投資在越南廠你這個還是在研究階段我意思是你手上有什麼政策工具你手上有什麼樣的政治工具可以去幫助我們海外僑客商 |
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8722.176 |
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8746.754 |
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第一個就是我們這個信保基金如果他們在短期內他們需要融資短期資金需求的融資那第二個就是說幫他們就是做彙整一些相關的資訊提供他們一些資訊的協助那現在有關我們對於橋外商的協助有涵蓋在現在行政院提出的特別條例跟特別預算跟委員報告事實上這個講的都是針對國內的廠商對內嘛 |
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是對內而已所以那800多億甚至現在擴大到4100億都沒有含過我們的4100億裡面有包含國家韌性國防所以說卓院長所提出的所謂的因應這個Receptacle Tariff目前這個沒有包含是國內的嘛條外商用不到嘛對 |
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所以你現在手上我盤點了一下你手上唯一的政策工具大概就是信保基金對你也沒有第二個了嘛那我就要請教你信保基金了把第二個好先信保基金你們現在信保基金來協助這一波受影響的台商你們的方案是什麼其實我們信保基金過去到現在一直都是對南向國家的這個保證額度到250萬但事實上呢 |
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所有的橋台商他們想要帶更多事實上是可以的只是說你超過這個額度以後呢這部分呢就沒有我們來幫你做這個保證可是如果這個橋台商他長期已經有很好的合作銀行事實上他可以帶到更高的額度是不會受影響的我們長期那個林董事長也很久了是就是說 |
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我們信保基金以往額度就是200到250萬一家公司所以現在我們委員長這邊是公開宣示說你只要在信購好往來互動有點像銀行的概念因為這都是看銀行願不願意你只要往來的信用不錯出入的頻率也不錯250萬額度的上限可能是針對新人對於既有的客戶也許可以更高那有額度的有到哪個程度 |
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因為是信保我現在不是講有擔保就不用你們了是 報告王委員現在就是說我們當然就是剛剛委員長講的我們的融資的對象就是八成是新南向國家所以這是對等關稅最嚴重的都協助新南向國家為主然後我們現在平均的融資的我們雖然說是兩百萬但是我們現在平均差不多六七十萬美金所以其實大部分就大部分都還有相當的一個空間 |
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如果70萬美金就200萬250萬那剛才委員長講說未必上限到250可以更高跟委員說明就是說他如果他的這個額度內的這個讓我們信用保證的時候他的手續費也會跟著增加然後他的利率的部分事實上也是他還可以跟他貸款的銀行去談判利率有沒有一些可以有 |
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差額的部分那事實上我們是只收到250萬的那個上限的手續費那再更多的部分呢那部分我們就不做信用保證我現在盤點的是政策工具250萬以上我不再做信用保證他跟銀行往來累積信用度不錯他可以跟銀行多借坦白講 |
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不是我們的事啦但是因為我們基金規模只有20億左右而已那句話不是說我們僑委會看你往來不錯我的信保的擔保額度可以超過250 沒辦法沒有沒有沒有我們可以做保證的到250萬美金 |
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信保基金是一個平台真正錢借出去還是銀行當然信保基金只是說我們有協助一些補貼在利息上的優惠但是有上限就是250萬至於這一家海外的企業它可以借到1000萬借到1億 |
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坦白說是他信用有夠、資產有夠銀行加價而已嘛那個不叫你的政策工具那個是銀行自己銀行不放貸他拿來賺錢所以他一定要放貸信用可靠的公司才可以回收嘛我這邊要提這一點就是說在我們的政策工具內 |
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經過這麼多年 兩百到兩百五十萬 主要第一天來的就是這個額度經濟社會變化多少 我們GDP從陳水扁馬英九時代是大概一兆七千億左右到現在我們的GDP都已經到三兆三了我們這個額度還在兩百跟兩百五十萬新南向的商業活動那麼多 我是建議因為這牽涉到錢放出去要收的回來 |
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委員這個我們基本上都是對中小企業那所以這個250萬美金呢讓他在這個營運擴廠融資上面或者他是新創事業事實上對於這種類型的目前這個額度其實都夠的那你如果是非常大型的公司基本上他們會去如果連帶他大概也不會找你們他不會找我們對沒錯我是建議說我們希望我們的中小企業會成長 |
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然後我們的僑委會也不要因為他長大了他就自己去找銀行了我是說你們可以去思考我們現在政策工具兩百萬到兩百五十萬的額度可以適度設置有點像像退府會退府軍人我們再增加我們的清新規模我們就可以把上限提高設定第二級 |
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就是這個往來或者他的行業或者怎麼樣到什麼程度的話他直接到第二級不是大家都可以到第二級的時候我可以幫你擔保額度更高一點所以我是建議讓你的工具更豐富更靈活因為市場在多樣化我們 |
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事實上委員我們最少是200那250萬就是因應2017年的新南向之後又多了50萬所以不是不可能是有可能但是跟著這個增加的同時就是我們的基金規模必須要增資所以我們這個基金規模要增資的同時要編列預算當然 |
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對 所以這個也是 這個就是公務部門的政治工具嘛當你做了市場分析評估我們現在投資額度從2017年前的多少到現在投資額已經爬到第二大了而東南亞的4億人口的市場是我們所重視的希望強化政府跟橋外商 橋台商的連結那200萬到250萬額度顯然不足以支應某一些 |
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案子的時候根據這個你們提出來希望行政院這邊增加基金的規模然後我們也設定一定的條件在特定的行業可以進入到更高一級的這樣子橋委會也成長了我們在橋外的部分的服務也成長了否則一旦離開這個額度就脫離你們的手有點可惜啦因為很多小雞可能養大你們有功勞啊所以我的意思說你們可以去評估一下你們這個政策工具夠不夠好不好好 謝謝委員 謝謝 |
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謝謝王定一委員上台資訊接下來由鍾嘉斌委員上台資訊鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員不在接下來由徐巧欣委員上台資訊 |
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謝謝主席我想那個僑委會委員長然後經濟部常務次長跟我們這個國發會副主委那都可以先上台一下 |
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我用好好那謝謝我們呢大家都很關心這個貿易戰以及台橋的這個經營的困境那麼呢現在呢這個台幣又過度的升值那對於很多的這些廠商們他們是感覺到非常的擔心因為台灣的出口島上七成而且呢我們的毛利率都非常的低所以在這個升值的情況下面大家都很擔心受到這個影響 |
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那我想要先問一下委員長我們這幾天有沒有收到僑胞對於台幣升值的一些回饋反應或是擔憂多少都有一些多少都有一些嘛那我們在這個部分的我們有什麼樣的提供他們的解決方式 |
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昨天看起來這個台幣的升值狀況好像趨於穩定那所以希望他只是一個一時的心理預期的現象那後續的這個幣匯率上面可以持續的保持一個穩定性因為不管他是升值或貶值一定會有某個業別受到嚴重的影響如果他是升值的時候就會對出口導向不利如果是貶值的時候又會對進口導向不利 |
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這當然但是我們台幣升值的這個幅度那算是史上來說非常大所以影響也特別的大那您剛才有提到說有進行這些座談那目前業者反映的訴求跟困難是什麼那我們的問卷的結果又是什麼呢 |
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委員這個是這個月五月要開始進行的所以還沒有結果出來因為我們五月是歐洲商會的總會這個就跟那個王定宇委員講的一樣就是大家會擔心太慢因為呢川普他的這個政策呢是這個初一十五跟月亮一樣都不一樣 |
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委員有點不一樣的地方是因為他們在各個不同國家那各個國家談判速度是不一樣的那我等一下會問各個國家的部分那現在呢要提供這個930億的相關紓困政策那我想要問一下僑委會這邊呢會分到多少的我們在這個紓困政策裡面基本上是沒有列入的沒有列入的因為他這個不是對於國內的廠商的補助 |
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OK所以呢對於國外的僑胞的部分那我們就沒有在這個930因為那個會視為是外資的一個邏輯那呢再來就是呢我們在這個報告裡面有提到要投資美國隊應該是我看是哪一位的這個報告經濟部嗎還是國發會那呢投資美國隊是要投資多少呢 |
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你們的預期目前這個部分事實上我們談判的單位現在正在磋商之中磋商之中所以還不知道要投資多少錢不是 這容委員我們是不是給他們一點空間 |
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OK好那呢我們現在匯率升值之後對美投資還能賺到錢嗎是不是我們在整個我們的出口導向的這些產業裡面當匯率升值之後我們的對美投資能夠獲利的這個幅度會變得更小呢 |
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匯率跟投資我們除了看短期的狀況之外你投資之後的收入嘛收益的部分它都是要看長期的趨勢跟客戶端的需求我問的問題是說匯率升值之後我們對美投資之後呢那我們賺取的這些收益是否會受到影響那影響的層面如何我們評估的狀況又是如何 |
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那當然這個角色說未來有一些具體的投資落地的時候這一些我們就要看基本上這個投資的契約是如何去進行相關的分潤不過我們在進行任何一個投資之前第一個一定要確保台灣的這個利益還有確保我們台灣是真正需要而這個的投資對於競爭力是有幫忙那我們現在評估的如何呢 |
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我們現在我剛剛有說明了可能這個部分是不是要評估到什麼時候啊因為930億裡面當你們要提出來930億裡面完全是協助不管是照顧弱勢穩定民生還有包括支持產業的部分也都沒有針對這個投資美國對呀然後相關的這個對美投資對台灣台灣廠商對美投資的部分 |
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跟委員報告現在行政院送到立法院這邊來的完全是針對我們國內的資用的部分那再來我們有看到剛才有談到是我們未來要調升海外的生產基地那所以呢我們呢就是希望剛才那個我們徐委員長有講到就是說呢可能要移到這個菲律賓那因為菲律賓呢被收的這個關稅比較少但是呢我想要請教一下就是呢為什麼菲律賓被收的關稅比較少呢 |
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這個問題不是我們能夠回答因為當然是喔 當然是喔這個川普他們是有一個公式去計算出來的這個對等關稅對等關稅當然是每一個國家跟美國之間的這些談判的關係那步步他一開始是有公式的之後還延長90天基本上他是以貿易逆差 |
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貿易逆差因為菲律賓與美國的貿易逆差順差並沒有我們對他是順差對我們是逆差在這樣的狀況下因為菲律賓跟美國的貿易投資額都沒有那麼順差逆差那麼落差大 |
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我要講的事情是我們跟美國的貿易呢是順差但是呢菲律賓跟美國的貿易是逆差所以說呢他的這個關稅被收的比較少但我要強調的事情是如果我們的台商呢我們移到了這個菲律賓然後呢來做很多的這個產業那包含是製造業的話 |
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提高了菲律賓他的相關的這個跟美國之間的這個順差從逆差轉成順差的時候那他的關稅是不是也可能被提升那在這個部分呢我想我們的政府都要預先的然後去做準備委員因為這個每一年每一年的這個貿易額度是會浮動的 |
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當然我講的是一個具體的概念就是說川普他在當時他列出了這個公式表的時候就是以國家的順差逆差他來作為一個公式那因為菲律賓跟美國之間的這個貿易他們也是順差所以才會是17%如果是逆差的話就是18%不是17% |
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對那因為呢這個柬埔寨它相關的這個關稅呢是比較少受是因為他們的跟美國之間的這個賺的這個錢我的了解好像有一個島只有企鵝跟那個海豹好像也是要付稅 |
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好像也有十幾%十%那但是都是沒有十%是本來的基本關稅嘛好那我要講的事情是說呢剛才大家講的這個海外信保基金的這個投資狀況那麼呢我們看到信保基金呢有具體的措施協助台商呢僑台商能夠降低經營成本 |
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不只是依賴政府的補助那你們提到的這個性保基金裡面那很多年都被指出說回銷的回收的這個成效很差那呢這個是立法院中預算中心提到的那去年 |
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7月底海外信保基金累积带位清偿是386件那含本金利息跟诉讼费用在里面呢原始的带位清偿金额是5003万美元全数回收者是31件回收是232万美元比例非常的低也就是呢有355件是没有全部收回的 |
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9666.135 |
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9686.6 |
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那代位清場的金額有到高達4700萬的這個美元那我們只回收呢這個相對少很多啦我們在圖上都有寫我就不一一贅述了那我們目前有什麼樣的方案能夠增加收回的經濟措施嗎委員跟委員說明早期因為那個 |
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這個代位清償的我們是永久代位清償大概是全國內的唯一一個基金這樣做的因為基本上大部分的金融機構都只會20年就是一個底線他就會把他打成白帳或壞帳 |
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那我們信保基金是永遠追償那在這個過程當中早期因為有一個制度其實他那個賬都不多幾萬塊幾萬塊而已主要是那時候貸給僑生那僑生因為受到一些詐騙集團的人或者是那個有點是仲介的欺騙所以他們來貸了以後八萬十萬然後就沒有還就走了所以早期很多案件是因為這樣真正是企業廠商的貸款而這個倒債的比例 |
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可是這個金額蠻高的耶有這麼多人來借是不是啊我請董事長跟您說明一下這個金額是非常高而且立法院的預算中心也認為這個事情是必須要檢討的跟委員報告我們海瑞信訪基金的貸償率是1.42%也就是說我們保證100塊的話那貸償的比例是1.42塊 |
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那我問一下喔所以我們的比率是相對還是我問一下喔我們尚未收回代償金額的比率有幾成 |
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對 這個部分是因為我們在海外因為各國的法律的不一樣我就問一個問題很清楚就是我們尚未回收貸償金額的比率我們回收的比率差不多將近18%所以就是差不多82%是沒有辦法回收不過我跟委員報告就是說我們這個部分就像剛剛委員長我們一直盡力都在做我們除了這個債權的銀行他們要負責來處理這個事情之外 |
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你刚刚讲的这个上面跟我们数字写的就不太一样啊你刚刚说收回收多少回收是17.69%那你看一下这张图好不好你看这个所以是没有回收的话是差不多82%那你刚刚跟我说十几趴你上面写的是80%那个是指回收的我刚刚问你的就是回收的部分我先说这个部分再说 |
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對嘛那如果我沒有追問的話你就沒有告訴我啊所以這個80%八成的部分我們沒有回收代償金額的比率超過八成這個是需要檢討的所以那個徐家信委員長因為我時間不夠了所以我們在海外性保基金的這個回收情況是非常有必要來檢討的委員這個在我接 |
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委員長之前就已經長這樣然後這幾年都沒有增加我們已經把它做的控制的很好就是沒有再有呆帳在我的任內發生了但是應該要追討的部分呢我們還是要盡力嘛那不然的話但是終身有效一旦他的戶頭有錢或者他的資產有錢我們馬上就會去把他追討 |
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不然這麼高的一個81.63左右的這個數字是讓大家會覺得這非常荒謬所以呢那就麻煩這個我們委員長繼續做努力好了會 我們會持續努力 謝謝謝謝謝曉欣委員上台執行接下來有葉延芝委員上台執行 |
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主席好 馬上請找經濟部常務次長 |
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委員好市長好那個最近大家都在關心說現在匯率台幣升值到很快那之前政府曾經有編列一個4100億的特別預算然後匡列了930億是針對川普的關稅政策對於產業影響的一些因應作為嘛我想問一下930億當初在評估的時候是純粹針對關稅 |
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還是有沒有把可能廠商的賄損的損失把它評估進來所編列的預算 |
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我們這裡面剛剛委員所說的我們包括對於中小微企業包括他調度的這個需求裡面其實我們已經有涵蓋在裡面了我說賄損的部分因為這個所謂他所謂的調度的需求資金調度的需求原因非常多種但我們不會去列舉說他完全是因為賄損因為你如果說純粹針對關稅 |
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是一回事然後另外匯損又是另外一回事因為有一些廠商他出口過去他要報價報價完之後忽然發現台幣升值他賣出去之後換回台幣他就虧了所以評估的方式不一樣要很精準而不是說隨便匡列一個就看你們需要多少所以你有把所以市長是有把匯損這塊列進來有嗎我們基本上特別的條例是針對對等關稅影響之下 |
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各項的產業需求對這邊包括廠商的資金的調度資金調度所以有針對我剛剛講的部分嗎還有包括財政的支持的部分財政支持所以是有那我想問一下 |
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事先經濟部在評估這件事情的時候有想到可能我們台幣會升值到這麼快嗎事先我們有跟廠商進行包括部內非常多的座談但廠商會知道說其實為了那個經濟分析的那個scenario有考慮這件事情經濟部有沒有得到消息就是說美國可能會希望我們升息會嗎 |
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因為我昨天看那個韓國的央行的負責人都已經出來講他說美國可能會希望亞洲貨幣升值那你們進一步有沒有得到這個消息然後去做一些產業的評估有嗎禮拜一的時候針對於費率包括央行的總裁包括總統都已經發表了談話那這個部分沒有沒有我不在講談話我說事先有得到這個消息所以做出因應之道然後去做評估不是 這個是一個 |
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像昨天他的這個升值的幅度就稍微的收斂那所以基本上他這個現象我們怎麼我們既然不是說所謂的費率的操縱國家我怎麼會事先會去知道這個消息啊也不會啊那個韓國的他們就說美國希望有這個壓力啊所以我都問說你們有沒有嘛人家就可以知道我們就不知道 |
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當然是可以知道不然別人為什麼會知道我們國家央行在進行它所謂的匯率因為央行匯率的匯率它為什麼要做調節它做調節的目的是不希望我們產業忽然間受到很大的衝擊所以這個跟經濟部業務也會相關 |
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所以怎麼會講的跟經濟部都好像跟你們都沒關係一樣呢那這樣子政府怎麼會給外界信心表示說我們可以來面對國際不管是經濟或是貨幣的變化所造成的衝擊呢好 沒關係 次長我再跟你請教別的問題因為 |
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昨天媒體很關注就是部長 郭志偉部長他在請AIT吃飯或是在宴客的時候在自家公司嘛那後來經濟部是有澄清說沒有圖利問題因為所有的錢都是郭部長自掏腰包自掏腰包應該就是用他個人的錢拿出來付嘛那想問次長在跟AIT吃飯那一場你本人有在現場嗎沒有你沒有去喔 |
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那我想問喔經濟部是不是請客吃飯通常都是部長出錢都自己出錢我們部長他從企業家投入到公職他確實犧牲了很多包括他很多的對於回答我問你這不用公務員部長我現在只是想要了解說那是不是自從部長你也是剛到經濟部嘛 |
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到今後多久我一直在經濟部的三級機關三十幾年一直在經濟部的三級機關我是說現在到長治多久我從三月多所以在跟郭部長接觸的過程當中是不是只要經濟部驗客都是他自己自掏腰包 |
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這個我並不清楚那為什麼這一場就是請AIT吃飯因為他的邀請函發出去基本上部長經常他自己掏腰包來請我們的同仁甚至是買禮物犒賞同仁是一回事那犒賞同仁也有可能用課資費啦我現在問的是為什麼用經濟部的邀請函發出去邀請AIT來吃飯明明就是經濟部的活動 |
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但部長要自掏腰包是為什麼這個是經濟部的慣例嗎還是怎麼樣並沒有那為什麼只有這幾場是他自掏腰包並不是說因為他那幾場郭部長進入到經濟部以來他一直是拿他自己包括在外面所包括他自己的這個資產的部分 |
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這讓人家很怪嘛而且你會讓其他的部長覺得說 哇 原來經濟部長這麼大方這個明明就應該要公帑的費用是經濟部發的邀請函 宴請AIT原來是要部長 |
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自掏腰包而且二十幾萬欸不是他是一個企業家所以企業要自己出錢這很奇怪他非常的慷慨而且非常的真誠他做任何的事情絕對不會虛偽造假我沒有說他虛偽造假你為什麼要好像忽然間提到這個我只是在講這個機制問題因為大家覺得怪啊明明就是政府的宴會那為什麼部長自己出錢 |
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所以我想問說這是經濟部的慣例還是有什麼特殊狀況昨天連那個卓院長都說要查了嘛不知道說那個現在查的狀況怎樣可能你這個也給卓院長很大的壓力超越我的理解範圍超過你的理解範圍對好 謝謝 |
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謝謝葉研師上台執行以上已登記執行委員除不在場外 均已發言完畢報告及詢答的結束本日會議由陳永康委員 林益晶委員 馬文晶委員提出書面執行請列入記錄並刊登公報 |
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委員書面期口頭執行為期答覆部分或要求補充資料者請相關單位已書面於兩週內答覆委員另約定期限者從期鎖定本日會議到此結束 散會 |