| IVOD_ID |
16648 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16648 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-07T08:30:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-07T10:32:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:01:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/b41997f390c3528ebec65557fcf0aacbc45a0f691f44763914bfadd538e1bbbfc5de85413e61c0275ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查「貨物稅條例」34案：
(一) 本院委員葉元之等21人擬具「貨物稅條例刪除部分條文草案」案。
(二) 本院委員廖先翔等16人擬具「貨物稅條例刪除第八條條文草案」案。
(三) 本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「貨物稅條例第十一條、第十一條之一及第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
(四) 本院委員邱若華等20人擬具「貨物稅條例第十一條條文修正草案」案。
(五) 本院委員魯明哲等16人、委員顏寬恒等19人、委員羅廷瑋等16人、委員賴士葆等21人、委員邱鎮軍等22人、委員徐欣瑩等27人、委員翁曉玲等17人、委員羅明才等16人、委員郭國文等17人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員廖偉翔等17人、委員許宇甄等21人、委員黃建賓等16人、委員林思銘等21人、委員萬美玲等16人分別擬具「貨物稅條例第十一條之一條文修正草案」等15案。
(六) 本院委員李坤城等24人擬具「貨物稅條例第十一條之一、第十二條之五及第十二條之六條文修正草案」案。
(七) 本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人、委員林思銘等19人、委員涂權吉等17人、委員陳玉珍等19人、委員馬文君等18人、委員王世堅等19人、委員張智倫等25人、委員魯明哲等16人、委員王鴻薇等19人、委員楊瓊瓔等20人、委員邱鎮軍等24人、委員萬美玲等18人、委員廖偉翔等17人分別擬具「貨物稅條例第十二條條文修正草案」等13案。
(八) 本院委員邱鎮軍等19人擬具「貨物稅條例第十二條之三條文修正草案」案。
二、審查「貨物稅條例」13案：
(一) 本院委員黃健豪等19人擬具「貨物稅條例第十一條及第十一條之一條文修正草案」案。【本案如經院會復議，本次會議不予審查】
(二) 本院委員鍾佳濱等18人、委員洪孟楷等16人、委員陳菁徽等16人、委員楊瓊瓔等27人、委員柯志恩等16人、委員廖先翔等17人、委員李彥秀等17人、委員賴惠員等25人、委員王美惠等18人分別擬具「貨物稅條例第十一條之一條文修正草案」等9案。【後6案如經院會復議，本次會議不予審查】
(三) 本院委員羅明才等19人、委員許宇甄等22人分別擬具「貨物稅條例第十二條之三條文修正草案」等2案。【本院委員許宇甄等22人提案如經院會復議，本次會議不予審查】
(四) 本院委員賴士葆等27人擬具「貨物稅條例第十二條之五條文修正草案」案。【本案如經院會復議，本次會議不予審查】
三、繼續審查人民請願案有關「貨物稅條例」7案。
【5月7日及8日二天一次會】） |
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請主任秘書宣告出席人數報告委員會出席委員與署法定人數好 現在開始開會了 議事人員宣讀聲次以示錄 請 |
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議法院第十一屆第三會期財政委員會第十次全體委員會議事錄時間中華民國一百二十四年四月三十日星期三九十至十三十七分地點群雄樓九樓大禮堂出席委員林德福委員等十四人列席委員黃國昌委員等十六人列席官員今晚會主委彭金榮近其相關人員司法院民事廳 |
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法官毛彥成法務部法治司副司長謝志明主席賴昭吉委員會員報告事項宣讀商事會議事錄決定議事錄確定討論事項審查保險法15案1行政函請本院委員蔡其昌等19人委員羅廷偉等16人 |
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委員王世堅 等18人 委員徐富奎 等16人 委員蔡其昌 等19人委員蔡奕宇 等18人 委員林思明 等18人 分明 女居保險法 部分條文修正草案 等8案2 委員鍾嘉斌 等19人 女居保險法 鎮定第123條及1條文草案案3 本院台灣民進黨黨團 委員陳昌明 等16人 委員羅志強 等19人 委員 |
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李坤臣等23人委員賴瑞榮等16人委員王美惠等17人分別擬拒保險法增進第174條之二及第174條之三條文草案等落案金唐明任兩黨團代表洪珊珊委員羅志強說明提案要旨金管會主委彭金榮就行政院提案報告及回應 |
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委員提案後藉由委員林德福等18人提出質詢經濟監管和控制委司法院保法官法務部卸副司長及相關人員予以答覆決議一說明及詢問完畢二委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資訊請相關部會於一周內以書面答覆委員另要求期限則從期鎖定三委員徐新雲所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報並請相關部會以書面答覆四保險法十五案令則其繼續審查通過臨時提案一案宣讀完畢 |
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好 報告委員會請問各位委員對於議事錄有異議沒有異議我們確認議事錄委員宣讀經過議程我們先介紹在場的委員跟政府關聯沒有問題我先介紹好了內會員召委吳秉立委員王世堅委員林詩敏委員 |
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現在就請官員財政部的政務次長李清華法治處的姚昀處長 負稅署的宋秀琳署長經濟部何進昌政務次長 產業發展署的曾副署長 |
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人員署節能發展及管理組的組長高淑芳環境部大氣環境師的孫中偉經營計政衛生福利部食品藥物管理署北區管理中心的主任鄭維智主任防護防護師的謝志敏副市長好我們就請宣讀今天的要處理的條例 |
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繼續審查貨物稅條例三一四案一委員葉元之等二十一人擬拒貨物稅條例三除部分條文草案案二委員廖先祥等十六人擬拒貨物稅三除第八條條文草案案三台灣民眾黨團擬拒貨物稅條例第十一條第十一條之一第三十七條條文修正草案案四委員邱若驊等二十人擬拒貨物稅條例第十一條條修正草案案五委員魯明哲 |
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等十六人 委員袁寬恆 等十九人 委員羅廷瑋 等十六人委員賴世保 等二十一人 委員邱振軍 等二十二人委員徐欣盈 等二十七人 委員翁曉林 等十七人委員羅明才 等十六人 委員郭國文 等十七人委員王宏威 等二十四人 委員廖偉祥 等十七人委員徐宇珍 等二十一人 委員黃建斌 等十六人委員明思明 等二十一人 委員萬美玲 |
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等十六人分別擬據獲稅條例第十一條之一條文修正草案等十五案六委員林克成等二十四人擬據獲稅條例第十一條之一第十二條之五及第十二條之六條文修正草案案七委員鄭天才等十九人委員林思明等十九人委員圖全吉等十七人委員 |
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陳玉珍等十九人委員馬文君等十八人委員王世堅等十九人委員張志倫等二十五人委員魯明哲等十六人委員王宏偉等十九人委員楊瓊英等二十人委員邱振軍等二十四人委員萬美玲等十八人委員廖偉祥等十七人分別擬拒獲物稅條例第十二條條文修正草案等十三案八委員邱振軍等十九人擬拒獲物稅條例第十二條之三條文修正草案二審查獲物稅條例十三案 |
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一委員 黃建豪 等19人 擬具貨物稅條例第十一條及第十一條之一條文修正草案二委員 鍾嘉斌 等18人 委員 洪孟楷 等16人 委員 陳金輝 等16人 委員 楊瓊英 等27人 委員柯志恩 等16人 委員 廖仙翔 等17人 委員 李燕秀 等17人 委員 賴慧芸 等25人 |
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委員王美惠等18人分別擬具貨物稅條例第11條之1條文修正草案等9案3委員羅秉才等19人委員徐宇甄等22人分別擬具貨物稅條例第12之3條條文修正草案等2案4委員賴世寶等27人擬具貨物稅條例第12條之5條文修正草案案3審查人民情案有關貨物稅條例7案宣讀完畢 |
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好 要報告五位 我們剛進來的是黃珊珊委員本次會議安排繼續審查委員 議員自知21等人 自等21人 拟據風水條例刪除部分調查案委員廖先生等16人 拟據 |
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貨物稅條例刪除第八條條文草案台灣民眾黨黨團凝聚貨物稅條例第十一條第十一條之一第三十七條條文修正草案案等三十四案二審查委員黃建豪等十九人凝聚貨物稅條例第十一條及第十一條之一修正 |
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條文修正草案案委員鍾嘉斌等18人凝聚貨物稅條例第11條之一 條文修正草案案等13案繼續處理人民情人案7案委員葉願志等21人凝聚貨物稅條例刪除部分條文修正草案等3、4案已於第9次全體會議宣讀完畢現在請議事委員宣讀今日審查 |
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有幾個這個新進來的法案黃建豪特使求人領據 化物稅條例第十一條及第十一條資金修正草案等事項案條例內容請議事人員宣讀大概八分鐘然後我們準備稍微協商 |
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第十一條委員黃建豪等19人提案增訂第四項第一項第一款第三款及第四款之電冰箱能暖氣機及除濕機經經濟部核定能源效率分級為第一級或第二級者免徵貨物稅 |
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第十一條之一,委員中嘉賓等十八人提案,第一項修正為,自中華民國一百十二年六月十五日起至一百十六年六月十四日子,購買經經濟部核定能源效率分級為第一級或第二級至新電冰箱、新能暖氣機或新除濕機,非供銷售者為退貨或換貨者。 |
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該等貨物應增至貨物稅每台減增稅額以新台幣2500元為限並按電冰箱、暖暖氣機、除濕機減增貨物稅稅額表規定減增之 |
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委員洪孟凱等16人提案第一項修正為自中華民國112年6月15日起至118年12月31日止購買經經濟部核低能源效率分級為第一級或第二級新電冰箱、新冷暖氣機或新除濕機非供銷售且未退貨或換貨者該等貨物應徵之貨物稅每台減徵稅額以新台幣2500為限 |
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並按電冰箱、冷暖氣機、除濕機、檢證貨物稅、稅額表規定檢證之 |
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委員陳金威等16人提案第一項修正為自中華民國112年6月15日起至118年12月31日子購買經經濟部核定能源效率分級為第一級或第二級之新電冰箱、新冷暖氣機或新除濕機非供銷售且未退貨或荒漠者該等貨物應增至貨物稅每台減增稅額以新台幣2000元為限並讓電冰箱、冷暖氣機、除濕機減增貨物稅稅額表規定減增之 |
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委員楊秋英等二十七人提案第一項修正為自中華民國一百四年六月十五日起至一百十九年六月十四日子購買經經濟部核定能源效率分級為第一級或第二級新電冰箱、新冷暖氣機或新除濕機非供銷售且未退貨或荒獲者該等貨物應增至貨物稅每台減增稅額以新台幣兩千元為限並按電冰箱冷暖氣機除濕機減增貨物稅稅額表規定減增之 |
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委員柯志恩等16人提案第一項修正為自中華民國112年6月15日起至118年6月14日子購買經經濟部核定能源效率分級為第一級或第二級之新電冰箱、新冷暖氣機或新除濕機非供銷售且未退貨或荒獲者該等貨物印證之貨物稅每台減徵稅額以新台幣2000為限並按電冰箱冷暖氣機除濕機減徵貨物稅稅額表規定減徵之 |
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4323.455 |
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委員廖先祥等17人提案第一項修正為自中華民國114年6月15日起至119年6月14日購買經濟部合併能力效率分級為第一級或第二級是新電冰箱、新冷暖漆機或新除濕機非供銷售且未退貨或候候者該等貨物應增至貨物稅每台減增稅以新台幣3000元為限並按電冰箱、冷暖漆機、除濕機、減增貨物稅稅額表規定減增之 |
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4325.36 |
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谢谢大家 |
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委員李燕秀等17人提案第一項修正為自中華民國112年6月15日起至116年6月14日止購買經經濟部核定能源效率分級為第一級或第二級新電冰箱、新冷暖氣機或新除濕機非供銷售且未退貨或荒唬者該等貨物應徵之貨物稅以新台幣2000元為限 |
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4381.174 |
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避難電冰箱、能暖氣機、除濕機、減增貨物稅稅額表規定減增之委員、賴會員等25人提案第一項修正為自中華民國114年6月15日起至116年12月31日止購買經經濟部核低能源效率分級為第一級或第二級新電冰箱、新能暖氣機或新除濕機非供銷售且未退貨或貨貨貨者 |
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4382.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
4394.06 |
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該等貨物應增至貨物稅每台減增稅以新台幣3000元為限避難電冰箱、冷暖氣機、除濕機減增貨物稅稅額表規定減增之增訂第四項為 |
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4395.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
4412.172 |
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第一項簡真年限屆期前半年行政院得示實際推展情況延長一次期限以兩年為限委員王美惠等18人提案第一項修正為自中華民國112年6月15日起至116年6月14日 |
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4440.338 |
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購買經經濟部核定能力效率分級為第一級或第二級是新電冰箱型冷暖氣機或新除濕機非供銷售且未推貨或換貨者該等貨物應增至貨物稅每台減增稅額以新台幣2000元為限並按新電冰箱並按電冰箱冷暖氣機除濕機減增貨物稅稅額表規定減增之委員黃建豪等19人提案三處 |
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4444.346 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
4473.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
第十二條之三委員羅明才等19人提案第二項修正為自中華民國106年1月28日起至119年12月31日止購買完全以電能為動力之電動車輛並完成登記者免徵該等車輛應徵之貨物稅但電動小客車免徵金額以完稅價格新台幣140萬元計算之稅為限超過部分不予免徵 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
4474.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
4485.954 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
委員徐宇甄的22人提案第二項修正為自中華民國106年1月28日起至124年12月31日止購買完全以電能為動力之電動車輛並完成登記者免徵該等車輛應徵出貨物稅但電動小客車免徵金額以完稅價格新台幣140萬元計算之稅額違憲超過部分不予免徵 |
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4503.308 |
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4524.036 |
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第十二條 補援賴氏寶等二十七等提案第一項修正為自中華民國一百零五年一月八日起至一百十五年一月七日止報費或出口登記滿一年且出廠六年以上或自一百十年一月八日起至一百二十年一月七日止 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
4525.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
4541.751 |
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報廢貨出口登記滿一年且出廠十年以上小客車、小貨車、小客貨兩用車於報廢貨出口前後六個月內購買上開車輛新車且完成新領牌照登記者該等新車應徵之貨稅每輛電額或減徵稅額以新台幣十萬元 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
4547.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
4567.057 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
減徵新台幣10萬元110年1月8日以後報費或出口登記一年且出廠6年以上之上開車輛如已於115年1月7日以前或係於報費或出口前6個月內購買上開車輛新車且完成心理牌照登記者 |
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4568.272 |
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4575.115 |
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該等新車應徵貨物稅異同但應徵稅額未達新台幣10萬元者減徵稅額以應徵稅額為限第三項修正為自中華民國110年1月8日起至120年1月7日止報廢或出口出廠4個年以上 |
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4589.842 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
4605.336 |
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氣缸排氣量150立方公分以下機車以下僅稱中古機車於報費或出口前後6個月內購買新機車且完成新齡牌照登記者該新機車應徵出貨物稅每輛訂了減徵新台幣8000元但應徵稅額為達新台幣8000元者減徵稅額以應徵稅額為限宣讀完畢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
4644.787 |
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好 請那個議事人員繼續宣讀有幾位民進黨的立委啊賴會員 吳秉瑞 郭國文 李昆春等他們提出一個修正動議請念委員 賴會員等四人所提貨物稅條例第十一條之一修正動議第十一條之一第一項 自中華民國一百十四年六月十五日起至一百十六年十二月三十一日子 |
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4662.579 |
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其餘部分第一項與縣刑法相同增列第四項第一項減增年限屆期前半年行政院得釋實際推展情況延長一次並以兩年為限宣讀完畢 |
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4664.321 |
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4681.058 |
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好 這個法案全部列完我們現在處理人民請願案有關厚稅條例七個案子這個已經放很久了今天不容易委員來我們一起把他先處理掉了請議事聯絡宣讀請願案七案案有及處理參考意見宣讀起 |
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4683.407 |
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宣讀請願案7案請願人籍案有1台北市商業會未建請政府降低機車貨物稅請願文書案2台北市商業會未建請體恤名譽針對貨物稅條例第12.5條相關條文與廢紙或修正並增列會與參採請願文書案3中華民國全國商業總會未函轉會員 |
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4708.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
4735.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
中華民國汽車商業同業工會全國聯合會提案有關貨物稅第十二之五條條文修正建議案懇請本院予以協助修法請願文書案四台北市進出口商業同業工會為建井重新檢討電器類貨品課徵貨物稅之必要性提出意見請參採會付請願文書案五台北市商業台北市進口商業同業工會為建井 |
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4736.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
4760.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
舊攝影機停徵或減免貨物稅請用文書案六台北市進出口商業同業工會為建請免除攝錄影機課徵貨物稅請用文書案七台北市進出口商業同業工會為建議刪除貨物稅條例中飲料品平板玻璃電器三類產品貨物稅之請用文書案處理參考建議以上七案均為審查貨物稅條例時 |
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| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
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以公委員參考,你不成為議案,並依立法院職權行使法第67條第二項規定處理,送程序委員會報請院會審查,並通知請願人宣讀完畢請問公委員對於剛才的這個念的,就是不成為議案,依立法院職權行使法第67條第二項規定處理,公委員要依 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
4790.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
4813.553 |
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沒有異議我們就通過來 現在我們進行貨物稅條例部分條例修正草案等四十七案子協商那報告委員會現在就分兩大部分有時間性的是十一條之一十一條之一各位有沒有要再發言的有沒有因為我們已經討論很久了有沒有十一條之一還要發言的有沒有副總統說明一下來 請 |
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4839.671 |
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就是有關節能家電的部分特別跟委員報告一下當時我們的目的是因為採先增後退的方式來鼓勵民眾引導民眾去購買節能家電那根據我們的評估就是從經濟部提供的資料來評估其實它對於節能的效果非常的好它可以省電大概15.1 |
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4840.632 |
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所以合計最長可以到4.6個月 |
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你的意思就是2.6年然後這確定的兩年行政授權就這樣子好這是行政院的版本但是還沒有送來立法院我們今天一定要處理因為這個時間賽跑了來我們再請黃珊珊委員法院下一位李燕秀再過來這個郭國麟再過來李坤臣 |
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4898.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
4924.975 |
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好謝謝主席我想我們台灣民眾黨的版本大家手上都有主要是延長年限之外其實我們還有另外一個內容是我們當然支持延長開放高耗能家電的時間但是我們的時間我們認為說直接延長到2030這也是我們相關簡簡單單的政策的年限就是2030到現在的話我們還有的一段時間也不會讓人民為了趕這個幾年 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
4927.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
4948.644 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
提早的汰換或大部分的人會希望能夠得到這個優惠而變成反而他的負擔增加我們希望他能夠逐步的汰換這第一點第二點是我們在這個十一之一條裡面其實他我們認為說已經有非常多的是不合時宜的相關的貨物稅那以前貨物稅是比較像奢侈品的 |
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4949.324 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
4971.092 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
也是比較有錢的人來使用的但是事實上貨物稅已經到現在為止很多嚴格都已經沒有了第一個最重要的是像彩色電視機還有13%但是現在都是液晶顯示器根本就沒有貨物稅所以我們認為彩色電視機也不是高耗能的家電稅它其實不需要再課所謂的貨物稅另外下面大家看到還有錄影機 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
4971.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
4998.104 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
現在幾乎已經沒有錄音機這種東西了電唱機然後還有錄音機錄音機大部分都在3C產品裡面了那另外就是音響組合跟電烤箱這些都已經是家庭的必備的使用品而且它也不是屬於財政部或者是環境部認為的高耗能家電所以這些其實它課貨物稅而且它的金額非常的少我們認為說這些不合時宜的貨物稅都應該直接取消 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
4998.624 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
5015.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
所以不是只有單純的把時間延長更何況它時間延長只有這幾項有關什麼除濕機啊冷暖氣機這種耗能高的其他的部分它也沒有所謂的免貨物稅那這些貨物稅科的內容跟金額都不高我們認為說應該直接把它廢除謝謝 |
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5018.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
5038.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
好 現在請李燕秀委員派好 謝謝昭偉我想對於十一條之一大家相對是有共識的延長家電的退貨稅兩年我覺得這是邁向2050年近年轉型的非常重要的一環但是也因為供應院的調查我們現在年輕族群特別是從18歲到24歲不論是在實時的減碳的行為上還是在參與的意願上其實都是明顯的低落 |
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5046.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
5062.603 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
其實這就代表我們的政策誘因其實還不夠強我們宣傳是不是還不夠也不夠貼近現在年輕世代的生活情境所以在這個部分在十一條之一我的修法建議是把退稅措施再次延長兩年 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
5064.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
5077.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
這兩年的目的不是為了補助我們是希望透過政策引導民眾特別是我們年輕人可以願意主動參與節能減碳的意願同時我們希望藉著這樣的政策能夠促使業者未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
5079.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
5104.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
在設計或者是生產時更能夠符合國際上節能減碳包括更能重視能源的效率也助於我們整個產業結構的調整跟升級同時我們也考慮到納稅權力保護法的精神我們的租稅優惠應該有明確的期限為了避免未來大家批評我們常態化的補貼因此我的版本是建議再次延長兩年到116年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
5107.388 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
5123.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
6月14號達到政策目標後我們應該重新再檢討是不是應該退場或者是未來是必須要調整方向這樣也會比較符合我們財政紀律跟政策規劃的基本原則所以希望這個部分大家能夠支持以上 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
5124.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
5128.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
我個人提出的版本也是到大約到這個2029年年底那剛好行政院版本他再延長一次也是到2029年 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
5147.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
5159.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
不過這個部分有幾個問題點財政部長剛剛提到的部分就有關於這個稅差損的部分這個5年多來好像有高達211億左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
5163.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
5184.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
然後另外一個部分這個稅差損的部分是用總金額計算有沒有去換算過那個申請數申請數的部分總額是申請數總共是1271萬台申請數之後的跟實際銷售出去的佔比大概多少也就是說他有的人要退稅他買的不一定會退 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
5185.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
5204.026 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
退稅我是想要了解它誘因到底多少高或不高就是這個占比的部分當然它也一定減能減碳的效果一年大概有五億度之多就站在消費方的部分的話也減少大概數以億之多的電費 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
5205.727 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
5225.518 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
所以從減碳有達到一定的效果那從產業發展的部分也有達到一定的效果那我之所以會談到這個占比的問題是說你們既然有一次要延長對不對是不是要檢討一下這個占比在延長的過程當中把這個減稅的金額適時提高的這個可能性這是我的疑問跟主張 以上好 現在要請李坤澄委員發言 |
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謝謝主席那我自己有一條11條之一的那我是直接這個是延長到這個118年延長到118年我的這個基礎是說因為我們這一個 |
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復康巴士這個當時候在修的時候也是延長到118年10月31號那如果按照這個院版的話你們是到這個116年然後在得試情況再延長一次兩年維新也是到118年那所以其實我是想說這也不用這個 |
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這個常常修啦要不要就是說這個就避其功於矣啦就是這個既然都是最後都是到118年那是不是就是就是我們就是直接延長到118年啦那這個就是說既然你們有這個成效那對於這一個淨零排放也有這一個顯數的這個幫忙的話那我覺得就這樣子來做可能會我覺得會比較好啦不然你看接下來我們還有這一個 |
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明年的還有這個1月7號有一個老舊大型車這也要到期了那所以到了年底我們還要再修一次那所以我等一下的提案有關這個第12條之五12條之六也是一樣以上說明 |
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我們今天我跟那會員郭國文、李昆城提出這個修正動議他為什麼會去訂116年的12月31日子然後再來又用立法授權行政院可以延長一次兩年這是因為我們這一任的任期 |
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是到2028年的1月31號也就是117年的1月31號那如果你一次把它定超過這個期間就是說等於是我們這一屆的立委把下一屆立委的那個權限都決定掉了啦 |
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所以他這個是為什麼會這樣兩段立法就立到116年12月31號然後後面是用立法授權行政機關到時候評估他有需要的話他再延長兩年這樣下一屆立委要處理這個事情的時候才不會覺得說怎麼我們第11屆就把他第12屆的都決定掉了這個是以上這個提案我認為一個重要的點請大家參考 謝謝 |
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因為我個人也有提案啦我的提案是說既然大家覺得效果這麼好那為什麼不forever呢就直接禁掉就好了而且我個人是反對給行政授權啦這個租稅法定主義啊拜託大家都才會這麼久的人租稅要明確化啦你要就兩年三年四年你說四點六年我都支持你五年我也支持 |
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現在但是你來一個2.6加2這個我沒辦法支持我是講我的態度這個樣子所以今天這樣大家意見都講了現在不免有委員提到兩年以後就剛才吳委員提到的不要去簽署到下一屆的立委這個其實我們常常有時候法律定就定比如說整個法吹廢掉那就是影響到下一屆這個不必這個當然可以考慮但是也可以不考慮了另外行政版本是2.6加2個月 |
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就是今天的民進黨團結會立委他們提出來的2.6加2年是行政院的授權那也有委員提到2030的所以我做一個結論可不可以因為大家爭議這麼大我們才會 |
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這個習慣也不要絕啦 既能氣氛好一點啦就整個案子送出去把案子送出去 現在變成說有三大部分一個是兩年 一個是2.6加2那一個是Forever 一個到2030Forever就是整個就不要了 這個就永遠不住了一起送去協商 就這樣子 好不好 |
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主席這樣子你很凸顯你個人的主張跟版本我適時的予以尊重你的看法但你不能把其他人全部都否決掉啊沒有否決就一併送出去了 |
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一併送出去啦送出去你才會刑傷啦沒有貨物稅他把他的主張放在第三個裡頭啦我是覺得這一條就用這一條來處理啦如果針對貨物稅的主張改天我們可以再請討論我的主張是我的主張這一部分就永遠免了啊你不兩千塊就永遠補了 |
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只有十一之一 只有十一之一只有十一之一啊 只有十一之一那十一之一他把它全部等於是廢掉十一之一就永遠補助啦永遠補助了啦我知道主席是說三四種意見都送政黨協商那問題是我說那財政部你們的看法你們要講一下市長你要講一下不是啦 他對你們大家這樣 |
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我們從108年實施到今年的3月底為止大概有退稅的金額大約211億元然後有1271萬台 |
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那這個部分因為我們退的貨所以是只要你是新購節能負荷節能家電效率一級跟二級的都可以退稅那但是那個因為所以那個都是新只要你新買的都可以用那但是他不用太久換新 |
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那只有太舊換新是經紀部那邊的補助他才有要太舊換新所以剛剛講到說那太舊換新的比重是多少那等一下可能麻煩經紀部那邊說明一下就是說這幾年下來總共補助的數量有多少但是我們這個退稅的數量一定是大於太舊換新的數量因為只要新採購都可以適用 |
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對然後另外就是剛才賴委員講到說是不是可以免稅的問題那這邊也跟個人報告就是說其實因為如果直接免稅其實是廠商受益因為是那個我們貨稅是產製廠商出廠的時候你如果免稅的話就是他那邊直接免徵貨物稅那但是我們節能家電它的效果是這樣它是為了要鼓勵就是綠色消費 |
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然後鼓勵我們的民眾自己去太舊換新或者自己去新購那個節能效率比較高的產品那因為你如果是直接免稅給廠商的話廠商可能就是在定價上面他到底會不會回饋給消費者這個我們不確定那消費者可能也無感因為現在也不知道說這個貨物這樣子這個價錢到底他拿到的是不是有在貨稅的減稅上面他們施以 |
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但是其實我們十一條基因爲我們十四以來民眾這麼歡迎也願意就是很積極的在自己採購的時候就覺得說我可以獲得減增貨物稅兩千塊錢我可以獲得這個退稅而且呢在搭配經濟部的這個經營太舊換新的補助三千它就有五千塊錢的回饋 |
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而且這個回饋是直接回饋到消費者身上那消費者其實他會比較有感而且他會可以鼓勵他們說因為有這樣一個措施他們也願意去趕快把他們那些老舊的家電去太舊換新採購節能效率比較好的這些家電那所以才會這幾年它的成效真的實施得不錯 |
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而且另外就是因為我們鼓勵那個綠色消費以後這些產製廠商其實他們也是獲益者為什麼呢因為他們的消費數量就增加了因為太舊換新鼓勵太舊換新以後新購的產品或者是淘汰老舊的產品其實廠商也是直接從這個地方得到這個消費的回饋產品的收益所以我們是覺得也許還是維持我們這樣一個措施對民眾來講他會比較直接有感而且真的可以鼓勵到消費者 |
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那經濟部先回答一下 |
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好 謝謝委員剛剛垂詢說這個就是退還減徵貨物稅的這個核對的比例那我們的統計從108年到這個最近五年大概核對的比例大概將近五成大概五成最高是2022年大概是五成五所以大概這個這樣的一個貸區換金的這個成效其實是非常非常有 |
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這個有效的那所以我們是也支持這個財政部的這個立場 |
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其實我想對於這個年限的問題我們剛才財政部已經表示說為了鼓勵綠色消費所以我們就是在延長這個年限但是我不解的是說為什麼要兩年二加六年又加二如果真的要鼓勵我們消費其實財政部應該評估說我們到二零三年一次就把它規定上去 |
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就不用再造成好像法律一直要修改兩年後又要修改兩年後如果認為又要延長這個政策又要修改這個對於法律的安定性會讓民眾覺得說這很奇怪的一個政策修法一次就把它倒位嘛所以我剛才支持趙薇講的要就一次2030啊或者到2050啊達到節能簡單的目的一直鼓勵我們民眾就是來做綠色消費來購買這些節能的一些家電以上 |
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謝謝主席剛剛恭臨的幾位委員都有提案那對於延長的年限法律條文的修改都有不同的主張不過剛剛聽了我們次長的發言讓我不禁想到五月端午節快到了那端午節大家最有印象的就是許仙跟白蛇 |
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那白蛇比較惹人厭 因為牠放毒嘛許仙呢 是醫生救命啊 大家都喜歡這個目前貨物稅這個條款呢 就是白蛇先放毒啊然後呢 每兩年呢 許仙出來放一次藥消費者就有感就是說消費者拿到許仙的藥說 哇 太好了現在我們市場就有感了嘛 對不對那所以是不是白蛇每固定兩年就要放一次毒啊 |
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這個法律條文的安定性剛剛林委員講到了啦但是我這裡並不是說這樣的守法我是開玩笑的說白蛇放毒,許仙解毒這個法律的效果就是如此 |
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因為耗能家電因為節能的技術日新月異那所謂的太舊換新每一次我們什麼急速的節能我們才給予這樣的補助這是在推動整個家電廠商隨著科技進步與時俱進不斷地減輕它耗電的耗能 |
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那因此把這樣的條款定成這樣的形式就是說每隔兩年我們就檢討市面上的廠商是不是有推出更節能的家電如果有我們就修法延長讓他可以來適用這個減免的優惠所以其實這個立法例是很特別的就這個白蛇跟許仙條款 |
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那到底它效益如何剛剛經濟部有提到但是我覺得我是支持財政部的做法但是呢要說得更明白到底每一次延長後整個國家的一個電氣耗能家電的汰換狀況效益如何經濟部可以再提出更明確的效益評估那麼我們才能來提到說包括剛剛有委員提到每兩年一次修法的安定性這樣的修法的成本值不值得那如果是值得我也會支持 |
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這我個人是反對的 我覺得不需要你用就兩年 我支持 四年我也支持 六年我也支持 十年我也支持這個哪一個有行政授權 給你兩年的行政授權我反對行政授權這麼大 我反對這個你要兩年 可以 四年可以 五年我都可以 |
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你要幾年我都可以你要幾年我都可以但是你來一個2.6加2這個哪裡有這樣立法的沒有你這樣立法的啦你看幾個還授權授這麼大的權利兩年後你實施了以後你還決定你要這樣子你追了五年那就五年啊你五年我也支持你你五年我也可以支持我就講白了我的案子我不堅持你要五年我就做確定 |
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主席我報告齁我報告一下 |
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這個是立法授權啦在法律裡面立法授權有很多的前例啦不是這裡獨有的啦那當然你認為說這個立法授權你不接受但是行政院的版本是這樣嘛那我們提出的修正版本是這樣那我要跟你強調這是一個立法授權那以前也有很多這樣的案例那能不能介紹一回事如果 |
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我個人是這樣看法因為他這個要達到一定的政策目的要逼這個廠商越來越節能減碳所以產品要一代一代的疊替如果你這個地方把它永久的都停掉那這個以後廠商就不用去考慮這部分了他在這方面要達到他的政策性目的就會比較減少所以我建議這樣子我們的修正版本還有別人的版本的話幾年加幾年或是一次就幾年這一種一起 |
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就像你剛剛講的 既然今天如果沒有辦法有共識的話那就保留送協商嘛好啊 我們就這樣什麼 因為十一條之一喔好 可以 你們就表達 我們就留紀錄喔 這樣好了你就不要再發言了好不好處理完還有要處理其他嗎沒有沒有 就這樣可不可以有一個讓我發表一下對其他條件我們處理完你再發表好不好 |
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因為我們十一條之一其他有的條文是放其他的條文一起所以有關於十一條 十一條之一 十二條之五十二條之六 甚至七條這個都放在裡面你沒辦法比如說我的提案裡面有十二條之五跟十一條之一放在一起我沒辦法把它分開沒辦法分割的這個就一起並不協商 |
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就這些全部保留好不好我再講一遍11條11條之112條之512條之637條因為它是混在裡面的你沒辦法抽出來抽出來它就它案子就等於切掉了不可以所以這個整個自己的案子全部這個送保留送優惠協商就這樣子好不好我們今天早上就處理這裡這樣來 那個周委好 謝謝喔 |
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其實因為主席剛剛您的宣告就是我剛剛所知道的就是一開始今天只討論11條之一但是因為電氣類的更新節能的減增的優惠散見在包括11條還有您說的11條之五跟12條之六 |
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那沒有包括12條嗎沒有包括12條那12條之五是汽機車的一個那個電動車的部分嗎好那這裡呢我謝謝主席給我這個機會因為我今天呢是另外有一個條文那個也可不可以請我們財政部這邊是不是已經了解了好 |
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我特別希望財政部能夠仔細聽因為這裡我們今天的原來要處理的貨物稅的版本當中有第八條這個廖委員的還有葉委員提出的也包含了第八條那第八條他講的是飲料品飲料品只要是設廠機制的 |
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清涼飲料品都屬汁它的稅率分成是西式果汁8%其他飲品15%那如果是純天然的就是免稅那這當中有委員主張剛剛講那兩位委員都是把它刪除直接把飲料的飲品刪除那這當中其實在上次的貨物稅的詢答當中本席也是認為飲品的貨物稅完全沒有道理 |
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完全沒有道理但是我們查回過去的貨物稅從汽車有外部效應就是外部的成本 |
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汽車輪胎也會造成道路磨損的空氣污染電器會損耗的能源然後呢還有平板玻璃跟水泥其實這兩個都有高度的排碳那如果說因為有造成社會的外部成本願意用貨物稅的方式以所謂的特種消費稅的方式讓消費者去承擔這個財政上 稅務上是可以理解的那但是呢 獨獨這個飲料 |
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它到底它的飲料品它的外部成本是什麼我完全看不到在這七項的貨物稅當中有任何的說明七項當中其他的六項有四項是提到有社會成本外部成本兩項當時沒有提只是說為了財政收入方便水泥跟平板玻璃但是飲品直接表明了就是財政上的需求 |
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這一點對於日常使用飲品的消費者要刻意特種消費稅這是不合理的但是幾次跟財政部的一個磋商之後有一個想法如果是飲品當中有添加糖這的確有整體社會的健康風險 |
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所以呢本席的修正動議如果今天來不及討論那麼我會再用一個正式修法提案的方式來提出就是將添加糖的飲料才可以獲物稅在這裡呢要請我覺得好像我們這個財政部好像對本席的提案都不很重視啊沒有你會再處理好不好因為今天我們主席處理我沒有說今天因為主席也宣布了今天不會處理其他條件但是本席第18條以修正動議的方式提出本來就是以為說 |
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這個條文在今天會處理所以我才用修正的同意那這個修正的提出呢也希望財政部回去認真的思考你們這七項貨物稅財政部認真思考了齁認真思考貨物稅把飲品喔為什麼有兩位委員主張全部刪除因為這完全不符合你特種消費稅啊特種消費稅你的目的你沒有辦法一個正當性的說明好 以上 |
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等一下好不好我跟各位報告為什麼我宣布這樣這主秘告訴我的因為民眾黨它是獲得11條之一是跟11條跟37條是綁在一起的你沒辦法切割的所以要保留就三個都要組局 |
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這是一個 再過來我們剛剛唸的11條 11條之1 12條 13條 17條就講完了然後12條之5 12條之5是李坤城委員11條之1 12條之5 12條之6這是綁在一起 所以要一起出去是李坤城委員的提案 所以我沒辦法把它切割掉 |
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然後再過來因為我只有單獨一個12條之五其實假如沒有李坤誠的我不放棄沒有關係但是因為李坤誠的是綁在一起的所以要出去我就要一起出去你不能說你出去我不出去啊這沒啥利好對不對這個也不可不可無奇怪啊這個 |
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我沒有幫你啦因為我們要處理十一條之一一定要出去嘛所以跟十一條之一如果相關的提案他是沒有辦法切割的他要出去所以我剛念的第十一十一條之一三十七條這是民眾黨的 |
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11條之一加12條之五加12條之六這是李坤城委員的12條之五翁蕾是賴思邦委員的這個都不能夠切割要一起出去才不會後此不彼還有黃靖豪他還是第11條跟第11條之一所以這個都要在一起這樣出去我剛剛念的是這樣子的好不好邏輯這樣 阿傑主席 |
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關於飲料的部分我導師建議說財政部不要撈過界了要就一次廢掉怎麼含糖不含糖你是財政部你不是衛福部那講那個 |
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說含糖飲料益生肥胖及心血管疾病這還是貴部財政部過去部長蘇建榮部長他自己說的拜託不要撈過界不要撈過界而且那個也矛盾啊你說含糖的會肥胖會心血管疾病好啦可是你手搖飲你又不增貨物稅啦你說手搖飲啊因為裡面要有固體物齁 |
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那些固體物吃了那也是那個珍珠奶茶那個更容易胖 |
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那到底財政部在管什麼呢那財政部你是不是還要另外再立一個科一個師來研究這些飲料啊對我們人民身體健康的影響然後你再去做決定嗎類似這樣的稅莫名其妙的稅好多啦好多我們等一下會談到機車的時候再談好不好我是認為要就全部 |
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不要說以黨不黨的做標準因為財政部不是衛福部其實清稅減政是大家長期想的目標財政部其實只要把一些大方向想好 |
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國家稅收都源源不絕就像去年稅收超徵5280億可是現在我們在想這錢收了那麼多你要怎麼使用應該用在需要的人身上我想我們在協商的時候就1萬塊當然還是繼續要再努力爭取 |
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就是不要浪費因為70%以上的人民大家都希望說稅收超車那麼多要還稅於民所以我還是講這個問題另外提醒財政部現在美國關稅的問題那麼嚴重你應該要多多來跟委員來溝通一下 |
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有什麼應該我們要去面對的怎麼樣來照顧中小企業我最近聽說很多的出口廠商工具機叫苦連天台幣又升值啪啪啪十幾趴難道就不會再升了嗎我看 |
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基於美國的壓力之下我們山與玉來豐滿樓未來接受的挑戰會更大所以拜託不要在飲料上面有糖無糖那種枝微末節一直討論我希望能不能多討論一些 找個時間大的方向真的 百工百業先面對未來的挑戰 叫苦連天拜託 好不好 |
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好 這個等一下題目 其他題目我們另外再討論好不好先做一個決定 今天就是請各位委員是不是可以同意我們提案條文裡面的第11條11條之1 12條之5 12條之6 37條送出財政委員會 |
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然後送到院會保留協商就這樣子好不好各位如果同意我們就通過那其他的各位要對其他的法案我們今天就不處理因為其他的法案啦這個大家差異蠻大的已經討論過一次了幾乎都沒有共識了那我們就留在財政部財政委員會我們另折集再來審那有沒有其他委員或是官員要發言的有沒有 |
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好 沒有的話我們就今天就我們宣布 請最少留三個人下來 留我三個人民進黨國民黨各一個留下來好不好 |
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通知署一種 因為他來 可能要二三十分鐘你講的那個有沒那個案子 都看不出來有一個當民調理員 人家人家很美好幹什麼 |
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因為我等一下要訪問 |
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向委員會報告我們協商已經完成厚稅條例部分條文修正草案47案的協商那麼協商完成請議事人員宣讀協商結論 |
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宣讀貨幣稅條例協商結論第十一條 第十一條之一 第十二條之五 第十二條之六 第三十七條各黨團及所有委員的提案均保留送院會協商第八條 第十二條 第十二條之一及不是 |
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第八條 第十二條 第十二條之一 第十二條之三所有委員的提案都則期在審 宣讀完畢好 謝謝就是簡單來講我再強調一遍除了剛才念的那幾條法案幾條法案十一 十一條之一 |
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十二條之五 十二條之六 三十七條這幾個案子送出去 財政委員會送出去 財政委員會到運輸會交付 運輸會協商那麼協商之前會本席先協商一次再協商不成我們再交這個運輸行業團來主持協商因為這個有實效性 有實效性所以今天一定要出去的 |
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好 那麼其他的案子呢 就留在參議會 我們折戟再審其他案子 那麼現在呢 這個各位委員對於協商結論有異議沒有異議呢 我們就 就是兩部分了一部分就送去協商 一部分就是留在參政委員會 |
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那麼本例會議作成以下決議人民取緣案7案均不稱為議案依立法院職權刑事法第67條第二項規定處理送由程序委員會報請院會審查並通知請願人請問各位委員對以上決議有異議沒有異議我們就通過那麼第三個要宣布的是 |
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有台灣民眾黨擬具的貨物稅條例第十一條十一條之一及三十七條條例修正草案委員黃仲豪黃建豪等十九人 |
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拟据活务税条例第十一条及第十一条之一之修正草案委员鲁明哲等十六人 颜宽仁等十九人委员罗廷伟等十六人委员耐斯堡等二十一人委员邱正军等二十二人委员徐庆伟等二十七人委员欧晓琳等十七人委员罗明采等十六人 |
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委員郭國文等17人委員王宏威等24人委員廖偉祥等17人委員許新宜許宇珍21人委員黃建平等16人委員林思銘等21人委員萬美玲等16人委員鍾嘉斌等18人委員洪門凱等16人委員陳慶威等16人委員 |
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楊瓊英等27人委員柯志文等16人委員廖軒翔等17人委員李元秀等17人委員賴慧媛等25人委員王美惠等18人 |
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分別凝聚活物稅條例第十一條之一修正條文修正草案等二十四案委員李坤誠等二十四人凝聚活物稅條例第十一條之一第十二條之五及第十二條之六之修正草案 |
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委員賴世保等二十七人擬拒貨物稅條例第十二條之五修正草案案賴慧芸委員等五人之修正動議案報告委員會以上都審查完畢了 |
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並按擬據審查報告提報院會討論院會討論前須交由黨團協商院會討論的時候有本席補充說明請問各位對於以上決議有異議沒有異議我們就通過那麼報告委員會有關於貨物稅條例不分條文修正草案 |
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等十九案委員岳燕姿等二十一人擬拒活物稅刪除不穩條文修正草案案委員廖先生等十六人擬拒活物稅條例刪除第八條條文修正草案案委員邱樂華等二十人擬拒活物稅第十一條條文修正草案案委員鄭天才說要看了 |
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委員林世民等15人委員涂謙吉等17人委員陳玉珍等19人委員馬文金等18人委員王世堅等19人委員張志倫等25人委員魯雲哲等16人委員翁威等19人 |
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委員楊瓊英等二十人委員邱政軍等二十四人委員萬美玲等十八人委員廖偉翔等十七人分別凝聚活務稅條例第十二條條文修正草案委員邱政軍等十九人委員羅明才等十九人委員徐玉珍等二十二人分別凝聚活務稅條例第十二條之三條文修正草案 |
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7241.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
令哲琪繼續審查留在蔡委會令哲琪繼續審查請問各位委員對以上決議有異議沒有異議我們通過要報告委員會委員會審到此休息我們明天再見還有我們有關於這個預算法整列第81條之一的條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
7242.699 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
7258.884 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
草野協商我們預定在下午一點鐘各位請各位能夠來參加就有關於稅如果達到什麼程度要發現金各位來參加我先協商協商不成再交給另外一位好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
7275.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
7278.518 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
謝謝大家 |