| IVOD_ID |
166471 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166471 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-17T10:30:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-17T10:43:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a6d7659fd659acd00f397656bacc5edfa3419a5287f8f915fbddbc901a86fecfbc5f279a864bc0545ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:30:44 - 10:43:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：審查「海關進口稅則」5案：
本院委員徐富癸等17人、委員黃健豪等22人、委員徐富癸等16人、委員陳菁徽等16人、委員林思銘等16人分別擬具「海關進口稅則部分稅則修正草案」等5案。【後1案須經各黨團簽署不復議同意書】） |
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主席再討論員先進列席的政府機關首長官員會長公共夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請莊部長請莊部長 |
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我也好部長好今天的第一前半段要稱許一下財政部的積極作為我們來看一下但是還是要先考驗一下我看到您在媒體上才這麼表達預估全年的稅收可能短增我們過去連續三年好像都有稅收都超過預期對不對但你們估計今年會少300億 |
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我们估计中央的部分是差不多400亿到500亿地方的全国是300到500因为房市低迷车市关税土增税货物税那些都有影响 |
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但是你們是在今年就是說明年的預算你們是在今年的概算四五月就編了對不對所以你們要編制下半年的預算下個年度的預算對不對所以你在今年的上半年要評估明年的稅收這樣有精準嗎 |
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沒有錯 這個當然我們在每年四五月就開始開始收集資料以及召開這個相關的專家小組的會議來做預估第二年的稅客收入的一個所以你們還是認為你們的對稅收的估算是有它的科學跟精準性的當然 我們這個部分也持續經濟各位報告 |
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我為了要問的是下一題因為你們說啤酒原料降稅有百利而無一害當然我們很希望是這樣子因為我們主張將進口的啤酒花免除進口關稅可以降低我們國產啤酒的生產成本有助於跟進口啤酒競爭對不對而且就你們報告而且你們估計稅損是大概不到7500萬但是由於 |
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我們的國產啤酒市場經驗提高我們的需求成長可以增加一億快七千萬的一億七千萬的這個收入所以綜合起來也快多了快一億是不是這樣嗎 |
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所以你们是基于这个理由我们的税市支出评估以后大概的结果是怎样我支持也希望你们的预测是准的往下看那可是呢我们过去啊在过去这一整年当中你看我们财委会做了几次的事情就是关于在六月我们就考察海关房请销房息产地我们开了两次记者会要求财政部赶快开支临时的返清销税还告诉你中国啤酒的市占率超过台湾的啤酒了是不是这样子 |
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而且最重要的原因是怎樣很多民眾以為這些來自中國的啤酒是美國的品牌或日本的品牌甚至是冒充以為是台灣國產的有沒有這樣的情況因為它在標籤上做了一些混帽那我們看到了結果財政部在首次對於中國的啤酒和鋼品我們對它進行反傾銷而且還動用了回溯條款史無前例過去財政部沒有這樣做 |
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好所以這個破例我們支持他往下看所以呢但是問題是怎樣不是只有台灣啊中國的低價傾銷全世界啊現在中國的內需疲軟之下他的高價的茅台賣不動民生的啤酒呢也賣不多但是中國的啤酒產能又過剩不只啤酒啊這些東西傾銷全國什麼鋼鐵水泥光電板服飾化工製品包括啤酒在內這是不是受到台灣目前的國內市場受到 |
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全世界都受到中國低價傾銷的影響 |
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確實有79件嘛在今年的上半年中國的低價傾銷讓全世界有79件的一個反傾銷的調查是好那我們看一下往下看所以我們來看一下在我們國內有反傾銷稅跟平衡稅對不對那這兩個辦法是不是都要業者受損的業者來提出像鋼品的部分是中鋼提出然後產業代表性的業者才能提出平衡稅原則上是這樣對沒錯那你覺得這樣會不會 |
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不夠快能夠有效的監控或及時的展開調查嗎我們關務組在受理後都會用一定的時間裡面因為在這個相關的辦法裡面都有實現的我們跟經濟部會一起來做相關的調查的我之所以今天要問這個問題不是重提往事而是我過去這將近一年來我們為了這兩件事情 鋼品跟啤酒 |
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一直在敦促要要求財政部要積極但是財政部有既定的程序要跑因為你們法規就這樣規定所以要業者提出業者還有具有代表性的提出後你們還要進行調查然後業者送資料基本上財政部的態度就是業者你送資料來我會 |
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公平公允的來處理是不是這樣是的但是我們來看一下美國怎麼做美國他可以直接由主管機關展開反傾銷稅的調查這在美國平衡稅及反傾銷稅相關規章的第一篇之第二章他就寫了說主管機關可以依據手上的資料來認為正式調查方主與確認應主動展開反傾銷稅的調查請問財政部中華民國財政部會認同或認可美國的這樣做法嗎 |
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那你認為呢在台灣我們這樣來做適不適當 |
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當然在我們中華民國的法規制度之下我們也是可以根據職權來做的你們也是有法規不動的情況你們還是可以根據職權主動調查還是要我們立法院修法你才能主動調查不需要所以說未來如果再有類似的情況發生我們要求財政部主動進行平衡稅或反傾銷稅的調查財政部可不可以拿出破例主動來進行可以嗎 |
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我想這個可能不是只是有財政部可能也要跟貨品主管機關一起來合作 經濟部等等其實這次經濟部跟你們配合的算不錯啦好 我們再往下看但是現在有一個漏洞有國民黨的立委提出一個離島自由貿易示範區陳玉珍委員提出了離島建設條例增訂第18條之一 |
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他說怎樣 他說離島的縣政府喔可以在指定的區域設立一個自由貿易區喔示範區喔 而且他管理辦法呢離島的縣政府就自治條例定制欸財政部有沒有看到這個條例啊這樣的話你們的財政部對於國家海關統進統出中華民國財政部來管理的情況就被地方政府自治條例給突破了你們有什麼看法 |
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來 署長趕快說報告委員這是由交通部主管的一個法規這是交通部主導的一個法規那我們有參與相關的會議我當然不是問你交通部啊我是問你財政部看到這樣的條例你心裡怎麼想你的反傾銷稅平衡稅你們有職權現在呢 離島建制政府可以自己提那自己提之後呢你財政部他說自由貿易啊財政部可以接受嗎 |
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當然這個自貿港區到底要不要準到設置這我財政部也沒有權可以置會沒有權可以置會會不會影響到你的財政的權利影響到你官務的自主權利會影響到來自中國的產品稀采的情況會不會有只要他設立了這個自貿港區的話我們都要配合執行 |
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所以說啊 立法院通過這個條文呢對財政部影響很大對國內業者未來面臨到來自中國的傾銷能不能提出反傾銷 反洗產地你看過去發生了一個權爭瑜伽民團啊 民間團體抗議中資惡意掏空啊我們看到台積電也是因為有一個低調科技廠被中國收購這些都有國安跟治安的問題往往下看來 |
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部長請問這兩個你知道哪一個是台灣的職棒隊的LOGO嗎哪一個是這是什麼這是兄弟像對不對中信兄弟啊中信兄弟像對不對對啊前不久鬧雙胞嘛有個上海兄弟單單為了這個台灣的窮民快氣炸了職棒是台灣非常重要國人非常重要的一個競爭象徵結果呢你看 |
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中國啤酒他用台灣的在地文化來混沖中國啤酒他跟日本美國的知名品牌合作然後呢另外創了一個品牌讓台灣的消費者以為這是該日本跟美國的品牌有沒有這樣的情況 |
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所以說如果未來金門的酒廠他叫台灣金酒他跟中國中資合作然後呢以後從跟中資合作的公司出的酒也叫做金酒來自於中國的酒來到金門之後掛成另外一個像兄弟的這樣logo他就說這是金門酒廠出品的財政部你要怎麼因應有沒有想過這個問題 |
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這個部分就如同剛剛那個啤酒一樣其實是我們應該要特別注意你管得到金酒公司嗎金酒公司你可以管得到嗎金酒公司它如果是屬於酒類的主管機關那當然金酒主管機關的是在財政部那你可以管到金酒公司那它事業的主管機關是在金門中資要跟金酒公司合資成另外一個公司就像上海兄弟一樣你管得到嗎那個是公司法裡面對你管不到嘛那它這個合資公司 |
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金酒公司跟中國資本合作的公司掛金酒出來的產品妳管得到嗎妳可以說它洗產地嗎妳知道是中國生產的酒要跟它課稅嗎 |
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这个部分可能要特别注意一下我要请你特别的想一想这个非常的严重这个状况已经潜在了所以我们看到的中国啤酒大量的用其他混冒美日的知名品牌或者混冲台湾的产地让台湾消费者误导未来就算自贸区那个条例没有通过有可能金酒公司跟中国合资后成立一个品牌挂着金门酒厂的名字从中国产品直接拿到台湾来 |
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你有辦法對他進行反請要的調查嗎是啊 就像我們現在對付中國啤酒那兩支品牌一樣啊有沒有辦法 部長你可能一時想不起來我告訴你 時間的關係問一下過去考一下 一般我們去銀行提款辦業務是不是叫你要口罩跟安全帽拿下來 |
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進銀行之前是不是口罩安全帽要拿下來我們那個櫃員會盡量你知道我在問什麼如果到銀行我們安全帽跟口罩要拿下來怕你搶銀行嘛那我們為了怕有人去ATM搞詐欺詐騙要求他把安全帽跟口罩拿下來可不可以 |
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ATM的部分ATM我們其實有注意到這個我們的公共銀行都注意到這個部分我們在會議上有討論到這個部分那做出了決定沒必須要在ATM裡面上面要加強一個相關的一個知識那你們有沒有辦法做到什麼時候可以做到另外有一個就是說就我所知就是說它可以延緩就是說但是它不會不讓你領錢你戴著帽子口罩但是它會出現一個警示 |
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會出現一些警示我希望你們落實如果進銀行要除掉安全帽跟口罩希望ATM如果你戴著安全帽和口罩要有效的讓他處以辨識他的容貌才可以進行後續的動作可以演繹嗎 |
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這個部分我想金管會已經邀集相關機關在討論我們會配合這個政策的一個方向因為你們工股行庫要率先做啊為什麼問你 我當然知道金管會業務你們工股行庫可不可以率先做是 我們會配合金管會的一個政策方向來 最後的結論 因為主席站起來了請盤點我國比照美國各目的事業主管機關主動申請反傾銷罪的調查的可行性一個月提出書面報告 可以嗎 |
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委員可不可以兩個月 好 兩個月每次都一個月 我們同仁都要加班好 兩個月 那請惠童今晚會禁訴限制配戴安全帽跟口罩的人操作ATM 可以嗎好的 我們可以配合今晚會一起來做那最後 我剛剛講到的金門酒廠有沒有可能出現由中國啤酒洗產地的方式將中國的烈酒這個量能過剩的烈酒請交到台灣來是不是嫌你們嚴義好的 對委員就提 謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝鍾嘉賓委員 |