| IVOD_ID |
166467 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166467 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-17T10:06:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-17T10:19:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:12 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a6d7659fd659acd0e4686004fc64cc75a3419a5287f8f915fbddbc901a86fecfeebc5b1f2304e56a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴惠員 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:06:11 - 10:19:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：審查「海關進口稅則」5案：
本院委員徐富癸等17人、委員黃健豪等22人、委員徐富癸等16人、委員陳菁徽等16人、委員林思銘等16人分別擬具「海關進口稅則部分稅則修正草案」等5案。【後1案須經各黨團簽署不復議同意書】） |
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我想今天我們要面對就是不公平的一個貿易的傾銷的一個險境下我們怎麼樣保護住本土的釀酒產業的命脈 |
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那在這裡我想跟你探討一下就是說如果我請教你就是說這個我們的啤酒花跟那個中麥芽那到底一年進口多少的數量那這一個關稅是多少然後你的稅損是多少 |
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麥芽它的進口平均每一年的進口量是41958萬公噸那大概關稅稅收是6700萬至於啤酒花的話每年平均大概進口量是127公噸關稅收入是393萬 |
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所以如果就是說你降低關稅的話你的稅損會是多少這兩樣 |
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有没有算过有算过如果我们降低关税的话就关税的税收损失大概是7435万但是因为降税以后呢我们认为可以提升我们国产啤酒市场的竞争力让我们的啤酒的需求可以增加所以认为预估可以增加的税收是16974万 |
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所以扣就是增加扣掉一來一去的話一來一去的話事實上是可以增加9539萬的還是可以淨收益的還可以淨收益9000多萬目前的稅收的評估是這樣謝謝委員 |
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好那事實上就是說財政部雖然祭出了還請銷稅但可是這個數字會說話為什麼就是進口的這個啤酒進口量不減緩增這個是不是這個事實是不是告訴我們說你的還請銷其實是沒有用的你看喔我們現在就是截至這個114年到10月底為止我們進口的啤酒 |
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就講這個中國大陸它是64%那台灣我們自己的就是市產額的這個佔有率才36%那顯然你的還請敲碎是沒有用的 |
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所以部長有沒有想到一個更好的方式就是說我把它計較在就是降低成本的顏料來支持在地的產業以及檢視目前國內的農產品的一個培育計畫那我不知道就是說你對於國產品啤酒面臨的在死亡交叉跟進口的死亡交叉你的還請銷稅有沒有要再做什麼樣的一個補充 |
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跟委員報告 謝謝委員的提示從您這張做的表裡面你看中國大陸裡面進口的啤酒佔比佔了64% 相當的高我們從開始課徵反請銷稅從7月開始課徵臨時反請銷稅以及回溯課徵以後它的進口量事實上已經在縮減可以看到這個部分課徵反請銷稅的一個效益 |
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那這樣是不是 我們可以請關務署跟您說明一下我們開始課增反請銷稅以後它的進口量減少情形 讓委員可以知道 7月3號我們開始課臨時反請銷稅那已經大幅減少在7月到11月我們統計已經減少85%的一個進口量 |
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減少85%的進口量那顯然就是跟六月相比就用六月相比那會不會只是一個階段性所以顯然如果這樣子的話差別是這麼大的話那你的還請消費這個政策就是成功的 |
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當然如同委員說的他可能有季節性的一個因素但是我們11月27號已經公告了這個啤酒稅反警消稅已經確定了會課到31% 19%甚至到51%左右那我們會看後續的一個效果另外我們也有回溯課徵11月27號反警消稅公告也 |
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有回溯課程會回溯到4月4號顯然顯然這一個如果我們從那個市場的那個數據上來看的話我們的還請銷是有效的今天特別要跟就是部長跟所有各位就是做一個就是台灣的精釀精釀啤酒尤其是台灣的農作物高質化成功的一個典換那個部長你知道這一瓶酒叫做桂花他是用桂花釀的 |
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這一瓶酒叫做米魯它是用我們貨幣最好的最好的百米去量的所以我們其實都看到了台灣精量的啤酒的一個市場那顯然 顯然就是說在降低顏料的成本跟支持在地的一個研發是可以幫台灣就是我們的台灣啤酒 |
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另外再殺出重圍那我在這裡要特別跟那個部長做一個探討如果那個我們鼓勵青年返鄉穿越在鼓勵農產子的一個加值的話是不是應該就是對於這一些這一些在地在地因為農業本來就免稅可是你進到了這一個精量廠的時候有沒有辦法幫他們免稅 |
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今天這個提案裡面有關啤酒花跟麥芽這個部分委員提案都建議關稅調降為零這個部分財政部立場認為是說因為可以降低關稅的負擔就可以降低我們國產啤酒的生產成本 |
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那提高他的競爭力跟市占率我們認為他可以這樣子更好可以跟進口的啤酒來競爭而且我們也徵詢過農業部農糧署的意見對於國內的相關的農業產業並沒有影響所以在這個部分對於委員提案的有關降低關稅的部分財政部基本上是支持的也就是委員也提到就是說降低他們的一個生產成本讓他更有競爭力然後市占率可以提高以上 |
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我在針對的這個副署長我再請教你那個農糧署副署長我再請教你一下就是說在未來是不是有相對應的一個配套的一個措施我們知道就是說這個啤酒花那個就是啤酒花已經在花蓮的農改廠已經開始試種了試種的效果也非常好那就是說本土的啤酒花如果就是可以有一個規模的一個產量的話 |
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那就是把這個面積擴大還有加上補貼的話是不是有辦法就是說把這個農業的培育計畫跟產業的轉型就是把它就是做一個很大的提升有沒有機會你們有沒有這樣的一個氣魄那委員有講到因為大麥跟啤酒花這兩項都是溫帶作物那目前在國內他沒有一個 |
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經濟的栽培規模所以對進口關稅調降的部分農業部農糧署是沒有意見那委員有講到我現在在問你就是說你的啤酒花是不是就是在花蓮農改廠已經試種成功了嘛那你可以擴大這個面積嗎這個部分農業部農糧署跟花蓮區農業改良廠他們在花蓮的玉林那邊你有沒有這樣的一個計畫啦 |
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它已經有市中的災培那你要補貼嘛那是走特色化的部分我們會就本土的災培跟市中特色的部分也會加以輔導所以你的面積要擴大嘛我們會加以輔導加以輔導那是面積要不要擴大我們會看災培市中的情況來做輔導推廣 |
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所以你現在站在這邊你也還是還在規劃中啊我想你提出計劃來好不好好這個我們會來規劃顯然現在我聽一聽好像也沒有看到一個比較特別因為這個本來就是已經就是培育成功了你當然要擴大面積啊不然你怎麼讓他減稅呢那你怎麼扶持國內的那個啤酒產業呢 |
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我們會來規劃因為這個部分花蓮去農改廠在花蓮已經有示眾我們會來看示眾的情況再做推廣再接著我想再請教一下財政部長就是說有一則外媒的廣告就是美國關稅的豁免到底是善意還是一個漏洞 |
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我們要謹慎就是說川普川普他是不是會鎖定台灣的一個半導體那他這裡頭講到了一個說美國自台灣進口的商品只有23%是被徵收緊急的關稅然後 |
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在42%的商品裡頭獲得豁免的關稅那另外35%是試用就是貿易擴張那個貿易擴張法的第232條那部長我在這裡要請教目前我們有沒有盤點哪一些商品是被課稅的又有哪一些商品是被豁免的就你所知 |
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有關台美關稅的相關的談判目前行政院的談判的代表都還在持續的沒有錯我想他們這個部分如果有最後的結果一定會跟社會來做報告這些被課稅的到底是哪些產業 |
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你不可能都完全不知道那課稅的當然目前來說台灣輸美的部分就是所用暫時關稅是20%也就是N加20%這樣的來課稅也就是這樣有一些也是0%的譬如說像晶片的話我們的集體電路這些都是進口關稅因為是用232條款目前來說在赴美的條款關稅稅率還是0 |
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那到底有42%的商品是获得豁免的关税吗这个有没有包括就是我们的半导体这42%有没有包括我们的半导体我想这个部分都还在目前谈判的当中那当然试用232条款的部分当然还是目前来说还是维持试用232条款如果试用在232的话它就有35%的商品那试用在232的话又是哪些商品 |
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部長可以跟我們說明一下嗎這個部分可能相關的細節蠻多的232條款適用的商品來232適用的那個商品可以誰回答我我們看一下我們手邊的資料 |
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你們怎麼不會就是說我們就是備詢的時候才特別去關心到232到底是哪些商品財政部232的部分有鋼鋁 汽車還有一些汽車的一些配件還有一些木製品 銅製品等等大概應該將近有10項左右 |
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708.456 |
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736.212 |
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是啊所以說這些商品的話事實上就是說其實都是非常多的就是說等於是你可以告訴大家這個是一個利多他們是不會被課到稅的是不是這樣子我可以不可以這樣講232的條款跟這次的對等關稅是不一樣課232的就不會課對等關稅所以232能不能獲得豁免那可能還是要雙邊談判 |
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757.378 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
232已經是會被豁免的那個貿易擴這個應該是很清楚了你再這樣贏了為大家又引起市場的恐慌你這樣回答的話是不是所以部長我想就是說所以我們回答得非常謹慎 |
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所以這有關台美關稅團你們就是非常的謹慎過度的謹慎每一次都引發市場的一個緊張當然就是說我想就是針對的半導體如果未來有進行到課稅的話財政部你要如何因應那我想提供一些那個就是你們的那個因應的資料跟本席在這裡我這樣子跟就是財政部要這些資料好不好 |
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