| IVOD_ID |
166464 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166464 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-17T09:45:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-17T10:00:51+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a6d7659fd659acd0c407e7bc6bd48a0284d4c72640307d48fbddbc901a86fecfa58ef45d272994b75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡其昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:45:59 - 10:00:51 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部、農業部及海洋委員會就「郵輪觀光、遊艇觀光暨藍色公路辦理情形及未來規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查(一)委員羅美玲等18人擬具「商港法第二條條文修正草案」案、(二)委員魯明哲等16人擬具「商港法第三十六條、第六十五條及第七十一條條文修正草案」案及(三)委員林岱樺等18人擬具「商港法第五十三條條文修正草案」案。
三、審查委員黃健豪等19人擬具「民用航空法第一百十九條之一條文修正草案」案。
四、審查(一)委員陳培瑜等18人擬具「大眾運輸工具播音語言平等保障法第四條及第六條條文修正草案」案及(二)委員陳雪生等26人擬具「大眾運輸工具播音語言平等保障法第六條條文修正草案」案。
【本次會議僅進行詢答】
【12月17日及18日二天一次會】） |
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來發言謝謝主席請林次長次長航港局葉局長葉局長然後民用航空局的何局長何局長周董事長周董事長委員長好 大家一起上來好了免得等一下節省時間 |
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今天我們就首先先來持續關心這個清泉崗台中國際機場的這個航線的問題那個局長我想你知道嘛我每次看到你都在討論台中到底接下來可以再增加哪些航線航點那局長明年啊這個明年啊 |
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過去我們一直在談 關西好不容易我們爭取到了新與非的神戶那關東的部分 東京本席一直在期待也一直在要求 也一直在爭取那何局長 明年你覺得東京怎麼樣跟委員報告 謝謝委員關心 |
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那我想台中有關東京的部分明年初的話是會先有一個宮古島然後明年的夏季板表的話我們會讓他盡量是不是就朝向這個東京的部分好 所以星宇飛機沒有問題啦 |
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因為我也知道我也跟星雲航空拜託過他們也覺得運量沒有問題但現在是日防對於相關落地的作業他們人力不足啦等等其他的因素這個民洋局可以協助來溝通嗎 |
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這個部分我們在都一直會透過持續管道業者有去申請的部分我們會透過我們的管道再跟日方來表達這個我想一定要民防局來協助業者本席溝通他們很有意願非東京的部分他們很有意願 |
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那所以時間點不可能在不可能在這個3月之前不可能吧夏季班表不可能在3月之前不可能 跟委員報告因為我們國際線都分冬季班表跟夏季班表那冬季班表就是10月份到明年的3月沒有錯沒有錯夏季班表就3月以後如果可行更好啦因為 |
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三月的棒球經典賽在東京舉行所以更多的鄉親遊客都很希望有便捷的航空運輸可以來搭乘不過我也知道接下來我們就要靠夏季班表所以一定過了經典賽的時間本席看了一下新宇航空在台中各個航線的載客率 |
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我看一下澳門80 神戶88 沖繩89然後富國島82 高松74這個最糟糕也有74所以可見台中這個需求量很高所以我還是覺得說有時候不是民意代表大家不斷地去爭取一些讓航空公司會虧錢 |
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我覺得邏輯不應該是這個樣子在民航局思考或者航空公司思考這些航線的時候應該要考量它實際的這個市場的這個需求像台中幾乎你看這個除了高中那四國是相對比較日本是鄉下一點那你看主要以神戶來講都接近九成都接近九成的這個載客率所以這個對 |
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對整體的運輸來講 運量來講它需求存在嘛所以本席會一直期待為什麼台中因為你明明有市場但不要因為這個政策或者其他的問題去耽擱了嘛那本席 那個市場那個過去我們這個在疫情前這個華信航空 |
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在台中很多这个过去本席还为了让华信航空留在台中作为他的母基地我们还做了很多的努力包括兴建很多硬体的设施但是疫情后华信航空因为飞机数量不足所以就明显的几乎可以说退出了台中的市场让我们大家都觉得很可惜 |
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那我知道明年這個華航要交付兩台噴射客機給華信所以明年華信又有兩台新的噴射客機那可不可以本席爭取至少一台可以從台中來飛其他的新的這個新增的新的航線可以嗎 |
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华信前一阵子因为飞机数比较不够您了解那华昂也确实答应有两架应该是320等级的飞机会来提供给华信来服务所以我们会请华信来评估它目前的运能状况来安排 |
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市場是一定有啦就我從數據嘛這個是今年一到十月的數據從數據來看台中的需求明明就存在但是我希望說像華信這種都是國家交通部在裡面有相當的主導的權利那有市場但不要在政策不要去干預啦 |
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希望政策應該不是不要干預政策應該是要支持這明明台中就有市場為什麼不把華信航空讓他去飛台中華信可以賺錢台中中部地區的旅客可以得到這個便捷的交通但是大家都贏嘛 |
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所以我知道高雄最近增很多啦但是台中的市場明明就有需求存在所以本席這個強烈主張跟建議這個新的華信航空應該有一輛應該至少回復疫情前就算兩樣都給台中都還回復不了疫情前 |
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那本席認為最少應該有一輛要留在台中有一台飛機要留在台中去做這個運輸的工作好不好你們趕快請這個華信跟華航做一個妥善的評估啦因為台中真的我們很需要啦很需要所以拜託一下那另外這個我想請問這個董事長本席上一次在質詢台上有問過我們這個 |
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這個海線地區的鄉親對於大型量販店的這個需求其實盼望殷切那上一次你們也告訴本席說有大型量販店正在評估而且有相當的興趣 |
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那我看最近台中市政府又宣布大型量販店要捨棄台中港要放在那個大家會覺得會癱瘓台灣大道的那個東海大學對面的那個台中經濟的舊廠子那本席不知道這兩個的你們市政府講的跟 |
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港務公司本席爭取你們回答我的是不是同一家大型量反正大型量很多嘛我不知道是不是同一家市政府公布的是好事多嘛那你們上一次回答本席說有本席爭取的你們已經有一個眉目了那是不是同一家 |
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跟委員報告因為市府那個部分我們沒有跟他特別去確認啦那但是確實我們承諾委員的部分也確實是這一家這一家是其中之一也是好事多是之一還是因為我們是要招商迎客那 |
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我上任之後也特別寫了信給總部的CEO希望能夠他們能夠看重台灣然後看重我們台中港然後我們這邊其實未來的捷運站跟我們的山景奧類可以做一些串接是特別特別有表達所以董事長我的意思就是說這個是定案了嗎以好事多因為大型量亂很多以好事多而言好事多是已經決定 |
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呃不要在台中港要在東海大學對面那個台灣大道沒有沒有沒有也沒有目前沒有好所以我們還是台中港還是有機會是是那董事長本席要再一次拜託是這個你一定要積極去爭取是是條件啊以台中市你看這個市民的反應而言條件台中港絕對比台灣大道那裡好 |
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不是那個地方不好那個地方剛好在山坡半山腰嘛但是它在台灣大道的旁邊台灣大道已經是台中人的噩夢了因為塞車的狀況很嚴重所以你又把它大型廟室又設在那裡這個本席認為並不是太妥當的地點所以台中港路大條都可以來做好不好非常有潛力的這個再麻煩你一下最後一個其實很重要但因為時間已經到了但本席還是提一下 |
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這個 來 我們看一下 這個這個是在社群平台上面發生的飛機上面 行動電源我已經問過很多次了行動電源爆炸燃燒在飛機上面空服員要拿水去澆鋰電池然後呢 幸好市組機警阻止空服員市長跟局長鋰電池爆炸燒起來了應該要怎麼滅火 |
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包圍這個航空業對這個很敏感基本上鋰電池或充電電池要用要泡在水桶裡面或者是用防火毯包住以後再放在固定的箱子裡面才可以不能用水去攪也滅不掉所以這個我們有要求航空公司要特別注意也要準 |
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所以市長你的意思是說當飛機上面鋰電池燒起來了這時候旅客不應該拿水先給它滅不應該不是正確的處理方式你覺得正確要怎麼處理應該拿防火毯或是相關的避免被燒傷的東西然後準備一個水桶泡到水桶裡面去所以我們的所有交通部的載具裡面高鐵 台鐵 |
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所有的飛機上面都有水桶嗎包委員我們目前都有要求至少要備防火毯那水桶的話飛機上是有的我看了一下你們這個國際冥想組織你們把它翻譯成中文你們這個國際冥想組織說飛機上行動電源的滅火關鍵是水是水啦 |
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但是是要整個泡進去所以也沒有防火毯所以到底是要怎麼滅這個行動因為現在行動電源太多了大家隨身攜帶都是帶行動電源那再來它燒起來之後你是要用手去拿還是要準備防火的手套然後把行動電源放到水裡面我的意思就是說為什麼這個問題很嚴重但時間因為到了這個邏輯上你們應該第一個 |
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滅火的知識是什麼就是到底水澆可不可以因為我看了一下相關的報導有一派是說先用大量的水去澆然後接著用防火的手套去把它拿起來丟到水桶裡面去這個是我現在看到國際上有一些報告它的程序是這個樣子 |
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那現在呢就他們不覺得防火毯是有效的然後第二個他不覺得說他不會覺得說用水澆是不對的他是認為說水澆再撿起來丟到水桶他需要用大量的水來冷卻因為他不是靠氧他是化學反應沒錯所以基本上是降溫泡在裡面第一個時間水燒起來的時候我現在還沒有水桶什麼都沒有我先用水澆可不可以 |
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我請局長說明一下來 局長說一下跟委員報告其實這一些空服組員都有授訓就是說他們會有一個授訓的機制基本上立刻發生的時候他會戴防火手套如果可以是直接他的水桶他會把飛機上所有可能的水咖啡 不能是酒所有的水放在一個不會有人倒酒 對 |
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鋼頭裡面然後那個防火手套直接把鋰電池直接丟到水裡面去讓它完全降水局長我的意思是說我們先分幾個層次第一個你的SOP要讓所有的人知道這個就跟打炸宣導是一樣的因為就過去我們在做消防宣導也是告訴他要怎麼滅火有滅火器要怎麼弄還要消防演練但是鋰電池現在是大家就行動電源是大家現在隨身攜帶的 |
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那我們怎麼滅行動電源我的意思是說透過社群平台來看大家說法並不一致啦有的人說水澆可以有的人說水不可以澆要直接丟到水桶裡面因為降溫有的人他意思是說我先水澆嘛讓它降溫然後我接著丟到水桶裡面那到底水澆可不可以我的意思是說這個就是SOP嘛你不把這個事情處理好你怎麼大家怎麼會知道 |
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說法大家都不一樣嘛第二個層次就是那你們準備好了沒有我們所有的交通運輸的載具上面是不是都已經有了水桶譬如說好台鐵公司有水桶嗎他們的火車上面有水桶嗎有防火手套嗎或者有夾子嗎因為你那個電源在燃燒你怎麼用甚至用手去有的還不知道怎麼去拿咧要不要用夾子所以我的意思是要問你說台鐵上面高鐵上面都已經準備好這些東西了嗎 |
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我想我們重新再把SOP定清楚再要求一次昨天我已經要求陶基那邊他們有一個手提式的這個有點類似AED就是裡面有防火毯有必要的夾子跟相關的SOP |
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我想我們來強化一下有必要每個航站跟車測度這個常常會發生本席會希望說是不是你三個月內把SOP弄好然後把設備做一定程度的採購然後接下來你的消防你的滅火演練要馬上開始著手進行然後同時宣導告訴所有的旅客如果發生了這些行動電源著火爆炸他要怎麼處理是 謝謝委員應該的謝謝 |