| IVOD_ID |
166456 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166456 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-17T09:28:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-17T09:41:12+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a6d7659fd659acd09a21284c98bd3134a3419a5287f8f915704993c5309c567d27a1751fd121cdf95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳秉叡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:28:41 - 09:41:12 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：審查「海關進口稅則」5案：
本院委員徐富癸等17人、委員黃健豪等22人、委員徐富癸等16人、委員陳菁徽等16人、委員林思銘等16人分別擬具「海關進口稅則部分稅則修正草案」等5案。【後1案須經各黨團簽署不復議同意書】） |
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請吳秉瑞委員質詢主席麻煩請財政部莊部長請莊部長委員好莊部長本年度114年度截至目前為止11月底的稅收狀況是什麼樣子 |
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跟委員報告截至11月底的中央中央的稅收達成率是達成預算的達成率是94.6%那我們的時增數到11月為止比去年同期的時增數事實上是增加了539億那分配數是94.2嘛時增數是94.6嘛所以11月底的時候時增數還超過分配數的比例嘛 |
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所以应该如果12月没有什么意外的话应该也是会达到整个100%的这个税收的比例啊 |
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目前來說我們的估計是用過去三年的12月份它的時增數的一個平均數抓一個高跟低之間但事實上要超過會不會超過預算數我們覺得是有挑戰的所以我們認為目前來說大概達成率大概到98%到99%之間你這個算法怎麼會對呢11月底的分配數是94.2 |
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就代表原來的分配數是12月是要收5.8%嘛那你的時增數已經94.6也就是說你12月的時候是要收到5.2%所以你到11月底還超標結果你跟我講12月底你認為只會到98 99那你意思說你12月會短收很多囉 |
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我們的分配數達成率是以分配數達成率是98.3不是啦我剛剛問你到11月底11月底的分配數是94.2對不對原報告中央政府的部分達成的分配預算數的比例是98.3%在全年的預算數達成是94.6 |
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對啊你那講的是實質的收到的數目我跟你說你到11月尾底分配數是94.2%94.2%這個是數字是你們提供的嘛分配數但是你們的達成數是94.6%也就是說你們超過了0.4%表現很好啊 |
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委員我不知道我們提供的是根據這邊的統計達到分配預算數的比就分配是到11月的分配數是98.3但全年度達成率是94.6對啊就11月底你們的達成數是94.6啊我沒有說錯啊問題是你們的分配數是94.2啊那分配數94.2達成94.6 |
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還是說你們是分配數的94.6那個署長你幫幫部長回答一下吧 |
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報告委員是這樣我們先講時增數就是我們先講我們原來分配到11月底的預算數到全年的比例原來該拿到的是98.9%98.9%但我們現在時增數佔整個累計我們的預算數分配比例只有到94.2%我是在跟你先問11月底啦對我現在都是講11月底你給我們的數字是到11月底分配數是94.2%時增數是94.6% |
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那是中央數跟全國數剛才委員您講的那個94.2是全國數94.6是中央數不是指那個預算數佔整個累積預算數的點那再問一個問題就是說因為今年你們有一個特殊的政策就是因為台灣跟美國在貿易談判所以你們那個佔繳稅款的部分你可以分期嗎還是那個應繳的稅款可以分期 |
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那個到底會影響多少你們估過嗎目前我們現在統計的數字大概600因為我們統計有點落後現在是616億左右包括專稅跟地方稅那個如果加進來是不是今年一樣114年度的總稅收也是會到達百分之百但是他會陸續會回收因為他是分期繳納我知道啦他會陸續回收我們對話其實在同一個平台上我們不要這樣我的意思是說今年 |
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如果把這個暫時讓人家先不用繳的這一部分將來可以回收部分也算進來今年的實收數事實上也是會到達百分之百嘛是不是好謝謝來我們再請部長繼續請部長部長那今年因為到現在12月中了剩下兩個禮拜這個會期法定會期結束到現在總預算還沒有付尾對不對是的 |
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那總預算還沒有付也就是沒有審查那沒有審查會造成什麼影響到目前沒有審查會讓我們的在施政上會有一些摯愛為什麼因為明年度的稅出預算都會受到限制那第一個不能超過114年的實際執行數那有一些新興計畫也沒有辦法執行 |
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好 那我現在問一個問題剛剛前一個委員關鍵那個統籌分配稅款統籌分配稅款雖然是照公司分配但是是不是也納入我們收入的全部 |
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統籌分配稅款在中央政府部分因為我們在編列中央政府稅客收入的時候就把中央統籌分配稅款就切出去了並沒有在我們的稅客收入裡面所以不用進入本院審查就沒有在因為就按照那個財化法裡面的稅收的比例去把它劃到地方的稅客收入裡面去那現在我已經我自己也亂掉了你財化法現在這麼多的版本 |
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有之前的版本修正了第一版修正了第二版那現在第三版行政院說他現在不附屬嘛對不對所以不附屬照憲法的規定暫時還沒有生效率所以就是如以前一版而言那個統籌分配稅款現在你估計可以分給地方政府的金額有多少明年啊估計數這當然是估計數了 |
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以8840億8840億所以如果就是說我們這邊預算不省這8840億也是會撥下去的對 它就進入地方的稅客收入裡面去但是因為你那個最新就是在生肖前最後一個版本它對於那個統籌分配稅款的來源它有一些來源別的這個更改譬如說你的營業稅的部分是多少比例分給地方跟你以前比起來差別多少 |
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它是扣掉這個基增成本以及統一發票獎金以後全部都給地方那以前是給多少以前是40%那現在等於他們會多拿50%幾嘛對不對因為你的基增跟這個統一發票的成本也沒有多少嘛那個大概會佔幾%大概1.5% |
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那所以就是他們會拿到等於會拿到58.5%地方政府會多拿到58.5%的這個營業稅那這一部分的營業稅的總金額大概會占多少跟委員報告我們以114年度中央政府我們的營業稅的編列的稅率是3830億但是我們在115年根據新的財化法的話我們只有296億的營業稅的稅可收入 |
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地方政府會等於是你估計會增加多少他在這個部分的金額比去年比今年115年比114年就增加了3534億好那現在假設我們預算沒有審查因為我看起來是不會審的那沒有審查這3000這增加了3000多億跟連以前那3000多億總共8000多億一樣是撥給地方政府就是統籌分配稅款的這部分 |
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中央統籌分配稅款在今年115年明年是達到了8874億那這個部分已經進入地方政府的稅客收入裡面去 劃歸去了對 但是由中央徵收只是我們徵收完之後是要撥給地方政府這個沒有經過我們的這個年度中央的總預算啦 |
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沒有在裡面如果這樣少了這些的話中央的總預算你們估計會少多少就是稅客收入的部分營業稅這50幾%也撥給地方之後光這一部分中央的稅會少多少3038億也就是說114年度中央的稅收 |
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可以算中央的本來是兩兆七千多億光課稅的部分那少了這三千多億中央就馬上少了兩兆四千多億就成為兩兆四千八百零七億所以你今年的這個預算收入 |
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雖然沒有審查但送到本院來的已經照這樣子編列了是不是目前的總預算是這樣編列的那所以你今年明年度的這個稅科收入這個編列的總數跟今年度是差多少就是差3038億所以你是估計明年都沒有成長跟今年比起來明年都沒有成長沒有啊你看中央統籌分配稅款不是啦我是說這3000多億這部分就已經先劃掉不要再算的話剩下的部分中央的稅收有沒有增加 |
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是有增加的增加在哪一部分加在稅目裡面包含所得稅是有增加7%增加的還有就是遺證稅我們略微編有增加其他像遺證稅還有都減少的只有所得稅有增加7%所以 |
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也就是說今年度114年度的中央的稅客收入跟明年度現在送到立法院來還沒有審查的這個115年度的會計年度的這個中央稅客收入差距是多少差短少了多少錢 |
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10增數跟預估數因為你115年就還沒有增啊你怎麼會知道10增數那就差到了差不多也是3000多億啊 超過3000億啊3000多億問題是中央哪一部分的支出可以可以受升啊不然這3000多億是不是都要舉債啊對 所以我們115年度總預算編列的舉債數2992億你的稅出又縮減了哪一些部分 |
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稅出的部分 當然是由主計總署這邊來做指引我知道喔 當然今天不在所以我請妳一併回答 妳知道嗎主要是說少 減少了哪一些部分 |
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中央的部分的施政其實有很多都是有重要那我們其實以財政部來說也是有縮減我們的稅出的部分因為有一些計畫完成我們就沒有在做編排所以照理來講錢多這麼多你應該事權要分配啊那地方政府多做哪一些事中央政府哪一些事少做所以我們的錢可以減少這部分是不是應該爬梳離親啊當然是 是的 |
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所以你們最近工作很多雖然沒有省預算這部分的工作好像省起來了但是其他要整理的事情很多我跟你說地方政府的尤其是地方議會的議員跟我反映他們現在在地方他們認為他們預算都省假的因為到底他們會拿到多少錢什麼東西他們都不清楚所以好像在開玩笑一樣有的甚至還說那我就只要是先編然後不能來的我就先舉借 |
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等等 弄成一團糟啦從上到下全部都一團糟啦這也就是說在財化法修正的時候完全沒有討論事權而只是討論到錢要怎麼樣劃出去但事權沒有並同討論所以造成這樣的一個現象好 謝謝喔那妳工作人員多加油喔 謝謝不要說沒有預算了那就不用做事光領薪水啦這不行的 這個跟國際民生都有關係好 謝謝吳秉瑞委員接下來請 |