| IVOD_ID |
16645 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16645 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第10次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第10次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-06T08:30:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-06T17:52:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
09:21:32 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a609daaa801c798e0d65313f24779fd214cf14bfadd538e1bbbf32f1d9e0a84c1acf5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第10次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、5月2日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、5月6日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:30:28 - 17:52:00 |
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法院會現在繼續開會對行政院院長施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢今天繼續進行交通組織質詢請陳委員超明質詢喂 |
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首先有請卓院長請卓院長備詢卓院長早 卓院長好4月25日經濟指導總執行 |
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我有問你,脫中入美,你講要面向平壤,要背對著台灣海峽, |
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要告訴中國政府我們不走回頭路我們不走冤枉路我們不走臭的路再來你說要把台北城當為首都那時你回答不置可恍我再請教一下這個是不是要準備台灣獨立的一個宣告尤其從你昨天場裡面講出來的顯示特別重要你是不是在鋪陳這個 |
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台北當然是中華民國台灣的首都這個沒有錯第二點我們的市場 |
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看中國看太久我們必須轉向面向海洋走向世界你等於意思要跟中國所有的包括經濟交流要斷絕來往的意思在我們的經濟要走向全世界不能太依賴一個國家這裡面牽涉到我第二個問題也比較現代化的問題今天有很多報紙說賴總統五二年就職一週年 |
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我們的內閣要換成戰鬥內閣要找會有論事的官員準備為大罷免啟動那大內閣會不會換你都覺得前面這一段我們的內閣是在每個自己的工作崗位上 |
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去做競爭的你現在的內閣叫做什麼內閣告訴我才曉得行動創新內閣我們是以行動來現在以後戰鬥內閣跟你現在的內閣有什麼差別哪一個跟你現在的內閣未來報紙在寫說你們要組成戰鬥內閣準備要大連案好好的執政黨要發威一下要把在野黨的國會議員全部殲滅掉 |
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我可以跟你說一件事 我也覺得很奇怪 |
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在這裡面有幾個70歲以上的國會的立法委員身兼百戰每一個人都當過6、7、8屆的一個立法委員我講是好壞 今天要來罷免你們罷免就要硬到這樣嘛所以我說你們真的要檢討一下要怎麼做前幾個一年 新的才有這麼多新的一年沒有必要做 協調溝通很重要 |
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針對每一位委員經由選舉而且是憲法賦予的權利行政院當然尊重所以我是希望說我們在這裡行政院的業務跟這裡打拳從來不涉及所謂罷免的議題你尊重也沒有中立的立場你還上台去演講講的是中央政府總預算跟關稅的問題我要回到主題好不好今天的交通執行我們的陳部長麻煩你也來一下 |
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我第一個 我說苗栗的牧利值得中央支持我常常要講這個問題我們95年到112年苗栗為中央竄稅4147億中央給我們補資才2022億我們苗栗縣倒退給中央是2120億 |
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加育縣跟屏東縣都是三級縣市的財政他們95年加育縣963億中央補賦給他2430億他們給他一村西班牙才幾億屏東縣2627億交給中央中央補賦給他3589億他們可以 |
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我每次都在這個執行台都拜託院長、部長我們的交通建設要好好給我們加油我們是邊緣網這時候是母女的孩子沒有糖吃所以我特別跟你拜託 |
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我今天不管財政收支發昏了未來怎麼做但是我把苗栗的實況給你苗栗的負債五百億這邊你再分一下兩千多億都沒有負債我們有努力有為地方建設地方繁榮發財稅收一直在增加 |
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你的回饋反而越低啊這個太不公平了不管未來怎麼樣我仍然希望左院長你繼續留任多多照顧苗玉仙 |
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第二個問題我用大西谷計畫我希望行政院要出來協調因為我們有兩個科學園區一個產業園區但是我們兩個科學園區大概開發出來有350公頃可用之地但是國科會只要用150公頃但是這200公頃 |
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國科會說這個開挖不是我認的國化會是上級指導的單位我說這個拜託今天國民司長也沒有來他當過國化會國民司長在你坐在那裡我沒注意看到你現在當民司長說你幫我協調一下你授權給他協調一下好不好院長 |
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不過我不知道要怎麼來開發 要怎麼來經營這對我們苗栗縣未來的發展太重要了我今天來講是 拜託你我們的港執委 泰內行 國民司長所有人來幫我協調這件事情好不好跟委員報告兩件事 第一個行政院對苗栗不是善意 是應該有的基本態度我們希望均衡地方 大家都同樣的起來所以在我設想的這個財政收支法如果照行政院的構想 會讓弱 |
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財政弱的向現世得到更多而不是像現在齊頭式的那第二件這個桃竹苗大細股可以說是在520之後行政院第一個核定的六大產業生活區所以我們會照這個速度來持續的往前推進速度我沒有主管機關啦我事情不會做的啦所以我特別請國民市長來幫我們協調一下如果是六大區域這個產業生活區的話它的規劃機關是國發會的但落到目的世界主管機關它就會不一樣 |
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我很謝謝你重大計畫由你手裡合整但是我苗栗縣碰到困難我只拜託國民司長來協調國科會省政府會跟苗栗縣政府各個部位來協調誰當主管機關我才有辦法投中大西部計畫完成賴總統及你們合定左院長你合定好不好阿卓那個國民司長你們覺得要求求 |
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你一定說好 要給我辦一下 跟他合調一下好不好再來我們交通部的陳部長你從市議院執行到交通部長我走起來 |
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我當時還以為不怎麼樣但是你到苗栗會刊的時候我發覺你回答任何問題非常成本非常實在我還很值得肯定我相信你經過歷練了以後你將來必有大用的但是你竟然會刊你都答應了你要給我做出來看你信用不信用就看在這裡就是 |
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黃磊交流道你說要核定這個拜託我就不再多講了我希望人類能把這幾個重大的建設推動完成我就可以功成身退我就功德圓滿我不曉得要用哪一個這個你不答應喔第二個 |
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西吳溪的合體公共西吳鄉只有五千多人最近兩年前才有一個那個7-11才在那邊開他要發展我已經推動三期的合體公共第四期的合體公共現在在可全線評估 好啊拜託一度你說你很照顧苗栗 關心苗栗我也謝謝你你下來我請你吃客家菜這條板他完成 |
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照顧邊鄉的地區好不好再來西吳鄉為什麼選票雖然很少但是這個地方沒有發展我覺得我要改進這個地方環境就是西吳區人外道路安城北日南村便利遊客與鄉親這個屬於高工級的 |
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那高工期裡面我希望特別注意我相信現在用很多工法可以把地方改變出來當然有少許阻力你一站不動 |
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你未來是很有前途的,我來講這個要好好幫忙完成再來,我講得很快,因為再來,後龍好望角,那天你會館沒有到現場但是當地的鄉鎮長、議員、代表、里長一直拜託你,好望角這個觀光風景區非常的漂亮、非常的好 |
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這兩條馬路一開跟廣天宮是結合在一起這兩個距離走路的話不到30分鐘可以增加很多遊覽的人口卓院長你那麼忙你還沒到苗栗我記得一次下次來多停留一下來看這個美好的地方你看完說不一定你不想當行政院長也不一定好山好水我請部長跟委員我們來規劃好不好再來 |
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就是台13線銅鑼鄉到山陸火車站拓寬解開地方交通瓶頸台13線唯一沒有四線道只有這一段但是到四區裡面我們曉得會遇到很多指令 |
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我們陳部長說大家要協助承諾也要馬上進行這個一定要把它完成那裡面那一段我不勉強因為在市區裡面你再拓寬那裏的兵越來越多我再跟他們討論一個辦法出來好不好左院長這樣給你一個印象你知道說要怎麼做的事情這幾天起來是很重要的我不隨便提問題但是我提問題是直接進入核心再來 |
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通宵產業生命之路通宵正直通銅鑼科學園區這兩個鄉鎮是隔離的那銅鑼現在一直在發展它隔壁的通宵人口一直在流失如果能開一條道路從銅鑼科學園區接鄰的通宵鎮我相信對通宵鎮的就業繁榮地方發展非常重要 |
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這條你不去看我會再排一次卓院長有興趣到苗栗你都來把這路一開你們的票數越多我的票數也應該不會少我們兩個共盟齊力因為這個是你們的地盤不是我的地盤好不好這條很重要你可能看出來寫出來你覺得說這個好像很簡單其實每一條都是有它的功用存在 |
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再來這個Railbike,3億的話,現在是台灣最紅了,國際遊覽客很多。張詞是不同意,報告院長,是我找鐵路局去協調工夫,還有觀光局協調溝通,把它完成下來。不曉得,噢,人山人海。 |
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人潮非常多,我們希望能跟台中不要為了選舉這樣,地方這樣結合起來,這樣變得有難。你只要完成,說是卓院長的時代完成了,陳部長您的時代完成了,你只要談出來,不要去計較地方各種,他做還是我做的,誰做都一樣,我永遠都保持這樣的心。 |
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所以這一條連接到台中、台安到台中尤其陳部長在台中人你這個把客戶下來不要分黨派也沒有誰做的那一段真的非常漂亮左院長你去走一趟你會喜歡苗栗你會幫忙苗栗好不好好再來 |
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台61縣縣港服務區中央地方共同民旅這是在西濱台61縣一個非常漂亮的地方我爭取了同意了以後但是到現在在推展容纏有困難那裡的漁港陳部長你是在雞皮疙瘩你很了解這裡這個你下來來看一下解他這個人潮這個漁港都很漂亮都很好 |
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真的都是很漂亮 你一來看你大概曉得了因為時間的關係 我大概就這樣再來 最美服務區 日落大道 喔那個報告院長 部長 那個整個寫在海景的時候你不小心就會發生錯誤 太漂亮了但是這個地方面積太小 應該再放大範圍 |
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在西濱快速道路在白沙屯的隔壁新埔的地方非常漂亮看到好尤其在落日大灶他今天的那個太陽沒有照那個夕陽西下沒有照出來很漂亮很多人在那一邊 |
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這個我麻煩土地的問題偶爾會請苗栗縣政府去解決你將會有補助給我們補助者會變成吸收景觀非常很多人在那邊再來做觀光休閒好不好這樣我說在調服嗎 說到盡頭希望苗栗縣未來不僅保持原來的傳統的智慧農業還有客鄉的文化我們更希望朝科技層整個 |
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大溪谷的整體建設來共同發展所以我這點要再感謝你再說大溪谷計畫裡面自然後融有一個產業科技延期再來的統銷 再來的萬利你記得你們執政黨在這海線的選票永遠是高出了很多 |
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好 謝謝陳委員好 謝謝左院長下一位請黃建斌委員質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席 我們有請卓榮泰卓院長請卓院長備詢公務員好 |
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院長早安 院長院長記得上次在我們經濟組總質詢的時候本席有跟您表達善意就是對於去年的這個風災本席向中央爭取台東農產全品項的這個災損救助還有旅宿業者的店家動漲後來行政院也確實聽見我們地方的聲音我想這是行政院跟立法委員之間一個非常理想的互動的方式 |
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那這一次本席在交通組總質詢一開始想要先跟院長分享一首詩做一個善意的引言這邊也分享給所有我們中央部會的首長這首詩是余光忠先生所寫的《台東》本席讀其中的幾段給院長聽城市比台北是矮一點天比台北卻高得多燈比台北是淡一點心比台北卻亮得多 |
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人比西岸是西一點 山比西岸勸密得多港比西岸是小一點 海比西岸卻大得多報紙送到是晚一點 太陽起來卻早得多無論地球怎麼轉 台東永遠在前面 |
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我想這首詩是對台東人來說感觸特別的深厚雖然台東比較遠人比較少不過台東擁有全台灣最美麗的海岸線我想這裡的人也非常的緩解溫暖最重要的是台東人的和善絕對不代表台東人好起伏那對本席而言這首詩的最後兩句就是無論地球怎麼轉台東永遠在前面這就是我從政的初衷只要是為了台東好的事情我一定全力以赴 |
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我也不怕得罪任何人這也是先前東海岸風電開發案本席一再要求院長跟各部會首長一定要全力阻止跟嚴審因為我絕對不允許 |
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未經公司的開發案破壞我們台東美麗的環境我們的家園也絕對不允許任何外力破壞台東這片團結善良的家園那今天質詢的一開始本席要先把握機會跟院長反映一件台東重要的時事就是現在是我們鬼頭島的這個漁訓期那但是有很多漁民朋友都跟我反映那國防部公告在五月份在台東屏東一帶的外海有許多這個實彈射擊的演習 |
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那演習期間因為海域的管制 漁民沒有辦法出海捕魚那這對當地漁民是一個很大的衝擊原來整條都有經營能蓋這個漁訊期就是4月到6月還有9月到11月那其中又以4月到6月的漁獲量最多但光是5月受到演習影響的時間就恐怕高達半個月之久那本席要表達的是說國防自主能力是捍衛國家安全的重要基礎本席絕對支持 |
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但是這幾年密集的在我們東部海域進行的這個實彈射擊造成漁民生氣很大很大的影響我們例如在2022年光是一到五月中科院跟國軍在台東外海射擊演訓的時間就超過了五十天這引發地方劇烈的反彈那國防部後來也承諾說未來演習會避開漁訓期 |
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那延後到六月到七月那同時也說會編列這個敦親募領的基金那但是為什麼現在漁民很懷疑說有時候你國防部陣還要選二五個月份魚還在出生來這裡延伸這很多漁民會認為國防部說話不算話那另外還有多漁民反映說國防部所謂的這個基金漁民根本拿不到這個實質的補貼啦所以在這裡本縣要跟漁民來表達的是說我們的漁民絕對管理配合辦的國防 |
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但是國家也要給漁民條活路所以因此我要請院長財事請國防部務必遵守當時的承諾超延的時間避開漁訊期才不會衝擊我們當地的這個產業那如果對於產業造成的衝擊也必須要給予受影響的這個從業人員必要的補貼請問院長是不是可以做得到 |
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首先謝謝委員一開始針對國家安全國防需求的支持這我們的心情都一樣第二就是國防部他一定有整年度的所謂演習各種的規劃那目前很多的規劃也要因應對岸時常對我們時不時有計劃沒計劃有公告沒公告定期不定期的各種演訓但是我承諾我會跟國防部去了解跟要求 |
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在保護漁民的漁訓期的過程當中應該事先做好整年的規劃事中要做好跟漁民的溝通事後有任何的補償、賠償的問題一定要確實落實 |
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謝謝院長 因為其實真的是漁民是很疑惑是說東西都說好了 你就知道後悔四月到六月是魚要大蒸的時候 你就選擇來演釋我會請郭先生去檢討這個事情 謝謝院長接下來本席來跟針對台中重大的交通跟公共議題來跟院長還有部長來進行討論 |
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首先本席有看到台鐵宣布配合小清水溪的這個橋改建的工程完工樹林到台東之間要增加增開兩班這個支強號的列車那東部的鐵路量能提升當然是好事情但關鍵的是小清水溪橋就是因為先前颱風被土石流沖斷所以才需要進一步改建由此可見我們東部的鐵路非常非常的脆弱而現在所謂的增加班次其實也只是逐步恢復到過去的這個量能 |
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因為是現在這個增加的這兩班都是中午時間才發車喔這對我們台東居民這個通勤啊就醫工作需求其實幫助其實是有限喔那其實除了到台北之外台東到高雄的這個網板列車也是相新急迫的這個需求那經常因為 |
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要到高雄就診或是工作因為我們早班的車太少導致民眾必須提前一天去高雄或者又因為晚班的車趕不上需要多留一天在高雄隔天再去醫院就醫這樣一來一往會增加一到兩天的住宿費的負擔這是非常沉重的一個負擔一直本起具體的要求 |
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增加我們台東往返高雄的這個清晨與深夜的班次我想這有助於民眾到高雄就醫或是工作能夠當日往返降低我們交通的時間跟成本也降低衍生的這個住宿的成本強化我們醫療就醫就診交通的這個可靜性也安排時間讓安排時間也更有具有彈性性讓我們照顧我們台東人這個省的正義請問部長這邊是不是可以承諾來研議這個部分 |
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報告委員這個部分確實對台東的鄉親來說其實往南走到高雄是比較近的不管是就醫或就學那這個部分需求確實在那我們會來研議這個班次看怎麼調整不過現在最關鍵的其實是南回的整個路線的改善因為很多的路段目前是單軌委員應該非常清楚因為是單軌所以它這個 |
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車輛的數目沒有辦法大幅的來提升所以南回的軌道的建設我們一樣會往前推進那另外委員剛剛所交代的就是說車次的調整我們來想辦法 |
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謝謝部長的這個承諾願意來研議這件事情那接下來我們就是談到台鐵就是談我們台鐵票價的部分而上次在總質詢的時候院長也有承諾本席說會請交通部盡快的來研議我們華東專屬優惠票價的部分那在隔週交通委員會的時候陳部長也有承諾本席五月底之前會提出嘛 |
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那目前從我們中央社的這個街頭的資訊來看中央部規劃的方案仍然是只有會員制點數加倍那本席簡單的換算一下按照現在目前我們台鐵會員折抵的方式是每消費50元累積1點 |
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兩點折一元就是說等於每消費一百塊才能折抵一元那就是一趴的回饋金那你即便未來花東加倍也就只有兩趴的回饋但問題是這一次的票價調整台北到台東之前還有丹唐就漲了一百五十三元來回就是三百零六元 |
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那如果依照我們現行台鐵規劃的花東優惠方案,有兩個嚴重的問題,第一個就是說,用台北到台東的來回自強號來換算,你消費金額大概只能折18.7元,你用19塊去算就好了,跟你來回票價調漲306塊來比起來真的是杯水車薪,第二個其實很多長者根本不會使用智慧型手機, |
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這樣要怎麼去累積點數甚至去折扣這個票價這是本席發現這兩個問題因此從目前台鐵的這個方案來看所謂的優惠恐怕讓花東的居民是無感那也恐怕看得到吃不到那請問院長你覺得目前這樣的優惠方案難道對於東部交通若是低位而言是足夠的嗎部長詳細說明部長的方案報告委員您所聽到的加倍送不是只有一倍是好幾倍 |
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你一百塊到一塊錢但是他好幾倍的狀況不會像你所說的只有百分之二不會這麼少這個是台鐵提出來的優惠方案我聽說聽到的加倍但那個倍不是一倍有可能是四倍可能是五倍因為行政院院長有特別交代說第一要對花東的鄉親要多一些優惠第二我們希望平日跟假日要有彈性所以我們平日的優惠又會更多 |
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謝謝部長的說明部長其實我們在委員會已經討論過這件事還有第二個就是所謂連長者怎麼去使用這個部分都是還是要克服這個部分其實台鐵都有在研議如果到櫃台找我們的同仁他也會幫長者來服務這個會員的連長者沒有問題都可以克服的 |
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院長,本席為什麼要不斷地爭取花東專屬票價的優惠跟折扣?就是因為你跟西部比起來,西部多元的大空交通工具比起來東部基本上就只有鐵路啦,不然就是昂貴的飛機票更關鍵的是東部的鐵路受到天災影響的敏感度非常高嘛 |
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在安全性上你跟西部比遠遠不足嘛那現在你要用一樣的票價的方式來算我想這東部人不會接受啦這個就是本席為什麼一直提喔那因為我記得好幾個月前本席就呼籲中央說要用花東基金的專款專用的補貼方式給予花東居民的優惠票價那先前本席質詢國發會主委還有城市港部長的時候你們也認為這是可行的方向了吧 |
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那甚至在前兩天連民進黨的委員都呼籲本席的說法認為應該用花東基金來補貼嘛那非常一樣我們交通部現在都還沒有任何具體的作為那本席其實有掌握到其實交通部內部確實有來討論這件事情花東基金給予票價的折扣是一個可行的方向但問題現在是聽說卡在系統來不及跟上我想這個說法本席都沒辦法接受 |
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因為票價也是從二月就規劃要調漲那過去三個月呢難道沒有任何預先的這個配套的準備這部分我是請陳部長你必須要扛起責任勇於任事本席在這邊也提出兩個具體的要求請主委來採釋第一個交通部必須在台鐵新票價上路之前 |
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規劃好花東優惠票價的方案並且要直接補貼或者是折扣而不是只有民眾無感的會員制點數優惠第二個 交通部必須立刻與國發會來開會討論有關花東基金補貼的事宜並進行提案申請然後作為未來穩定的裁員請院長回應而且也要請我們相關部會一週內把相關的資料提供到本席的辦公室 院長 |
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謝謝委員 西部的交通選項比較多東部比較少所以我們當然是記憶這樣的一個利基點所以我也請交通部能夠對東部的鄉親做這些票價上面的另外的想法不要說委員 剛剛你如果委員所說只有2%不要說委員來你接受我也覺得不甚合理但是我所知道交通部現在在研擬的絕對不是這個方案給他們一點時間那麼這個一定會在6月 |
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調價之前一定會把這個方案完全確定而且沒有所謂系統銜接的上銜接不上的問題一定要開始適用這個跟委員保證謝謝委員長也謝謝部長其實我們本席跟部長的互動其實都很好因為部長也真的夠了解到東部的交通的這個先天的不足的問題那這邊要請部長這邊盡快來演繹那另外講到的道路就是 |
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交通才就是道路的問題那一條安全回家的路是台東是東部人數十年來最基本的要求花東快也是當年賴清德總統的競選承諾那就在去年本席跟黨黨立委的共同努力下立法院終於通過了組決議要求交通部儘速推動花東快速公路的興建但非常遺憾上一次我在交通委員會跟陳市長部長您討論花東快可行性評估進度的時候您竟然當面跟我說經濟效益確實 |
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這不就是坐實了之前媒體所說的花東快被推薦的原因就是因為交通部認為經濟效益低嘛那部長的說法東部人絕對沒有辦法接受其實西部這麼多條的快速道路難道每一條的經濟效益都很高嗎更何況現在台中是連一條我連一條都沒有 |
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因此這絕對不應該是政府的理由安全才是最重要的主席長 陳部長本席要很嚴肅的跟兩位表達生命的價值絕對不能用金錢來衡量花蓉花園對東部人的意義就是要挽救無價的生命這件事情不是政治議題這個是攸關數十萬東部鄉親生命 |
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安全的民生議題請重要一定要正視不要再把台東當二等公民那現在台九縣一旦發生緊急醫療事件即便救護車全數的搶救也常常因為會錯過黃金救援時間造成太多這個無辜生命因為漫長的交通時間而失去那這就是為什麼台東人要這麼在意發動快我們說我們台東人的命要比我長 |
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經濟效益的評估 當然是 |
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其來有自啦但是我是覺得如果從一小段來看它的效益或許有限如果放大整個台灣你要看整個台灣形成一個有效的鐵道系統的話它不只是經濟效益對台灣整體的國家的運量是極然增加的所以我是希望交通部能夠持續的去研議這個事情謝謝院長的承諾 謝謝院長 |
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那接下來在公共禮數部分,因為時間有限,我想之後再來跟我們院長跟部長謝謝黃委員,謝謝卓院長下一位請魯明哲委員質詢 |
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喂謝謝主席有請我們行政院卓院長請卓院長備詢哎 |
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院長雖然是交通組質詢但是因為國家重要的一個議題昨天這個在下午的時間我相信院長也有看到我們這個楊總裁中央銀行的楊總裁那個記者會真的是很多媒體跟學者的感覺你知道是什麼是啊不聽不害怕越聽越害怕 |
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史上史詩集啊 史詩集皆八 皆八八答不出來 他是有什麼困難 難言之隱 你覺得所以你看那樣記者會表現如何 有沒有幫這個問題示疑 還讓大家有更多的疑問 你說說看楊總裁在對 |
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整個國家財政貨幣的匯率上面是相當專業的那麼他所提出的書面的說明也非常清楚那至於說現場的反應那個可能牽涉到提問的過程當中他是不是第一時間沒有完全掌握到但是我是認為他的內容來看是足夠用專業來做評估的 |
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我是覺得一般的民眾看到因為政府要跟民眾溝通跟業界溝通跟輿論溝通這種溝通的模式是不行的你書面報告是單項的你必須雙項是很好雙項之後你又沒有辦法去很坦然的示意這是給一般民眾的一個感覺那當然 |
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這幾天 前幾天我們台美美金的匯率史詩級的飆升對台域來說史詩級的飆升當然對個人的一個部分的理財甚至觀光有部分的民眾他是正面看待但就國家行政院 |
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立法院對國家以出口為導向出口是我們競爭力降低的一個部分我們必須要審慎去面對這樣的一個問題因為不然這個史詩級的飆升真的在控制不好第二個詩會變成詩痕遍野出口的一個產業IT的產業甚至我們受險大部分於美金避險的這個邏輯會變成另外一種史詩級 |
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我覺得行政院做好沒有 做好準備沒有啊 |
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就密切注意那更往前走我們是認為在整個關稅談判的過程當中雖然都沒有觸及到所謂匯率的問題但是我們一直在關心整個世界匯率的變化所以我也希望這個變化能夠迅速的穩定下來那穩定下來最重要的當然是央行長期就穩定貨幣的政策以及他手上所了解的狀況但很重要的是我希望產業界跟國人我們現在能夠大家 |
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還是要深具信心台灣的基本體質 財政狀況是好的院長 因為這個產業界我特別最近接到很多電話我也跟一些以出口為導向的一個產業聯絡其實現在是真的非常非常的憂心而且實際發生的已經哀鴻遍野最主要問題這次的升值之前 |
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就最近的兩年兩個月112年2月2號也測試到29有測試到這兩年前的市有嘛因為匯率升升降降其實這個就是市場的一個機制為主啊所以說這樣有時候升本來大家不意外的可是 |
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你花了兩年的時間兩年的慢慢走讓產業有調整每次的訂單他看到匯率的走勢相對的穩定他可以做這個生意獲得相對的一個這個出口的一個利潤花了兩年時間到三十二、三十三左右請問說真的黑色五月就五月就這幾天 |
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就這幾天 尤其五月三號跟五月五號連兩天啊快一塊嘛 九毛這兩天就快兩美元的這個部分最主要現在擔心的不是調這個什麼時候會降到多少最主要是這麼短的時間讓人家沒有辦法應變然後呢 昨天這個總裁終於 |
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講出一些讓我們他的良心話他覺得是事實嘛因為之前他一直記者會一直閉談啊原來他講的是什麼意思你聽得懂嗎呼籲啊 異常 |
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的狀況到此為止你跟誰講跟外資那些禿鷹嗎他就表示發現有異常但是這三天這過去兩三天他居然沒有去救市不是干預不是干預你要去救 |
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股市我們有在救會市遇到這麼大的一個問題的時候居然他昨天說他有發現有異常異常到此為止簡單來講他講異常就是如果不管外資喔外資喔搞不好有真外資假外資喔搞不好有國人繞一圈產業繞一圈進來的喔外資熱錢進來的居然有掠奪式有突映式的資金的時候在這幾天我們的總裁已經發現了我已經發現了這樣的救市 |
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所以因為我們長期以來沒有採取干預政策 |
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台灣一直沒有被列為操縱匯率的國家我們是一般的觀察名單而已就因為這樣的延續這樣的慣例下來所以央行自然在比較合於規定的情況底下對匯市做它穩定的措施但是前兩天經過之後難免會發現有些外資進出的時間跟量 |
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次數都有一些值得觀察的時候所以今天早上我也講了台灣不是操縱匯率的國家但是我們也絕不允許呼應來破壞影響操縱台灣的匯市如果有任何不法的狀況一旦發生絕對要立刻有效的處理 |
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我是覺得這個東西要應該更積極的一個作為啦因為我們出口產業甚至有很多這個以美元做避險的一個產業真的受影響是非常大如果在全球的一個匯率做異常管理這個部分史詩級的就是單日 |
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跳升或者降已經到了過去大概三四十年最高的一個比率如果就全球來檢驗一定是這個有異常嘛那這個異常會不會大家變成是這個相關的一些名單這個部分我覺得央行要注意你們也要注意那第三個問題是產業界的你知道產業界在關稅問題 |
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美國關稅的問題正在處理副院長帶隊去我們期待蠻深的不然我跟你講全台灣這個出口產業真的是做不下去這個部分我覺得不管哪個黨派要有共識你這個東西一定要為台灣爭取最大的一個利益讓我們的產業能夠活下去這個是我個人絕對這樣去認為可是現在這個出口的一個產業 |
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坦白講第一把刀還沒卸下來就看談判的一個結果假設90天希望有好的結果讓我們出口產業能夠在世界的一個出口的競賽能夠生存那結果現在匯市匯率這幾天坦白講很多在談 |
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正好以美金 現在因為世界貿易都息以美金做談好的訂單有時候幾個月要交貨 我的天啊它現在真的是遇到非常麻煩的問題等於對他們來講第一把刀還沒有拔出來第二把刀就插進去那我現在要請教你啊我不知道你有沒有預測啊明天正好是5月7號 |
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當然美國總統川普講的話現在唯一不變的就是一直在變所以他講5月7號會宣布其實我也不太確定可是5月7號就美國時間搞不好就非常快了他說5月7號對於我們台灣出口IT產業的第三把刀如果宣布就是對於我們的晶片 |
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對於晶片 對於我們IT產業這非常重要要開始宣布一個特殊的關稅第一個 你有沒有掌握這樣的一個情報第二個咧 如果有不要講日期 你覺得大概幅度是多少 |
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好 鄭麗君副院長跟臺灣辦公室楊貞妮政委非常辛苦的完整的跟美國正式面對面的瘦傷他們帶回來的消息是足以讓我們覺得說往下一步走是一個好的開始至於明天5月7號我們再度的向外界說明這是一個美國廣對世界所有其他國家 |
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希望大家提出一個對232條款的公眾說明書他們再來做討論而不是一個具體的談判的時間點那我方也備妥了這個意見書會依照我們備妥的方案當中針對ICT產業半導體這個產業如何保障我國產業的安定穩定跟繼續的高科技領導我們會往這個方向去爭取國家最大的利益所以你的團隊有預設嗎 |
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因為不要每次我們都 人家宣布了你再講說當時我們預測就你有沒有預測啦 講真的有沒有預測 還是不方便講沒關係但有沒有預測我們有評估跟各種射算有評估就是等他宣布之後你才可以宣布我覺得他宣布沒有那麼快我們還要進行詳細的評估 |
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我覺得你們要更慎重去注意我們尤其在出口產業IT這部分如果第三把刀就在五月這個項群再插進來的時候你要遇到非常非常多的一個問題必須解決最後一個請交通部部長部長我請教一下你邊走我邊問就請問一下這一次因為交通部 |
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未來有很多包括美國車 每年進口怎麼能夠只有七十幾台啊他們肯定變成非關稅的貿易障礙你們也都知道啦那這個的部分你們有沒有把這個題庫相關的做法去交給談判代你們自己在行政院開過會這些談判代表從副院長他們應該這個題庫相關的處理機制有沒有提供 |
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報告委員我們跟行政院有開過數次的會議包含我在內包含次長在內還有相關的單位跟行政院開過數次的會議所以所有的幕僚作業該提供的資訊跟資料我們都有提供 |
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好的 有提供那這次交通部有派誰參加這個關稅談判的一個代表部長 次長 部長在嘛 肯定沒有 有沒有但是你們意見都已經在內部討論了嘛 對不對好啦 我今天要跟主委長建議拜託啦 央行不要再這樣講 |
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不要再講了我們央行沒有參與沒有去代表參與去美國代表貿易談判 當然沒有啊部長也在這邊 交通部沒有一個去啊難道就代表我們交通部沒有任何的一個相關的意見帶去當然不是 他們在國內開了N次會央行一樣對於可能美債外匯存體相關的一個匯率要準備的方案嘛你自己去不去談 跟你的意見有沒有去 |
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我覺得不要再講我個人沒有站在美國的現場那不代表你交通部或者央行你們的意見不要再用這個作為解釋啦這是我跟這個部長跟院長的建議真的意思是說這次談判沒有涉及匯率的問題他的原意應該是在這裡啦 |
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對我知道可是你不要跟我講說代表代表團這麼專業代表行政院代表我們國家過去然後如果美國談到任何的美債外匯存體或者匯率的問題我們是講抱歉我沒有這個意見不可能啊如果你這樣講我就覺得哇天啊那什麼叫完全的準備了那我接下來談一些感悟的問題來首先 |
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我們也要謝謝這個院長你上任不到一個月就有宣誓了就跟毒品宣戰而且這個花總共有四年時間投入一百五十億來跟毒品宣戰我覺得這是很重要的而且有六大守護神我現在已經寫在上面就是檢警調檢警調等於相關的一個單位那這個的部分 |
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我覺得像檢警調很多第一個要靠現報那當然剩下的部分就是已經毒品相關已經分散出去了他去調查中間在某一個KTV或者某一個party或者有一個場域然後去抓到其實這都是最尾端的那會忙死人啊所以我們覺得在台灣毒品的一個源頭管理是非常非常重要的以台灣來說我們的源頭就在港口 |
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空港海港這港口這個管制是非常非常重要我們看到過去幾年在空港的嚴謹度對於人對於人所帶的物品對於相關的一些貨他們查緝的不敢說都查得到了但是我感覺比較嚴謹那現在這個你感覺海港狀況怎麼樣 |
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所以我們六大守護這個反炸的 反毒的除了檢警掉線就是有海巡跟官務就是委員所說的空港跟海港那這個部長港務公司有沒有什麼想法 |
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怎麼樣去整合這六個單位就你所知道在海港的部分整合如何因為整合就是有一定的調度配合一條邊發生什麼事情你的港務公司或者那邊是誰來去主導平常的日常的 |
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去做這種check in的動作就你所知整合的如何港務公司的角色是什麼港務公司在長期以來都有配合我們的檢警調在做調查的部分當然會配合那另外針對港務跟海巡的配合其實也是長期在配合但是前一陣子確實有發生過有船員攜帶毒品的這個問題那我也請港務公司現在針對這樣子的問題怎麼樣跟我們的執法單位大家來配合能夠杜絕這樣子的可能性在發生好 |
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我想 股票上列了兩次的一個案情就在基隆港在去年的4月17有可能是偵破日 搞不好在之前就已經發生這個事情這是基隆港員工運3.2億價值的大麻當然有現報 被抓到了 起訴了 |
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但其中沒有擔心黑樹第二個是今年的3月24號有抓到偵破長榮海運現任跟離職的船員走私大麻這兩個案子我們的院長您都清楚有掌握嗎 |
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當然從新聞上我看到我是覺得我們整個過程第一個是這個線報很重要再來科技的執法很重要另外就是我們現在很多的企圖犬也發揮了很大的效果但是我是覺得我們自己的同仁或者是海運相關的業者讓我們覺得很痛心 |
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那應該是把關的第一線 竟然成為破口之所在所以我是說這個部分如果是公務同仁我們絕一定要求司法研辦公務機關行政上也接受歧視處分那如果是海運的這些同仁 海運的這些職員也應該海運公司內部自我管理要加強 |
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院長因為這是一個真的是跨部會跨單位而且檢停掉都頗有本位主義的那可是你在港區發生的到底誰來去劃這整件事情讓他去做圓滿我坦白講行政院你要 |
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不是說你啦你一定要派人去整合這樣的一個問題因為我們發覺你覺得現在這個部長你說一下目前發生這個事情之後你各單位六大守護神跟港澳公司整合得怎麼樣港澳公司當然有找相關的單位來開會那另外港澳公司自己自主啦針對員工的管制跟針對船員的管制的部分跟檢查的部分目前也有加強另外跟委員報告我們海巡經常跟國際合作 |
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一直跟美方合作 破壞相當多在海上當然是有現報 但是經過國際合作就破壞在海上的毒品那海巡同仁都要很艱難的去危險的登艦去做一些必要的收檢工作這個是海巡同仁經常在付出的 |
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其實我最擔心是例行性的 daily 的每一天的你如何去掌控一些基本的一個情況從中發生一些問題但我們看到港公司為主從108年到112年他經常也開這個相關單位的一個會議相關的專家學者也去做處理那108年說什麼呢要確實一規定檢查人員以及個人的物品以及車輛跟車上的物品 |
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很合理嘛那改善情況就是以改善並依規定辦理這代表什麼呢108年的時候遇到有這種例外的情況對人員啊又發生了一些事情不見得是毒品他覺得應該要加強改善以改善114年類似的一個情況就人員未經許可進入港區應該要怎麼樣什麼機制然後就表示又有一些漏洞再檢討 |
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然後以改善並依規定辦理表示之前有一些落高那最近的112年呢加強落實車輛的一個管理因為我覺得基本功很重要啊因為我們除了自己本身台灣我們自己在運作那我們也是世界的一員我相信 |
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這個部長你知道什麼是ISPS已經20幾年2002年全世界的海港為了當時是反恐啊反恐啊發這個炸彈什麼東西再進來所以訂定了一個非常嚴肅的針對於港口甚至船舶還有相關的設施訂了一個非常明確的SOP然後是一套完整的港口保全這個一個制度 |
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第一個你知不知道這整套的系統跟制度然後再來港澳公司跟相關的資源單位有沒有做到報告員這個部分請你明示這個部分我沒有掌握你沒掌握那我建議你回去因為已經很久了 |
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整個港口該怎麼管制我們自己按照經驗沒有用吧全世界的一個經驗甚至有一些港口發生重大危安不是我們的然後人家經驗跟我們分享該怎麼管制第一關第二關這個部分我們希望在今天總執行之後至少我想包括院長部長能夠多關心我們現在以三港為主的這個的部分來做一個進一步的 |
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處理好嗎剛剛委員報告我們跟其他國家的共同打擊犯罪其中有一些已經在合作另外有一些我們自己在裝備比方說雷達偵測系統上不急的部分我都跟海巡署講說我們一定要採用最新的設備跟世界同步能夠做情報的分享我想這個部分我們會極力的趕上來好 那接下來我們再看因為我想說最基本功啦 |
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就每天這麼多的你們不斷的開會說對人員跟人員帶的物品對於車輛車輛帶的物品你們已經三番兩次說要加強加強就代表其實不用我說啦大家也知道這是Daily你們必須要去做的可是我們看到以長風海運大麻運這個案子有三個人進出港口 |
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有臨時的有現任的你看到第一位蔡元姓蔡的蔡先生他的出入港口的記錄這有正式回文的這個警隊說港警有記錄到然後呢港公司有登錄到然後呢長榮公司CCTV沒看到這個人第二個賴元是港警 |
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警察的警政單位有進入然後港務公司他沒有勾結到那第三個長榮的CCTV監視系統沒看到最後一位是三個都沒有 |
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大家沒人看到 就在港區裡面跑來跑去啊所以我剛剛講說齁其實這個不管是國際的一個怎麼樣一個code一個ISPS怎麼樣去做到可是我們先倒過來那個高深的學問你們在研究啦好不好這個是大家都看得懂的我們有幾個人站在第一線就像我們院長所說的六大這個守護神嘛那守護神有時候 |
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是不是在睡覺還是發呆失靈的一個情況到底要怎麼解決到底要怎麼解決這個我想部長你來回答一下 |
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為什麼有這種交錯你們面對這問題幾個月了你剛剛說有討論討論發覺是什麼問題如何改善這樣子的表格看得很清楚有一些單位確實他在這個通行證跟門哨的管制沒有百分之百落實這個是我們必須要檢討也必須要趕快改善的那現在港務公司給我這邊的回報是他們已經有開過會討論怎麼樣去落實包含您所提到的港警的部分跟港務公司的部分那另外跟航運公司的協調他們也有做過 |
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詳細的內容我會後再跟委員報告 |
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做了希望有效果這是你們後面我們再三追問只有兩個單位說他有精進其他單位好像跟他覺得沒有什麼關係警隊組提了一個精進方案然後港務公司也提一個這個精進的方案就過去只要傳言去申請這個當次的那現在來要傳通這個代表事前的登錄要做一個double check做這個double check的一個動作更嚴謹 |
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那這個部長覺得有沒有信心啊經過這個double check已經訂過來14個 可能一兩個月了沒有啦 部長講一下好了因為太小的議題我就不問院長了這個部分我們會有信心啦那院長的指示是要有決心一定要把它做好做到做好做到 那已經精進方案已經上路了大概一兩個月了我們來看看什麼精進好不好你們看一下 |
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這是台北港昨天下午4點46分我們應該期待說這個鋼哨是不是有人守在那裡首先鋼哨是空的沒有人站在外面然後有人逼一聲燈亮然後有轎車沒有人看完全沒有任何反應這樣可以通行現在的情況就是這樣 |
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到底誰管制 第一個人員管制 沒有剛剛院長說的我們有科技科技管制不是 他逼到了 亮或者不亮 合不合格照樣他自己去通行我跟你講齁 |
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所以這個部分真的是要院長來做一個協調處理因為這個可能又是警政單位了為什麼昨天我們的秘書看到這個狀況覺得很奇怪看不懂有人逼一聲有人沒有進進出出這個非常通暢結果我們進去看在裡面的警員 |
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這個奇怪 為什麼有B道跟沒有B道有沒有量檢驗到他都可以出去啊然後再來對這些我這個叫車的部分啊我覺得像很多的貨櫃貨運這個我們期待這個公司上貨的時候自主管理我們希望相信他因為這個國家運貨的效率你知道嗎甚至讓這個貨櫃車大車堵在那個門口每一個要爬上去檢查我覺得這個不合理 |
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覺得但是轎車這個部分誰自主管理啊誰自主管理到底發生了什麼事結果昨天的員警特別說不要問我不要問我這個廠商就是這個設施這個設施有時候會出問題你要去問這個設施的廠商 |
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因為我們覺得很尷尬今天是已經經濟方案已經上路了在經濟方案沒有上路對於人車尤其這個人的沒有自主管理過的不是那種大貨車那到底發生什麼事了照這樣逼一下裡面多載一個人也沒事喔你看這種多載一個人兩個人完全一點事情都沒有我倒是覺得很奇怪這個東西我倒是不會說去怪這個交通部可是如果那個系統啊 |
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那個系統啊有量沒量都可以到遠景執法也很無奈那他變成因為被騙很多次了所以他乾脆狼來了我以為不出去了有量沒量都不行這個部分是很嚴重的這個院長你看到這個情況好像不太符合我們現在的剛剛的全面的要求你說說看要怎麼樣去精進改善 |
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謝謝委員我覺得第一個非常遺憾但更感謝委員提供這樣的資訊5月5號16點46分這個剛燒的人員到底是誰我們在行政上我又要求台北港跟交通部我們要做強力的要求到底他的人員有沒有盡到責任另外這些進出車輛有沒有經過安全檢查的程序過程如何一定要詳實報告如果有行政上的疏忽我們一定要做行政上的追究謝謝委員 |
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希望能夠逐步精進啦因為事實上很多人常常會經過要進去港口是什麼樣的一個情況我一直在說對於營業大量的有自主管理的車輛載貨不要再把人家打開什麼樣的方式但是對於這樣的一個不明的轎車或者沒有 |
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沒有逼生的這個部分我覺得要有一些作為那接下來我們再看一樣是港務公司的港務公司在幾年前為了科技創新鼓勵科技創新用科技的方法來去提供 |
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港務公司港口需求來提供科技的解決方案那也希望在這個實驗之後呢能夠落地商轉就是簡單講實驗完之後現在就在港口港務公司那邊港域去做實施甚至能夠從實驗港拓展到所有的商港這是我們港務公司目前在網站上開宗明義所以科技去做管理這個的部分那請問一下部長你知道嗎 |
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這個部分我大概知道我們以政府補助,政府沒有補助算了以政府補助的有三項創新的工作以港口做實驗場域因為時間有限那我們希望你們自己去查清楚了解一下 |
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這三個政府非常補助無人載具智慧巡檢這個補助了五千多萬自駕巴士區塊鏈物流服務這在台北港也是交通部的補助三千六百萬第三個應該是高雄港的吧無人機後勤的一個補給這數位部來補助了一千三那就請問一下算了如果你剛剛都沒聽過的話這幾個到底 |
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最後的結果其實坦白講到112年111年112年結案了啦本身當時的計畫已經結案了啦那到底哪一個落地港公司要講一下嗎到底哪一個是現在進行式哇 實驗成功了我推展科技了因為當時是港公司的需求不是人家硬塞進來的一個案子我跟你講花錢築夢夢醒一場空這三個補助的計畫 |
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目前為止沒有一個可以正常落地變成科技資源港口公司的所以這到底是不是港務公司需求因為當時你不是部長我只是說你現在要去了解那到底哪些可以落地的甚至還要發展到全台灣港口去做甚至還誇言可以出國輸出去做比賽的你看以無人載具的一個巡檢 |
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這個最後的結案啊人家專家學者的第二十項你看第一個無人載具具有天候限制人家委員問他說那下雨天會不會影響到無人機的視覺結果回答是開玩笑說不會你知道為什麼不會因為我們雨天不出情 |
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雨天不出勤那金融港呢大概平均200到230天的雨天所以我們的科技創新呢在實驗階段大概有六成的時間不用出勤所以會不會因為雨天影響所以不會那諸如此類這個奇奇怪怪的一個情況沒有一個落地的包括巴士區塊鏈這個部分 |
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這個智慧駕駛只有直線700公尺用智慧駕駛其他都一個人在上面開好謝謝盧委員 謝謝卓院長 |
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報告院會現在在議場二樓旁清洗的是法務部司法官學院的學員我們在此表示歡迎他們的參訪 謝謝下一位請嚴寬衡委員質詢主席各位立席官員大家早主席有請行政院左院長、交通部陳部長 |
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請卓院長還有陳部長備詢院長早部長早台幣升值目前已經來到29國內所有的製造業各產業都非常的緊張我想請教院長後續會不會繼續升值 |
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這個國際的情勢跟市場的機制我們當然要有所掌握那我覺得目前我們在觀測過程當中似乎大家心裡的預期都比較強烈一點我們台灣是出口導向的國家所以匯率的問題是影響非常的大非常深遠所以要請院長多多注意好不好 |
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我也希望社會大眾我們一個有信心第二個有一些不實的訊息不要隨便的傳遞出來我們讓央行能夠專業來穩定請教院長 院長 部長我一直關心的台中大慶烏日段高架計畫台中市府114年1月9日含送修正後報告書 |
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另外一個案子台中海線雙軌高架也是在1月9號含送修正後報告書請問這兩個案子目前還在交通部嗎請部長回答報告委員目前鐵道局在5月2號已經含請台中市政府要再辦修正所以我才說1月9號也要送了現在又送了到部了 |
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現在又在市政府了因為我們5月2號已經回函請他再繼續修正所以這樣子一來一往這第幾次了第四次第五次修正報告委員重點是在於說我們希望台中市政府修正的內容希望他要真的落實下去修正那目前我們所看到的內容是他沒有依照我們的建議下去修正還有國發會的意見我跟院長跟部長說跟各位報告 |
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大慶烏日高架計畫部長也是烏日區選出來的司議員曾經在烏日區這是我的政見所以我也很想實現所以當地的情況你也非常清楚他迫在眉睫那在原物料人力成本不斷攀升的情況之下越早核定越早發包省越多錢 |
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那而且在鐵道建設 全國的鐵道建設總經費的匯整表當中我們也看到不管是桃園 嘉義 嘉義縣市 台南 高雄中央的占比都非常的高只有台中市的部分是地方占比比台中高那我不曉得說為什麼台中的大慶會議段沒有辦法競訴核定 |
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這個部分因為周邊城市發展已經非常成熟啦我相信部長你比我比如說我們都一樣很清楚你從2010年當選市議員三屆的市議員都是當地選出來的所以我告訴你我已經在失敗這一屆我已經第四次總質詢在詢問這個問題失敗就兩年啦所以我想 |
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我們看不到任何發展都是原地踏步我們身為烏日選出來的民意代表立委也好 部長也好我相信民眾的期待我們是不希望能夠不希望讓民眾失望啦我相信我們的市民對柏定也有很大的期待但是我感覺你會讓他們很失望啦那接下來我們國內山鐵貢過的部分山鐵貢過站有台北板橋還有高雄 |
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那台中新日日站也是三鐵共購但是所有的站都有自強號停靠但是只有新日日站每日只有兩班南下的自強號停靠我要請院長、部長、台鐵公司研議民眾的需求新增自強號停靠台鐵新日日站還有增加停靠台鐵新日日站的班次因為台中市的人口已經是全國第二大不日區超過八萬人 |
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那三鐵公共站竟然只有兩班停靠 這非常誇張啦這真的非常誇張 請院長跟部長承諾好不好報告委員 除了這兩班之外如果在連假 或者是假期期間人潮眾多的時候當然知道嘛 會調整嘛但是你可不可以在原有限有的狀況之下增加班次嘛 |
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目前我們正在跟台鐵討論這個問題我們也認為那個地方需要增加對號車次那我們也跟台鐵正在溝通當中 |
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我希望你是一個有效率的部長不要說讓外公兩年了我剛剛提到了這不只兩年你在當議員的時候我們就一直你也曾經協助地方在推動大慶烏日高價化可是你當了部長了你就應該更用力的來推動我已經很用力了現在也需要台中市政府配合 |
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委員 您家人在台中市政府的影響力應該也不小是不是可以拜託他們幫忙一下提出這些經費的問題民意代表不管是議員 議會 全力在協助部長 我們不要在這裡這樣讀來讀去一定會努力做 交通部不能做我們就來做事情好 這個烏日高鐵這個娛樂城我想大家知道現在最大的一個這個開發區在台中的烏日高鐵 |
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那這個高鐵業城總開發金額超過260億那基地面積超過15公頃那我想周邊的交通絕對是會超過負荷上次我在這邊質詢院長跟部長的時候你有提過說要組成專案小組那但是我跟交通部要的資料發現說第一次開會的時候高鐵公司居然沒有被放在出席單位啦那會議結論是 |
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請將台灣高鐵公司納入專案小組會議成員所以我在想說這是不是我們高鐵公司出什麼問題是融資鬆了還是出現什麼問題那成立這個專案小組也是部長院長部長當時的承諾那這個專案小組是要來解決相關問題的而不是一個應付的一個型態所以我想要請部長 院長 |
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我們在這邊做一個承諾未來的會議結論也可以提供給本席辦公室那是不是也可以讓本院的委員來參與會議一起幫烏日解決問題院長部長可不可以 |
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這個已經是去年的會議紀錄了那去年到現在這幾個月下來應該當中都有暗部就班在進行相關的討論我現在問嘛 當初高鐵第一次會議竟然沒有被納入不是出席 沒有被放入出席單位嘛這第一次嘛 後面這要開幾次就改回啊那開了這麼多次會 回到問題本身 |
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到底怎麼樣才可以舒緩這些交通呢不論是在國道1號偵測閘道還是優化台氣視線讓進入高鐵站區跟進入漁獄城的車輛分流又或者是在烏日閘道、王田交流道的優化還是舒緩這些都是對於舒緩高鐵特區未來可能面臨的擁捨問題不然我現在已經可以預期就是說每逢假日車輛從停運道路會回乳到高架上啦這是肯定會發生的啦 |
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我在這邊跟院長部長詳細講一下有兩個方向第一個就是設法增加平面道路的容量 |
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那第二個就是快速高速快速道路增加閘道那第一點台中市政府也正在努力主要就是要將目前高鐵五路調整成左轉的單行道這個部長你就清楚了高鐵五路左轉要上這個高鐵的這個乘客這個高鐵站 |
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這樣子的話可以再來就是高鐵路二段跟三段的分隔打除可以增加路幅還有增加這個行車空間那第三個就是高鐵五路打通輪子巷打通輪子巷然後銜接這個雪鐵路但是這個案子會貫穿 |
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穿越這個國道1號與高宮局相關這個部分那第二點就是中央應該出力協助的台7市縣閘道拓寬國道1號銜接高鐵特區台7市縣有這個預留斷面是不是可以直接銜接至高鐵站二樓下課區我要強調建議這個拓寬台7市縣閘道提升下閘道往高鐵站的紓解效率 |
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有三項建議因為這個要做的事情太多了第一個就是高鐵東路的閘道由一車道變為三車道我們下閘道的那部分部長你今天早上我們一起搭高鐵上來你很清楚回堵都回堵在那裡 |
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那第二個就是拓寬長度是110米這個部分可以增加儲車空間下閘道車輛可以提早分流可以提升這個右轉來舒緩這個右轉的效率我再強調一次就是說鐵道局的促參案 |
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中央不應該置身事外朝向這兩大方向中央地方都應該要齊心努力共同努力那相關的法規在我剛剛提到的三個方案請問何時可以提供本席這個初步評估的結果報告委員中央沒有置身事外副院長也相當關心我跟副院長也開過會討論過這個問題 |
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鐵道局也召開過三次的會議您也應該相當的清楚所以從來沒有置身事外這件事那第二您所提的這幾個建議都是我們當時在會議當中大家都有討論到的那目前也都在研議的過程不過有一些是市政府必須要去做的努力那市政府就去做但是中央該做的包含委員您剛剛有提到這個高速公路要不要設閘道的部分 |
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中央也會協助來補助地方政府來做這個可行性的研究那如果做出來是可行的我們當然就會來做副院長我們江啟臣副院長4月24號召集我們台中市的委員還有市政府還有交通部鐵道局也有參加鐵道局當天有承諾說要有答應補助這個研究經費研究案的研究經費那什麼時候可以補助他們要先提出申請我們就會盡快補助 |
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都已經提出申請了 怎麼沒有提出申請上次的決議是希望他們提出申請沒有 4月24號我們已經在副院長我們所邀請的這個地方的一個在高鐵站那個案子 當場我們那個鐵道局承諾要盡速的來撥補就是來提供這個經費院長部長 我想我們都要 |
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盡力的來協助好不好我們不要狀況外不要這樣子都好像沒有在online的樣子那我想再來再請教就是說 |
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台中市4月27號在巷上又發生了重大車禍那一輛連結車因為煞車失靈衝下斜坡衝撞20多輛汽機車造成多人輕重傷沒有人願意看到這些意外的發生短中長期計畫我們也都向市府提出建議來逐步改善我從2013年上任之後提案興建大渡和美大橋 |
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那原因就是希望透過和美大橋來分散向上路的大型車的車流如果有和美大橋作為聯絡道未來也可以來嚴禮禁止這些大型重車向西行駛本路段 |
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那直接經由國道3號銜接這個河美交流道後透過河美大橋來進入台中港區那我想當地部長你也很熟悉啦那目前我們已經請市府朝深圳線道路的目標來改善那目前有因為向上路從圓圓路一直到中興橋這個部分 |
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是三級陡坡下交流道後一直到這個沙田路都是下坡路段短程的高架也沒有辦法去緩解下坡路段的情況所以目前請市府朝向銜接台61線的可能性研究但是我們在109年但是因為這個是內政部國土署因為是都市計畫道路那內政部國土署也希望院長能夠指示國土署全力來協助本案的經費 |
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109年市府評估向上路至中興橋總長4公里的這個高架部分當時出估經費就已經將近40億那按照這些年的這些通膨還有上漲的程度我想超過6年了這些造價可能會超過50億而且還只是銜接到中興橋 |
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如果延伸到台六十一線這些經費可能要兩倍以上所以在這邊要先請院長部長承諾願意協助整個向上路高架延伸段到台六十一線的這樣子的可能性院長跟部長你有沒有承諾這兩件事情就是說向上路這個車禍我覺得地方政府要趕快把它的交通號誌標線等等要做好那減少這種安全上的顧慮 |
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那至於說台61線好像跟這裡的距離還是有一點那未來要做怎麼樣的評估因為向上路發生車禍不是今年這是從過去到現在已經發生很多次我們貴院何新淳委員也到現場去會堪但是他提的方案也是過去不管是交通局或者是這些裁判機構都有做出相同的一些處理那所以這個部分其實大家都已經 |
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所有的應用方式都有已經討論過區段測速任何方式都有討論過所以這個部分我想進入高價的這樣的計畫的引領才是主要的方向所以從現在兩個一個是延伸台六十一線那因為如果說只延伸到所謂的中心橋短短的四公里就預算就將近四十億而且這還是六年前的估算 |
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那未來如果你現在去算應該會超過50億啦那如果延伸到台六十一線那個經費更加龐大所以這邊一定要這個台中市沒辦法獨立完成一定要請院長部長來盡力的協助好不好因為我時間有限那我進入下一個本席因為這個收到大客車整體產業公會的陳情 |
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它主要的成全內容是因為政府已經已規定全面採用六期環保高安全標準車業者希望政府進一步補助來提供政策誘因來減輕購車負擔避免影響市場購車意願在不影響用車安全的情況下希望交通部能夠聽到大客車業者的心聲當然第一個主要 |
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一個核心就是民眾的安全第一啦民眾的安全第一我們就來協助大客車整體這些公會他們的 |
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好 謝謝嚴委員 謝謝卓院長剛剛原委提到高鐵台中站周邊交通改善問題的確刻不容晚謝謝部長當時也同意成立中央地方的檢討小組我們希望這個改善速度能夠再加快一點 謝謝下一位我們請陳玉珍委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席,請這個院長請左院長 |
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院長早 院委員好基本早期因為是戰地所以很多的基礎建設都是國防部幫我們做的海岸線因為受軍事管制所以都是比如說我們就不能下海然後很多沿海海岸線的相關產業就不發達了因為是 |
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軍事管制區 散路者格殺勿論我小時候海邊都是有這支所以我們真正的漁港不多到現在來講大概只有三個地方新湖 復國敦跟羅柱所以海上觀光也不大發達現在我們漁船的數量 金門漁船數量總共的數量是兩百多艘 |
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那可以停的這個漁船的這個博位也是大概現在只有170個那當然最近這幾年在我們向中央爭取之下也有逐漸增加那大概也會到200多個但是200多個以後接著最近金門縣政府要開放這個 |
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台灣的漁船入籍到金門所以第一個漁船的博位會不足那更重要的是還有當然漁船這是經濟部漁業署那邊那更重要的是還有交通部管轄的自用小船金門的這個自用小船大概現在有400多艘那現在自用小船的停泊的這個博位有多少呢大概只有大概 |
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今年如果這個金門遊艇基地那個完成以後今年提竣工以後大概可以提供55個位置那九宮碼頭提供15個位置那大概就是70個位置那事實上金門的自用小船大概有400個位置所以我想請問院長是不是支持也請這個部長這邊是不是支持我們金門這個部分你們是不是應該做規劃因為現在的確已經不足了現在自用小船的舶位不足的情況下讓他們跟漁船的這個停泊常常 |
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發生這個糾紛啦就漁船的位置也不夠嘛那自用小船的位置非常不夠那當然自用小船是發展海上觀光的一個要點而且因為金門里大陸距嘛現在有時候小三中介往來有時開始有大陸員因為廈門那邊有香山遊艇啊什麼有時候也願意到坐遊艇到我們金門旅遊坐正常那個客輪以外所以這個部分的話是不是這個我們行政院這邊有沒有什麼做法 |
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興建這個相關的這個國委請部長回答 但是我跟委員報告一件事情行政院對於離島地區能夠發揮離島在地的特色文化的任何的構想我們都願意很 |
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節省的跟大家來討論 這個有助於觀光事業那至於說海港船舶的管理 請部長來說明但是不夠席位啦 碼頭博位不夠報告委員 在111年到115年的這個計畫裡面我們已經補助金門縣政府2.47億元來建設這個博區 來興建55席的博位對我知道 55以後再加15 那個我一樣算給你 |
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現在聽起來是狀況來看還是可能不夠所以我們還是會繼續跟縣政府這邊來溝通有沒有可能我們再增加這樣子的建制現在這個我們原來水頭跟九宮那個地方我們有實際去看交通部也找時間可以請航空局看原來大小金門現在有金門大小原來那個在坐船的那個地方 |
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也就沒有需要大小金門的船嘛那邊就可以在偵測很簡單的就可以很快的偵測一些博位出來讓這個自用小船有停的地方才不會在金門常常有糾紛發生不管自用小船跟漁船就會常常為了搶博位這個東西縣政府也是一定支持只是說 |
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可能是不是動作要快一點 這個經費的部分事實上也不一定需要非常多錢 因為做這個碼頭而已嘛做這個可以挺靠的國衛而已是不是這個規劃是不是可以快一點啊我知道110年到110年有這個規劃 但是55席和15席太少了現在的海上觀光因為小山通開始以後 現在海上觀光也越來越蓬勃發展這是五一的時候 就是剛過去到五一的廉價我們一天就來了四五千個入客 |
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所以這個觀光發展是現在比較蓬勃發展但是就是說漁船還有這個交通自用小船的博位是遠遠不夠啊這個會引起很大的治安糾紛一直發生你盡快找時間是不是我也歡迎您過去啊 |
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我跟部長還沒過去 歡迎您到金門去實際考察看看好 謝謝您那接著我想請教自由貿易港區的問題行政院經貿談判辦公室5月3號有發布新聞稿說我們的團隊 我們政府的團隊已經在美東時間5月1號結束在華府就對等關稅等經貿議題和美國已經完成首輪的實體磋商對吧 |
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這新聞稿有寫嘛是由我們副院長鄭麗君副院長還有我們談判總代表楊正麗帶隊會談氣氛坦誠榮恰雙方都表達對強化台美經貿合作的共同期待是這樣吧是的好 那我想請教您就是談判裡頭當然就是gift take我給你什麼你給我什麼在第一回合談判裡頭我們有沒有獲得具體的降稅承諾 |
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降稅 現在不是要32%嗎原來我們只有很少你既然談判會談氣氛融洽嘛那大家都有共同強化合作的期待那有沒有什麼具體的承諾報告委員 談判是一個整體的過程開始的第一次談判雙方把自己的立場充分交涉之後一定會有下一次更具體的但是有沒有具體的承諾我沒有要你告訴我什麼承諾有沒有獲得什麼具體的承諾 |
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有沒有承諾 至於內容是什麼你因為還在談判你也可以不用告訴我但是有沒有獲得什麼具體的承諾談判一定到最後才能夠依照國際慣例跟雙方的默契所以現在還沒有什麼具體的承諾好 那我們有沒有給他什麼具體的承諾我方有沒有給美方什麼具體的承諾是那句話 談判一定依照國際慣例跟雙方的默契我們在過程當中 |
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都不能說我們有過沒有我沒有叫你告訴我談判的內容是什麼或具體的承諾有沒有在過程中他們有說具體說好你沒有叫我告訴你可是你問的就是這樣子沒有你不用告訴我內容有沒有具體的承諾沒有就對了沒有沒關係談判第一次的過程是交換我們的方案是很具體的我們方案有順遂但對方還沒有承諾還在一個過程還沒有承諾但是有過程而已談判是一個過程現在在過程當中我們已經在相當優先的位置 |
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這幾天我們看到新台幣不停的升值這個是不是我們給美國的承諾 |
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談判的過程沒有涉及任何匯率相關議題所以我們沒有給美國這個承諾說我們這個新台幣沒有談到任何匯率的相關議題沒有談 我就給你機會講清楚因為這兩天這個升值實在是太嚴重了我們行政院的新聞稿對外也甚至講了總統在昨天的講話當中也講了談判過程沒有涉及到任何匯率的相關議題 |
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那如果沒有這樣的話這兩天的這個新台幣匯率這個升值對國內的這個出口產業很多產業影響太大了那你們就既然我們也沒有給美方承諾說我們一定要新台幣升值嘛那你們就應該要有你們的做法出來你們應該就是要看看國內產業受衝擊有多大影響太大很多產業再下去如果繼續這樣往下走的話已經很多產業受不了了這個你也不會比我不了解那我想你這個可能要相當注意 |
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翻新下去就會帶來失業潮很多事情很多工廠可能就沒有辦法往下移然後接著會帶來的後續的很多反應連鎖反應會更大這一點你們要特別注意那當然不管你們有沒有承諾我們反正現在就是相信政府吧來接著我想請問民進黨委員之前一直在講說我所提的那個離島的這個自由貿易港區那我想請問美國貿易代表有沒有在這次會議中有沒有談到我們金門不能成立離島自由貿易港區 |
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這又是談判內容我怎麼會說有沒有呢所以你也不知道對不對你心裡應該知道不可能談到這個細節嘛你不知道細節喔這樣很嚴重喔你心裡應該知道不可能談到這種細節不可能有嘛所以不可能有談到嘛對不對我以為你不知道細節反正不可能談到不可能談到什麼金門城區自由貿易港區嘛那也所以說或者說他關切息產地嘛因為金門還沒有成立嘛所以他關切息產地這個議題嘛息產地違規轉運那就是指那如果關切息產地 |
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如果自由貿易港區對趙民進黨立委的說法是一個可能席產地的地方那我們就要考慮說是現在有的這個自由貿易港區現在自由貿易港區有幾個 您知道嗎七個七個齁 那自由貿易港區成立的先決條件是什麼這個部長知道嗎這應該是要是國際港要去國際港 對 非常正確 要是國際港齁那我想請問一下 自由貿易港區成立後交通費要不要管理啊 |
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自由貿易港區那個地方都是交通部管理的要不要管理?要嘛,對不對?要不要進行業務查核?還是就放任他?我們配合經濟部跟財政部都有在做查核每年都要進行一次查核啦那我也請問,你說要自由貿易港又要是國際港那安平港那時候不是國際港,為什麼也可以成立自由貿易港區?台南安平港台南安平港我們這資料有,我們有去查了 |
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後來港務公司投入 後來才升 後來它整理 喔 還沒有是這樣嗎 後來才那個現在是啦 現在升級啦所以我想請問啦 那我們今天港現在是什麼港國內商港 那我們也可以提升為國際港吧 |
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目前沒有這個討論怎麼會沒有這個討論呢金門現在 你認為金門現在沒有這個需求嗎目前沒有討論金門成為國際商港那我想請問金門現在是什麼港 院長金門現在是什麼港那都是國內商港是國內商港嗎國際商港一定有它的量先不要講量還有重要是航線的安全跟穩定這些都要考慮的我說國際港是國際之間的往來嘛 對不對是不是 國際之間的往來嘛廈門屬於哪一國 |
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中華人民共和國 中華民國 互不隸屬金門已經在走國際航線 |
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走國際航線不一定完全就是一個國際港走國際航線不是國際港所以他沒有成立國際航線我們都在走國際航線了咧他必須要有安全的航道安全航道要注意是你們後來應該那是管理上的問題小三通或是其他的行為這個都是我們雙方在現在這個機制底下去面對 |
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我要講一下我們這個自由貿易港區的申請為什麼要去離島建設條例修這個東西齁這個原因是這樣子如果我們是一個兩岸港或是你說的國內港小山東港不然還有什麼不叫國際港我們就只好修離島建設條例比照自由貿易港區來做自由貿易港好那如果我們不是我們是國際港的話我們就變成國際港我們就可以直接試用我們不用修離島建設條例啊不是 委員你這個邏輯錯不是修 |
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離島條例讓他成為國際港是必須國際港的條件我們現在來做配套我們修離島階段條例就是要修一個特別法讓他適用因為我們既然被你們認為不是交通部認為基本不是國際港所以我們就修一個特別法在離島階段條例以後比照自貿港的條例 |
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原來的一樣東西搬到離島街條裡頭我們就可以試用嘛那如果你們認為我們是國際港我們連修都不用修我們就試用就好了我們就直接試用國際港的自由貿易港的辦法就好了嘛所以我很想知道我們明確定位是什麼既然賴總統我非常尊重賴總統而且我相信我們的總統既然賴總統您剛剛 還有院長您剛剛也說了廈門是中華人民共和國金門是中華民國而且賴總統說兩邊互不隸屬嘛 |
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那不就兩國與國之間的關係就是國際港國和國之間不叫國際叫什麼咧所以我們基本也是一個國際港啊所以就是基於這種地位的特殊當初設立的小山東等等就是跑這個地位特殊關係特殊的狀況之下沒有 你剛才也說啦 既然中華人民共和國和中華民國是互不隸屬嘛 對不對 |
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我也說了國際港他必須要安全穩定的安全是後來的事情安全是管理的問題現在金門是不是在對方艦機經常侵擾的情況底下他是不是安全穩定他除了中華人民共和國跟中華民國來往之外他會不會有其他第三國家來參與呢軍機更常侵擾台灣本島啊 |
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那這些港口都不能變成國際港港有很多第三國家會來參與會來進出 你了解我意思嗎我們也可以變國際港 香港的船也可以過來來我講到這個我舉例金門的機場就有國際包機啊日本飛機也來飛啊 越南也來飛啊我們都會去越南的啊你不是先想說我們要先有這個條件成為嘛然後後面的管理是後面的事情嘛 對不對你要先給我們這個機會嘛 |
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要循序漸進那你要怎麼樣讓我們循序漸進我們要爭取這個 你要怎麼樣讓我們循序漸進我可以不要在離島建設條例修啊但是你要讓我變成國際港 或你幫我升格啊安平港就是升格的啊或者你就把我認為現在就是國際港委員提出的離島建設條例 其中並不只有這個重點 |
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對 可以討論 所有的法令都是可以討論的好不好 修法就是一個討論 民主就是討論的過程我的意思就是說 如果這樣子 因為按照賴總統的意思我們現在就是國際港了啊 你剛剛有回答我啊中華民國和中華人民共和國 那國和國之間往來怎麼不叫國際呢?因為修法提出來就是一個討論的過程 就很多委員討論是反對的 |
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我們都會強力的管制 |
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你聽我講 當然要管制啊越南跟泰國離中國道很遠啊不是被洗產地你不會因為我們地理位置比較近就說我們會洗產地那高雄 安平 基隆 台北港我都有去看過啊他們就不會洗產地只有我們金門會洗產地我跟你講金門才不會洗產地因為金門地方很小每個人都幾乎彼此認識只要有人做洗產地 馬上今天做明天就會被抓啦我跟你講金門就是這種很小的地方啊做不了什麼壞事的地方啊 |
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所以金門反而是一個很好管制的地方真的 金門就是一個這樣的地方我認識你三代 你認識我五代這種地方所以很容易管制我也不反對 本來就要管制我也剛說最後馬上要 江湖每一年每個月都要去查核我們支持啊 |
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我們只是想祈求跟台灣本島這些港口有一樣的地位而已我們不是想要特別做什麼你知道嗎我們只是祈求你給我們這樣的機會而已對於離島的特色文化行政院都願意支持所以這個發揮觀光發揮商業活動的可能性我們都願意支持那這個要循序漸進 按部就班的討論在國家安全情況底下我們要列為優先重點那幫我們升為國際港好嗎 升格這個要循序漸進 按部就班的討論 |
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第一個計畫嗎?好,謝謝陳委員,也謝謝卓院長報告院會休息10分鐘,休息之後繼續進行質詢,現在休息 |
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主席 福音同仁大家好我們首先請我們卓院長跟陳部長 |
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請卓院長跟陳部長備詢 |
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本席今天針對交通安全跟觀光的議題來跟你們做個討論我們現在已經邁入了高齡社會根據內政部的資料統計目前65歲以上的老人已經達到了429萬 |
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6,985人那佔全國總人口的18%那以這樣的速度我們應該很快的就會進入超高齡社會20%的這個比例我想很快就會到了所以今天本席想要針對高齡族群的交通事故來跟您做個討論 |
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高齡者一直是交通事故的高風險群我們在人行步道、公車站牌跟失能老人的接送基本上很不友善老人的視力跟體能所以我們在高齡化的社會老人的人數不斷地成長當然我們應該要有更符合高齡人口生活的環境比如建置完善的人行道或者是適合老人行動的公共設施 |
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那麼本席這邊要提醒一下整個交通部在老人設施的這個部分目前的一個做法所以依據數據我們看到高齡機車騎士的死傷案件比前一年增加了2574件 |
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高齡者在路口的交通事故也比前一年增加了2005件整體高齡者死傷的人數年增2981人已經快3000了行人總死傷的人數總共17000多件但是高齡者就佔了6195件比例是非常高的將近三分之一 |
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這樣子的數字背後呈現了整個趨勢的成長但是這不是偶然的那交通部目前的狀況呢依本席所知道是以宣導跟增設標誌來處理問題那這樣子似乎有點消極那長者現在已經是一個高風險群那也由於他們的整個機能的問題呢我們交通環境好像沒有跟上人口結構的改變那院長您的看法呢 |
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非常謝謝委員為我們這種族群65歲以上的高齡者的安全來設想那其實我們在討論過程當中年輕的族群 |
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在騎機車跟高齡的在交通事故上面都有呈現很高的一個數字那高齡的尤其在清晨去運動的時候發生的狀況也非常多那他騎車的時候有些自己本身的條件或是疏離住也很多所以我們就從各方面來討論過我們在路口安全行人安全跟改善路口計畫當中我們多次都討論到這樣相關的議題那是不是部長能夠再仔細的說明一下 |
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所以你們現在比較具體的一個做法是?您所提到的這個人行的空間這個相當的重要所以我們在永續提升人行安全計畫裡面我們四年其實會投入400億的這個經費我們希望讓人行道的建置能夠更加的完整在過馬路行穿線的部分也要更加的完整至少你們現在在經費上有投入嘛那本行這邊還是提醒 |
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在高齡的部分要更加的做一個規劃像我們的整個行人道的高低不平這個問題我想大家都知道常常走路的時候就阻礙重重另外有一個很重要的就是說我們的耗製燈高齡者平均每秒的速度是0.8公尺到1公尺但是我們的整個設計大概都是1.2公尺的一個耗製秒數所以這個部分應該更具體的來做一個改善 |
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另外目前的自行車道規劃感覺還是以汽機車為規劃的主體所以在日常的通行跟休閒的安全需求也是非常高你們有沒有可能針對高齡友善的交通來把它置放在一個國家戰略的核心進行部會系統性的改造來跨部會來做一個處理跟整理有沒有這個可能 |
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我們多年前就有透過一個高齡駕駛健康檢查跟評估制度從他本身的條件來做起那我們希望高齡 比方說我們曾經討論過除了耗資標示之外的這個加強之外如果早晨要不要給他身上有一個什麼樣的標示 |
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地方政府執行多年這個成效都不好所以必須要找出其他的方式所以本席這邊建議在那個道安長照社福跟都市規劃的相關單位應該做一個跨部會的處理跟整合因為這些地方是高齡人口經常會去走動的那您剛才講的是時間上的問題那但是有沒有可能做一個高齡人口活動熱區的道路安全總體的一個檢討 |
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然後至少我們讓他在生活上跟交通安全上能夠扣連在一起去減低高齡人口這個交通事故的一個比例這個部分可以嗎您的這個建議其實非常好我可以請運輸研究所來做這方面的研究如果在高齡者比較有在行動的熱區的部分我們對於當區的整體的交通該怎麼做改善我覺得這個應該會相當有意義 |
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8627.91 |
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那這個部分我也提醒您是不是應該定一個改善的期程比如說哪一年你要做到高齡事故的一個減半計畫因為您剛才也投入了一些經費那或者是仿效國外的這個Vision Zero這樣子的一個零事故死亡的政策那可能期程要比較具體的訂定出來您如果投入的是四年的經費那短中長期大概每一段時間要進行到哪裡 |
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8628.69 |
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我想比較具體這個部分我們其實是針對整體的行人安全跟整體的交通安全在做改善您剛剛所提醒的就是說針對高齡者要不要再做更特別的規劃這個部分我們會再規劃道安的比例也是非常高就是他們碰到事故的比例非常高就是機車老人跟酒駕都是相當高的一個造勢的狀態這個部分其實這幾年的改善 |
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已經有看到一些成效也確實都在下降當中數據看起來都在下降當中但是您所提醒的高齡者的部分我們會另外再來做研究看怎麼樣再來提升他們的安全對 就針對這個部分可能要有一個具體的時程所以道路不只是移動的空間也是生活的延伸所以剛才本席才針對高齡者會活動的這些場域希望你們做一個總檢討跟整體的設計 |
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好那您剛才其實也提到酒駕或者是我們未來要探討的一個危險駕駛的這個部分那111年警察交通執法與事故處理的滿意度調查其中很多人對於這個危險駕車有一些怨言那大概100人當中會有40人那依照警政署去年的一個 |
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通報的統計危險駕車的汽車違規佔比有7乘5那麼不遵行方向行駛的機車違規佔比有8乘4那另外呢汽車佔比這個高項目的是危險駕車有75.32然後超出速限的有40公里以下的佔了72.79這一些數據其實代表了危險駕駛 |
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跟危險駕車是民眾一直所在意的也凸現了我們的交通環境中危險車型的一個制度性問題那是不是目前你們有沒有在研議科技執法上以及提高刑責來產生嚇阻的一個作用呢 |
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報告委員 這個部分科技執法其實警政署跟地方政府已經有在執行那執行看起來成效也都還不錯那另外就是說針對教育的層面我們也在做努力工程的層面我們也在做努力對 本席其實有做一個提案也是就是把那個交通安全的這個教育列到我們很基本的這個教育裡面讓大家對於空間開始慢慢有一些感覺跟看法 |
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8769.835 |
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好那我引用一下交通部你們大灣司的這個相關的數據大型車的這個案件比去年同時期增加了137件那整體來講有13736件那這個的例子就跟去年東海大學的那個女大學生被輾過被大型車輾過的狀況一樣因為大型車有很多的死角那去年這個事故最主要是大型車沒有看到她又輾了一次結果 |
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8818.695 |
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一條美麗的生命就這樣子沒有了所以大型客車的事故的致死率比一般汽車機車都來得高所以我們有沒有思考現行大型車輛駕駛訓練的標準能不能應付很多元的道路的狀況尤其是在繁忙的時間跟路段比較複雜行駛時的一個挑戰呢 |
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8821.274 |
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8849.355 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
報告委員 我們針對這個小型車跟大型車都一樣我們現在正在做這個整體駕訓的檢討駕訓機制所以也可能駕訓的這個部分會有一些調整當你駕訓的機制做檢討跟調整之後他之後的這個客運的司機駕駛啦他的整體的訓練就會不一樣那這是一方面那二方面我們針對公司也就是在監理的層面針對客運公司的要求也希望他們能夠落實到要求我們的客運的駕駛 |
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8867.649 |
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對於一些我們新的規則的要求要落實那還有他們的開車習慣我們從司機的職開始做一個整體的調整跟改變那當然你們在外部的環境像你們要針對駕駛行為然後另外制度也是有一些需要改進的嘛 |
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那道路的設計還有交通文化的這個部分我覺得這樣比較治本而不是只有治標所以你們是不是有制定長期的計畫特別是針對青少年跟新駕駛人的這個交通安全的宣導活動不知道你們有沒有這個短中長期的計畫 |
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8911.255 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
報告委員 這個計畫我們都有運研所前一陣子才做出一套系統我們針對國小跟國中跟高中用一種沉浸式的一個模式透過平板讓他學習在道路上包含走路要怎麼走 怎麼樣過馬路然後怎麼樣才會安全謝謝部長您剛才有提到包含騎摩托車也都有全部都有融入到教育的層面你有提到平板不過本席認為真正在實地空間的這樣一個模擬跟訓練是重要的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
8941.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
要不然有些東西我們看了但是碰到了實際的狀況那個反應是不一樣的我們在各個縣市其實也盡量在建設交通安全的學習的園區這個學習的園區就是要讓我們的年輕人或者是小朋友在那個園區可以學習到實際在道路上可能會遇到的狀況所以這一點把本席的建議納入進去對於空間的實際感覺是很重要的是 沒有錯好 謝謝 |
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那接下來呢本席要為地方來請命因為過去本席在嘉義工作本席就發現因為常常有這樣子走動的機會所以呢嘉義市是目前全國唯一沒有跟高鐵連接的軌道城市那這個問題很久了那這個問題很奇怪的不是單純只有行政的問題喔而是中央對於區域交通的這個正義跟公義還有產業平衡的這個發展還有對歷史的承諾其實都有一點點狀況 |
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| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
8998.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
所以高鐵嘉義市線是唯一沒有軌道連結的運輸系統你可以想像一個每年超過630萬人次的高鐵站竟然沒有一個軌道系統來連結不是很奇怪嗎這樣的斷點如果依照我們的了解是中央規劃有一些缺失還有長年政策的失衡的結果 |
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| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
9022.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
其實交通部在民國88年就已經完成嘉義高鐵連外道路的可行性評估那也明確的表示呢當時高鐵局長明確的表示那個運量達到的之後呢就要進行鋪設結果行政院在94年更直接合附交通部來辦理BRT的階段性方案這就是我們目前在搭的 |
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9022.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
9050.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
那這個BRT呢其實現在運量已經每一年都達到130萬人次尖峰時段還常常都客滿那本席也常常搭不到所以這個部分呢本席因為問了所以才發現那中央竟然說在這個軌道的部分要地方政府來分擔這似乎有一點奇怪不知道部長您對這個事情的看法如何報告委員輕軌系統跟捷運系統都是地方辦理事項所以各個縣市都一樣本席這邊可能先提醒 |
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全國的高鐵的軌道系統應該大部分都是由中央這邊全額來負擔的這是依照大眾捷運法的第13條的這樣一個規定你們卻應該用這樣子的一個高度來看全國的一個軌道的網絡 |
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但是BRT現在的運量已經足夠了嘛結果你們現在竟然叫他們用一個下位的審查作業要點的規範叫地方政府來做負擔我想這個部分針對所有的高鐵與連外的軌道似乎對嘉義縣市有一些不公平 您的看法呢 |
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報告委員 這個其實各縣市都一樣只要是輕軌跟捷運系統但是它這個輕軌是從是高鐵延伸出去的一個網絡從高鐵嘉義站到台鐵嘉義站我想這個部分中央應該難辭其咎吧 |
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9118.973 |
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您的看法呢報告委員這個部分當然嘉義縣市自己也要有共識因為目前我聽起來嘉義縣政府他們當然是樂觀其成但是對於經費上面他們也是有一些意見所以本席這邊提醒您 |
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他的軌道像新竹的六家支線台中的捷運路線還有台南的沙崙支線還有機場線這些其實都是中央這個出資來興建的把嘉義縣市排除在外有點不公平是不是可以請你們再努力做一個討論規劃然後跟研議呢一個癥結 這個工程款是374億 |
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9142.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
9159.188 |
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如果中央可以負擔的話是工程款本身的372億地方只負責用地費用的0.66億跟嘉義縣的0.94億他們都不注意中央可以負擔372億但是連這樣都談不攏都要中央全額負擔 |
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所以中央有沒有可能跟嘉義市這邊再來共同研議這樣一個的可能性等一下等一下那個院長 財化法是今年的事情那我們剛才談的其實是好幾年前的事好不好 做一個研議好嗎不要拿現在的變數把過去的東西都全部抹滅掉這我給你們一個建議啦 大家再來談談看好不好好 中央有一個 |
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9210.979 |
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第二位 |
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然後第二個很重要一點我上禮拜參加了聖戶蘭西遊客週期的開幕我要跟你們提醒的是雖然你們未來在公共藝術的意象上有原住民但是不要忘了原先的原住民的意象是非常明顯的本期在這邊跟你們討論跟建議原住民的意象不能小於之前的原住民的意象那是我們共同的記憶有沒有可能 |
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謝謝林委員謝謝卓院長下一位請林佩祥委員質詢主席在場的媒體先進好朋友有請卓院長請卓院長備詢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
9295.891 |
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林委員好院長剛剛好剛剛前面是林倩琦委員在質詢那我記得沒有錯的話在4月29號的時候林委員也一樣的問到了同樣的一個問題本席是基隆市出來的立法委員那也剛好說 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
9296.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
9323.777 |
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我們基隆市在2021年的時候我們的這個李楊跟王麒麟得到了第一面的奧運冠軍那2024年我們又纏連世界冠軍當時之前的蔡前總統跟賴總統都答應過要給我們基隆市的暖暖區一個羽球國手訓練中心那2021年到現在那我知道說林陽配都要退休了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
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那他們這次要宣布退休了可是我們這個羽球國手訓練中心仍是遙遙無期我想請問這個院長請問您知道這個案子嗎報告委員體育署跟羽球協會都有積極在辦理這件事情所以現在是針對國立基隆高中要興建一個羽球專項的一個訓練館經費也初步的核列是3.5億 |
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要建12面的這個球場但是現在因為未來像這種不是單屬於學校的運動設施都會移給未來的運動部所以容許我們在運動部成立的時候會把它納入先期的計畫好 謝謝我希望說運動部如果可以的話我會希望說早一點讓它成型 |
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我會納入新奇的計畫因為我會認為是說到目前雖然林洋沛已經退休了但是我們的羽球在國際之間還是相對比較起來算是一個強勢的運動那老實講中華民國台灣在世界上強勢運動並不多那我們也因為是強勢的運動所以我們有很多的國際人才來到我們台灣來去做這個羽球方面的訓練所以我想把這個好的已經獲得優勢的這個運動繼續把它持續下去 |
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兩位國手雖然退休但他們為國家跟世界創造的歷史跟紀錄永遠深植人心我們一定會把這個事情很徹底的完成那如果運動部一旦成立那麻煩請這個當作請院長這邊承諾說我說我承諾我把它列為優先的項目也謝謝委員繼續的支持 謝謝那第二個案子就順便要有請陳士凱部長一起來這個案子其實是我 |
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9438.192 |
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去年在交通委員會的時候有跟陳世凱部長提過但是我會認為說這個案子可能特地也要請院長支持因為這個案子可是當初我們在談論的時候是因為去年風災所以造成鐵路淹水然後造成說過去五年以來 |
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9439.168 |
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9457.36 |
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這邊已經發生這個平交道已經發生了20起的交通事故其實很嚴重但是後來當我一直當我去回顧過去還有回顧說過去的一切這些這些不管是交通事故也好還是都市發展也好甚至有關台鐵的目前狀況的時候我跟陳士凱部長那時候也有提過 |
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這個案子我會希望說我們真的能夠來推動雖然只是從外觀看起來只是單純的說鐵路外移從目前最容易淹水最容易發生事故的地方直接外移出去可能也要看我們交通部的交通部未來的規劃但是實質上如果成功的話我記得有其他委員在質詢的時候有關台鐵到台鐵霧點尤其是花東上來台鐵霧點的狀況其實是與其說我們增快速度 |
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9510.038 |
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倒不如說我們減低霧點率倒不如說我們能夠用減低霧點率的方式來增加班次這個可能這種截彎取直的方式我想去年我們在 今年還是去年在交通委員會我們有討論過那我想在這邊就是請院長是否能夠贊成這個鐵路外移的計畫然後並指示交通部跟台鐵各相關單位好好來做一個可行性評估呢 |
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9511.128 |
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9539.982 |
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請交通部先說明報告委員這個部分可能要連同我們目前短期先做的是讓他這個排水先做好不要發生淹水委員你有提到這個淹水的問題確實也是困擾著台鐵所以排水的部分我們先來努力短期來看是這個樣子那如果中長期的話因為如果是路線的遷移的話或者是外推的話有可能會牽涉到徵收或者是拆民房的問題這個問題會比較複雜一點所以我們在希望說有沒有可能 |
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9556.137 |
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我們朝向整個這個立體化的可能性來討論這個部分可能會相對是務實一點那不過可行性研究的部分我們會願意來協助基隆市政府來辦理可行性研究如果他們認為可行的話他們先來做可行性研究我們一起來努力這一段 |
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我是這邊比較期待說如果可以的話是由中央單位來做這個可行性評估因為這主要是整個台鐵而且這個台鐵的功能主要是說當然對基隆市絕對有幫助我是基隆的委員我當然要幫基隆多爭取一點 |
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9592.627 |
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但是我們也知道說在北部目前我們遇到台鐵沒有不好目前台鐵的運行都還算不錯尤其是在台北應該是從桃園以北基本上都算是台鐵的黃金路線而且他們的營運也好不管是營利還是營運也好都是很好的但是最被人家詬病的反而是霧點綠 |
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也就是有時候就是車子到了台北可是因為要讓其他的線先行那如果所以說我會覺得說與其說再重新建鐵路倒不如說結完曲直在基隆這一段我覺得結完曲直的措施是很可取的而且這個能夠實質上再不 |
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在不去做大量的改動之前然後能夠把整個鐵路的運行變得更通暢我覺得這一點來講我會希望說我們能夠知道我們整個行政院的支持來去做這個計畫當然我是比較期待說如果可以的話我們在一年之內能夠提出所謂的可行性評估然後我們再來規劃一步一步規劃後面的規劃設計因為這一點來講 |
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9638.821 |
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9664.934 |
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對於我個人來講當然我才是第一年的立法委員但是我的前輩們不管是之前的謝國良委員 劉文雄委員甚至徐少平委員 甚至王拓委員甚至張建華委員他們對這個案子其實曾經都有提過只是說我覺得現在已經到一個程度台鐵已經saturated已經飽和到一種程度我們是否可以利用這種方式來增加台鐵的使用率請問院長您認為呢報告委員 |
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如果是立體化的話是可以比較徹底解決整體的問題如果是外移的話其實過去20年大家都在努力但是確實也遇到一些問題我剛剛有提過就是說有可能會遇到拆遷的問題也有可能會遇到用地的問題這個部分的問題其實不太容易克服如果容易克服的話應該早就已經移動了所以立體化的部分我們是這樣希望因為如果是立體化委員可以接受的話 |
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通常立體化的可行性評估都是地方政府來做不過這個經費中央可以協助這個協助補助的部分我們會來協助那如果有關立體化有關更細節的有關更細節的有關立體化的一些計畫我可能麻煩交通部要跟我再多多聯繫一下 |
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9728.978 |
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然後再來其實還是有關鐵路的議題那這個議題就相對比較大雖然只是單純是所謂的七堵到基隆之間的地下化但是實質上來講也是因為整個北台灣其實到目前為止 |
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| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
9745.536 |
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台灣的發展來講以北部從台北以北基本上來講從內湖、南港、汐止現在已經到另外一種整個產業跟土地都在飽和的狀態了但是如果說當我們仔細看這個所謂的北台灣河谷狼帶的時候 |
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其實很重要的一塊就是鐵路其實把基隆很多最精華的地也甚至說未來可以產業發展地全部把它吃掉了而也是因為這一塊那如果我們可以做出所謂的鐵路地下化以前很多以前一般以前的這些基隆市民意代表他們提的鐵路地下化通常只是從八堵開始下去但是事實上來講我們知道以我自己的了解鐵路地下化如果從八堵下去的話其實這個 |
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坡度是不夠的 變成說在起來的時候鐵路是無法起來的所以必須從更遠的地方這樣去做但是從七堵下去的時候所騰出來的空地剛好也可以幫我們北台灣各方面的科技園區我記得當初有一個所謂的北台灣海洋門戶科技計畫之類的我記得好像是在前瞻計畫裡面曾經提過那這方面當初是以鐵路旁邊所有的地來去做規劃但是如果我們把鐵路拿掉 |
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| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
9832.376 |
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不只是對基隆市對整個北台灣的發展在未來都很有前瞻性是真正的前瞻性因為當我們看到內湖南港天天在塞車天天產業都想記住內湖南港但是在繼續往下發展的時候沒有地那變成是說北台灣的發展就到此為止嗎還是說因為一個鐵路的存在而沒有辦法繼續讓我們產業整塊地都變得很漂亮如果只是單純的以河谷的發展來講的話這從 |
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9834.777 |
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內湖、南港、汐止帶來到五堵在五堵、七堵、基隆這整片地出來的時候這才是我們期待看到的從基隆為台灣頭來控整塊直接變成一個我們台灣的亮點但是這一點現在因為過去鐵路的發展在我們中華民國的發展史上有絕對有很大的功勞 |
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9877.699 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
但是現在似乎要轉型的時候所以這邊的話我這邊正式在這邊提出說能不能請金正恩好好考慮從基隆市到七堵之間台北、七堵、基隆從七堵這邊直接鐵路地下化之後把這邊我們看到所有的廊帶把它空出來 |
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9888.649 |
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為什麼我對這件事情我非常的上心因為如果成功的話我常常有一個比較不好的比喻就是說基隆市的臉是有一條疤的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
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這條巴叫做鐵路變成基隆市的市容我想 卓院長我們第一次認識的時候是在基隆我是在站入口 你看我過來這邊拜票那士凱兄就不用講 你是怕誰怕誰我就不用講那麼多但是我們都覺得說基隆一個低山傍海的城市為什麼會看到說 怎麼覺得有點缺陷其實缺陷的原因就是說基隆市的市容其實被這個鐵路一分為二 |
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| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
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變成說因為有鐵路的存在所以變成是基隆市的發展沒有辦法變成很完整的這塊地這句話是當初以前已故的張榮發張總裁跟我提過他說基隆市很可惜他一直都說你從31號橋上面左右看的時候你會看到基隆市市中心有很大的一塊地同樣的你從七堵那邊看的時候你也發現說如果能夠把鐵路拿開的話我們整塊地的規劃會是不一樣 |
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從我的角度來看的話當然我們知道說七堵的鐵路如果拿開之後不只是對捷運比較方便對於整個城市發展比較方便但是這一塊如果真的拿開因為以前不敢做不是不行只是以前不敢做因為鐵路的依賴性還夠但是當我們知道現在鐵路的依賴性已經慢慢慢慢減少成通勤的時候其實我們可以考慮說能不能就直接從七堵站開始直接往下挖到基隆火車站 |
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這樣來做的時候這整塊地各位這整塊地你要做TOD也好你要做捷運站也好你要去發展產業也好你要去做社會住宅也好你要去發展任何的工業任何的產業都很有機會因為這塊地夠大 |
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如果說仔細看的話從薩契亞那邊一過山洞之後整塊地所謂的都市對於基隆市對我一個基隆長大的小孩來講都市縫合把這個鐵路拿掉把我們市容恢復讓基隆整塊來做開發我認為這是我覺得說我身為基隆人我在這邊一定要建請我們行政院好好納入考量的地方甚至如果您贊同我的想法把北台灣做大 |
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只要把鐵路地下化我們真的有機會把北台灣做大我們現在看到的瓶頸就是到了汐止之後好像沒什麼地了那如果說基隆可以發展起來旁邊的七星區金山萬里九份瑞芳金瓜石這邊全部都會在一起起來因為以基隆為一個hub老實講我想士凱兄也知道基隆本身就是這個七星區的hub如果基隆發展起來再輻射出去的時候那不管是說金山萬里也好還是瑞芳貢寮也好未來發展性才有 |
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那這一塊如果說我們真的要再去做大眾運輸工具不管捷運還是輕軌如果沒有地那都很可惜可是現在這塊地在哪裡在鐵路上面但如果鐵路不是不要鐵路我完全不認同說所謂捷運換台鐵這句話我完全不能認同因為這樣子是無法把城市縫合而且實質上來講對大眾運輸的效用不彰但是如果鐵路地下化 |
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其實對於不是只有單單純純對大眾運輸而已而是對於我們台灣整個的發展就會變得不一樣院長您認為是這樣嗎謝謝委員從各國的發展來看軌道建設如果單靠交通的建設來營運很辛苦 |
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它靠的一定是周遭的物業管理跟整體開發所以我們已經有這個鐵路平交道跟環境改善建設跟周邊土地開發計畫的一個整個作業標準但是我知道七堵段的地下化 |
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這應該要由市政府先來做可行性評估我所知道目前消防部說明一下是不是還沒有啟動這樣的可行性評估消防部說明一下沒有錯其實跟委員報告我剛剛有說過就是鐵路的立體化不管是高架或者是地下化這個部分都必須要先做可行性評估而可行性評估的啟動單位其實是地方政府那如果地方政府願意啟動這樣子的計畫我們就有機會來討論這件事情 |
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那吸堵的部分相對特別一點因為委員是基隆在地的也很清楚您會提到那塊地就是因為我們旁邊還有一個台鐵的吊車場所以才會有一塊很大的用地不是只有單純一個鐵軌經過而已所以這個吊車場也是我們必須要評估的一個議題就是吊車場如果不在那裡那我們要設在哪裡 |
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當然如果你的軌道地下化之後吊車廠要整個地下化的機率是不高但是要找地方所以這個部分沒有關係議題可以一個一個來解套想辦法但是啟動的部分要拜託委員也跟市政府提一下如果他們願意啟動我們是願意來補助這個可行性評估的經費的 |
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為什麼本席會把這件事很上心我的個性是我不喜歡去占人家便宜就算是已經走掉的人這個是當初劉文雄委員我記得沒有說話第一個我聽到是劉文雄委員我不知道張建華委員有沒有提 |
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這個案子如果能夠成功的話我們都希望基隆市能夠完全的改頭換面但是老實說基隆市我記得沒有錯的話基隆市100塊土地裡面有94塊山坡地只有6塊平地6塊平地裡面有3塊是 |
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港務局跟港務公司的所以說這一點來講我們就很有這個必要性去想辦法去生地出來所以當我聽到這個計畫的時候我希望我的自己的故鄉能夠變更漂亮我也希望說這個故鄉大家來的時候 |
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大家能夠喜歡 能夠開心更重要是說整個都市的發展老實講如果沒有地有再先進的技術有再先進的觀念其實對這個城市都不會有幫助而目前來講北台灣我個人認為我們在北台灣的發展已經到一個瓶頸也就是說真的因為地理環境地形就是這樣子路廊就是這樣你不管在哪個地方北台灣的發展程度在其他國家也是比較起來我去過的國家裡面 |
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也算是非常非常的saturated就是非常非常擁擠的所以說如果我們台灣要再去把自己的餅做大尤其在北台灣可能基隆的發展尤其是我們剛剛提這個地下化地下化的目的就是把地空出來那不管是基於商業利益還是基於說城市發展還是基於說未來整個生活型態的改變我覺得這一塊來講我們都不能忽視因此我會把這件事情在這個總質詢的時候特技拿出來談 |
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好 再來其實是另外一個議題其實這個議題就更大了一點也就是我是基隆人那基隆市的存在是因為基隆港但是基隆市跟基隆港兩邊其實的關係其實很特別理論上應該是共生但是因為當初這個 |
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中央政府跟地方政府他們的港務局我記得沒有錯到目前為止港務公司跟航港局還是立處於中央那跟其他的國家不一樣其他的國家我記得像是洛杉磯還是洛杉磯跟香港還有巴塞隆納他們三個都是四港合一 |
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那我知道說有很多時空背景有很多歷史淵源所以四港合一這件事情在台灣不容易被執行但是四港雖然不能在行政命令上面合一但是在於發展上面應該是趨於一致所以說這邊就想請問部長說未來針對基隆港的發展請問部長跟請問院長請問您對基隆港未來的發展你有什麼想像 |
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基隆港最近幾年的變化相當的大尤其是成為若干這個郵輪的母港之後它未來的加速建設成為必要的途徑所以軍港西遷之後移出來的這個威海營區將來我們也是在今年就開始要做一些相關的可行性評估希望在四年之後它能夠就整個營區做整體規劃上面就能夠開始事半營運那細節的部分是不是交通部要補充 |
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是 報告委員 威海營區你也相當熟 應該是從小看到大那目前這塊地我們確實要做BOT的這個促參的這個案子啦那交通部也已經授權給這個航港局來做這方面的進行那目前也有一些進度我們在114年 也就是今年的4月30號已經召開過公聽會做都市計畫的審查的部分要開始做作業啦那另外我們也跟基隆市政府其實有共組這個 |
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推動的小組推動的小組目前正在規劃說這塊地未來要怎麼樣運用會比較好因為基隆的腹地小像委員剛剛所提的他的腹地確實是不夠非常小那他需要其實基隆的鄉親需要很多的商業空間觀光客也需要很多的採購也好或者是餐飲的空間甚至是旅宿的空間這些都是會納入我們這塊BOT的想像裡面那目前正在推動當中 |
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謝謝院長跟部長的回答為什麼會把這件事特地提出來因為我那個時候參加這個就在4月30號有參加他這個BOT的公聽會公聽會本身的內容我其實沒有意見不太大但是我比較擔心的事情就是在於說因為我自己在港務公司待過我在港務公司五六年那我那時候就是做國際行銷的我想部長應該是我們曾經在去年在交通委員會裡面常常聊到這一塊但是 |
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因為我們另外一方面因為說現在我們的觀光其實不好意思我們今天就不要再談觀光目前觀光產業變成觀光產業這件事情那這件事情是我們所有人的痛但是也另外一方面證實了我曾經聽過的一句話說你如果一個城市只把觀光拿來做最主要的這個經濟引擎的話會有很高的風險因為你不知道什麼時候觀光客不來 |
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老實講這就是為什麼我覺得現在台灣也好 基隆也好我們現在我們常講說我們要發展觀光發展觀光是好事但是如果發展觀光的話尤其是在水岸開發的話你沒有人潮你就沒有錢潮 |
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而如果以水萬開發來講的話怎麼樣讓當地的居民能夠多involve能夠多進來這個場域裡面然後甚至願意多消費但是怎麼樣形式的消費那其實是我們之後再來討論的但是他們只要有意願多來你有人潮你才會有錢潮如果說你連local的人都不來的話你就不可能讓全國的人過來 |
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如果你全國的人不來的話你就不會讓外國人過來所以變成是說我們在我自己在港澳公司曾經在任職的時候我們在去做整個交通規劃的時候在做整個交通規劃的時候我就很納悶就是說很多人會把這個郵輪母港這件事情把它放得很重 |
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但是事實上來講我去過巴塞隆納、新加坡、香港跟好幾個地方的郵輪母港基本上那邊都是沒有人的甚至我記得好像是去年的五月份的新聞香港啟德碼頭香港啟德郵輪碼頭已經證實他們的使用率太低變成是說他們這一塊很有可能他們要放棄變成這個是他們啟德碼頭是本來啟德機場重新建出來的他們變成郵輪碼頭之後但是營運不佳 |
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不是他們不努力請不要懷疑說香港嚴格講起來他們的Fly Crew這個方面都比我們強太多但是尷尬的是說游輪碼頭就是當下的人很多他們也不想留 馬上就離開所以當我一直聽到說要跟游輪母港去做連結的時候其實我很擔心 |
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因為基隆這個東1到東6到東8碼頭未來如果說真的都沒有郵輪母港的話那其實有一天沒一天我們都知道郵輪季可能就是週末有人可是平常沒人但是既然我們要發展的話或許把它拿來當郵輪母港 |
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或許我覺得要請行政院再三考量以前我在這邊在基隆市議會講這些話的時候我都直接被我的同僚說你不要懷疑中央的政策但是我在這邊身為一個基隆人我一定要提出來如果說與其成為遊輪母港倒不如說你變成油氣港尤其變成水岸開發讓大家變成有清水空間清水的環境那個其實比較有商機那個也對於整個港口比較負責 |
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基隆港其實有很多從過去到現在基隆港除了原物料沒有從基隆港上之外就是像大理石之類從花蓮港之外基隆港什麼功能都有軍港 商港 漁港 油氣港你想到什麼都有什麼但是也尷尬的就是基隆港很小基隆港其實真的很小所以這一點來講我們今天不用去談說需不需要再去dredging需不需要再去做巡深的動作但是只是單純的如果以水岸開發來講尤其是說 |
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我記得上禮拜中森跟康榮也就是日本的國會議員剛好他們有幸來基隆然後我們有在聊到他說基隆給他感覺真的蠻像Yokohama像橫濱的感覺因為全世界很少有幾個港口有幾個城市港口就在城市中心然後船直接進來但是尷尬的就是說我說基隆可以變Yokohama也可以變Baltimore就是巴爾蒂摩巴爾蒂摩其實做得沒有很好 |
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這點來講為什麼這邊特意提出來就要請行政院去考慮說我們到底要成為什麼樣的海港城市 |
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因為海洋國家門戶北部海洋國家門戶這句話其實有點重但是如果說北部海洋國家門戶我們希望他長得什麼樣子那我們希望是什麼樣呈現說不只是說其實我還是回到一句話如果觀光只做外國客的話那對本國客其實我們台灣消費能力其實不差但是如何他們願意回來的時候在基隆也可以消費 |
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而不是都跑到台北消費那我覺得可能全台灣各縣市都有一樣的問題很多人最後面除非距離太遠超過一個小時或兩個小時這樣車程不然都選擇來台北消費不在本地消費這個是我認為觀光上面可能是大家的痛因為觀光到最後面就是surprise story and spending就是你要給人家驚喜你要給人家故事最後面你讓人家花錢 |
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但是台灣來講可能台北以外都沒有辦法完全去滿足國際旅客這方面的需求那如果說今天我在講基隆的時候就知道我就想請行政院說郵輪母港沒有不好我不是說郵輪母港不好但是郵輪母港的成分能不能少一點舉例海港城我指的是香港的海港城香港的海港城商場 |
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他們並不是遊輪母港,他們只是剛好那個碼頭夠深可以停在小遊輪而已,他們主要還是商業。那主要才是商業之外,他們很多local people,很多在地的人會去那邊消費,這才是我會認為水安開發他們可以做的事情。請問部長認為未來應該怎麼樣去處理呢? |
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基隆是一個很典型的可以港式合一的它唯一的缺點就是腹地真的太小所以現在把軍港移走之外需要多一點腹地再來基隆跟它背後的台北新北尤其台北這個國際性的大都市 |
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會帶來一些更大的吸引力我們還是希望說當然除了郵輪母港之外它還有其他尤其是未來我們首都圈黃金狼帶北北基於四個縣市合貫起來我們的六大區域產業生活圈首都圈叫做北北基於是首都圈黃金狼帶裡面有科技有觀光有商業有文化等等都會在裡面基隆是一個門戶台北最大的困難就是台北沒有領海沒有領域港口 |
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基隆將來就是可能台北對外的重大的門戶那基於很多細方細細的這個布局跟步驟我們都一步一步在推動部長報告委員您說的沒有錯啦其實基隆港的商業的需求還是很大我們客運像郵輪港來講的話客運大概只佔它整體收入的5%大部分的還是以貨運為主 |
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那委員在思考的應該也是跟我思考的差不多就是說基隆的在地的鄉親其實也需要很多的商業空間包含購買包含用餐甚至是不要說是郵輪來的客人是台灣國內的客人也需要一些旅宿的需求比如說台中或高雄來的這個旅客可以有飯店可以住所以優先應該是思考的是說在地的人的需求跟台灣本土的旅客的需求當然 |
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我們靠近郵輪港的旁邊我們的碼頭設施也相當的健全我們也希望能夠吸引到國外的旅客來到台灣搭乘郵輪來到台灣之後可以進去消費所以順序上大概是這個樣子跟委員報告 |
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既然剛剛院長都提到說這個黃金狼帶,那我認真覺得說我會建請基隆市政府盡快提出說基隆到七堵之間的鐵路地下化這個案子,因為老實講地真的不夠,如果又要發展科技,又要發展產業,又要發展各方面,要符合所有這個北北基加起來的人口應該是超過800萬人, |
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應該差不多會超過800萬人700到800萬人左右那等於台灣將近三分之一以上那如果是這種情況之下的話我們就很需要說多一點土地來去做區域發展跟都市發展甚至國家發展都跑不掉所以這一點我可能回去還是要跟既然今天院長跟部長都提了說如果地方政府願意做可行性評估那我們願意幫忙的話那我會回去要跟金融市政府來做溝通那另外一方面就是 |
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比較尷尬的就是我也知道基隆港的收入5%甚至其實搞不好更低就是說來自遊行客的傳播停泊費之類的但是也不免俗就是說未來像譬如說我們現在有很多其他的方向是說能不能去正視這些其他的業者那當然是說內客外貨但是我也必須在這邊最後的一分鐘要提到一個很嚴肅的議題就是假設從東一到東八碼頭 |
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未來都要做商業發展的話這個對基隆市是絕對的好事但是這搞不好也是在基隆市在我剛剛提的鐵路地下化之前唯一的機會能夠改頭換面因為那是在基隆市的中心所有的船跟高速公路跟所有的產業都可以直接在這個從東一到東八我猜記得差不多三到四千公尺 |
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平方公尺這塊可能沒那麼高就差不多這塊地而且旁邊就是基隆市政府那基隆市政府跟港如果能夠合起來去做聯合開發去好好做事的話會有很多不同的價值跟創意會出來但是也是尷尬的點就是說也只有這塊地 |
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也只有這塊地是完整的一塊地十年前我還是一介平民的時候我就曾經提議過這是最後一塊基隆最後一塊的處女地可以好好發展產業那既然這塊地是目前是在行政院交通部手上那我就建請我們行政院好好跟基隆市政府通力合作把這塊地變成基隆未來可以改頭換面很重要的一塊 |
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好,報告委員,這個部分我會跟基隆市政府好好來協商,看這個未來的發展應該怎麼樣規劃好,謝謝謝謝委員好,謝謝林委員,謝謝卓會長報告院會,交通組織質詢已詢答完畢,休息五分鐘休息之後進行司法及法制組織質詢,現在休息 |
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抱怨會現在繼續開會進行司法及法治組織諮詢請黃委員國昌諮詢謝謝主席 麻煩有請卓院長請卓院長備詢 |
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莊委好卓院長好司法法制組的總執行之後我一個人登記在邁入今天的主題以前先確認一件事情昨天匯率的波動賴總統親上火線說明其中最值得大家關注的事情是賴總統承諾有關於匯率絕對不會成為台美接下來有關於關稅談判的範圍這件事情行政院會不會確實執行 |
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完全依照這個原則就先前談判的過程我們也是未來也不會把匯率納入整個談判的範圍對不對 |
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上一次的談判沒有牽涉到涉及未來的,不會把他納入範圍,對不對?未來我們不敢在這裡斷言不敢在這邊斷言,所以昨天賴總統講的是空話嗎?未來什麼時候會談到什麼事情,我們不敢在這裡斷言可是賴總統講得很清楚啦,匯率不會成為台美有關於經貿談判的範圍啊這個事情現在卓院長改口了嗎? |
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這個是昨天賴總統講的啊他是說上一次的會談所以未來不排除有可能會在範圍是嗎我們沒有對未來做任何的想像現在果然關心的就是這件事情嘛匯率會不會成為台美接下來金牌談判的範圍不管未來談判是不是有我們現在針對匯率所以現在不敢承諾就對了嗎所以現在不敢承諾就對了嗎把事情說清楚就好了啦承諾不承諾的問題 |
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這未來的事情我現在就問嘛 你說過去沒有嘛那我說你可不可以承諾未來不會有你現在沒有辦法承諾 事情就這麼簡單嘛我有說錯嗎這不是一刀兩面的問題沒有關係啦 我相信喔今天剛剛左院長的說明啊把賴總統的意思講得非常清楚了 |
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賴總統有沒有做這樣的承諾全體國人可以去評判但有一件事情是非常清楚的我們會高度的掌握談判的過程會確保國家的利益那個主席啊是不是可以請院長等我問完問題再回答 |
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他這樣子一直插話恐怕不是很有禮貌吧我們相互尊重好謝謝不過有一件事情賴總統應該是清楚的承諾啦2024總統大選以前賴總統承諾要針對有關於司法改革特別是司改國是會議接下來是不是有落實要建立一個常設性的司法改革委員會這個委員會什麼時候會成立 |
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司法改革是隨時在進行的我們對司法改革的過程我們也知道這個承諾有沒有人要履行也不知道我們會依照沒有期限這個部分不是單是行政院可以處理的我們跟司法院還有高度的合作 |
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因為我問不到賴總統所以我只能請教你嘛這個是賴總統做的承諾白紙黑字有歷史紀錄毫無疑問嘛屬於行政院的我們在法務部系統我們會就內部趕快來做更多的精進所以現在全體的國人沒有任何的機會可以請教我們的賴清德總統 |
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你選前承諾全民的常設性的司法改革委員會有沒有要履行有沒有要兌現現在大家不知道嘛卓院長也沒有辦法幫賴總統回答嘛是這樣嗎 |
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司法改革我們隨時都在改革都在進行是啊現在我在問的是政見要不要履行嘛政見要不要履行嘛政見要不要履行就是賴總統可以決定的我有說錯嗎這麼具體的事情到現在還在講空話賴總統選前所有的政見我們都一一在履行當中這個有履行嗎設在哪裡清楚的跟國人講啊大聲清楚跟國人講這個有履行嗎設在哪裡 |
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這並非只有行政院的權責 我們還要尊重沒有關係 我接下來問行政院權責可以做的事情 兩公約第四次的國家報告什麼時候可以提出來兩公約第四次的國家報告絕對是行政院的權責什麼時候可以提出來如果我們原來有按定的時程我們就按照原來的時程提出所以什麼時候要提出來我看到原來的時程是什麼時候再跟委員報告你也不是很清楚喔 |
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你怎麼自己的施政報告自己都不熟啊我們如果有按照原來施政我們就提出來這是你的施政報告我們就按照那個施政提出來2025年6月要提出來 |
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會準時提出來嗎我們如果有按照時程在宣布的話就按照時程提出來不是啦你敢在寫在施政報告的內容你自己要清楚嘛要不然立委沒有信心啊現在都不知道這個施政報告是誰提出來的嘛我為什麼要特別問兩公約的國家人權報告因為我們花了很多納稅人的錢 |
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做國家報告找國際專家來審查但大家很困惑啊花了這麼多錢做國家報告找國際專家來審查真的有在落實嗎國際專家一而再再而三質疑的事情行政院好像是言者遵遵聽者渺渺沒有落實也沒有關係啊我這樣講很抽象我現在邁入具體的事情2008年的時候 |
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賴清德總統那個時候時任民主進步黨立法院黨團幹事長他有沒有針對民進黨第一次執政的時候沒有修改極右惡法向台灣社會道歉有沒有你也不知道沒有關係我準備好了來賴清德代表民進黨黨團向社會大眾致歉廢除極右惡法持續撂票那個時候的賴清德講了多麼動人的一段話他說 |
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我要代表民主進步黨團向台灣社會大眾致歉過去我們主張報備制可是執政的時候沒有回應在野的訴求這是民進黨的不對 |
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我們現在雖然成為在野黨但是不能推諉謝哲現在的執政黨如果還是用以前的藉口當藉口就會步入過去執政黨的後塵我在此提出特別語重心長的呼籲這個語重心長的呼籲不是我說的是賴清德總統說的現在關鍵的問題來啦針對自由合法這件事情行政院有要推動修正嗎 |
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目前我們沒有談論到這個話題目前沒有談論到這個話題好 那第二個問題我們目前的集會遊行二法有沒有違反公正公約 |
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這個我們花納稅的錢做國家人權報告的審查結論很清楚啊我們目前的集合二法有沒有違反公正公約公正公約我提醒卓院長已經成為國內法了而且具有優惠的效力有沒有違反公正公約我們的集合法依照我國的國情目前的執行現在狀況是如此有沒有違反公正公約如果有進一步的檢討的時候我們會廣聽社會大眾共同的意見哇你們廣聽社會大眾的意見非常久啦 |
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2008年的時候跟台灣社會道歉2025年的時候現在翻臉不認人啊現在我為什麼特別提出質詢這還不是喔這一點我不如委員這還不是喔過去別人講的話記得那麼清楚對自己講的話也應該記得很清楚現在針對有關於政治承諾有沒有履行是一回事嗎有沒有違反法律的規定是另外一回事嗎 |
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我說啦拿了納稅人的錢做了國家人權的審查報告找了國際的專家來審查最後的結論是什麼來我帶卓院長複習一下公正公約第21條的規定第一次的國家人權報告我們目前的勤惠遊行法違反公正公約第21條的規定許可制應該改成報配制禁制區要重新的檢討 |
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自由法29條的刑罰違反公正公約21條的規定這都不是我說的這是我們的國家報告說的我們國家報告早就說了這件事啊我們花了納稅人的錢從民進黨2017年開始做第一次的國際審查報告2017年做國際審查報告的時候國際專家就在問啊他說你們 |
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第一次的國家報告就承認違反公正公約啊你們承認違反公正公約又沒有要修法現在是在做什麼找國際專家來審查有何意義沒有意義啊自己的報告說違反公正公約國際專家問什麼時候要改我們的政府雙手一攤現在沒有要推動是這樣嗎請部長回答 |
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是這樣嗎這個委員關心的這些的問題齁那個第四次的國家審查報告是在下個月就會出來了那我想這部分應該有第二次的國家審查報告第三次的國家審查報告我剛所講的國際專家的質疑有說錯嗎這國家專家的質疑這部分我們會做一個檢討嘛會做一個檢討 對嘛所以我現在的問題就來了嘛 |
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法務部部長說的正正有詞我們會檢討我現在的問題就來了從2017年檢討到現在 |
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從2017年檢討到現在我有說錯嗎所以從2017年廣納到現在喔從2017年廣納到2025年喔是不是要廣納到2032年你們當初在回應國際審查專家的時候是說什麼這要廣納社會意見啊違反公正公約那我們就違反那要不然你要怎麼樣 |
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是這種態度嗎是這種態度嗎委員 至少我們承認當初說過的話我們不會去否認我們自己過去說過的話是啊然後呢 但是你沒有要做啊已經在檢討啊從2017年檢討到現在繼續檢討來 我告訴你國際審查專家講什麼講說到底是出於什麼原因還沒有修訂為什麼沒有修 |
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這是2021年第三次國際審查的時候所提出來的第二次做國家報告、做國際審查的時候花了多少錢?部長知不知道?這個我沒有資料沒關係我告訴你,花了614萬第三次找國際專家來,花了多少錢知不知道?你也沒有資料沒關係我都幫你準備好了,783萬 |
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每一次花納稅人的錢花幾百萬花了以後找國際審查專家來大拜拜拜拜完了出了報告報告告訴你該修沒有修這個我不會同意委員說講什麼大拜拜啦 |
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對嘛 如果不是大霸敗的話國際審查專家問的問題你們當初在回應的時候是像你今天在這邊這樣子的態度嗎是不是嘛你當初在回應國際審查專家的時候要不要把你今天在這邊回應記錄的話老老實實的第四次國際審查的時候就把你今天的話老老實實的告訴國際審查專家 |
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我民進黨政府就是這個態度就是沒有要修嘛那要不然你要怎麼樣不是嗎來 再來洩密給外國跟洩密給中國中華人民共和國對台灣的國家安全造成極大的威脅一天到晚在恐嚇台灣要侵略台灣的中華人民共和國非常可惡 |
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洩密給中華人民共和國相較於要洩密給其他外國應該要加重處罰院長贊不贊成部長我問過他了啦他的答案在立法院裡面都有記錄但我沒有機會問你來 請院長請院長對不起 主席請你制止部長現在我在請教的是院長部長在旁邊一直插話這樣不好嗎請院長回覆 |
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跟委員說明 泄密本身是一個行為泄密給任何一個人 我覺得他不應該有太大的差距尤其是如果泄密給一個敵境外的敵對勢力 他應該加重對嘛 泄密給境外敵對勢力應該要加重嘛我要的就是這個態度嘛因為我覺得很奇怪 |
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我從很早以前第一次當立委的時候國家親密保護法我提案限密給中國就要加重處罰結果那時候跳出來反對的叫邱泰山修國安法的時候我又再主張一次跳出來反對的是柯建民現在民進黨政府說要從國安無法到國安實法 |
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其中國家安全法很重要就國家安全法的部分目前沒有任何行政院的版本行政院會不會提版本行政院會不會提版本因為國家安全很重要嘛國家安全法現在有漏洞嘛要把它補起來嘛但我們現在在內政委員會審的時候我沒有看到行政院的版本行政院會不會提版本因為委員有提了相當多的版本朝野黨團的委員朝野各委員有提相當多的版本 |
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如果這個版本綜合起來到最後我們認為跟行政院的原來的構思想法跟設計是差不多一樣的話我們可以就這個版本來做討論好針對目前民進黨立委所提出來的版本有哪一個版本針對洩密給中國提高刑度相較其他國家更重的有哪一個版本有這樣的設計這個黨團還在討論當中現在黨團還在討論沒有啊現在所提出來的版本已經境內政委會審查啦 |
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審查就是一個討論的過程所以現在在審查裡面的版本有哪一個版本有針對中國有提高處罰的審查就是一個討論的過程是啊 所以我問你嘛有哪一個版本有針對泄密給中國相較於其他外國有更重刑度的有嗎沒有的話就可以再來檢討要如何來改善 對嘛所以我才問嘛你行政院要不要提版本出來事情就這麼簡單啊第三個事情 |
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針對有關於棄保潛逃、妨礙司法公正在你的施政報告裡面也有寫我相信院長應該對自己的施政報告很清楚我每次問法務部棄保潛逃、妨礙司法公正那個時候所做的承諾到底什麼時候要提院板出來法務部永遠都是說他們已經提給行政院行政院什麼時候會提 |
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好,謝謝黃委員,謝謝卓院長 |
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法院會司法及法治組織諮詢已詢答完畢下午2點15分處理臨時提案下午2點30分繼續開會進行社會福利及衛生環境組織諮詢現在休息 |
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MING PAO CANADA MING PAO TORONTO |
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歡迎回我們現在繼續開會我們處理臨時提案每位委員發言時間一分鐘我們先請圖權級委員請發言 |
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桃園國際機場園區及附近地區特定區計劃案是我國規模最大之土地開發及都市計劃案涉及數萬人民的家園財產也是重要的國家建設當時政府許諾徵收範圍之居民將以先建後遷方式提供安置住宅重建街廓以及所需之融資水電 |
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基礎設施鼓勵人民積極參與配合推動而今公告搬遷期限在即承諾仍未實現民眾焦頭爛額有苦難生懇請中央與地方相關單位務實檢討相關時程與資源配套請聽民意務實人民權益淪喪扼傷國家之公信力 |
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謝謝圖權級委員的發言報告委員會本院圖權級等14位委員的提案我們現在做以下決議函請行政院嚴處請問院會有異議沒有異議我們就通過謝謝陳永康委員曾振傑委員陪同我們一起處理臨時提案報告委員會現在臨時提案已處理完畢我們下午2點30分繼續開會進行社會福利及衛生環境組織諮詢先來休息 |
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主委院長 各位委員 午安報告委員會我們現在繼續開會進行社會福利及衛生環境組織諮詢首先請林國成委員準備請諮詢賴世保委員請準備報告委員會現在在我們議場二樓旁邊來自東吳大學政治系的同學們熱情歡迎你們 我們掌聲歡迎好 |
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好 謝謝院長 請卓院長勞動部紅部長麻煩請卓院長勞動部備選林委員好好 院長最近辛苦了大家都辛苦了 |
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台灣政紅全球的關稅還有國內的政治紛爭這等等可以說蠟燭兩頭燒感同身受也了解院長你的辛勞我還是要建議院長要拋開政治 |
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多了解民生還有給你一個建議先安內再攬外未來因為台灣要往前走我也知道 院長你是想要做事但是全球這整個打壓以及大罷免等等這些讓你確確實實左院長是真的蠟燭量多少但是我還是 |
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要給你一個勉勵你的辛苦當然為了台灣人民要往前走這個我想 院長你同意吧謝謝委員 只要內部能夠安定我們就有全民的力量可以往外走所以我也希望支持我們現在提出的特別條例一起為產業做支持 讓人民安心我一向啊 我們都非常理性的 |
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該支持的我們會支持不該支持的我們會堅持到底這是我特別跟院長說明一下另外一個當然我問這個話題也就是身為勞工經濟部長 |
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他講如果看不下去就可以離開這種說法身為一個勞工我還有了解地方勞工的心聲我坦白講緩談之大特別下情善打讓卓院長了解這些 |
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我說從卓院長執政到現在你講話從來沒有這樣挑釁不尊重勞工的沒有可是我沒有想到一個資方的經濟部長他會講這種話說實在我感覺到非常難過跟非常可悲但院長我為什麼要下請上達 |
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這個就要特別讓你留意當然不是你叫他這樣講可是確實會影響整個勞工這些士氣跟對我們政府總內閣的看法所以我不曉得左院長你認為他講這句話妥當不妥當 |
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這句話郭部長講出之後已經引起社會的注意也很多勞工朋友一定會感受到受到尊重所以我跟郭部長有談過 |
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我們馬上總之結束之後我們馬上會利用適當的時間儘快去跟勞工朋友表達我們具體的關心以及對國營事業同仁夥伴們我們用具體的行動來支持他們謝謝委員的提醒這點因為卓院長你知道他你的內閣講錯一句話這樣是算在你這裡 |
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但是卓院長講錯一句話是把帳算到賴總統所以要特別嚴肅小心既然立法委員理性提醒你這些我希望卓院長要刻不容緩近視的讓勞工釋緩或許他是無意但是人家聽則有心 |
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所以這些我身為一個勞工我要代替一千多萬的勞工跟郭部長抗議這些這叫做什麼 灌勞板 |
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這不好的我可以完全體會我是良心的建議謝謝委員另外一個啊我就感覺到很奇怪郭部長啊他問題一大堆那最近他又請AIT吃飯的時候這裡面有兩個問題現在大家都在吵啊 |
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那你沒有你就要講清楚啊那做的事情我剛才已經講過卓院長你是要蓋瓜成熟現在人家就把所有格言裡面所作所為都把它記到 |
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郭部長那郭部長他這種做法他到底是自用工會請AIT或者他自己掏腰包現在都講不清楚現在勞工也一直在講你問卓院長他對這件事情什麼看法如果是自己 |
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他自己出錢那你也拿出來講清楚不要讓勞工都覺得郭志輝已經灌老闆了那然後灌老闆就應該這樣嗎所以我是覺得我還是要第二個建議我們卓院長 |
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有就有 沒有就沒有該解釋的要把花票講清楚說明白不要經濟服務講一套他自己講一套但是不要忘了郭部長的長官就是卓院長那卓院長你要不要把這件事情把它理清楚也不要產生勞工跟各界對他有一種誤解我蠻擔心的 |
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當然部長可以隨時走可是卓院長不要忘記你現在是中華民國最高的行政所長不能因為你的格言這樣來害到你對這件事情的執政的負面院長你認為怎麼樣根據週刊報導裡面有提到郭部長也有說明他對外有說明 |
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如果那個參會的費用是郭部長自己來支應的話那我想就沒有什麼特別的問題他已經對外這麼說明過了好 院長 |
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你願不願意把這件事情把它釐清楚讓各界 讓勞工不要把它說我的灌勞榜又出筆囉 院長願不願意好 跟委員報告我們大概都是同時在今天看到這些週刊的報導好 那今天因為我人在這裡我又跟郭副長早上有嘗試聯繫過他說對外他的講法就是這樣一個講法那我會再確實證實他的講法是真的那 卓院長你很多事情是有所為有所不為啦 |
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這不當的這必須要查清楚 不頭的就馬上當機立斷 該處理就處理去留問題我不在乎而是把真相揭發出來這是你卓院長應該要做的這個我是第二個特別跟你建議 |
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那另外一個我可能就要跟你談現在勞工的這些勞保福利的問題我們要感謝左院長執政的時候民進黨執政的時候連續幾年來確實在撥補方面以及該做的你們都有做 |
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所以大家鬧得風風雨雨啊也就是勞保破產的問題在你們撥補的情況之下確實是延後很多可是整個這些架構的問題還是要改善所以我在這裡很簡單直接就特別 |
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請教我們卓院長到底你對於撥補有在做那勞保條例的66條是把它加上去法定撥補但是在這裡院長我們沒有要你固定要撥補多少 |
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沒人要撥補但是69條69條就是政府你曾經講過很多次政府要負起這個責任有沒有可能就讓勞工很明確的就是入法那本席啊也跟幾位我們同事啊都已經有提66條的修訂就是固定法定要撥補撥補多少金額由行政院去做決定 |
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第二個69條就是確定給付也就是政府要確定給付這已經幾十年來修華當中都認為小事可是這一千一百多個勞工的情況之下給他一個入華的保障這是對勞工是一個安定的院長你針對這些你有什麼看法 |
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修法的問題請部長說明我跟委員報告過去幾年來我們包括疫後的特別條例一共撥補勞保3800億從以前到現在到以後歷任的執政者都不會把勞工的問題置之不理 |
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我們都會把勞工當作國家重要的資產我們對勞保的最終條件每一任的政府未來也是一樣一定會承擔起來修法的問題部長可以說明我的理由很簡單你同不同意入華保障所有的勞工我跟委員報告 |
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勞保是國家來辦的社會保險所以不管入不入法政府都會來負擔最終責任是 好那我們也會來視政府的財政狀況來持續的辦理撥補那我知道委員其實也有提案就是說關於最終責任的入法的部分我們是覺得這部分第一個是尊重第二個我們也覺得是可以有討論的空間是 來 燕子 |
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一句話 你反對入華以否我只要你聽你這句話因為你們本來都有在做啊 |
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不管未來是誰執政你只是對勞工有保障但是 院長我特別要提醒你從來的行政院長認為這都是小事但是我必須要跟院長建議以重心長勞工需要的就是法令的保障他知道你們有在做但是你同不同意入法的當中同不同意 |
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入法可以一步一步的來研議但是我跟委員報告政府跟勞工的關係這種終身的保障 |
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只在乎一張契約你們不會放棄對不對不在乎一張契約這個契約很重要我們終身保證職業老公要的不多老公是一個寶藏跟一個肝臟這個當然你們都有在做啦都具體做到所以這些東西當然是替勞工去爭取這些入華是對他們一個寶藏 |
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保障因為你們都有在做確實你們也有在做這個我到哪邊跟勞工宣導我說不管任何一個政黨民進黨有做的我就支持他民進黨沒有做的我當然批評他可是院長我已經跟你講這件事情你們有做我到哪邊宣導我就跟他講民進黨在執政的時候 |
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是撥補給其他政黨還多這個我都幫你們講話你可以去問勞工啊所以 院長我希望你不要阻擋這些入法這些入法對勞工是只有一個保障用法律概念我們的意識實現已經一定一直在實現這點我不要跟你辯論委員不會懷疑我們一定有這樣的心 |
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所以修法的問題 入法的問題可以慢慢去研究但是我們每年該做的會一定把它做到從過去到現在都如此這個入法 這個入法是對勞工一個切身的保障其實你們有在做 你們怕什麼入法 |
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這個也跟中華民國的任何權利都沒有關這是勞工的權利所以這點我要建議這個卓院長在這個部分你要很明確的來支持因為修法當然有一定步驟也不是說今天馬上做就馬上做但是我不希望行政單位來反對這個就不好啦這個就不好所以卓院長好另外一個我想那個 |
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其實警消組工會啊這個是一個大問題但是這裡面有兩點一就是罷工前二就是植栽的確保在這個部分我還是希望卓院長 |
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每天這樣吵倒不如好好研究一下所以過去教師也是不能組工會那那個時候我很清楚到最後他們沒有罷工錢當然這裡面有一部分的人是公務人員適用公務人員服務法這個都可以談所以我還是要拜託卓院長在這個 |
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確確實實主公會並非洪水猛獸所以好好去談一下不要踩得那麼硬這樣好 我在想洪部長你站在保障勞工的立場你也不會反對但是確實這裡面有很多值得大家去商討的大家去商討 所以我還是再度建議卓院長在這個部分就大家要共同跨部會的去研究到底 |
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成立以否有什麼利弊要去做分析以現在政府的心態他好像主公會就是洪水門座這沒有必要的我們說實在這沒必要的這些東西都是我們內政我們內部的問題所以都沒有牽涉從警消人員的福利我們來加強著手 |
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那麼景蕭因為他是有公法上特殊的職務關係我們希望如果能夠走協會的方式一同來並同來強化協會的功能這個是目前認為比較可行而且穩定社會的必須我是以重心長 |
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在這個部分就是公務人員服務法以及工會勞動商法這兩者之間當然還有一件但是我建議你就大家坐下來好好談這樣總是有一天會解決那大多數的聲音是認為說保持現狀那這個也是一個解決之道啊 |
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不要每一次就覺得我們卓內閣都是在反對請委員協助我們好好地來溝通這個溝通一下才會解決好不好 院長好 謝謝林國成委員質詢謝謝卓院長 勞動部長備詢 |
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好 謝謝接下來登記第二號第三號李昆哲委員跟林月琴委員諮詢書面提出請行政院書面答覆並列入紀錄刊登公報再接下來請賴世保委員諮詢黃秀芳委員請準備 |
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謝謝主席韓院長 卓院長以及各位先進那麼有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢卓院長好 院長好這個我質詢你像我們客氣啦所以呢 |
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沒有要你講話你就不要講話因為我今天問題很多拜託主席啊這個我沒有請他講話就不要講話了好我們來看啦郭部長這個被這樣修理啊其實我對郭部長一直很有意見可是如果真的他自己出錢來宴客不管在哪裡請他的公司請我覺得這個無可厚非 |
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要還他清白可是如果他拿的是公帳那個就有違官爭了我覺得他只要拿出法票就一仗斃命了嘛 |
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他的公司成立這麼久了餐廳成立這麼久了一定有發票嗎發票拿出來給大家看你看發票的抬頭是空白的像我在吃飯發票拿到發票都空白的因為我沒有公司可以報啊空白的這個就是我個人出的就簡單的如果刷卡更好這個卡是我的卡或者他的家人的卡對不對一拿出來就一槍斃命了 |
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不用解釋那麼多了如果拿出來的結果 欸 這不是喔這個發票是經濟部的發票號碼喔 那就問題就很大條囉那問題就很大條囉這個 你同意我的說法吧你不不替他講話沒關係 你同意我的說法吧 |
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所以我說 郭部長對外說明了如果外界還有疑慮外界說明 我有疑慮 我還有疑慮我的疑慮就是show me the evidence給我證據 發票嘛invoice 你看清清楚楚清清楚楚這張審買單 清楚 它不可能是偽照它一定清楚的他再秀出那一張 空白的大家都沒有共啊或者他拿出來 我拿去吃飯 |
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我的卡 刷卡 刷這筆金額就清楚好 我們來看喔台幣狂飆啊 出口很慘啊股會雙殺啊財源啊 放無薪假越來越多我們幾天啊5月22到現在漲了10%什麼意思等於跟關稅談判我們無意中加了10% |
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我看到了媒體報導 我們爭取到10%至15%的這個關稅對等關稅 爭取這樣子啦但是如果加10%上去 就是20%至25%你現在提出一個特別條例原來我們都支持你啊你說880 我們說不夠啊 應該變成2000 |
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結果你客氣了只編930其他編一些都跟這個沒有關係的我們黨團編了一個沒有關係的不要你要編什麼任性啊 |
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你就追加預算 我也支持我在這裡講 增加台灣的本土及社會的韌性絕對支持 但是應該放追加預算不應該放在特別預算裡面特別預算就是針對這次受到關稅的影響所以我們加一個 現在外銷不好啦外銷已經 外匯死一片啦台中的工具企業 |
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這叫什麼哀鴻騙爺啊真的是啊他沒有賺那麼多欸台積電毛利的損失4% 6%大家外銷產業都很慘了都很慘這時候五星價然後工廠倒退會越來越多這時候擴大內需此時其也啊擴大內需擴大內需所以每個人加一萬塊很有道理啊 |
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在蔡英文執政的時候 運後經濟條件的條例 特別條例就有這樣的六成 那時候朱成敏說了六千塊可以創造GDP 增加0.3%按照朱成敏的算法 是民進黨執政很重要的一個組織長做很久 |
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他的算法我如果加1萬可以增加GDP0.5倍擴大內需經濟學院一定讀過嘛多少你也知道你行政院長各位行政院長從經濟的發展GDP很重要的一個出口一個內需一個公共投資一個投資非常重要幾條腿所以這時候擴大內需非常重要你給他錢 |
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他會去晃 因為東西漲價啦東西漲價啦 這個你可以回答一下我再問一個問題 這個是我們國民黨團體的版本今天互論喔 我們一起來審查如果表決通過我們的版本民眾黨要發六千 我們發一萬 |
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那最少談一談嘛 大家各讓一步八千也好啊一家五口就有四萬塊可以落袋啊 |
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從人家來講的話很補誒我現在因為要被罷免了到處在跑基層啊都聽到一個聲音啊內委員啊那個啊 發議員會什麼時候發啊我聽了很心酸啊我說一定會再努力啦但是民進黨的這個執政黨特別左榮泰院長都一直反對勒賴清德也反對勒啊你拿他這個輸贏我說不是這樣講啦又不是要去打架講道理我們要說服院長 |
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報告委員 發現金對政府來講是最簡單的事情不用做其他事情 就是現金發了而已但對國家真的好嗎 |
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我還是那個想法把一萬塊發給每一個人 |
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把五千塊發給手中沒有五千塊的國人這樣比較有他的效益報告院長我希望你不要再講好不好我請你講就講請你不要講就請你不要講喔我實際要控制一下喔我就問你如果我通過你要不要提賦予啦後悔的是問題 |
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我們會在討論的過程中距離力爭希望大家能夠體認只有集中不降的力量現在才是最好的方法我到七成區大家都要放一萬我接觸到比較窮啦你接觸到比較有錢 |
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你這做比較有錢啊現在我就要你這個答案就是如果我通過了要發現金你還是要提複譽 就這樣子你答案是這樣子嗎會在討論的過程當中會在討論要不要提複譽沒有 總理長你會被罵死被窮人罵死 |
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我接觸的都是窮人比較多苦人比較多你接觸的有錢人比較多快樂人比較多所以你都不要好了下一個題目來下一個題目因為你反對啊因為你連有錢人都發一萬塊啊你反對啊來來來 |
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這個我另外要送你一個分數啦昨天AIT的處長 台北處長古立言才說啦向美國買核能解放他幫你處理核安的問題 你說的要啟動核能 要幫你處理核備料他幫你處理啦這個昨天習近平昨天晚上發的AIT的新聞稿 |
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他還幫你這個老人我今天早上算很久了咧找了幾個核光專家算了一下請問你知不知道我們現在現有的核電廠裡面還有地方可以放機組你知道嗎你不知道核電廠的範圍當然是很大裡面還可以放機組你知道嗎我們要如何看待這些空間來 比如說核二機場原來放四部機組 |
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設計的時候四部機組但它只有放兩部核三要放六部它只放兩部所以這兩個加起來就可以放六部的機組六部的核電的機組一個機組發電量可以放多少79億度加起來可以79億度 |
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每一部的機組花多少錢 兩千億所以六部就花一兆兩千萬院長 我們的談判團正在跟美國談你要跟他講 我跟你買核電啊 給你去工廠給你蓋 那個機組你來蓋安全你負責 核電你負責 運轉你負責我們現在不是抱美國大腿嗎 通通給他負責 |
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你有什麼好擔心的 馬上我們的關稅 說不定就減下來了這是教你啊 這麼好的房子我昨天晚上想了很久這個好啊 太好了 太好了一兆兩千億 就是美國要的一兆兩千億 美金多少 四百億 |
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我們去年賺到多少?739億他要我們負擔370億我們這個因為匯率提升所以400億完全滿足美國的需要啊!說不定關稅可以攤位零喔!你要不要感謝我一下?請叫如果我們的談判團隊只有這麼一個方案的話不容易得到國人的支持其中之一!不是只有這個方案!其中之一! |
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如果這個法案不能為台灣的核廢料的敘述問題跟我們的核安得到保障的話也不能美國幫你保障啊 你不相信美國喔你依美論喔 你依美論喔你依美論喔 你依美論喔他會請美國處理 他說可以處理 你是一獨一獨內容他樂意幫助台灣解決核廢料儲存的挑戰 |
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你的問題他都能幫你解決了 河岸的問題解決了河外的問題解決 你的家他幫你運轉都可以 他要做你這個生意啊我給你 你看 我對你多好啊 都幫你想答案啊我們談判團隊備託的方案是全面性的 全面性的我們的談判決定沒有想到這個 因為這個昨天才發出來的他要這個東西美國人清楚 他要這筆生意他要這筆生意 你就給他嘛 |
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一兆兩千億就給他嘛阿拉斯卡四百多億美金在他的盆土裡面從高山上天然氣下來蓋那個錢我們都願意負擔啊那個是他國家的建設我們都提了負擔了這一筆錢為什麼不能負擔一兆兩千億 |
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答應他的核電問題解決 要蓋核電同時我告訴你 你那個一千億台幣的補助就有希望爭取到在台的支持一見義不苟 夢來見世可憐我們一再強調 新的核能技術我們都願意公開討論好 再看下一題齁這個 你不要回答了因為你不是賴清德賴清德的總統對台幣暴升了 |
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不然就像朱立倫好歹在專業 NYU的博士會計學博士 搞財經的講專業的 還給我小看說因為政治人物的攻防造成市場的誤導跟非理性的預期心理耐心的就說是非常惡劣的現在因為搞大罷免 搞到怎麼樣搞到已經街頭巷尾都快打架了 |
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你來罷免 你罷免 你罷免 你罷免你罷免 你罷免你罷免你罷免你罷免你罷免你罷免你罷免你罷免你罷免你罷免你罷免你罷免你罷免你罷免你罷免你罷免你罷免你罷免 |
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街頭巷尾都在吵架這樣的畫面屢見不鮮這個讓台灣民主倒退到獨裁國家就是賴清德這一段的歷史全世界第一個執政黨發動罷免在野黨的國會議員就是賴清德他是歷史的罪人 |
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他要走向獨裁這個全國人民要唾棄賴清德這種行為難怪人家說現在反清復明啊反對賴清德恢復台灣的民主叫反清復明好 我們再看 請那個衛福部長時間暫停 麻煩請衛福部長備選 |
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我就問你簡單的一個問題而已 間斷 時間有限川普總統說要 藥品關稅要課 到底什麼藥品你知道我最新的消息 你都不進入狀況喔我怪人家說要換掉你喔 我都希望你不要被換喔你知道我的問題嗎 |
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川普最近剛剛簽了說要對所有的醫藥品課稅 課關稅你知道嗎你都不進入狀況 像阿倫子一樣還當部長咧 要怎麼辦我們的醫療藥品的準備相當的充分這樣的部長我希望都能下去就好 |
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接下來我們請黃秀芳委員執行 王振旭委員請準備 |
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黃委員你要不要放正一點好像不夠正再過去一點這樣畫面更好看沒關係謝謝院長我們請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢黃委員好 |
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卓院長好卓院長我想請教就是說我們今天我想請教就是說我們少子化的議題那我們的這個從1999年內政部設立這個兒童局負責兒少的業務那2013年因為主改的關係所以兒童局就併到我們這個衛福部的這個社家署那其實這樣十幾年的時間我們看到就是說從這個 |
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兒童醫療也好或者是兒童福利或者是現在最近的這個凱凱案其實很多人一直在希望就是說我們這個兒童的一些單位能夠有一個專責單位那我先從我們的這個兒童醫療開始說起院長你看到這一張就是近十年台灣新生兒的出生數你看了你自己會不會嚇一跳 |
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我們人口政策跟人口對策一直是政府長期在關心的我們對去年的出生率也覺得蠻憂心從2015年到2024年你看這短短的10年當中從2015的213,598人到2024年的134,856人 |
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每一年都在下降新生兒每一年都在下降那當然就是說行政院這邊也提出很多的政策鼓勵我們趕生趕婚那所有的兒童福利我也看到這幾年的一些政策希望說能夠鼓勵年輕人能夠生育可是 |
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雖然我們投入這麼多的資源可是看到好像整個成效也不是那麼好我是不是可以請教這個院長針對這一部分我們未來未來要怎麼樣讓這個新生兒的人數能夠再增加從我們的0到6歲的相關政策來看投入的經費確實很多包括我們的育兒津貼從5000、6000、7000一直往上堆一直我們的托育政策也長時間 |
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多高額的一個補助但是成效真的是有限我想這個也是一個世界像現在普遍存在的現象我們現在又考慮到從社宅裡面從婚育 |
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結婚生育來多所補助多所關懷我們會多種方面來進行但是我是覺得認為現在來看能夠讓已經出生的小孩子能夠得到更好的照顧跟教育是我們目前可以馬上開始做的好那剛剛院長有特別提到就是說這個醫療方面就是說 |
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台灣的孩子一個都不能少都已經這麼少了去年是農年才13萬多一個都不能少當然就是說台灣的醫療尤其是兒童的醫療我們希望都能夠更好我們台灣沒有一個國家級的兒童醫院即便是台大醫院台大兒童醫院它也只是一個小兒科 |
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就是小兒科 只是它的建築物是寫兒童醫院那當然就是我們希望能夠有一個國家級的兒童專責醫院那如果說短期間內沒辦法這樣做的話那我們是不是可以成立一個國家兒童健康研究中心 |
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那這個我不知道說院長知不知道就是說我們如果成立這樣的一個國家兒童健康中心現在台大醫院已經在做了可能就是說需要再更多的資源的挹注那這個兒童的健康研究中心它最主要就是用臨床可能就是從臨床 |
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那讓我們的這個孩子能夠得到更好更好的治療更好的一個照顧那我不知道說這個請院長回答或者請部長回答是不是可以讓我們即便沒有國家的專責兒童醫院那是不是可以從這方面開始著手謝謝部長謝謝委員那我想我們 |
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要成立哪一個組織都要知道他的定位是怎麼樣我們一個兒童健康的國家級的兒童健康研究中心我想台大醫院的童人的兒童真的是非常關心兒童的發展不管是在兒童醫療的品質以及他整個研究持續包括他的小孩安全、意外的防範以及整個怎麼樣育兒長大 |
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那成立一個研究中心這樣的一個方向其實是應該要支持 |
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那現在目前其實要確定它是它如果是研究計畫其實它在國科會或相關的機構其實都可以來做研究所以我想我們在三月多王正熙委員跟黃委員這邊都有關心開了公聽會那我們就邀請了辦公室委員的辦公室也邀請了教育部、國發會還有衛福部我們共同來研究這樣的一個 |
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這樣一個當天討論的一個情況之下那當時的結論就是說我們請台大的兒醫能夠來了解再次確認一下我們的國家兒童健康研究中心他的角色以及未來對國家的一個因為是國家級的 |
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就像當初我們在成立國家級的高齡中心的時候其實雲林要成立結果宜蘭到處都是那我要成立所以你怎麼樣有一個特色那現在還在溝通它的特色那我們會用這一兩年當中把角色在理清楚以後我們來積極來看看怎麼樣把它做下去做得更好 |
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好 其實我當然知道院長 會務部長對於這個台大的這個醫療因為很多一些急重男寒兒童的這個急重男寒症很多可能在其他縣市那他們第一想到的如果說是急症或者是 |
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喊病或者是比較難醫治的大家想到就是說到台大醫院尤其是如果是這個台大兒童醫院那如果說我們今天大家認為就是說台大醫院是一個國家級的我們的一個國家級的一個非常重要的醫院那當然如果說現在目前有的兒童醫院 |
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目前的兒童醫院並不是我們這個認為說是一個國家級的一個專責的兒童醫院所以我希望就是說如果未來這個國家級的專責兒童醫院需要投入更多的資源那當然就是說可以從臨床上面就是這樣的一個兒童的健康研究中心那他們可能收治更多擊中南罕症的這樣的一個疾病那可以提供給其他醫院 |
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其他這個兒童醫院或其他的兒童的這個診所能夠有更多的這個經驗的一些這個經驗的一個分享或者是如果遇到這個急重難寒的話要怎麼醫治所以我希望就是說部長或院長是不是可以去可以做這樣的一個承諾未來現在台大已經在做了是已經在做了 |
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他們現在已經在做了只是說需要有更多的資源的挹注而且這個資源這個經費的挹注並不需要這麼的多所以我們希望說院長是不是可以做個承諾感謝委員的關心台大以前有曾經函報過教育部因為台大是屬於教育部系統對於成立一個兒童的國家健康研究中心要把台大的兒醫第二期的規劃做一個先期規劃的報告書那這個部分在2023年 |
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也曾經教育部編了700多萬的經費來做一個規劃的研究那在今年年底就會完成這個規劃我想我們會持續一步步的推進部長你至於在2018年你自己也開過記者會你還記得你2018年開過的記者會嗎你提出了一個三點這三點就是說要成立一個兒童的特別委員會 |
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或者是說要指定就是國家級的兒童健康研究中心那再來就是說能夠這個政策然後這個遵循聯合國兒童基金然後包括就是擴大一些托育照顧減免稅收育兒津貼這樣子這個是2018年當時邱委員開的記者會那現在部長你現在已經貴為部長了 |
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那我剛剛提到的這部分可能就是這個兒童健康研究中心我希望就是說是不是可以在近期內趕快讓趕快由國家的資源來挹注然後趕快來上路那另外一點就是說我們一直認為所有的兒童不論是社福或者是兒童的保護都是散落在各地 |
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散落在各個單位啦那尤其這個凱凱案發生的時候大家會覺得說那這個兒虐我們一旦是發生這個兒虐的話如果是家外兒虐的話我們還要去釐清就是說施虐者他的身份譬如說他是教師或者是他是保姆或者是托營中心 |
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你還要再去這樣子去分別因為他所管轄的單位不一樣所以我在5月10號可能有一些家長要上凱道做一些訴求那我是不是可以請院長這邊也要做一些回應就是說我們是不是可以成立成立兒童的專責單位或者是兒少的專責單位目前 |
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衛福部有在進行相關的規劃我記得之前的匯報是說在五、六月份的時候他們會有一個具體的建議案出來是要用一個什麼樣的專責單位的這個級別機關或者怎麼樣來設計五、六月份是不是部長說明一下好 謝謝謝委員我想衛福部一直持續規劃跟設置而哨的一個專責的單位 |
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其實是跨本部現在相關的司署執掌並涉及業務調整人力的運動還有衛政跟社政的合作所以因為涉及到組織的重整所以我們現在非常積極的一直在討論持續來審証來評估看怎麼做來做規劃我們會全力以赴 |
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所以你們未來會朝向有一個兒童的專責單位嗎兒少的一個專責單位嗎會朝這樣子的方向來努力是院長剛剛我一開始讓你看到這樣子這十年來的新生兒人數就是要讓院長跟部長知道就是說我們所有的新生兒所有的孩子 |
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就是我們要從小就要去做好保護即便這個新生兒的人數越來越少那我剛剛講的從醫療從這個所有的兒童政策孩子一個都不能少所以我是不是可以再請院長就我剛剛講的這個兒少的專責單位 |
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是不是我們需要是不是未來有這樣的一個專責單位而不是說我們一旦發生這個兒少的議題那你還要去釐清說這個到底是哪一個單位管的 |
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剛剛部長已經說過現在朝這個方向在演繹我也知道最近就會有一個具體的建議案出來再不變動現在整個國家三級機關的這個數量情況底下能不能做一些整併這個是現在的想法除了衛福部之外 |
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我也請陳時中政委來協助加快這個速度的推動其實這個不只是現在的邱部長在邱部長前面的薛瑞元部長在更前面的陳時中部長或者是在更前面的林州元部長其實在任內都有提到就是說需要有一個兒童的專責單位那我們在這個之前 |
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我們的這個兒童局在內政部1999年就設立一個兒童局那因為主改的關係2013年直接併到我們的這個社家署那其實把所有的兒童的議題全部很多人會認為就是說那兒童這麼重要孩子這麼重要那既然是由社家署來管那一旦發生事情的話你還要再去釐清到底是哪一個單位是主責 |
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所以我在這邊是不是請院長跟部長針對這一部分我們真的要好好的去思考那既然在歷任的這個部長都有提到就是說我們需要有一個兒童的專責單位那是不是可以請院長就是說可以在這邊也做一個承諾那未來我們需要 |
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就是只是在把它恢復而已啦恢復它原本如果是以前的兒童局或是現在未來是不是有什麼兒童司或兒少的什麼樣的單位都可以就是要有一個主責單位有一個專責的單位 |
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謝謝委員長期關心兒少跟少子女化的問題我們現在研究的方案方式就跟委員的想法也是一致的我會請陳時中政委跟衛福部邱部長一起盡快時間內把它成為一個定案這個定案以後我們會跟社會再做溝通盡量把它在最快的時間完成 |
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好那部長我剛提到有我們的這個兒童醫療那還有我們的兒童的專責單位那我想就是說請院長也要去關心因為我們知道說兒童的這個醫療其實有很多這個兒醫這個兒童這個兒科的醫師其實他們很多就不願意不願意再投入這樣的兒科的醫療這個應該院長跟部長都非常的清楚那如果說這個環境沒有做好的話其實 |
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會讓這個兒童的這個醫療未來會陷入更大的一個困境所以我們希望就是說希望政府能夠正視這個問題然後投入更多的這個資源在我們的這個兒童醫療上面那之前我有在委員會的時候也有特別提到就是說我們的疫苗的處置費那這個疫苗處置費是跟其他鄰近國家來比確實是非常少的 |
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接下來我們請王振旭委員質詢請盧憲一委員請準備 |
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謝謝主席韓院長有請行政院左院長還有衛福部邱部長麻煩再請左院長、衛福部長備行 |
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黃委員好 委員好院長好 部長好今天想跟院長還有部長一起來討論如何來強化我們國人的健康資訊的整合和運用這一部分我在前面說明的時間會比較冗長所以就麻煩院長跟部長能夠擔待因為我們知道自從健康台灣推動委員會 |
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第一次會議的時候就有定調在這個健康台灣願景規劃裡面我們可以看到其實很多的健康台灣的計畫跟策略都必須要有很好的資料整合與運用這個部分不只是要跨不同的政府部會同時是跨公司部門的 |
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這個包括888計畫包括全民心理健康韌性計畫國家癌症防治計畫還有智慧醫療長照三年齡等等如果我們以擴大推動心理健康知識為例的話我們從希望能夠強化民眾的心理健康過程來看光是在青少年這一部分就可能會涉及到衛福部還有教育部的資料整合 |
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當然也會包括到內政部還有請政署的資料整合針對整體的民眾而言我們希望在推動這個過程裡面不管是在哪一個生命週期可能在青少年 |
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或者是在就業期甚至到成熟老年期以後相關的各種不同的特定人口群的心理健康事實上都需要有一個比較完整的資訊的整合那我相信這個部分院長也會非常非常的關心那進一步針對國家癌症防治的計畫為例的話我們也知道它需要的就是一個橫向的包括各個部會施主的這個整防治的資源 |
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在眾項而言還會包括整合到衛生、醫療、機構、院所還有民間機構、團體等等我們都了解其實癌症的防治最重要的就是在它發病 |
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在得到整段癌症之前我們就希望能夠來做一些預防那這個預防裡面前端的預防像是運動、營養還有飲食等等各種的生活習慣將來會涉及到的就是運動部還有農業部相關的資訊那如果在工作的場域方面還有生活環境的這些癌症風險因此的管控 |
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還會涉及到的就是有勞動部還有環境部等等的權責所以如何能夠運用這些資訊的整合來降低癌症的死亡率這個需要行政院 |
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進行這個跨部會的整合來一起處理我們最後再想利用有關賴總統在第三次的健康台灣推動委員會裡面特別提到想要推動這個整合健診資料來防止慢性病為例的話我們可以發現說在這個部分至少有三個問題需要去了解第一個就是要如何整合 |
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散落在各個部會各個單位甚至在各個類型的人員手上的資料第二部分我們到底要採取立法來強制整合呢或者是要用 |
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誘因的鼓勵模式來加強這個整合當然第三點就是有關於資安各自的保護還有開放運用的法源是不是有所依據所以我們可以從這張國內各類型的見證法源跟資料持有者的示意圖來看 |
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我們看到的就是不同對象的類別不管是勞工、學生、公務人員或國人等等它有不同的法源依據可以得到相關的這些見證的資料 |
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我們知道從法務、公務人員跟公費的健檢資料來看相對來講處理起來是比較方便的可是針對於勞工的健檢資料學生的健檢資料甚至是國人自費的健檢的資料事實上如果要來整合進入到我們慢性病防治的健檢資料庫的話是有它一定的困難度所以在這個挑戰上面 |
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我們有三個層次的建議包括第一個就是利用憲法法庭在111年憲判13號要求立法的機會來擴大處理健康資料的整合運用 |
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那如果退而求其是要先通過這個健保資料庫法規來處理的話那也希望未來能夠再盡快研議後續的修法時程跟它的完整的內容那其他如果是要定調用 |
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政策計畫或者是行政命令來處理的話那也希望有一個完整的配套措施我們認為國人的健康資料在整合運用之前我們都必須要完善的跟社會做好完整的溝通來確保這個治安跟各自的 |
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各方面的保障讓人民可以很放心的知道說國家未來在使用這些健康資料的時候對人民還有對個人的健康都是有完整的保障而且是最有利用價值的那這樣的社會的信任才是政策能夠推動好的一個前提所以在這部分我們很期待能夠透過院長 |
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這邊多了解一下希望未來在這一部分如何有更好的想法或者是在規劃上有哪一些的期程請院長好 謝謝王委員在健康台灣 |
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非常成功的論壇提出的健康台灣的深耕計畫確實讓國內在整個醫療環境上面有了很多更充實的想法那其中我們對於像癌症像罕病像三高已經發病已經有病在身上我們有一套完整的醫療計畫我個人認為在一般國人身上兩個部分非常重要一個是健康促進一個是精準醫療 |
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健康促進會讓大家改變生活習慣精準醫療會降低我們在醫療上面的成本也讓病人少於痛苦那這兩個部分要做到就必須要委員所說的這些資訊的整合運用非常非常的重要 |
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那台灣有30年非常豐富的健保的資訊在這個我們現在已經在著手在研究對過去的怎麼處理未來的發生怎麼處理那現在在各自保障以及充分信任的原則底下拿出來如何有效來運用才讓國人在健康醫療方面得到更多的保障正是現在在做的工作這個也是說我們委員所說的醫療韌性跟它的永續發展這點是非常重要我們正朝這個方向來做 |
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好 謝謝院長所以我們很期待未來在資料的整合可以有更前瞻的做法來完成這樣的任務的政策要求接下來希望跟院長還有部長討論一下如何能夠把危機變成轉機就是如何能夠利用這次關稅的影響來對世界產業鏈的衝擊能夠提升我國在醫療產業的發展跟韌性 |
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院長我們知道其實最近很多很多的議題都跟這個美國總統川普對於關稅對全世界造成了影響那就從這個醫藥的原料藥或者是醫材原料各方面來講的話我們知道這個成本可能會有所影響那以原料藥為例全球最主要原料的供給國就是包括中國還有印度那即便將來會在美國製造 |
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最後可能也因為這些成本的影響提高而會轉嫁到消費者會不會就會造成全球藥品跟醫材運用整體性的提高這個都是讓我們所擔心的面對這樣的關稅衝擊其實在衛房委員會 |
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4月16號也排了專案的報告那個時候部長也在這個諮詢過程裡面也做了一些相對的答覆那我在那天的會議上面除了強調藥品跟這個醫材以外事實上還有兩個非常重要的就是有關於疫苗還有血液製劑的這個供應的穩定 |
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那我們也知道其實現在是有一些政策來針對於這個疫苗跟血液製劑的供應有相對的這個處理模式可是我們期待的是將來政府能不能夠更積極投入更多的資源有更明確的政策來讓我們這次所碰到的危機變成一個轉機所以我們也期待 |
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在這個部分有更好的健康產業的新方向包括建立我們本土的產業鏈來整合進全球的供應鏈裡面還有醫療產業能夠納入經貿的戰略分散供應的來源進而強化資源的投入納入韌性特別條例跟預算 |
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這部分院長利用4100億其實也有所琢磨最後當然更期待的是可以 |
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提升我們國家整體的戰略規劃來長期支援益助讓這個危機轉化為轉機期待我們在整個醫療韌性上面不只從這個需求來看而已而是希望能夠讓這樣的國家的整體戰略可以達到未來的目標那這部分不知道院長或者是部長有沒有相關的看法好 謝謝委員的指教委員提出來的健康產業的新方向 |
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就是我們一直在做的事情那我特別再補充的就是我們剛剛委員提到的幾點第一個當然大家最關心的疫苗那我們在健康台灣的推動小組裡面也成立了國家疫苗產業推動小組那這個也開了兩三次會議把產業跟我們技術還有怎麼樣在台灣落實我們國產 |
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發展國產的一個疫苗這是中長期要去做的目標那以短期來講因為我們在防疫的疫苗裡面因為短期的供應不會有立即的影響因為我們都是簽長期的約所以大致上短期不會影響但是長期來講我們已經成立了一個國家疫苗產業推動小組來進行這件事情那至於其他 |
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醫材或者是藥品方面我們也強調也一直在推動本土化像4月26號我們公告兩個辦法就是對藥品我們鼓勵學民藥的產業在台灣的製造建立本土的一個產業鏈 |
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那在中醫藥方面我們也希望在原料不要一直靠國外我們希望我們台灣有很多地方是可以產很好的產品我們一起中西我們這些都是本土化來對藥品做一個穩定我想這個部分都是增加我們醫材醫藥方面的韌性好 謝謝 |
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再來我想要跟院長跟部長來討論一下有關於商保協同健保的可能性我們知道這個是一個重要議題如何能夠再強化我們整體的除了現有的全民健保跟商業保險以外提供強化醫療保障第二層的健保政策線這是由民眾志願參加的一個保險這個其實在論壇去年已經完成了國會院完成這個論壇以後 |
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也已經撰寫成書等一下我會把這本書獻給院長來做個參考這一部分在這個討論的過程裡面其實有一部分的主力是來自於保險業者或者是相關的業者所以這部分我們很希望能夠有更進一步的政策可行性的探索以外也能不能請院長來責成政委 |
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進一步來做後續的討論那最好是有財經相關的政委來協助跨部會的研議因為我們所了解的這個主力是來自於保險業者的話那這部分的推動期待有他的未來性不知道這部分院長可不可以有所允諾我們健保的體系相當完整在這完整的前提底下但是國人加入商業保險的 |
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這個比例也相當的高那如果在兩邊的整合現在是到了一個可以檢討的時候所以我所知道健保署也委託了國衛院在做相關的規劃但是剛剛委員所提醒的是要把這些有些商業模式的概念帶進來才能夠在未來是否可行性的評估上面得到更真實那這一點委員的建議我們會請國衛部來接受這樣的建議 |
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好 謝謝那最後一部分也可能要麻煩彭部長就是有關於這個醫療體系環保永續的策略其實賴總統也非常強調這個節能減碳那醫療院所針對這個運用ESCO達到節能減碳的目標也曾經去過長庚醫院那魏晃也去過長庚醫院做了相關的這些努力的了解那彭部長也希望能夠透過導入綠色金融 |
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目前醫院裡面就是長庚體系做得最積極現在我們政府有兩個方式一個是環境部是負責施力的醫院 |
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比較大型的私立醫院公立的醫院是經濟部在做協助我們大部分已經開始在協助他們診斷了診斷完了之後就要媒合媒合目前私立醫院走得比較順暢公立醫院的確有一點點難度因為基本上他的資源或是他招標的形式比較難進行資金的部分沒有問題因為金管會也協助我們如果需要資金的話金管會的壽險資金都可以來做協助 |
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所以現在未來這幾個月是在媒合當中我們希望可以達到委員的目標好 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝王哲熹委員質詢 謝謝卓院長 衛福部長 環保環境部部長備詢 謝謝接下來我們請盧憲英委員質詢 李彥秀委員請準備 |
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主席有請院長跟環境部長麻煩再請卓院長環保部長備詢 |
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今天我們來談談我們再生能源因為越來越多關電或者是風力發電想要在我們原住民地區來做設施我們來看一下現在美國的比例大概是多少我剛剛資料是美國現在太陽能的話是22%我們台灣現在是5%也就是說可能以後我們會來越多的關電設施我們可以預期 |
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那現在考一下捧部長就是說如果一千戶的話大概需要多少的關店面積一千Mega一千戶一千個家庭 |
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一千個家庭這個比較難這樣算我有查資料他說是32 Acre那也就是說英畝那如果換成甲的話是13.35甲那如果我們再這樣算如果以後我們要增加那麼多的關電我們以後要設在哪裡你們想過我們大概以後的maximum要到哪一個多少個公畝還是多少個甲的一個關電設施 |
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要到幾萬公頃的確如果要大的話以後原住民地區可能會越來越多所以我們就討論到原基法的第21條就是說政府或私人與原住民土地或部落及周邊一定範圍內的公有土地從事土地開發資源利用生態保育及學術研究應諮商必取的原住民族或部落同意或參與 |
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那利益有源民族應該可以共同來分享那現在呢就是公有土地的這個部分跟私有土地這個部分是最受爭議的因為為了業者為了規避很多的一些法令他就是去找了私有地所以在我們 |
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那個台東的海端鄉的管理員就拉了白布條說這個私人土地是1.5公頃可是縣政府後來就說他是符合所謂的環保的環評那我是希望部長這邊在環評的部分能不能好好把關 |
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報告委員因為目前是針對於山坡地超過15公頃我們現在是訂單環評但是關於原民關切的部分其實我們環評裡面如果大家有意見的話我們可以列入考慮在裡面未來環評來進行修正不過基本上這個還是要跟原住民基本法裡面的諮商的部分因為這個是兩個平行的時空所以我今年有提出一個修法就是說希望私有土地能夠部落統一 |
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至少住在這個土地的原住民能夠知道或者是同意這件事情這樣會阻力會比較少可以嗎這個就是可能要在原住民基本法裡面來討論這個東西那我們環評的部分的話我們可以考慮來例如說原民部落這個部分多大的面積要來環評這個部分我們也可以來考慮來做這些規劃 |
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就風力發電的部分我剛看了就是大概今年的三月就是造成台東縣很多我們無論是縣長議長或者是立委他們都強烈的反對說要在我們東海岸設置風電那部長你的態度呢 |
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報告委員因為今年我們環評委員審到好幾個陸域風機的案子大概都非常的因為基本上陸域風機超過500公尺半徑的話其實它對於民眾的生活上的確是受到很大的影響所以今年的確有好幾個陸域風機特別是在彰化還有台東屏東的都沒有通過 |
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所以其實關於台東那個案件的話我也主動因為我知道台東的民眾很關心這個問題在我們環境部的臉書不過他還沒有正式開發他是預想要開發所以我們也表示說如果要進行陸域風險的開發一定要 |
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特別特別的注意那我們個人來說的話是不鼓勵因為其實這個台灣的土地面積很小如果要有這麼大規模的入域縫隙很難找到地方所以我們基本上一定要相信所以這邊還是要強烈建議就是說以後如果要設置的話至少要離部落五百公尺以上因為他們設置的地點有些是非常近現在規定就是五百公尺距離就一定要做環評 |
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我做一個數字給部長參考就是500公尺以內如果造成所謂的低頻噪音的話每增加7.86個分貝會造成心跳變快就是說如果說10分貝每增加10分貝的話可能他一天的心跳多了一萬多下所以這個部分就會造成以後無論是心血管無論是他的腦神經衰弱這些部分 |
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就是他們低頻噪音造成的所以這個概念就是要有所以他國外的研究說希望是五百公尺以上是有依據的而不是隨便亂說的現在就是五百公尺距離這個建築物五百公尺都必須要環頻接下來請我們衛生部長謝謝環境部長麻煩請衛福部長請備詢 |
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因為每次看到我的話應該還是要想到原建法原建法再過一個月就要兩年了所以我們再講一次專責單位的重要性那為什麼一直要這麼說因為原住民地區確實是非常的辛苦然後每次我們都在講就是衛生所在幾乎承接了所有的 |
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所謂的醫療的照顧那其實我在選舉期間我一直都在說希望能夠衛生所能夠升級升級呢就是比如說變成小醫院或者是醫院的層級規模的時候裡面的醫生的科別才會多護理人員才會增加不然每次都是固定一個地段一個護士所以六個村就是六個護士可是現在的問題五花八門 |
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那個防疫的時候要做防疫有個案死亡的時候要去做香菸這些事情或者說打疫苗的時候全部都要其實都是這幾個人在輪流做嘛所以其實如果說把你有專責單位的話去研究我們原鄉地區的衛生所能不能做一個升級以後呢我們才有下一步的可能不然人力永遠都是緊繃在那裡 |
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可以嗎 部長 要不要明年的時候我再來專責單位還是沒有成立所以委員的意思是要提升原鄉衛生所的人力你人力就是要把衛生所升級以後才有人力才可以進來不然我每次都說衛生所只有兩個醫生他編制就是這樣嘛那你如果說你變成是比如說霧台鄉醫院偏遠地區醫院的話他是不是科別就會變多護理人員也可以相對變多做長照的人也可以進來 |
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不然你永遠都是12個人的編制做那麼多事情我想委員長期在基層的衛生所服務很了解到他的服務他可以說是前往位的一個一健康一體的概念在服務的整個社區那我想這個部在人力上的確 |
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不管是醫護相關工位的人才都相當的辛苦是不是我們可以先這個部分我們一般都是先協調縣市衛生局能夠給予資源不管是在人員或者是在醫院的協助之下因為衛生所一般來講都會跟醫院合作所以這個部分如果能夠充分的來合作相信可以解決 |
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目前的問題其實這個也不只在原鄉連在雲林的鄉下哪裡都是這個問題所以應該可以盤點全國特偏地區或是偏遠地區衛生所的人力編制不是每個地區都一樣然後上次提到救護車的事情就是說 |
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明明就是有看到救護車可是沒有救護車司機備請嘛那其實以後可以把衛生所跟消防隊能夠蓋近一點像以前我在霧台衛生所服務的時候消防隊就在隔壁所以不是有後送的時候是不是很方便那像上次發生那個死亡案件就是因為他是衛生所在他前面可是他要叫消防隊是在好幾公里以外來的時候已經超過20分鐘以上 |
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那就是會造成這樣的一個所謂的一個盲點所以其實如果你要救護車要有人開當然一定要有人沒有司機所以你把衛生所跟消防隊如果蓋近一點說不定以後他們人力可以互相搭配然後就可以輪流休息而不是永遠這批人累死了這邊的人就是可以放假這樣你不覺得這樣比較合理嗎對 因為這樣會比較有效力好 那 |
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接下來就是我想問你萊豬的你的態度看到新聞說澳洲的萊豬可以進來了現在的單位是說是法定容許的量對不對 部長法定是0.01那現在查驗出來是0.001ppm所以是在我們的法定國際標準的容許量以下對 那我跟院長我報告一個 |
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資訊就是說2022年環境醫學有一個報告就是萊豬的無論你是不是容許範圍就是反正我們現在按照我們現在的法定的容許量好了他會加速動脈周狀硬化高血脂症也就是說增加我們心臟的一些所謂的風險在所以其實我們不要說他我們國家為了 |
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什麼政策造成說可以容許檢出當然我們還是希望能夠零檢出啦不過還是要告訴說潛在的風險是在這裡不是因為說我們要去完全去block掉這個東西可是你要知道它的危害所以你要告訴國人說這個有這方面的疑慮所以還是要標示可以嗎 |
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相關的報導也告訴我們說它已經是累積到相當程度的量它才會造成這一個反應出來那我們認為現在從國內的實用的狀況來講都不會到達那個量但是我們還是要提醒 |
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肉商販賣的業者跟國人能夠自力提高經濟因為畢竟現在是從澳洲來的所以希望標示能夠還是知道他是澳洲所以國人才可以做選擇第二個就是我們原住民就是我們公費養成計畫這個部分跟部長討論現在他們在公費生在分發的時候有七個順序就是說他可以到原住民地區衛生所可以到原住民地區所屬醫院可以到所屬非教學院這些七個 |
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所以很多選項不過現在有一個陳情就是說他是原住民公費生他想要到診所去服務結果沒有辦法那其實在專科護理師的公費生其實是可以到偏遠地區的診所服務還公費可是醫生卻沒有辦法然後其實我們在這個所謂的七個順序別裡面他有一個第五項就是 |
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原住民地區長期照顧管理中心或是長期照顧服務機構這第五項是他可以到哪裡服務那如果這個診所是做居家醫療的我覺得這是同類型的所以這個同類型的話我覺得可以開放或者是說我們把它直接設置第八點就是說 |
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本席說建議設置原住民地區提供基層醫療居家醫療社區整合照護或安寧照護的服務診所應該作為公務生可以作為公費生旅行服務醫務的單位這是我的第八條建議所以希望以後我們有空的時候可以討論這一點 |
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好 謝謝委員我想這個問題我們其實一直都有討論過因為現在的服務型態已經從醫院、診所到社區我們所工作已經從居家醫療到全診照顧到安寧的一個照顧所以但是問題做這些的團隊其實他是很辛苦而且如果在偏遠地區或山地離島那距離更遠所以其實是 |
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不太有人要做啦所以如果把這個也加進去在裡面在排行七裡面也不一定要第八啦他可能會在前面一點讓更多的這些公會醫師能夠回到到其實他醫院裡有時候也沒有位子了但是所以他沒辦法回去服務那如果有願意做居家醫療安寧照顧這種比較辛苦的比較沒人做的 |
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我相信他的順序是可以把他排在前面所以部長同意嗎同意就是說我們來研議因為這種比你你如果只是說我去那邊開業那可能當時當跟當時當初設立的原理就不太一樣而且也會引起其他的一個已經在那邊開業的意思的不同的意見 |
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最後一個問題就是關於那個就是有波波醫師的爭議的很多醫師單位跟我反映然後是要跟部長強烈的建議就是說新修正的醫師法施行細則裡面他有些他覺得他的一律我念給你聽 |
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也基大學教學品質的慷慮就是第一個第二個就是說遠距教學他也被承認然後見習時數可以當作實習時數第四個就是說他認為你是土地特定人士那你會要不要做一些辨別報告委員我想那個細則其實是按照原來的版本把它規劃得更嚴格一點那如果說大家還有誤解的話我想我們都會坐下來談沒有問題 |
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因為比如說演技但是在特別疫情的時候你如果沒有這一條的話大概就我們大概所有的大學的連高中生當時都不用畢業了因為很多連我兒子連建中差不多兩三年大概有一年半都是在視訊所以你沒有這樣的一個規範讓他完整其實也不行那另外在 |
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認定的這個部分那是一個國家每一個國家它有不同的制度我們尊重國家的制度如果這個大家還有疑惑我覺得都可以做下來所以你還是要請那些反波波一式的團體可以跟你們一起討論啊沒問題沒問題他們都沒有被尊重我們非常樂意來討論 |
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那部長我們有一些養成計畫的公飛生還在外面流浪我想說你還是請特定的就是我們的工作人員或者官員去關心他們去問他們何去何從因為這些沒有被分發的一些公飛畢業生已經超過百位所以希望你可以組一個所謂的小組去協助他們未來怎麼辦可以嗎 |
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還沒有分發的公會醫師我想這個部分我們政府有責任來了解我們訓練這麼多醫生他已經訓練好了可是就是沒辦法回去服務這個部分我們怎麼樣讓他到適當的地方來服務我們的人民我想我們會很用心來研議好 謝謝部長好 謝謝盧憲英委員的質詢我們謝謝卓院長 衛福部長的悲情 謝謝接下來我們請李彥秀委員質詢 麥玉珍委員請準備 |
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謝謝院長,我是不是可以邀請卓院長以及邱部長麻煩請卓院長、衛福部長備詢 |
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議員好院長好部長好即將就任滿一年那我也需要好好的去盤點就任一年無論是賴總統過去在選舉的政策也好或者是過去我在衛黃委員會或者是我們在同一個質詢台關注的重要政策議題我們到底落實了多少院長你同不同意我今天的大標公司協力改善 |
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我們醫療勞動的環境是需要公司共同來協力你同不同意我的大標應該是這樣做的沒錯嘛譬如說我們要老闆幫員工加薪我們幫員工加薪我們另外一個用意是我們希望民間也可以老闆也可以呼應我們的政策也幫民間的勞工加薪嘛對不對那我們有足夠的誘因給他們 |
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有些獎勵政策或許他們就有更多的誘因可以去加薪所以大圓則也感謝院長您的方向是同意的我們現在部長我們現在正在修特管法的修法我們也強調說要幫醫事人員加薪其中我們要求醫院要幫醫事人員加薪從基本薪資加到基本薪資的兩倍診所的部分我們則要求要幫醫事人員希望能夠達到基本薪資的1.5倍 |
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這個政策當然在醫界有引起不同的反應當然我們賴總統常在喊健康台灣健康台灣健康台灣絕對不是只有總統在總統府裡面開幾次的會議 |
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會議之後我們怎麼樣利用我們政府有的工具跟政策去做更多的落實這才是總統開會主要的目的對不對方向上過去去年也好今年也好我們利用醫事人員的勞動條件我們從公務預算撥了40億 |
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去用於三班輪值夜班的護理人員的直接獎勵我們更從健保的總額裡面花了41.56億總共加起來總共有80億左右我們在調整醫事人員的環境護理人員的環境這些政策我都支持我也覺得方向是正確的但是院長部長 |
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我們的醫療院所裡面不是只有護理人員我們還有藥師我們還有檢驗師我們還有放射師大家都很辛苦院長你同意我的說法嘛對不對大家都很辛苦分工負責的狀況底下 |
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對方向上也不是只有夜班的同仁辛苦其實白班夜班大夜班大家都很辛苦所以我們有沒有辦法其實我質詢了很多次我在財務會有質詢了很多次我有問財政部長說我們有沒有什麼樣的工具像我們在現行的中小企業發展條例當中我們有提供營業稅的租稅的優惠 |
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院長 卓院長我們有提供營業稅的出稅優惠給企業但是我們的醫療院所我們的診所它不是營利單位所以它沒有機會減稅這就是我今天的大標我覺得公私合力我們要給足夠的誘因讓這些診所雖然那個誘因可能出稅優惠只有一點點 |
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但是這個是我們政府給的蘿蔔我們希望透過這個蘿蔔可以讓他們也給藥師也好 給檢驗師也好更多的加薪的機會所以這個政策我們也希望部長可以折成橫向部會的聯繫給邱部長更多的工具可以去做這些處理 出稅優惠的處理部長可不可以 院長可不可以 部長可不可以 |
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院長你先講好了我們對於醫院是直接給獎勵的我知道院長因為我今天議題很多所以你直接告訴我就說工具上一般醫院的律師直接給獎勵三班負面品達到標準的醫院直接給獎勵這些獎勵他就可以放到白班的家給家綺或是一些其他的醫療人員 |
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這個我都知道但是不是只有護理人員醫院裡面還有檢驗室醫藥師所以我剛才講的是我們能不能透過醫管法的修法我們用什麼樣的方式給診所也好因為他不是營利事業所的他不是營業所所以他沒有機會從 |
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租稅優惠上面去做處理所以我覺得要從修法的方向去做處理所以是不是可以責成部長去做後續法上面的去調整我也問過財政部部長他也同意但是你必須啟動這樣的政策才有機會在租稅優惠的上面去免稅譬如說診所他是租的那怎麼樣因為他給員工加薪他給護理人員加薪他給藥師加薪所以我們給他租稅上的優惠 |
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人力準備的方案我們是今年才實施去年才實施應該給他到各醫院去執行一段時間看看如果效果很好我們可以加碼如果還有需要補強法治化的過程我們再來檢討部長你很清楚問題點在哪裡診所你沒有給他的工具他怎麼去加薪所以我覺得可以去研議 |
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跟委員報告這一年來我們的政府真的預祝了很多的經費到我們醫療院所而且非常期待是給我們所有的醫事人員包括診所也要吧監測它是不是有確實到我們醫事人員的薪資 |
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這是我們一直在努力的那另外在稅務的部分我想這是多年來一直在努力的事情那我們也會尊重醫事團體的爭取我們來協助合理的處理 |
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好謝謝部長因為我今天時間很有限我已經問了很多次我只是給你足夠的工具我希望所有醫事人員都可以加薪不是只有在醫院在醫療診所裡面我只是提供你這樣的政策跟方向你可以去做處理我是善意的提醒 |
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來第二個就是我們長期關注的疫苗處置費部長你長期也都去參加各式各樣的學會我們也都承諾他們要提出相關的問題我們希望健康台灣不是只有賴總統的淪為口號那包括在106年的時候你我都是在當立法委員的時候我們在胃黃委員會都爭取了包括常規疫苗處置費的接種 |
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一歲以下後來我們爭取到106年我們爭取到100塊那後續包括107年我們就國小前的接種我們都達到爭取到那個補助費所有的都可以達到100塊就是1到7歲疫苗的接種我們都100塊的儲置費但是我們看一下表格 |
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我們鄰近幾個國家我們一劑是一百塊錢日本政府在給予疫苗處置費的補助的部分是每一劑一千一到一千六百五十塊韓國是五百到一千一劑是一千塊反觀我們是只有一劑一百塊這個在醫事人員勞動的條件環境上我覺得我們政府是帶頭貶低醫療服務價值 |
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在我看來我比照世界各國我們最喜歡比照世界各國但是我們看光比這個疫苗處置費的部分我就認為我們的醫生為什麼都是血汗醫生他們都自己常在喊說我們的醫療價值被貶低了我想你是醫界出身你最清楚我在說什麼邱部長 |
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所以我覺得應該要調高我們的疫苗處置費每一次參加學會的時候你在現場我也都給你錄音你也都同意我們要想辦法我們要找錢我們要想辦法所以我們要全面的提高全年齡的疫苗處置費在短期的部分我更認為特別要照顧小朋友的部分兒童的疫苗的接種部分我們也應該要去 |
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提升我們現在一百塊而已嘛我們應該要去提升至少在七歲以下我們應該要想辦法去提升你有承諾過我有聽到我有在現場部長是的這一百塊韓國一劑是一千一我想疫苗處置會當然剛剛提的這個數據可能在我們要釐清他有沒有包括 |
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那個疫苗在裡面那沒關係但是的確要打一個給小孩子的疫苗真的很不簡單你把他打下去那個護士還被小孩子踢個兩腳的都有都有 |
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要判斷他能不能打這也是很醫療的專業所以你同不同意部長你只要承諾我同不同意會研議在疫苗基金的一個產源的情況之下我們來研議怎麼樣來做謝謝部長你的回應另外一個就是疫苗的配送的部分因為我們現在疫苗都是譬如說診所的醫生自己去領取那個冷鏈的過程有沒有達到那個標準 |
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其實都有一些風險我覺得也應該由政府去建制冷鏈的配送機制有的天氣這麼熱有時候他帶一個什麼我不知道他是不是用保溫袋我不知道啦萬一如果那個配送的標準冷鏈的機制不一那都會影響疫苗的品質所以我覺得領取疫苗由我們政府來配送或用什麼樣的配送機制我覺得我們應該全國一致性的去做演繹部長你懂我的意思嗎 |
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好 我想因為每一個診所的設備不太一樣的確有蠻多診所在冷鏈的處理上面會產生他過去拿的人的標準 保溫的標準都不一定會影響冷鏈的品質我們會請各縣市的衛生局 |
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其實他們都很用心在幫忙我沒有鎖定他們的用心但是我覺得為了保障疫苗的品質我覺得更應該就是一個一致性還是要感謝各縣市衛生局其實在這方面都很努力在幫忙 |
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部長因為我知道但是我提醒的是我們應該要有一個一致冷鏈的配送機制政府來要求甚至來補助來講一個SOP的標準我們疫苗送到各診所那個疫苗才不會配送過程當中有品質的影響打下去的效果就有差院長你應該聽懂我在講什麼啦 |
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我覺得這個是我中心的建議但我覺得這應該是一致性的去處理好 最後幾點我長期要求的之前我在講 帶狀性炮症疫苗院長跟部長在現場都答應我要去做評估 |
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那到現在已經又過了半年你們已經上任一年了我要的是一個HTA的報告書今天不管我們有沒有錢可以做我們要做風險評估才能去編列預算我們才知道高風險群哪些我們應該有機會施打不要說連一個風險評估連一個研究報告書都做不出來那我們所有委員坐在這邊質詢就沒有意義所有的疫苗政策是重要的 |
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我覺得一個評估報告書應該不困難院長你了解我意思嗎我要一個帶狀性泡診的一個評估報告書今天不管我們能不能全國國人都施打還是我們給高風險群施打還是我們施打要多少錢我們總要一個評估報告我們才知道我們可不可以做我們要不要做 |
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我在這邊院長你應該有印象這不是我質詢第一次我長期關注這個議題我現在不是要求說你給我錢我希望三個月裡面給我一個HTA的評估報告書我知道部長非常的努力但我覺得這件事情到現在我問了第二次了還沒有落實到所以部長可不可以提供我這個報告書 |
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好的 報告委員 其實我們都有一個ACIP 就是疫苗評估小組他會針對疫苗裡面我們特別針對帶段炮準 我們特別來評估來跟委員報告好 因為我只剩下兩分半鐘的時間另外最後一個 我長期關注的 有時候失智症 |
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院長部長現在失智症的人越來越多114年開始我們修改了失智症的照護計畫我們現在分兩種一種是社區型的失智據點另外一個是醫院內的全責失智據點這兩個失智據點其實我覺得做得非常的好 |
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那我們現在衛福部把用差異化的照顧方式有一些可能他有一些症狀的我們就把他移到醫院的全職機關去做照護這件事情方向是對的我個人也肯定但是這會變成說我們現在社區失智據點的照顧我們本來是獲得補助是有十個人我們才能補助偏向我們是五個人那我們有一些症狀發生的時候我們現在移到醫院去我是支持的 |
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但是現在就變成社區沒有補助那很多人就做不下去就不願意做院長 部長我要提的是高齡化社會之後我覺得 |
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失智症的人有可能越來越多這對年輕人來說也是一個負擔我不希望因為現在已經有的十個人有的一個BPSD的照顧據點因為我們標準是十個人才補助這個據點因為有一些我們標準移到有一些項目的標準我們移到醫院去那他只剩下八個人 七個人他就做不下去 他就不做了 |
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那當然我覺得這件事情是可惜的因為有一些已經有一些前兆的人他本身就在社區據點已經我們在訓練教育避免他狀況惡化所以這件事情我覺得是不是在重新再研議一下補助的標準可不可以好我想施志政如果施志的 |
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你答應我就好了啦 部長 院長這個很簡單啦 這個實質證可以齁一個機構如果不是很大 十個人要照顧就已經很困難了我們覺得我們應該從這觀點來看 是不是需要把這個徹底來檢討一下真的照顧需要照顧的人 |
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就是譬如說八個人你也可以去照顧因為也真的是很辛苦我們高齡化說好我最後一件關稅三二十秒這個議題很重要所以我們這次在關稅的談判當中其實我關注的是美方其實一直關注的一件事情我們沒有提到的我們美國代表相關的議題有提到我們健保的核價制度我們健保核價制度美國其實一直在關注未來我們會不會因為談判去調整我們未來健保制度談判的方法跟方式你直接回應我部長 |
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謝謝李燕秀委員的質詢,謝謝卓院長、衛福部長備詢,謝謝 |
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委員會登記第九位楊耀偉委員之諮詢書面提出請行政院書面打覆並列入記錄刊登公報再接下來請麥玉珍委員諮詢廖偉祥委員請準備 |
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院長好 有請勞動部部長麻煩請勞動部長備詢麻煩院長好 |
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副長好 你有在立法院在詢答中親口承認會啟動就業安定基金追回程序現在已經三個月過去了 審計部認證被濫用的7200 |
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7萬224萬你說會追回現在變成要縣行政院爭取未來年度的公務預算來補你的洞請教部長你還認得自己嗎 |
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這就是你要追回的方法嗎你現在不遠而直接就讓全民買單嗎你連在立院執行答應的都可以翻臉不認賬你這不是在惡整勞工嗎在欺騙企業嗎你現在又用什麼auto來讓民眾相信你會追責呢 |
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我會按審計部的要求來啟動追回的程序我希望你講重點不要講重點你怎麼樣去做蔓圓這就是重點 |
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我說了 我從頭到尾都是說 三個月了所以說 三個月前跟三個月後 我都是說就是你做的事情在二診嗎二元我要講重點啊 你要讓我講重點啊好 重點 重點是 我一直以來都是說我會按照審計部的要求來啟動追回的程序 |
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審計部在後來的這個認定的報告裡面很清楚的是跟我們說這是修正簡列是修正簡列所以後來我的回答我們基本上都是按照審計部的要求來說明我們會來啟動後續相關的程序後續相關的程序是要用我們公務預算來去補這個洞 |
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是這樣子嗎麥委員審計部最後在審計的報告裡面是認定這是修正檢列 |
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修正檢列的意思就是修正檢列的意思不是拿我們人民的血和錢啊蔓委員你沒有了解修正檢列的意思蔓委員我現在講的就是重點審計部是認定修正檢列也就是說在他給我們的報告裡面 |
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是很清楚包括這一段時間的過程裡面是說這是可以是合屬公預算的資用的範圍這些錢都花掉了你說這樣子的審計部都認定了所以說有一些我覺得你要換個位置要換個腦袋但是問題不在職務不在職務在思維你現在的思維你要 |
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你要去刮別人的鬍子之前先把你的鬍子刮乾淨先前要把這樣子的話你的頭鞋不代表你的格局所以你有位子但是不代表你的品格高漲你到處去宣傳你叫做我們的藍白二整勞工你才真正的二整勞工三個月了我們沒有看到你的成績 |
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我們才看到你的高處來去說沒錢辦訊也沒錢管變勞檢人力結果呢你們拿錢拿救安基金去養婉君去辦演唱會更離譜的你們現在還打算不追回了還想想胖就拿我們政府的錢來給你 |
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如果司法已經確認勞動部亂花錢,你要如何去追究?你說已經改革上路了,但是我請問你的改革是什麼?到底是改什麼革? |
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那你要不要讓我說明好,一分鐘好,第一個勞動部是一個行政機關我們必須按照審計的要求來進行後續的相關的程序這件事情從頭到尾我都是這樣子主張到目前為止我們都是按照審計的要求來進行後續的程序 |
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第二個你跟我說相關的改革相關的改革已經開始啟動了勞動部在一月的時候就已經提出救安基金的三個面向跟六個策略的改革的計畫目前改革是現在進行式就追回的做法我要跟委員說明委員你剛才說錯了 |
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現在是審計部已經下了相關的認定但是司法的部分也就是檢調的部分確實還在做相關的偵辦所以我才問你說如何去追究對於個人責任的部分不要說就一直在說審計部我們會配合我希望我們我們這邊不要再去 |
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沒錯 但是你問題 你的改革我們沒有看到 已經三個月了都聽你的講而已啦 你很厲害所以我們希望你怎麼去追究 現在已經上路了你要的 你是真的 你說的 你現在你就是追究怎麼去追款 我們要的具體的 好不好如果你說有了 你就是要準備怎麼樣去幫我們不是 |
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看到你的你不追回你還要用說準備用我們人民的血汗錢幫你去還債這個就是你的改革你的改革花個這大聲的但是呢實際這事在於包括讓這些讓人民誰進發 |
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現在我希望你要提出最具體的立即追回不準規定還有嚴懲的到底部長你能做到嗎就是要兌現你對人民的承諾所以你現在你能做到嗎不用再去說審計部你能不能做到把這筆錢追回才是你要承諾的事情 |
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這七千多萬就是來自審計部的報告所以我們從頭到尾都按照審計部所列出來的事情不是要做報告你如何來去追回不是用我們人民的血汗錢來拔你的坑不是這樣子的所以我們希望我們來的是解決問題不是來給你氣董拔杯啦我以為你說的水流傳播但是要沒拔票啦我們要的是實質 |
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所以說這個部分我們希望的是實質承諾對我們人民要追回這個錢不是要去說審計部要說什麼錢這個部分你要真正的對人民承諾不用再跟我解釋第二個我要請問你的議員你在質詢我你叫我不要跟你解釋 |
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你不用跟我解釋你要對人民交代所以你說這題你要對人民交代是追回不要再去說那些對個人責任的部分我們會配合檢調配合司法來做個人責任的追究甚至是追討我希望你要去真實的我不用跟你解釋我時間有限你已經在浪費我的時間了你沒有回答真正的問題你沒辦法去承諾你就直接說承諾就好了回答那麼多幹嘛你浪費我的時間你要把時間賠給我 |
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現在我們要問那個第二題了我叫你要承諾的要追回不是要講其他的我們都按照審計部的相關的要求辦理我要問第二題了 |
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他沒有對我承諾所以他浪費我時間可以停止我時間沒有他要賠我時間好近期我們僑生在台灣留學的制度所以要怎麼樣去包裝成為以補我們勞動力的缺口這替代品就像說不開放移工的李樹葉現在呢卻引進我們的僑生還有說我們東南亞的外籍實習生以實習的名義實際上 |
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却变成就是补充我们台湾劳动力的短缺的救济到场所以当这些乔生还有外籍生实际成为劳动力的时候我们产生的实习仪 |
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工作邊緣的模糊的情況勞動部有跟我們僑委會共同去針對這些實習生還有場域的監督查訪還有有沒有明確實習生於工作的界線的範疇內回答一下 |
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關於僑生的部分主管機關是教育部跟僑委會 |
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我問你的不是說你跟他怎麼樣我跟你的是問你的說你們的監督權現在是實習生實習生變成是一個就是廉價的勞動所以我們要問你的是在這樣子的實習的時候我們沒有開放移工但是呢在服務業的時候勞動部是否就是 |
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默認就是企業以僑生實習的方式就是變相的雇用如何確保這些實習生的有沒有符合勞動的基準法中的用於技術生的規範與權益我問了他們的工作的權益 |
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蔓園因為喬生他是一個學生的身份學生的身份他做實習實習的部分確實主管機關是教育部然後喬也會來協助那如果喬生畢業了以後他要留台工作這個部分就會是勞動部主管的部分 |
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我問東你講西所以說你完全你不是專業嗎我問的是說現在的實習生實習生就是就是現在他們在這邊做的時候業者違法批用實習生申請了管道或者他的保障 |
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有沒有對他們有幫助事實他來讀書是一回事但是他既在實習在工作的時候是你在管啥的所以說在關於這個你都沒有去管事實習的部分還是教育部在主管的 |
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在勞動基準中基準法中他使用基督生來的就放回來去用的權利他還是在勞導這邊的你不用再去講那個那個不是他讀書的是教育不管 |
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喬生是他來讀書的管這工作是你管的很簡單的事情你回答五三三所以說我們希望這個比例還有他的實習的時數產學合一他們已經簽了但是實習的時數還有實習的品質或者是真的是他的實習嗎還是就是變成打工我們要的是說你今天要去讀書要進來讀書還是來做工作 |
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我們希望說在工作他是實習但是會不會變成是廉價的勞工所以我們希望要爭取人才留在台灣所以希望說目前我們的學生在台灣有保障所以才要去問你但是你一問三不知但是再來我再問你的我不知道你懂不懂 |
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這個我沒有疑問三不知我還是要再說明一次學生的實習這部分不是勞動部主管的沒有勞動部主管是你在主管的因為他一定要有工作時數時數的時候就是你在管的 |
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所以呢他是有打工的時候是你在管的所以我才問你有沒有管到就完全你沒有在管所以你不知道所以第二個我在問你的是說我們就強調說我們應該爭取人才留在台灣 |
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但是目前我們僑生畢業後呢留在台灣找工作一年可以延長到兩年但是呢在這個工作時間找工作的時間他們完全不能做任何的工作所以對他們來說是不是可以放寬讓這個一個 |
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那個僑生他在找工作畢業後這兩年是不是有一些他可以去接案就是比較特定的類別就是自媒體啊社企啊文創啊有沒有考慮放寬讓這個僑生在找工作的時間他有接這樣子的案不能說我找工作兩年沒辦法做什麼我就沒辦法 |
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如果喬生已經畢業了他找工作的階段我們確實有在思考怎麼樣擴大喬生可以留在台灣工作的可能性包括其實讓他相關的工作的許可能夠放得更寬鬆 |
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那這部分我們確實有在這個相關的政策有在研議中但是我這邊指的是喬森已經畢業以後他進入到找工作的這個階段但是實習的部分還是不在我說的範圍裡那我就問董事長我知道說范寬斯說他的資本額是企業的我問的是這兩年在找工作的時間他規定上是不能去工作但是在這兩年什麼都不能做他要找工作很辛苦 |
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什麼都不能做是不是放寬讓他們有可以做一些接單的或者是說自媒體的設計的文創的所以說考慮就是特定類別跟特殊的知道嗎不是說什麼都可以做 |
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所以呢我講的是畢業後放寬跟他這兩年不一樣不一樣啦你真的跳沒有啦所以呢你也不知道啦所以說這是我們現在要跟你好 |
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謝謝主席 有請我們卓院長 |
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麻煩再請卓院長備詢廖委員好院長好 院長辛苦了院長第一題我想要請問一下有關明年度各級的學校寒假跟農曆春假中間有三天你可以看一下簡報上面 |
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還有2月11號到2月13號這個空窗期然後馬上又接著是農曆的過年所以這事情其實有很多的家長抱怨大家都覺得學校這樣子的放假安排是很荒謬行程的規劃會大亂然後返鄉的車票也不好買最重要是孩子學習的連貫性也是一個問題更不要忘記冬季還是流感的流行季 |
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那很多公衛的學者也說盡量不要大規模的人流移動也可能造成醫療體系的負荷所以希望院長您看到這個狀況是不是可以體諒跟理解家長老師和這個醫療體系他們相關的擔憂是不是這個部分因為休假部分行政部門應該就可以去修改這個相關的規則可不可以請院長在這部分體諒一下學生和這些家長們相關的擔憂 |
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確實因為明年這個春節的時間的提前所以變成說當有一天這個未來補假的問題會產生問題228好像這一天我如果沒有記錯到228這一天如果補假會變成沒有放假又變成補假所以院長我是希望在大年初四這一天對我是希望說您這個這個部分是不是可以去調整有非常多的家長在反映我們現在在 |
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過春節連假的當中這一天我們有在注意到這三天有空窗期啊再請院長是不是回去研議一下看怎麼把它調整不然連貫在一起這個要跟教育單位去各個提醒謝謝米倫的提醒好不好那院長再來我想要請教一下你你有沒有看過這個美國白宮的經濟顧問委員會的主席米倫在入閣前他有提出的報告中的一項計畫左邊這邊 |
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他其實就是現在的海湖莊園協議那他提到關稅作為談判工具那他的目的是要逼迫其他國家升值他們的匯率並購買美國國債最終讓美元大幅貶值那這份計畫就是所謂的海湖莊園協議那他裡面也提到經過一連串的這個關稅懲罰性關稅之後貿易夥伴 |
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更容易接受某種形式的貨幣協議來換取降低關稅那麼現在其實很多人也是幾乎所有的財經學者都在說這個海湖狀元協議其實就是廣場協議2.0的版本那這個海湖狀元協議裡面還有一個核心理念院長 |
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請聽一下就是美國提供軍事保護那貿易夥伴需要付出的代價包含配合美國讓貨幣升值以換取 |
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這個美元貶值然後購買低利率的超長期美國國債來減輕美國的債務壓力那其實這聽起來是很瘋狂可是其實他很符合川普覺得盟友應該為美國軍事保護買單他不喜歡美元太強的這個概念那根據上面的內容以及相關的報導其實台灣可以說對美國來講是一個 |
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這個有關商周也說這叫做夢幻客戶那有幾個條件台灣都滿足第一個我們高度仰賴美國市場第二個需要美國的保護第三個也深怕我們美國視為我們是匯率操縱國 |
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所以也是被認為說我們是很快迅速在這個慘判中會妥協的那院長在這部分也很巧在五月一號行政院五月一號的時候稱台美完成首輪磋商那隔天五月二號匯率就大升值所以因此根據前面所說我想大家最想問的就是究竟我們是否在這個匯率上面跟美國有達成某種協議嗎 |
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5月1號的這個由副院長領軍的談判團跟美方的協議談判過程當中我再次重調沒有涉及任何的關稅問題是好我知道匯率問題我有看你們這兩天的說法其實基本上您跟楊建宗總裁還有賴清德總統都說是沒有涉及到匯率可是我從上述的幾個論證幾個事件 |
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告訴你其實很難讓民眾相信但因為這麼巧就在這個時候台幣的匯率暴升不過我就想追問那請問目前你們說沒有但未來是否會將匯率跟這個超長期的低利率美國國債當成談判籌碼之一以換取低關稅以及美國提供的軍事保護 |
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目前談判的內容當然我們不便對外說但是我們有說明的現在談判的內容就是在對等關稅 非關稅貿易障礙 出國管制 經濟安全等等 |
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那也就是說您不排除把這兩項當成是未來的籌碼之一這個說法我早上說過不能這麼武斷的說排除不排除還沒有發生的事情還沒發生那就是不排除啦其實院長應該就是這樣啦關稅跟非關稅貿易障礙還有出國管制另外還有經濟安全來做好院長我要提醒你啦 就是說 |
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你剛剛這句話其實就是在算是避重用詞你不能這樣解讀我絕對沒有這樣的意思其實簡單來講你是說不能排除好沒關係我想要跟院長說的是在1985年的廣場協議之後其實可以看到日本的下場就是失落了30年不管是經濟房地產或者是產業外移所以其實有這次的前車之鑒你可以看到 |
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跟美日談判的時候日本首相是強硬的表示不會為了協議犧牲日本的利益那我這裡要再請院長因為你剛剛還是沒有辦法講清楚嘛那我還是說希望站在國家利益不要一味的妥協不要短視應該為了我們國家的利益長遠的利益來著想不要讓這個海湖狀元協議變成台灣的廣場協議2.0好嗎 |
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這個總統在聲明當中已經說過了他會爭取國家的利益他也不會放過任何一個產業但是院長我跟你講這前後這樣子講起來其實以上不管執政團隊有沒有談或者是有沒有把它未來變成是一個籌碼之一 |
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其實我們在這裡要對國人做一個正面的宣示就是談判的過程沒有匯率院長您先聽我講完吧好我現在沒有在講這個我現在告訴你說不管到底有沒有相不相信這個你們講你們覺得我也都相信你們講的話但是現在的重點事實擺在眼前的是還沒變成籌碼之一我們台幣就已經迅速的升值 |
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已經迅速的升值所以我想要請教院長在台幣迅速升值跟關稅的雙夾擊之下這樣對於我國出口產業的短期衝擊和長期衝擊是什麼請教院長 |
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最近一周以來台幣的強勁的升值當然對我們的產業造成相當大的衝擊那我們現在包括央行也從過去穩定貨幣的相關政策之下我們持續的加強各種觀察院長你曉得短期衝擊是什麼嗎?您可以舉幾個例子嗎?我說的是這個禮拜以來啦上個禮拜到現在 |
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匯率急速升值這件事情照理說應該已經要去評估了吧好沒關係院長你如果沒有辦法條列式的講出來我跟你講有幾個衝擊第一個毛利率跟獲利縮水這個很嚴重部分的代工業和製造業他一夕就是轉成本來的譬如說5%好了他迅速拉升了10%他就虧錢了這個單就虧錢了 |
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甚至我們地方上有產業界的龍頭說他一年出口已經被下訂了五千個貨櫃就迅速升值可能會虧爆打到建股他本來還不是出口美國他本來是歐洲市場所以他本來沒有想到這麼嚴重連匯率都變成這樣的情況之下他基本上是被打到建股 |
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這是第一個跟我們的院長報告第一個短期的衝擊第二個是現金流跟他的財務壓力那第三個就是訂單的成本和採購延後第四個是避險的成本跟他們要操作的難度很拉高這些中小企業大企業可能還可以小企業就很辛苦還有另外同業的競爭力跟市場的地位這五個是短期衝擊 |
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那再來長期衝擊長期這樣子維持我們的匯率往上走請問院長我要告訴你的是第一個長期的他的毛利跟獲利也會持續的壓縮再來我們國家出口量跟訂單會縮減再來就是我們生產的產地跟供應鏈要重組 |
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所以再來最後一個是我們的產業的結構轉型的壓力所以我就想要我剛剛問的問題就是顯示出院長你們好像對於這個評估並沒有很詳細的評估這讓我們的中小企業很擔心委員你這個 |
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非常有學術專業但是我跟你們報告央行長期對匯率的掌握就是定期在做這樣的評估只是現在針對快速上漲的這幾天以來央行昨天已經對外宣布了他的說法那我再進一步問你 |
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那對於這個勞工的評估勞工權益的衝擊因為剛剛講是產業的部分那接下來最重要我們最關心的也就是我們的勞工我們產業支持不下去的時候失業勞工的狀況就可能會發生所以我們其實現在很擔心這個我剛剛也苦口婆心的在問的就是看到目前為止行政院好像對於關稅之外對於這個匯率的雙重的夾擊 |
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並沒有去做一個很詳盡的評估剛剛已經說了這個是讓我們很擔心的央行長期以來定期在做這些評估你又說沒有評估這不對啊其實這個題目啊上週二啊這個牛許廷委員也問了問你們有沒有做關稅關稅以外有沒有做匯率衝擊的評估其實你們那時候回答的就是沒有所以過了一個禮拜之後央行定期都有來報告相關的內容昨天央行已經對外說了我們要點出嚴重性喔所以想要問你喔其實 |
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在我國現在美國市場簡單來講我們衝擊很大本來關稅是第一個衝擊美國的衝擊再來就是匯率提升之外就是出口商等等的然後再來就是我們國人就業問題那還有一些所謂的這個上市公司鼓勵有一些股民的權益也可能會受到這個影響所以其實我上次在質詢的時候也說 |
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這次4100億的這個預算裡面你們針對這個農工產業的補助是930億那其實我是認為遠遠不夠那對於勞犬的部分是150億所以這個部分我想要請這個院長剛剛講到衝擊評估的部分第一個是不是可以請院長盡速的 |
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將這個有關於關稅以及匯率的雙重夾擊之下的不同情境可不可以有個比較這個嚴謹的評估報告可以交給本席包含比如說1比30有沒有辦法維穩在1比30左右那如果掉到1比28或是掉到1比25會發生什麼事情受衝擊的產業規模跟人數勞工的人數這是我們現在關心的事情要拜託院長 |
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另外外界也普遍認為新台幣的30元就是維持在1比30的部分是心理跟經濟的雙重關卡如果守不住的話也會恐怕不只是無薪假的問題也可能引發大規模的失業所以包含我們中部的關鍵產業工具機來講所以2024年的時候其實我們比2014年的工具機產業已經下滑65% |
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可是今年又遇到這樣子的匯率升值很可能會滅團很擔心會有大量的倒閉潮和滅團那張忠謀董事長曾經也說過新台幣如果對美元如果升值1%他們的營業利率就會減少0.4%甚至有一些評估就是關於上市櫃公司可能縮減的是7.5%其實我們要講的是這些詳細的數據這些是一些金融行業估出來的 |
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所以我們其實最擔心的就是最終吳興跟柴源草的來臨那本席這邊希望因為過去你們上次是編930億那支持勞工150億可是你同時有拿了1500億來做所謂的任性但是其實我們在看的時候跟所謂的關稅跟我們的匯率跟民生的關聯不大那我這邊是覺得這1500億應該是不是歸回公務總預算裡面那應該把這1500億立即注入 |
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跟這些勞工產業有關的急迫需求所以本席的具體建議包含我們勞工的部分因為勞工部長也上來嘛其實我很擔心的是這個那我們希望具體建議的是 |
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我希望勞工權益的部分在這4100立面的益利可以加高那包含著什麼包含著產業的部分的話就是金融支持因為現在已經不只是對美出口的基期的問題你上次說是10%基期的問題現在已經不只是這個部分是全部出口產業 |
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所以這部分也要滾動調整要請院長回去金融支持的部分要加大第二個勞動的部分我們希望可以增加我們的勞工權益就是我們安心及時上工這個東西可以請我們的部長因為這個過去在疫情期間是有這樣子的支持那現在因為要還有一定的程序要走因為它不是常態性的所以這個部分是不是可以請院長和部長回去去盡速的研議 |
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其實過去相關有的就業工具其實我們都已經盤點都已經做相關的準備了可是每一個工具要實施的時間點適合的時間點可能不同現在可能比較會先要先處理的事情是關於減班休息這個企業如果發生減班休息的話我們怎麼如何因應來支持勞工那剛剛廖委員說的安心及時上工我們其實也做了相關的盤點 |
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可是這部分比較是要來創造比較多的公部門的就業的機會來容納失業的勞工那這個部分我們已經做相關的盤點了可是它的實施的時間點可能會跟請問你們現在盤點的時程跟這個規模有沒有反映到現在即將可能來臨的這是第一件事我們現在的工具都已經做了盤點了 |
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現在是來看哪一個工具不同的適合的時間點我現在提出這兩個具體的要求請您回去研議這兩件事第二個是長年有的請你擴大它的人數和它的規模那再請你們提供一份報告給本席班好 謝謝廖偉強委員的資訊麻煩請行政院將廖委員所取的資料交委員辦公室謝謝卓院長 謝謝勞動部長備詢我們現在休息五分鐘 |
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主席 各位官員 卓院長 大家好還有媒體朋友 我想首先請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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主委好相信您對這個Economist已經被詢問非常多了但本席今天比較關心的是上禮拜其實我有延續問到天然氣這個問題我想問的是他點出我們台灣的一個國安問題也就是我們能源的海運依賴性他計算出來我們的能源海運依賴性達到97.3%我想請教院長你有沒有什麼解決下降這個依賴性的方案或是方法 |
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我們用LNG天然氣來轉換成來取代煤這是一個橋接的過程在國家的能源政策上面這是橋接過程所必須要面臨的當然我們也知道儲存的期間運送的方式對國家的挑戰是很大的但是相較底下如果讓繼續燃燒煤的話對國人的健康空氣的污染 |
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減碳淨零的目標更遙遠不過不管是煤或者是天然氣其實它還是海運的依賴性非常的大但是輕重有別我現在等一下還會再給你看一些國外的智庫或者是媒體或是學者給您的一些資料事實上美方給過我們非常多的建議那我相信卓院長也有聆聽他們對我們軍事方面的建議對吧 |
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也有討論過一些機會當然最近他們非常頻繁的從3月之後也許是因為全世界都知道我們5月17號以後核電就沒有了我們就是成為正式的非核家園所以全世界有在注意我們的能源政策還有我們的國安危機等等的 |
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那當然我也覺得我可以跟院長一起來看一下美方對我們有什麼具體的建議那為什麼會提古立言是因為他從三月開始不管是在他自己個人還有他去演講的場合其中包括我跟賴清德總統都同時出席的美國商會他都有講到這樣子的話那昨天呢他也發文了 |
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他還發到AIT官方的粉絲專頁上面他講到說其實美國願意盡全力來協助解決台灣的能源需求包括在核能方面美國準備好例如小型的反應爐SMR也樂意幫助台灣解決核廢料儲存的挑戰因為你也知道我們在教育委員會討論的時候其實許多委員還是提到核廢料這樣子的問題 |
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所以美方已經提出關於核能不管是願意協助您的方案或者是您覺得很燙手的這個核廢料的問題不知道您有沒有希望可以跟他們達成一個合作或是跟他們有初步的對話呢好 報告委員三項原則是我們一直對外來宣布第一個就是核能的安全沒有顧慮第二是核廢料有適當的去處第三個就是當社會有共識所以 |
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我是沒有辦法很確定要如何幫我們處理核廢料那我們現在已經很多核廢料沒有辦法處理那你還問我說核廢料放在我家我要不要收多少錢其實他只是釋出了一個您可以去找他對談或是找他合作他開了一個窗口我現在只是問您有沒有願意去跟他談論這些 |
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我們對於新的核能跟解決現在目前傳統核能的問題我們都樂於採取開放態度找任何專家來談找任何可以解決的方式共同來研究非常好那我也期待未來可以看到您跟鼓勵員或是AIT可以有一個這樣子的會談 |
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他之前在接受台北時報的專訪也有講到說很多美國其實想要來擴大投資比如說AI但是因為我們高度的依賴進口所以很容易受到封鎖的影響他也在這篇採訪中有提到說包括美國包括日本都有重啟核能另外像我們衛黃委員會有去核三做一個考察不管是專家學者的評估或者是美國舉出許多核電研議安全的例子 |
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他們是準備好了要幫我們所以我只是想知道在這個這麼急迫的時間因為下一篇媒體其實也蠻急的很多國際焦點都在台灣其實他們都蠻急的我知道院長對於剛上面三個方向也講了很久我聽了您跟許多委員的答詢我只想知道說你有沒有一個期程會去做我們可以開啟這個對話的窗口你說新的核能技術嗎 |
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是 就是美國所提到的他願意協助我們的核廢料主體等等剛剛處長有提到SMR我們知道SMR還在一個相當漫長的研究的階段他要商轉可能還有一個相當長的時間 |
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但是我們也願意在這個時候就來討論甚至在技術上如果可以增進我們未來能源的穩定的話當然是可以討論的一個話題那現在我們也在四方各方去尋求各種在新進技術上面的各種資訊 |
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好 那我希望看到你們有正式的會談接下來我們要給你看華爾街日報他所評論的他的標題其實寫的讓大家也覺得對於能源政策是不是符合我們的國家安全感到緊張他說其實北京是喜歡台灣非核家園的他認為台灣把自己弄到能源的脆弱性是自找的 |
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因為我們現在您剛提到很多再生能源可是再生能源之前有開了一些支票這些支票的比例是跳票的那我們現在又貿然把核電全部停掉更是加大了我們最依賴海運的天然氣或是煤大家都已經點出相同的一個問題了所以我現在也想要知道說您會不會願意聆聽這些國際專家們的建議把這些建議全部納為您未來一個考量 |
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是的,雖然我們也非常的了解多元發展綠能台灣自己的產業跟國際大廠來都需要買綠電這個前提是一直存在的那我們還是認為說多元發展綠能是我們整個能源穩定供電當中一環重點還是尋求安全穩定的供電這個是政府最高的原則 |
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但是現在的前提是當大家國際社會對你的能源安全有疑慮的時候你是不是綠電你還沒有辦法達到您所開出來的支票的比例那中間是不是有其他的替代方案嗎跟委員報告到2032年之前我們新的電廠我們從南部的這個大林還有中部的通宵 |
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還有台中還有南部的興達北部的大潭跟協和六大電廠如果完成加上民營的IPP民營電廠我們的供電量是足以應付的 |
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我會把這句話記得說您的功力量是足以應付的那當然最後我只想要close一下因為我們現在是台美最好的時刻所以我也在這邊誠摯的建議院長美方對於我們安全的顧慮不斷的建議我也希望您親美也可以聽到我們一起來聆聽我們美國好朋友對我們最真摯而且非常平凡的這些建議好嗎台灣 |
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要走向全世界不能專聽一個國家或是少數國家的意見我剛講的Economist是歐洲的我們都要聽大家的意見我也曾經上網去找很多國際的媒體有沒有其他的利潤基礎但是現在一致都是很擔心我們的韌性所以在這邊就是提醒院長那剛剛院長也做了一個結論也就是我們是OK的 |
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剛剛院長做了結論嘛 我們就在這邊留下一個記錄我們自己的電廠跟民營電廠都工程順利完成 情況底下我們是安全無虞的現在我們的責任就是讓這些電廠能夠依時序來上路好 我們下一個 |
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想要提到這個是我們的陳時中政委他在四月底的時候接受了天下雜誌的專訪他的標題就寫到說台灣的生育率全球後短半他也蠻擔心的因為落後日本 |
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倒數第二現在南韓正在急起直衝再來他說我們年輕人撫養老人很快在幾十年以內就會從2比1變成1比1他有提到幾個重點他有說到說比如他認為我們補貼的其實是不足的等一下我引用一些數據再來 |
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他的標題就提到說他認同台灣的單身女性想生孩子而且政府必須要支持最後呢他有講到說我們的環境職場的環境不夠友善育兒這個相信上次我們兩個也一起討論過今天我們要再更深入的去探討所以第一點我們就是要講的是上個會期非常非常可惜啦我覺得最後可能有一點流於這個 |
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民進黨扛不太住內部的政治壓力最後呢是署長還有部長說雖然提出來的草案現在可能各個委員還沒有辦法達到共識不過他們其實早就準備好了A版跟B版所以隨時都可以再拿出來選擇先把人工生殖法脫鉤那脫鉤的話當然對於許多的單身女性也是樂見其成因為他們的卵巢他們的卵子沒有辦法遭受這樣子年齡上的等待嘛 |
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所以至今呢你們說當時你們手上就已經備好兩個版本了那現在已經過了四個月了我是希望知道說什麼時候行政院才可以送到立法院這樣子的你們早就準備好的版本 |
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因為這個那個人工生殖法正如委員所提的我們是經過預告然後聽了很多的聲音以後其實部長你很簡單的給我大概一個月兩個月三個月半年你稍微給我一個數字就好大家關心這個議題的人是想要知道一個時程應該在 |
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下個會期前會下個會期以前好那這個就是本席需要知道的答案就這樣子而已謝謝部長 |
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再來我們看這個圖主委長已經看過非常多次了2019年蔡英文喊出0到6歲國家一起養的政策以後我們台灣的新生兒人數是這個降的速度實在是太快了不忍心看啦越跌越快龍年比兔年少原本你們預期的高點這個也是大家都已經問過你的 |
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那這邊呢 他在專訪中 陳政委在專訪中講到說對比其他面臨少子化危機的國家比如說法國或日本他認為我們投資的比例是低的你有沒有機會我們可以把這樣子總預算的比例再來拉高呢您覺得 您認同嗎這個報告委員 |
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國家的財政能力持續在改善當中所以我覺得我們更有能力來面對這樣的問題而且少子女化的問題是國安問題我們承諾在明年的預算當中一定想辦法來寬裂人口對策的這個方式 |
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是那陳時中政委他有一個蠻具體而且他應該訪查過非常多的人所提出的他認為啦現在政府所提供的育兒津貼零零總總第一個很難選擇第二個你要到處去蒐集那我試算過了如果我們就台北市來看啊你把每一個津貼都領完可能還不到兩萬塊但是政委他認為覺得一定要讓人民有感有感他認為是折合台幣三萬元 |
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他這樣子才會有感才讓年輕人有動力來生小孩不曉得我們這邊是不是有機會可以努力的去配合到他認為這個有感的方案現在我們正進入到明年 |
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總預算 概算的構想當中但是一方面因為國際的情勢到底是變化萬千我們恆珠國內我們自己的財政能力我剛剛已經答應過委員了在人口對策的這個向下我們會想盡辦法來編列寬裕的是的 我這邊也只是希望您可以在一個月內給我一個可行性的評估跟報告好嗎 |
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就把我們的概算一直往前走我覺得大概就可以了解到我們的方向最後呢我要講這個 |
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彈性工時彈性的育兒這是陳時中政委也很重視因為他說企業必須要依照員工來提供相對應的彈性價因為人力很吃緊而且台灣八成是中小企業這個事辦計畫真的做得非常的差我在這邊先給您看一段我質詢等一下可以跟你邀到一個書面資料你已經找誰做的溝通跟統整 |
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部長在委員會的質詢的時候是跟我說他跟很多的機關團體都做過討論不過他沒有留下會議記錄非常的可惜那這個他還講不出什麼時候可以開始事辦計畫但我也用他之前的質詢來告訴院長他遇到什麼問題 |
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我們都很清楚可是我們必須起步我們不能再逃避這個問題了院長現在擺在眼前的是我們接下來的這個狀況會越惡劣問題會越大會越不公平性別不平等問題也會更加劇這是現在的問題所以就算沒辦法完全解決我們也必須面對現在是我們這個時間點已經不得不做的事情所以我很希望我們可以從行政院的角度來去處理這個問題我也不希望只是丟給勞動部 |
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他從2023年的年底,您可以看得出來洪部長非常的急,我覺得甚至他這個急迫的程度是更甚於我啦他從2023年年底就很關心這樣子的議題,請問您可以在一個月內也可以評估這個可行性嗎?因為我們從2023年我就用 |
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洪偉仁當時的質詢來告訴你遇到的困境是因為院長必須要整合衛福部還有勞動部才能夠一起做到可不可以在公務部門做事辦計畫 |
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我覺得洪委員到洪部長熱情絲毫沒有改變是 看得出來那個跟陳委員報告到目前為止我們都還非常非常積極的跟包括跟相關的團體跟產業跟企業在討論彈性暈流停的事辦的方案我們希望能夠做得更到位甚至更彈性多久以內我們可以看到這個院長所主持的可行性報告 |
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好 謝謝陳金威委員質詢謝謝卓院長衛福部還有勞動部兩位部長的背景 謝謝接下來我們請林淑芬委員質詢馬文君委員請準備 |
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好 謝謝院長 是不是卓院長需要喝一口水嗎麻煩卓院長喝口水以後再備選 |
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議員好院長辛苦了大概是去年的10月1號大概是8個月了我在這裡也是總質詢那詢問你關於這個形式上的糾紛的醫療鑑定的問題 |
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那這個就是我再提醒你一下就是刑事訴訟法208條修法以後有關於刑事的醫療糾紛沒有辦法因為醫療醫事鑑定停擺所以所有的刑事訴訟都沒有辦法進行那這個事情我想我會在這裡八個月以後繼續質詢你就知道事情沒有解決 |
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那在去年的5月1號到現在修法到現在已經剛好整整滿一年了你可以可想而知台灣一年會有多少醫療糾紛需要刑事訴訟而刑事訴訟的前提要建立在醫療糾紛的醫事責任鑑定上面 |
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那新的修法規定說所有的鑑定你都必須自然人要拒絕、要拒明而且要倒庭以言辭說明那對現行的醫事上的鑑定制度造成很大的衝擊那我又提醒你說我們的醫審會他們拒絕再鑑定了 |
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所以從去年的大概8月15號以後吧8月15號到現在也將近9個月了我們的醫審會拒絕全台灣拒絕受理任何的醫療糾紛的醫事鑑定 |
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所以他們拒絕受理鑑定以後,到現在累積了將近有700件醫療糾紛的案子因為這一次的修法,而導致法務部檢查單位都沒有辦法進行刑事訴訟的程序 |
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那衛福部也堅持立場這個司法院也堅持立場而八個月以前我拜託你能不能進行願計協調那時候你答應我可是到現在仍然停擺怎麼辦 |
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部長為什麼八個月來我們的進展如此之慢沒有再收到新的一個報告非常抱歉部長能不能說明一下我再補充一點部長你可以想一下我覺得這個東西對人民很不公平因為會形成一種壓力 |
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他會逼迫所有醫療糾紛的兩兆雙方反正你有沒有辦法訴訟這位已經發生了一位啊你不要給我擱啊 我們去協調和解好像是實質上在廢除這個醫療責任的這個刑事責任了好像廢除了 好像真正的去刑責化了醫療糾紛去刑責化 |
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要真的去行這話也可以 大家社會來對話 修法可是沒有修法 逼迫很多人被迫要去協調 被迫要去和解拖了一年 眼看著訴訟無望 只好覺得身心俱疲沒有辦法再去為自己討公道 只好被迫和解 |
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又少數幾個案子是這樣子但絕大多數都還是繼續在要爭一口氣要還給家屬或是病人公道但是這個到底是司法院繼續堅持己見衛福部繼續堅持己見然後兩兆雙方拖著犧牲的都是病人的權益 |
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報告委員其實我們非常重視這個問題也一直在溝通這絕對需要院紀協調的喔所以本部以高等檢察署已經研議短期間解決方案第一個檢察機關...郭台銘你看你都要再看過代表你對這件事說不要緊你都要看過這件事我不知道問過幾百遍 |
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有鑑定的需要可以洽詢相關的協會或公會你親在公共法律上本來就是這樣寫但是我問你有幾個人你講的時候可以洽詢醫事團體、醫學會、醫院、個別醫生還包括醫省會請問有幾件啊你在這裡給我這樣子敘以為疑請問你剛剛講的可以洽詢請問有真正去洽詢有進行訴訟的有幾件你回答得出來嗎 |
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如果你回答不出來 不要在這裡對立委虛疑委疑你在這裡是要對人民負責啊你犧牲了每一個告訴人的 當事人的這個訴訟的權益耶所以在這種狀況裡面 我們當初知道司法院一意孤行的修法導致行政機關下的法務部 衛福部 三方僵持不下犧牲了告訴人的權益耶 |
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| transcript.whisperx[817].end |
31055.108 |
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那我現在問你全台到現在684件的依舊有312件送醫省會被推薦他不是先擱置就強迫兩兆雙方你不要搞了強迫他犧牲自己的權利放棄自己的權利乾脆你們被迫他是被迫去和解但是他總的來講他不能追他的權利被你們冰凍起來才被迫 |
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| transcript.whisperx[818].end |
31067.006 |
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現在想一個辦法要改革 保庭你不知道你裡面有辦法嗎你現在不知道你裡面跟高檢署想了一個方法嗎你不知道喔你不知道 你知不知道我們5月1號開始要辦理一個醫療專業意見的示範計畫這個可以解決大概 |
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據了解可以解決九成啦九成 可以解決九成我擔心的是你連一成都沒有辦法解決你解決了九成的是行政程序的困擾但你沒有辦法解決的是司法程序的困擾你現在 以醫療專業的意見給檢察機關作為刑事這個偵辦的參考 |
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連可行性可不可以都不知道所以你們5月1號開始要試辦一個照原來的鑑定的模式但你們要說醫審會的鑑定報告不是鑑定報告了不去鑑定報告的司法的準要件了你們要把它變成專業的意見僅供參考 |
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僅供檢查機關法務部參考那共識就是說它是詢問你們衛福部的專業的醫療的專業意見作為偵查階段的參考可是它不是醫療鑑定 |
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然後沒有具名 不需要拒絕 也不需要出庭去結問可是新的刑事訴訟法就不允許這樣子的規定所以你解決了你們檢查機關可能會說依據醫生會衛福部提供的專業的意見認為他可能有涉及疏失 然後可能這樣子要給人家起訴 |
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這樣子有辦法起訴嗎起訴以後送到司法院有辦法變成呈堂證供嗎有嗎報告委員拖了這麼一段時間覺得非常的不好意思但這個事情經過行政院林立新政委跟司法院的協調才產生出現在示範這個不是司法院協調這個是高檢署 |
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法務部 衛福部自己提供出來解決行政部門 解決檢查機關要怎麼起訴 怎麼辦案件的困難但是這個沒有經過法院的同意沒有經過司法院的同意 |
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所以你起訴可能可能你的起訴到司法院以後有沒有辦法到法院那一端有沒有辦法進行真正的訴訟這個起訴的法律要件完不完備可能都是問號 |
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我相信林明星政委都有經過一些徵詢的方式 政委都是行政部門啊對 都有經過一個徵詢的方式但因為這個方式5月1號開始試辦這不是陳行委員 我們用一兩個月的時間看他能不能解決一些問題但是你要找司法院來商量啊這是你們行政部門自己想出來自己認為的那你們行政部門要踢到司法院司法院再踢回來 |
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一年了 院長一年了所以我才說這是需要院紀協調的制度面的問題我們是不是5月1號開始試辦讓他有一段時間我們來看看有沒有辦法解決如果沒有辦法解決或者是要更好的方法那我跟委員我們一起 我也承諾我們會再經過林平清政委再去研究看看如何跟司法院用院紀的方式來商討這個問題 |
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不是已經跟你們提醒8個月了你們說要願即協商也談了8個月了可是我現在講醫改會醫改會其實有一些建議其實你們衛福部也要聽進去你們檢查機關也要聽進去 |
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他說現在依選會的鑑定的制度方法就是不問不答反正我就幫你鑑定鑑定完以後我就出具書面資料然後呢有些法官在審的時候就說你這個鑑定報告未涵蓋完整的這個問題然後呢法官就會問很多問題 |
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在這種問問題的時候就擔心說這個鑑定的流程混亂且耗時所以醫改會建議要建立更具體的提問機制避免概括性的假設性的詢問確保鑑定的醫師能準確的回答核心問題所以這個需要要求的是司法院的法官 |
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需要要求的是我們醫審會所以明確完整的鑑定和提問的機制這沒有兩院合作做不來的第二個要提升法官對醫療鑑定的專業的認知醫界跟司法界台灣最精英的兩大勢力一個是第三類組的第一名又是第一類組的第一名嘛所以有高度的專業落差如果法官跟律師對於醫療專業的知識缺乏理解 |
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他要仰賴就是鑑定報告啊所以要透過專業的評析案依法的交流提高司法人員在函許難解讀鑑定報告的時候的專業素養確保問題能夠精準聚焦在案件的核心可是這個這個要跟司法院講啊你們要去跟司法院講啊報告委員二月的時候林明新政委確實有招 |
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市法院 衛福部 法務部跟台高檢來討論這個事情沒有結論所以才有5月1號的這個醫療專業意見的事辦那是不是請求委員我就跟你講你們這個鑑定報告跟刑事訴訟法的規定所有的鑑定報告證據力要自然人簽名 拒絕 要上庭這個都不符合啦 |
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我現在告訴你從法律的要件來看都不符合那個程序然後醫改會還認為第三個要優化鑑定制度確保報告的公信力過去醫審會的鑑定報告為什麼會被法院提案要修法因為常常被批評問A答B或者是引用可信度極低的文獻甚至缺少完整的論證過程為了提升鑑定的公信力 |
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醫改會建議現在鑑定至少有兩個出鑑的時候有兩個醫師來出鑑避免單一一個醫師他的鑑定結果就定生死所以有預算的問題喔所以在這裡面衛福部醫事師很多年對這個預算大家都覺得叫醫審會去鑑定啊因為有編列預算啊所以這個預算資源有沒有投入也很重要喔那我們現在講 |
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大家都覺得說這個問題司法院怎麼會這麼覺得很容易的事情為什麼衛福部做不到為什麼台灣醫生做不到因為台灣就是有困難國外的這個鑑定他有時候這個國土很大嘛東岸的問題叫西岸的人來鑑定那台灣就是這麼小某些特殊手術或是醫療方式少數醫師能執行所以你再怎麼匿名化再怎麼去識別化或者雙盲大家都猜得出來 |
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那也有人建議說找專職的醫療鑑定委員設定退休的醫師來做專職的醫療鑑定 設立這個制度但是這沒辦法 台灣的醫生 你退休之後來做大家都覺得醫療科技推陳初心 速度相當快你今天這個專科 下面還有次專科所以你要去鑑定的時候 人家會挑戰你說 |
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你在這個領域發表了幾篇的論文你有多少貢獻你有什麼能力來幫我做鑑定以前也很多的醫師的確被鑑定在鑑定的時候被肉搜被關說甚至被告台灣就是這麼特殊我可以理解這個醫生的壓力所以在這種狀況台灣的醫療環境這麼狹隘那我們第一線的檢察官負擔也很沉重在這種狀況裡面醫法要合作 |
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雙向要溝通醫醫省會制度也要改善衛福部也要給他支援司法院這些法官的授訓也要在觀念上在溝通制度面都要所以這個東西的確就是需要願即協商願即合作而我們就是需要這樣可是拖了八個月 |
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那你現在推一個這種一看就不符合現行的刑事訴訟法的規定那你說做做看我們也不反對那要做多久可以運作嗎可以嗎你們可以保證可以運作嗎這個東西看起來只有行政部門自己在講沒有找司法院 |
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你現在有願意要施行的這個計畫沒有司法院的同意這個會期結束之前我們把這個階段大概有三個月的時間施行的結果跟委員報告我們再來進行需要的改進我想我也是很無奈 人民也只能這樣子謝謝委員支持謝謝林淑芬委員精彩的質詢 謝謝謝謝左院長 衛福部長的備詢 謝謝 |
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麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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院長好院長上個禮拜其實我們在質詢農業部的時候有特別提到就是我們農民溫往事的那個廢棄物的去化的部分那今天因為有衛福部他主要的他的這些業務 |
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可能是跟他是更相關的所以在這裡我們針對這個部分像他極端氣候變蟲害的影響的因應農民對於溫暖室的這樣子的設施需求也越來越大然後農業部的預算補助也越編越高可是也因為這樣因為農民的需求還有我們政府的補助所以讓他的那個量體還有 |
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它整個那個數量其實也越來越多那在這個部分當然也造成我們上一次提過的這個溫網式的這些廢棄物它的處理問題其實已經不斷的產生比如說像南投縣它是以農業為主那南投縣的山坡地面積它佔比高達95% |
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所以對於這樣子像我們有很多的一些農模它包含棚模跟地模這些農模其實它可能還可以製成塑膠粒它可以加工再利用如果它有回收的話可是另外還有那些往事的廢棄物它又就是像那種網子的它又重 |
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又厚然後也不易處理更重要的它如果在土地上面其實它百年都不會分解也不會腐爛所以基本上像這一些農業廢棄物清潔隊是不收的 |
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那上一次我們也有提到因為農業部負責補助可是他在他的去化上面他好像也是無能為力對我們整個縣內來說所以我們也常常看到因為像現在包括很多建築廢棄物也都是往山裡去偷盜偷埋那現在又有這些農業廢棄物對我們這些好山好水或者 |
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包括院長之前你也剛去主持過草屯的那個鳥嘴潭人工湖它的那個落成啟用很重要的是因為我們的水質都是由山上直接整個河川這樣流下來那它的水質夠好那水量也夠大所以我們可以維繫這樣的一個人工湖可是當我們不斷的破壞環境的時候或者我們沒有一個好的這些政策的處理方式的時候其實它的污染 |
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或者它未來造成河川的這些可能不管是汙染也好土石裂也好或者甚至對於土地的汙染其實也都會非常嚴重因為它就是沒有辦法分解所以我們之前其實南投縣曾經在幾次重大的天災也發生過這樣的事情你只要像有一些樹木倒塌或者像這些廢棄物有人蓄意去傾倒或者丟棄的這些廢棄物 |
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就造成很多的天然災害更加的嚴峻危險所以就這個部分我們是不是有什麼樣的方式那個為環境部可以來做一個有效的處理方式因為我們現在看到農民他最大的困難點就是當你要收的時候還不是清潔隊你要收的時候他必須要乾淨然後有時候還要破碎 |
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然後第二個他是進入像我剛剛提到的南投縣有95%都是山坡地如果要開車去收是因為要有事業廢棄物的那個公司來收可是要進這些偏遠地區或山區他的車輛要有證的不然你隨便去載還會被罰 |
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這是第二個那第三個他像一般的車輛會法以外他對這些農民來說他的運費跟處理費就會非常的高因為他比較遠然後你的量體如果一些然後他還要請廢棄物的那個還要付處理費還有運費那很多農民他就乾脆就隨便就隨便丟隨便處置或隨便買了這個對我們整個環境造成的影響是非常大的 |
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所以像這些會產生這樣子農業廢棄物它很重要的原因第一個當然就是年限到了第二個就是發生颱風或天災的時候它被摧毀了它既然這樣 那農民可見它有三大損失第一個損失就是如果有這麼大的颱風可以把農業設施摧毀它就是它的農產品大概也損失慘重 |
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第二個這些設施損壞他可能包括這些設施的投資也是損失慘重第三個如果要處理這些費我們損失的農產品還有像這樣子的設施的話他還要負擔這些運費跟處理費對農民來說其實是很困難所以就這個方向 |
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已經發生很久了而且這個歷年好像也都有在討論我們環境部有沒有什麼樣具體的做法 |
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好 報告委員 這個農廢的部分這現在是還是農業部在主政那我也坦承說其實因為我們的分類裡面這種在每一個這個業務主管機關來說的話他可能當成廢棄物在處理他沒有辦法到我們的這個環境部的廢棄物的處理的程序那未來呢我們這個希望下個會期能夠送我們的資源循環推動法 |
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未來會有我們環境部來統一來主政結果就會更好一點點那對我來說這個不是廢棄物是資源啦所以未來我們會把它當成資源來看待會更好那現在我會來跟農業部來協商南投的問題因為每個地方有每個地方的問題像我知道農業部在中部台中有一個可以去化的地方但是我必須說我的了解量能還是不大夠所以委員說的的確是一個問題那我們希望有短中長期來解決這個問題 |
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所以下個會期我們環境部就會介入一起跟農業部一起去處理嘛我們希望說那個法可以訂好把它分工更明確之後在沒有法之前因為它已經存在了院長也在這裡我們相關的環境部也在這裡今天還沒有法的時候它還是可以處理啊它只是用什麼樣方式去處理而已在這裡也特別要提出呼籲也請院長可以去考量 |
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就是在我們因為過去我們可以看到我們的資源回收做得非常好那時候你不管是紙啊還有什麼寶特瓶啊玻璃瓶啊或者所有相關只要可以回收的大家的分類都做得很好而且也很多人在幫忙回收包括很多弱勢的一些民眾其實他也可以以此為生那時候很重要的一個政策是因為我們那時候的環保署他是有補助的 |
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所以就讓很多人願意去好好的把它分類然後好好的去甚至做資源回收所以我在想如果像這個部分我們是不是可以來專案補助剛剛我提到農民其實他會有很多的困難包括未來即使你們已經找到處理的方式可是對農民的負擔來說他會發生這樣子的廢棄物的產生的時候其實他已經有非常大的損失了 |
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如果他還要負擔這些其實是非常沉重的負擔這個部分是不是我們也可以考慮院長是不是可以考慮我們用專案補助的方式一方面可以解決農民的困難第二還可以讓我們的環境永續去好好的經營因為他至少你就不會讓他有這樣子的一個可能性會降到比較低因為他可以好好的處理那這個部分可不可以朝這樣來執行 |
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報告委員這個其實我們會跟積極來跟那個南投縣的農業局跟環保局來討論這個事情我們現在講的不是我知道我知道我剛剛提到的是專案補助的部分這個不是跟縣政府跟縣政府補助你們是怎麼去化怎麼找到地點我現在說的是當農民承受這麼大的損失的時候他還是必須要支出這些部分是不是可以專案補助就像我們過去在做資源回收的時候因為你只要花一點點的這些 |
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呃我們政府的預算可是他可以擁保我們整體環境台灣就這麼小當你上面有污染的時候我們的河川我們所有的土地包括我們下游需要的這些水質其實都會受到影響那這個部分對整體的政策來說如果是正向的院長可不可以考慮院請院長回答好不好 |
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我們會請農業部跟環境部跟委員剛剛的建議我們納進來討論來考慮一下來討論因為我們提到的就是說因為環境部如果你因為你在前端你做這樣的補助當然對農民是好的可是你在後端當他有這麼大的損失的時候你又沒有辦法有收成的時候這個部分我們也請環境部跟那個就是我們環境部跟那個農業部其實你們處理的是 |
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是已經發生的啦這個部分可能還是要院長來做一個裁決如果像這樣我們去疼惜我們的農民讓他受到當然不是每一次都要啊你一定是有比較大的這樣子的損害的時候你才需要去啟動這樣子的一個補助的方案所以這個部分請院長可以慎重考量好不好 |
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謝謝委員可不可以因為你在處理的時候你必須要有一些費用跟我們在講資源回收這樣的概念因為他也不會耗費很多的資源這個部分可不可以去考量 |
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院長 請院長回答我們可以來研議我覺得這個是一個珍惜剛剛部長講的對他來講這個是資源我們在台中豐原已經有一些小鎮也是農業的已經有零廢棄的小鎮我們要鼓勵他出來了我們是鼓勵農民零廢棄來做這個事而不是說他製造廢棄物之後他們現在是怎麼做可以零廢棄 |
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有 他們基本上一個大的社區在台中豐原的公老坪那個其實是非常成功的那我們也希望能夠補助他可以處理多少量體沒有 他自己會去把這個資源把它做好詳細的分類什麼樣的資源 我說的我們剛剛討論到現在說的是這些文網式的這些農業設施的農費喔您提的是這個嗎 |
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我現在講的是這個部分我們針對這個部分討論好不好因為你如果沒有解決這個部分你講別的因為你把它扯遠了我們現在講的是這個部分這些網子我們以前看到海洋生物很多 |
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環境部長也在這裡我們有很多海洋的生物看到他們在受到解救的時候就是被很多的網子塑膠去把它捆住今天我們的河川生態也會造成這樣的影響因為你都是網子這是政府也有補助的 |
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那你在後端沒有辦法做這樣的承諾嗎你們可以去評估看看他必須要多少的預算當你每年編到兩兆多將近三兆的預算的時候你沒有辦法去考量一點點這樣的預算嗎過去我們在資源回收我剛剛講過去甚至很多人還會認為說欸慈濟的資源回收做得非常好可是慈濟就是因為做得非常好他甚至他們可以做的資源回收的一些生活來源 |
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都會受到影響那就是因為政府有這樣的政策有這麼多的民眾幫我們做好比你自己要去做會更好這個部分院長可不可以慎重的去評估考量可不可以推動這樣的政策至少在你前端你都還沒有做出這樣相關的處置作為或者像這樣子的一個去化的一個方式的時候可不可以做這樣的考量讓農民也一起來協助這個部分 |
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剛剛委員報告我會請環境部農業部來做檢討分析讓我來做判斷之後這個事情該由中央來做或是跟地方怎麼樣來做合作我們會有一套方法出來希望這就是對農民的照顧落實到他不要讓他產生這種廢棄物而且廢棄物可以再善加利用 |
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他如果沒有回收就不可能參加利用這一次因為我很遺憾因為我覺得說這個是非常小的事情今天院長我很希望你面對這個尤其是今天站在農業部跟環境部兩位 |
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的中間院長如果這個部分對我們的環境永續對農民是有幫助的我們很希望其實是由你來做承諾當然面對困難的時候我們去解決可是如果有什麼樣的問題如果我們可以承擔它是一個政策它不是只有南投會發生它所有的農業設施上面只要有溫暖室都會有這樣的那個問題產生 |
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請委員容許我們讓他做專業的分析檢討之後我們才能做正確的判斷那我們會往這個方向走所以如果是這樣院長會願意朝這樣如果說他的評估是可行的院長可以去去同意這樣子的一個政策推動嗎當然我們在照顧榮民的各種方面而且到底中央來做或是跟地方怎麼合作還是地方如果地方可以做那我們今天也不用 |
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跟院長在這裡探討了非常感謝院長在這時候想到地方可是我們更希望地方可以協助的不是只有預算的部分如果我們斤斤計較台灣很難好而且我們的環境也很難好今天我們南投提供了很多的天然資源尤其是水資源我們 |
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說要給彰化使用的時候大家都沒有話說我們受到很多的限制可是我們更希望中央在很多政策上面可以獨當一面而且挑起對農民照顧的這樣的責任在這裡代表我們很多很多全國的農民拜託院長因為這個新聞從 |
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南到北到處都有發生這個農業農費的這個問題其實我相信農業部非常清楚他存在很久了如果沒有一個具體的有我們農民有我們中央有我們地方政府大家一起來共同解決他很難把它做好我過去的經驗就是資源回收曾經非常好的時候就是因為有這樣的補貼的政策希望院長可以慎重的考慮為了我們所有的行政的推動可以讓他 |
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好 謝謝馬文君委員質詢 謝謝卓院長各部會首長的備詢 謝謝接下來我們請邱若驊委員請質詢好 謝謝主席 主席有請行政院卓院長及衛福部邱部長麻煩再請卓院長衛福部長備詢 |
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院長好 院長辛苦了 部長好院長我們先來看到這張圖院長這張圖是我們桃園復興區的雪屋鬧道路因為山崩導致道路中斷的現場照復興區它屬於偏遠地區雨勢一大或是颱風一來的時候道路中斷是常態目前涉及在當地的大約有需要定期洗腎的病患大約有60人而且還有許多依賴 |
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依賴長期慢性病處方的居民那如果在需要取得藥物的時候道路又中斷的時候民眾可以怎麼辦請問院長 部長 |
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道路中斷的時候在我國偏遠地區可能要用空中運送的方式沒錯 就是無人機本席今天要和院長討論無人機的議題那我們再接著看這是近期台北醫學大學新國民醫院與桃園市政府衛生局合作在復興區設立的洗腎中心對地方的醫療資源 |
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進步的提升確實是一大步那現在居住在山區的病患呢終於能夠就近來接受血液透析治療本席考院長一個問題您知道洗身一次大概需要用上多少生理食鹽水嗎不好意思洗身一次需要用上多少生理食鹽水大概要兩千CC |
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洗身一次至少就要用上1500CC部長您說2000CC今天如果到入中段的話連那麼基本的醫療物資都沒有辦法運送基層再怎麼努力也是徒勞所以院長我們看到本期要向您反映的是缺藥的風險它不只存在我們桃園復興區 |
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那它也可能會發生在我國的偏鄉嘛那尤其在交通中斷還有天災的時候那這種情況下剛剛院長有提到就是無人機來做運送嘛那這也是攸關病患生命安全的大事院長您認為無人機它是否在我國它可以來運用來幫助偏鄉呢在緊急還有特殊的情況下我們也希望發展無人機能夠 |
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真正最大的用途平常就是在這個救災救難的時候它可以發揮人力所不能到達的地方去那本席在這邊就是請問就是我們部長您的態度呢我想在道路壯斷我們台灣從921以後其實也發生過幾次 |
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不管是土石流 各個地方 南投 桃園其實那個時候藥物真的都是相當的缺乏有必要的時候 我想吳仁基是應該可以解決問題有必要的時候 因為本席也有和議員所表示 |
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在進行無人機送藥的試驗那醫院所他們有說他們已經向衛福部反映相關的問題可是目前都卡在制度面還有法規那衛福部籌備偏鄉常態系的無人機送藥模式它需要鬆綁現行藥師法的規定藥物必須由藥師來親自交給民眾當然我們也是尊重藥師他的專業還有他的職責那請問院長部長我們什麼時候可以來檢討這個法規呢並且來做修法的作業 |
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最近我們舉辦了黑客鬆就是等於是AI資訊的比賽那這個無人機送藥這個計畫是得到第一名所以我們非常重視這樣的一個我猜他的準確度要到哪裡真的是送到哪裡本身要和您討論的是目前就是卡在衛福部我們何時可以來做鬆綁要試跑的問題要親自調劑 |
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那這個部分有兩個部分可以來討論第一個就是說在緊急的狀況的時候其實是可以有彈性第二個其實配合視訊 |
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這個法例我們來處理指導那邊的人怎麼用藥這樣也相對的是有調劑那這個部分我想我們必須跟藥界方面來那不只是調劑那還有醫療資源的部分那今天就是因為還卡在食藥署以及衛福部所以我們必須要來重新檢討法規 |
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我們一邊發展因為現在已經有一個計畫在做了我們示範計畫的當中就要去克服這些法令的限制需要衛福部來做跨部會的整合北西鄉請教部長衛福部什麼時候可以來做協調那這個法規何時可以來做鬆綁 |
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我們在這個示範計畫裡面其中有一個關鍵當然就是要去溝通這個藥師法裡面的因為無人機送藥它今天不只光靠技術就可以完成那不只藥要送的出去還要送的安全因為藥品它可能需要冷藏它也不能它也要避免日曬我們也要追蹤它的 |
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他的濕度那這些技術的標準還有醫藥品他的品項的配套品質都我們也必須要納入考量那這部分因為涉及到醫藥專業必須要有衛福部的專業介入啊有沒問題我們就成立一個殺我們現在的計劃就是無人機送藥沙盒計劃那就是一種常識的計劃 |
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面臨到兩個關鍵問題第一個 航線的問題你也不能去影響到本來的一些航線航線的部分沒問題本席可以和我們交通部應援所來做溝通可是目前就是因為衛福部還沒有鬆綁所以沒有辦法來進行實際後續的我們趕快來溝通好了趕快來溝通那部長您可不可以在三個月內提出完整的事辦報告呢 |
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好沒問題那法規的修訂還有進度草案的方向跨部會的去做一些溝通還有軍方還有交通部跨部會要做一些溝通如果需要我們會院裡面來協助是喔謝謝院長那部長這邊本席也要求喔那藥品的冷鏈還有運送的品質規範那實際的試辦成果還有成效評估三個月內有沒有辦法提供 |
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32975.694 |
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應該可以 初步的報告因為他有一定計畫的期程但是三個月我想應該就要呈現報告那希望 組長請在三個月內提供給本市報告那院長我們接下來看 |
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就是桃園市政府正式宣布的重大建設在巴德消理公園將設立桃園市立醫院總院採BOT的方式興建投資金額高達90億未來設置499床的急性一般病床還有150床專科與特殊的病床提供24小時的兒科急診還有長照婦幼醫療服務預計2033年底營運他會以區域醫院還有準醫學中心的高標格來做興建 |
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這是一個非常重要的醫療建設計畫對我們台灣市民是一大福音那本席目前眼前我們擔心的是未來我們是否有足夠的有足夠的和穩定的醫護能力呢醫院醫護能力 現在尤其是護理師的人力的短缺大家都感到非常的急迫那醫師跟護理師我們現在都希望能夠用考用合一的方式讓他能夠在未來 |
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畢業的學生經過合理的考試能夠儘速進入到職場那上個月十五 上個月十五陳大已經 原本他已經關閉四十多床的的病床 那預計五月 因為醫師離職少他五月又關了三十床 院長你有沒有掌握到呢現在應該畢業生快要出來這個一段時間 |
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33067.143 |
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畢業生出來之後是不是可以稍稍的紓解這樣的壓力因為院長您提到畢業生嘛那您知道在我國有多少有護理證照的人我們現在在值 |
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33068.174 |
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33097.126 |
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您床上面大概有19萬人有19萬人沒錯,可是有證照的有30多人那實際的落差是10萬人那部長您也提到就是畢業生新鮮人嘛那心理證照的護理師他實際就業率就只有六成有就是說四成的護理師他們不願意進到醫院不願意進到醫院的職場來工作您認為是為什麼這個我想我們不管是在工作的環境跟待遇還有護理人員真的面臨很大的第一線的照顧的壓力 |
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33118.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].text |
這個我想我們長期在醫療上完全的提認也感謝委員的關心新鮮人的離職高峰潮是在什麼時候也通過了十二項的一個策略而且具體在落實跟委員報告一下今年其實是有成效的我們今年的事業比去年的事業其實還是增加了三千多位護理師 |
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33130.039 |
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當然朝著我們想要多一點的護理師還要繼續努力您提到增加的3000多位,那有多少位護理師離職呢我們的離職率大概有11到12 |
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33137.182 |
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33151.937 |
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但是我們到七月的時候畢業的畢業生還是會就職所以整體而言是 部長 部長院長光從今年一月到三月離職的人數就高達九百多位喔那其實我們一直面臨到畢業以後就會補回來 |
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本席剛剛也提到只有六成的就業率那離職的高峰潮也在他們進到醫院後的一個月到三個月之後他們又離開了醫院所以請部長院長要正視這個問題所以我們希望考用合一讓他畢業之後能夠多一點的比例進到職場裡面來那護理師每七年就是一個離職的高峰我們要從他的婚姻家庭來協助他讓他能夠留在職場上 |
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33192.766 |
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我們現在有多元化的方式來留任一定會有成效是 那本席再請教部長一個問題那目前小夜班的獎勵制度是400元大夜班是600元好 謝謝邱鶴華委員的質詢謝謝卓院長 衛福部長的背景 謝謝 |
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33208.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].end |
33215.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].text |
報告院會社會福利及衛生環境組織諮詢已詢答完畢本會期自2月25日起對行政院院長施政方針及施政報告進行諮詢已於今天詢答完畢謝謝 |
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33237.194 |
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33243.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].text |
在諮詢結束之前 我們再請卓院長向本院委員及全國民眾發表講話卓院長 鄉務院長 各位委員先進 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].start |
33259.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].end |
33288.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].text |
立法院第十一屆第三會期總諮詢今日能夠終於順利的圓滿結束本人特別要向韓院長、江副院長及所有委員先進表達由衷的感謝謝謝各位委員所提出多項的指教跟建議也讓行政院未來可以有所遵循事實上最誠摯的感謝當前面對全球的經濟局勢區域的地緣政治劇烈的變化台灣最大的力量來自於團結 |
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33310.208 |
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政黨縱然可以有理念的不同但我深信各項扶國立民與壯大台灣的政策朝野必須並肩合作共同努力這也是多數人民的期待非常感謝大院近期三讀通過行政院所提的產業創新條例部分條文的修正草案 |
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33311.569 |
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33329.005 |
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將為人工智慧節能減碳創新創業的發展提供更好的環境總諮詢結束之後大院即將進入法案審查的階段有關本院所提出的因應國際情勢強化社會經濟及國土安全任性的特別條例前瞻 |
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33340.679 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].text |
計劃第五級特別預算以及114年預算的解凍案還有電業法案收支修正案這些重大法案還要懇請 |
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33342.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].end |
33363.353 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].text |
大願朝野各黨團大力的協助其中特別條例將從產業支持安定就業照顧民生強化韌性四大面向來提升國家整體的應變力並緩和外債的衝擊這些重大法案跟預算在當前世界經貿的局勢底下更顯得格外的迫切跟關鍵 |
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| transcript.whisperx[917].end |
33377.536 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].text |
必須盡快的推動落實最後再次表示感謝謝謝大院所有委員還有所有工作同仁跟媒體先進在這段時間的辛勞期盼大家能夠平安健康身體健康萬事如意謝謝 |
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33392.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].end |
33420.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].text |
謝謝卓院長發表的講話報告委員會我們繼續處理復議案事件以先後順序處理請議事人員宣讀第一案本院台灣民眾黨黨團針對第九次會議報告事項第十一十五及一百三十三案提出復議宣讀完畢我們現在做以下決定令定期處理請宣讀第二案本院國民黨黨團針對第九次會議報告事項第二案志願會決定提出復議宣讀完畢我們現在做以下決定令定期處理請宣讀第三案 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].start |
33421.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].end |
33444.017 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].text |
本院國民黨黨團針對第九次會議包括事項第301至306案院會所作決定提出覆議宣讀完畢我們現在做以下決定令定期處理請宣讀第三本院民進黨黨團針對第九次會議包括事項第12案院會所作決定提出覆議宣讀完畢我們現在做以下決定令定期處理 |
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33457.772 |
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謝謝我們柯建民總召還有吳思瑤幹事長郭育晴委員林岳晴委員王振旭委員一起參與我們臨時提案非常感謝報告委員會本次會議進行到此為止現在散會 |