| IVOD_ID |
166436 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166436 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-15T12:18:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-15T12:30:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d486c5db5da759064945eaf39fa32e9a908415f8fac51cd36697ca1ee740c94b7dadbe29f35ae1a95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱鎮軍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:18:12 - 12:30:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請環境部部長、衛生福利部、經濟部、農業部、交通部、國防部及內政部國土管理署就「全臺垃圾山危機與事業廢棄物去化」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席好 我們一樣請彭部長邱委員好部長好我看你們今天的書面報告到今年10月底全國的戰資產從112年的84萬噸下降為65.8萬噸那也就是說已經處理了23.2萬噸那大概27%啦那我想問一下就是說 |
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你明年年底的這個承諾有沒有辦法完成目前我們還是照原來的承諾往上走雖然原來應該更積極是41萬噸但是因為台南還有包含的廚餘多了大概快20萬噸所以我們這是垃圾山耶這是垃圾也蠻長 露天裸露你們是怎麼樣 就是打包 |
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第一個是打包第二個是這個把它覆土掩埋覆土等於是活化再活化再利用的意思嗎基本上如果未來這個焚化爐那個量能夠的話還是希望他可以把它去化掉啦但是這個你要打包你要放到什麼時候這個 |
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如果打包的話如果焚化爐啟動的話因為未來大概兩三年後這個焚化爐應該有一些餘裕那就可以來做焚化的處理所以現在是控管住了是不是啊這個狀況現在還有33個露天的對啊 那你明年能完成啊應該是沒有問題 |
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好 那如果我們是希望就是說你們說到要做到那當然我也希望說這個你打包之後也不能說把它丟在那邊就不管了那政府應該有一個具體的一個做法那你期待是怎麼樣 |
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例如說以台南來說的話他的這個台南當時也是含在裡面嗎那個是是是因為他們的這個晨曦的掩埋廠量還蠻大的然後他的焚化爐未來幾個月應該有機會會新的可以啟動那如果舊的還繼續留著的話應該有辦法注意於去化他的這個這個這個不會越處理越多啦不會不會不會不會 |
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那我再問一下就是在高雄那個亂到垃圾的案發生很多青鳥在吹上面說至少高雄是有出滅處理其他縣市暫制垃圾一直都沒有處理把亂到垃圾跟垃圾場裡的暫制垃圾混淆在一起那不小心就把這個情況怪到這個我們環境部頭上去 |
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那我替你很抱歉但是我看到今天的報告說還有剩下60.8萬噸那都集中在新竹台南及南投三個縣市現在是哪邊最多 |
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應該是台南還有新竹台南台南是因為這個11月底又暴增17萬噸是是風災之後的垃圾嗎是風災的垃圾有沒有包含這個烏蘇林戰事場的這個垃圾場沒有沒有包括所以他不烏蘇林就不含在這裡面了對對對對那個我們是算是這個裸露天裸露的啊那個戰事場沒有算在裡面因為那個本來就未來這幾個月就會去化完成 |
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那我看到你們有去那個什麼日本考察這個經驗制定大型災害廢棄物佔治場的防災安全指引那消防安全管理原則分區堆放及進出場管理原則提供地方依循請問你提供給地方了沒有 |
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還沒有 因為我們還在研議因為日本是很理想但是在台灣我們的災後的量因為日本其實從發生災害你災害發生的時候你家裡面的器具各方面都要做好分類我們是沒有在分類的所以等於是整個就變成大垃圾出去 |
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那你展示的時候不會順便做一次分類嗎很困難 現實例如說以花蓮花蓮那個光復香其實那個整個就一起出來了全部混在一起你沒有辦法分類的那到後面要怎麼處理 |
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所以基本上這樣就是變成一個很大的困難所以我們現在一直在觀察說很大困難還是要有個辦法基本上那個當然先進國家有一些好的做法我們會來做參考因為我們通常遇到災害的時候基本上所有垃圾所有東西就混在一起了那當然就造成台南這個事件還是要引以為禁因為這個萬一發生火災這個真是後果不堪設想我希望環境部盡快來妥善處理 |
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另外全國失業廢棄物處理及營建產出物的管理我們今年我們台灣一直再度爆發垃圾大戰主要就是當時我們蔡英文總統改變失業廢棄物的處理政策導致每年有高達數百萬噸的失業廢棄物進到一般的焚化爐 |
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排擠到一般家庭垃圾的妥善處理率那我看經濟部的報告10個園區17處環保用地請問目前該開辦失業廢棄物專門處理這個設施進度到哪裡這是不是請展發書 |
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目前目前的這個17處的環保用地現在只剩下有兩處現在正在待釋出但是這兩個部分的話剛好環境部這現時有在推動這個氣候科技的這個環保計畫我們這兩處的話大概是預備做這兩個計畫的這個使用那其他的其他部分目前都已經有在做這個環保用地的這個使用已經開始使用了那什麼時候可以完全落實 |
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完全落實我們現在就是我剛剛講這17個裡面有15個現在都已經落實他們就地處理原則都一樣嗎每個都一樣對都是就地來處理那另外我們進一步成立的北中南觀音張濱還有大發展這個大發產業園區三個有害失業廢棄物處理的示範場目前的運作狀況怎麼樣 |
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都在正常運作我們是不是請那個組長這邊說明一下跟委員報告 北中南就是我們在那個桃園 張濱跟高雄的三個那個有害世界廢棄水場目前都是順利運作當中那年處理量是多少年處理量會依照當那個有害世界廢棄物的量每年會有變化所以它的量是無限擴大的 |
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沒有 他還是有一個上限啦比如說我們的那個南區的處理量能大概這三區啦 能不能滿足現在的問題現在所有廢棄物處理的這個問題有害事業廢棄物目前是沒有問題的處理都夠就對了已經開始做了嘛好 那接下來我想 |
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這個越來越多的糧田餘溫山谷像得了癌症一步一步死去那危害到台灣的農業與環境那兇手其實就是我們營建工程產生的這個廢棄物與剩餘土石方四處爛到像美濃天坑倒採完砂石就被偷買營建廢棄物與土石混合物這當中最主要的破口其實我想中央有同業的規範各縣市的做法不一樣才會導致輕運業者和非法車隊土資廠業者 |
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串成這個三角的這個犯罪鏈那部長認為這個問題出在哪裡出在很多的面向例如說我們的去化量不夠然後第二個是過去的管理這個其實從台灣幾十年來不是都有裝GPS嗎沒有土石方的部分沒有土石方沒有然後那我們破獲的幾個案例都是有一些那未來會裝嗎 |
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會來全面要裝然後另外一個智慧圍籬然後把它加強監管以後抓到會更容易被抓到你擔不擔心他們裝了這個GPS然後到土質場落場一拳然後就跑掉包委員 我們以後會連結警政單位的CCTV所以這個部分不會有這個問題 |
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對 這個還是要去防止啦那我也看到其實有很多問題就是說有一些房子就是建商他在蓋房 蓋大樓的時候那一些土 其實是乾淨的土啦那很多現在也其實全台灣都沒地方去啊這個怎麼辦 |
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未來我們會鼓勵現地能不能能夠做好一些分類因為他就是沒有分類才變得廢棄因為有時候啦你說完全沒有垃圾百分之百是好像不太可能那可能有一些參雜到你們有沒有一個比例一個原則 |
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有的 有的但是我們是希望因為像這個機關署他們現在舊的大樓拆掉其實在現地就分類的很好然後就可以重新再利用不是說新建的 新建的新建的部分我們當然現在沒有辦法還沒有一個規範出來他只是挖地下室而已啊對啊但是他撈起來可能有一些垃圾或者是有一些那個磚塊啊什麼的是 |
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那個都有一定的分類的一個標準例如說磚塊是磚塊R多少類 D什麼類等於是大概都有那當然我們是希望以後源頭可以分類得更好但現在這個還是沒地方去基本上當然現在的確是有問題尤其是我們鄉下很多農民他會其實有一些他的農地他需要改良或者是這個時候 |
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就可以給他們利用嘛對不對那這個是地方政府的管轄基本上這個是地方政府要管轄他決定就可以了那因為這個管理是地方政府但是很多地方政府他其實並沒有特別去做一些平台所以以後的這個土資平台在各地方政府 |
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579.046 |
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595.452 |
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我們特別有找了這個幾個自己去化量能不夠的地方要先成立一個平台所以我們都談好了那就是明年的預算然後我們這個預計是明年的預算就可以來推動做這個事情我們知道今年的辦法都已經弄好了都寫掉好了就是明年1月1號開動好 |
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598.792 |
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620.868 |
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因為我看到這其實很多問題就是還有一些土地廠他也在賣證明的問題所以這個已經不是應該已經是公開的一個訊息所以我覺得環境部應該把這個整個會碰到的問題做一個整體的一個規範讓各縣市政府好遵循這樣可以嗎 |
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621.368 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
644.512 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
可以 也請委員幫忙因為這個明年我們各縣市都談好了他們要成立一個土資的聯合的一個辦公室都副市長來主持那也請委員多幫我們忙因為這個明年的新增的預算好 可是你們要我們立法院通過要趕快給我們我們才可以幫你們省預算委員要趕快幫我們省你沒有編我怎麼省 |
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645.279 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
658.105 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
我們要的都沒變我們已經給啦我們已經給啦給在哪裡啊已經給到立法院了送到立法院錢沒給該給的錢沒給這不是你責任來的你不要腳破筋來啦是是是還有齁最後這個 |
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660.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
689.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
除於禁止養豬那我看到你剛剛聽我也聽到剛剛有講就是說你兩年後要完全的禁止嘛對嘛一年後一年後一年後那現在還是可以用就對了現在還可以用但是家戶都不能用我苗栗縣有一場他是一個年輕人他自己在做了一個我們叫做這個珍珠中心共同珍珠對那他當初是響應政府的政策那我們環境部這邊如果進的時候他怎麼辦 |
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691.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
713.104 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
第一個這個問題我也跟農業部討論過基本上按照現有的法規是不可以但是其實以農業部來說的話他對於植物性的殘渣這個事業的持續率是沒有進的所以他未來我覺得他可以轉型就跟可能現在的狀況不一樣這個政府能夠介入啦因為他當初也是配合政府的政策然後 |
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715.126 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
734.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
一個年輕人創業其實不容易他投資其實也不小他一億多 全順的畜牧場因為他是全球的全台的第一場當初也是響應政府政策我希望政府不要把他丟在那邊不管我會跟農業部反映說協助他們來做轉型謝謝部長 謝謝謝謝邱正軍委員發言 |