| IVOD_ID |
166434 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166434 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-15T12:16:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-15T12:27:05+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d486c5db5da75906ee280e117835fc383d053df696e011f86697ca1ee740c94b0d8c7324e0a01dc75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡易餘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:16:34 - 12:27:05 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長及環境部首長就「2027年全面禁止廚餘養豬」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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好謝謝召委那我們是有請農業部部長跟環境部次長部長 |
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那還是要延續整個上午大家都在討論現在未來這個禁止廚餘養豬那針對廚餘的部分就事業性的一個廚餘就是類似下繳料的這個部分大概還是會就是在排除的外面 |
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這個排除咧大概大家會認為有一個比較爭議點的就是說那屬於餐廳的部分餐廳的食材是剩食的部分那他是屬於家用性的廚餘還是事業性的廚餘呢各位報告如果在未來的一年的緩衝期裡面那餐廳的廚餘是可以繼續養豬 |
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餐廳的廚餘是可以的那餐廳的廚餘你們認為它的來源是相對單純所以是有辦法找到這是跟農業部一起討論的一個結果那基本上我們也參考日本的做法他們有做成這樣的一個環保飼料的工藝的來源大概會指的就是這幾類那環保飼料的話是它是會用統一烹煮通以雷柱還是要混雙 |
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環保飼料那個部分是又下一個階段農業部他會有規劃我現在講是未來的這一年可以繼續作為飼料養豬的來源可以當作養豬來源的部分就是說餐廳的部分你繼續讓他們可以飼料養豬 |
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跟那一種類似工廠料的工廠下廠料那一部分可以家用的因為來源不明這部分就完全禁止養豬也就是說清德隊收集的部分都不可以養豬清德隊去收的都不可以清德隊那個就是家戶的那個就不是事業性的主語了那農業部呢 農業部的規劃呢 |
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就未來你們要把...工業部後續的規劃就是針對有關於廚餘飼料化的部分對 飼料化我們現在已經成立一個小組希望說有系統將現在目前的可能的共同政府中心或者是可以增加其他的能夠將一些事業的廚餘還是不能用家務廚餘事業的廚餘或是食品下繳料能夠變成有規格的飼料 |
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那這個部分我想他後續的飼料有機會降低成本那這樣的話對於我們維持黑豬的產業是有幫助的這個我們會來協助好那想要請教就是說好你現在廚餘要做飼料化那事實上我們事實上 |
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在推動這個黑水盲的這個循環的這個產業雖然也推動一段時間但是黑水盲事實上它還是有它在去化所謂廚餘的時候的一些障礙其中最大的一點就是土地取得的一個障礙現在它還是需要要用環保用地才能夠去養黑水盲現在用農業用地應該可以現在農業用地要怎麼可以申請嗎 |
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這部分是怎樣 只要變更 只要他凝聚新辦事業 就辦理那個農地的變更編訂就可以了農變嘛 就是用農變的方式來處理有辦法這樣做嗎 就是你現在的農地 你要做這些黑水盲的話我們可以用他提出一個新辦事業 然後我們同意他農地變更用這種方式 那黑水盲之後的使用呢 是可以去當飼料 |
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還是黑水芒的後續的使用方式他應該可以再變成一個飼料化的部分不能直接從體去餵啦他一定要變成變成粉以後變成一個飼料有規格的有規格品的部分就可以餵到豬 |
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就是黑水芒先去化廚餘然後黑水芒長大後再經過你們的專業處理然後黑水芒就是蟲的部分再轉化成飼料就是我們現在講的就是一個讓它飼料化那站在日本那邱志偉委員帶隊去看的他們所謂的這個就是 |
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也是經過高溫的 高溫把它顆粒化那還是把它做成飼料嘛對 飼料一個最重要的特色就是它的產品是有規格化的而且它的品質是穩定的它不像現在的廚藝有沒有它是不穩定的部長 那這些成本呢 |
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成本的部分呢沒有我們現在就是說我們一直希望說第一個就是未來黑豬產業的持續發展我們一方面開發現在的配方那另一方面就是用廚藝轉化成飼料那這個兩個是同步在執行的好那部長可以先回那環境部先再留一下是那第二個我要問一下就是說 |
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事實上這個嘉義市的這個垃圾站自產他4年已經四度大火了從111年8月112年2月到113年的2月跟114年的4月那都說是不管是鋰電池的自燃啊或者是彈簧船的床墊的自燃總是說他名字叫做站自產但是他 |
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它的管制的力道就是比一般的這個廢棄物的一個最終氣質廠管的還鬆嘛所以它這樣大火燒起來然後也沒有人有辦法去理解說到底為什麼產生這樣的大火然後每一次只要進入到冬季然後這個東北季風來 |
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這一些有汙染有毒的這一些氣體類全部都漂到水上跟中埔來造成我們當地的居民的受損這個我也不是第一次質詢的我已經質詢到這一次到這一次應該包括在未完會加起來應該是超過4次的質詢了但是 |
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衛福部都沒有辦法告訴我們像這樣的戰事場它雖然是放在嘉義市的比較偏嘉義市區比較遠的地方但是離嘉義縣人口密集的地方非常近一公里都不到離我們這麼近然後每一次都發生狀況火災了東北季風直接都把這些空氣都影響到我們的縣民 |
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那我們現在我們環保我們我們環境部到底有什麼辦法可以約束這樣用戰字廠這樣的名字來偷渡他們是做這個垃圾的氣質廠來跟委員報告好以嘉義市這個垃圾 |
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掩埋場這個戰事場為例他在戰事的過程當中他必須要加強維護管理比如說消防的設施紅外線的偵測等等那24小時要有人巡檢這是最基本的所以這個部分我們會針對經常發生火災這些掩埋場或戰事場那會做一個全面性的檢討希望他們必須要加強這些管理的措施 |
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那目的只是為了在第一時間如果因為蓄熱然後引起這樣的一個高溫然後自然的時候第一時間就能夠做這樣的一個即時的撲滅那這個部分容我們再跟各縣市環保局會把這個場列為最優先市長我還是要說一下啦你們112年你們說你們說現在因為只有一個叫做資源回收 |
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储存场实地辅导作业你们只有这样的一个叫做作业办法而已那我已经三度的透过质询包括现在这一次又第四次就是说我们要有一个中央统一规范就是针对这种跨县式的 |
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既然它叫做跨縣市它表示它的影響所及並不是只有在他們縣他們自己市區的範圍它已經影響到了周遭縣民的時候是不是這部分的審查必須要做由中央來介入審查不然你們現在嘉義市的這一個環保暫住場他們是自己生產的沒經過你們你知道他們的焚化爐他們也是自己生產的焚化爐要小爐小爐變大爐 |
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要開始燒的東西要量 要增加會影響到我們的管理人員嗎?會嗎?市長 會嘛 會對不對 不然會這件事他們要通過焚化爐的擴大是嘉義市政府自己審查 |
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那你至少要讓我們嘉義縣表示意見嘛沒有餒 他們都自己審查餒然後你知道嗎 你知道他們多誇張他們說他們有辦一個公聽會然後辦公聽會有邀請我們的議員跟我們公所水上公所跟中府公所去參加然後我們去參加我們就是表達抗議他就說因為政府來抗議所以你們就等於有參加公聽會了 |
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這樣每個人都賺過耶市長我跟委員報告像這種鄰近跨縣市的部分我們會特別要求我們的因為這個案子是回收的設施會跟我們的循環署有關那如果是垃圾掩埋場的部分會跟我們的環管署有關不管是環管署或循環署對於這種容易因為戰事造成的這個失火這個部分我們一起來研議啦又噴化爐啦又是站住場失火市長我覺得這個我覺得鄉親的感覺都很直白 |
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我們就去那裡你唯一一條線啦看他們那個贊助場到水上公司比較近到中部公司比較近還是去他們家裡政府比較近啦我跟你保證一定是我們比較近啦我們這裡的人口密集這麼高他們放在他們的高窟地圖直接你看他們放在他們的郊區然後告訴我們他們家醫師放在這裡他們沒有影響我們這裡的縣民就都不是人這個 |
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中央要介入這種已經是跨縣市的中央要介入說那至少兩邊要怎麼樣做好遁清木林要怎樣讓縣的人也可以接受說我旁邊有焚化爐我旁邊有這樣叫做環保氣質場然後發生火災的時候我們都被氣質不理跟委員報告這個案子讓我們會和我們專案來處理再跟委員做一個回報謝謝市長 謝謝 |