| IVOD_ID |
166433 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166433 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-15T12:16:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-15T12:23:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d486c5db5da7590641e1bf9249a9287ae3a1989ac581c2286697ca1ee740c94b43e27919c524e7415ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:16:18 - 12:23:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第21 次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「針對國軍各類型火藥原物料購案，廠商資格標準訂定及審認作法」，併請經濟部、行政院公共工程委員會、法務部廉政署列席，並備質詢。） |
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好謝謝主席我想要請部長請顧部長還有陸情指揮部參謀長還有陸軍司令部參謀長陸情部還有陸軍參謀長 |
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我今天要就教於你是因為在彰化縣有就是炮兵指揮部那你知道在12月4號的時候發生了意外在就是演練的時候觸及到了民宅那好險是未爆彈因為轉速不夠所以彈藥沒有爆炸 |
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如果今天彈藥爆炸的時候我相信會影響的就是整個整體我們相關的居民 |
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所以我現在就要就教於陸軍後勤指揮部到底這個彈藥是不是過期那未來我們是不是在這個受訓的時候都要用新的彈藥才不會造成像今天這樣子訓練時候所造成的相關的危險 |
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包委員我是陸軍參謀長就這個案子就我的掌握向您報告有關於這個當天的這個炮彈射擊事實上這一發禁彈他並不是裝備問題也不是彈藥問題 |
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它是我们去探究比较有可能的成因是发射药那事实上在其他的先前的射击它的这个射击距离都是正常的那我们为了全面的去做更严谨的检视我们把这一梯的发射药我们先把它暂停来使用然后全面去做一个检验要确定它的质量还有它的这个整个发射的能量都是达到正常我们才会再去使用 |
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不是我现在今天的问题是如果现在你们训练的时候用的你知道还是很久以前的这个弹药的时候那对于不管是发射药还是里面的弹药也好 |
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那對於這個周邊的居民所產生的這樣子的影響那既然你們都要採購東西了那是不是應該用在就是說我們在這個訓練的時候對於他訓練所採用的這相關的彈藥是不是能夠用新購的 |
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報告委員是的我們在先前也類似的訓練這樣的案例當中我們也是從最老舊的包含到彈藥跟藥包我們先去檢討我們的存量是否足夠那我們從老舊的優先去汰除 |
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然後再去檢討哪些年份的可以去做整修這影響到居民的安全我們一切都會以官兵跟居民的安全為重我們總不能夠在訓練的時候就已經先打到自己那如果是這樣子的情況下是不是能夠請你們優先來使用新的彈藥在這個訓練的時候 |
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我們是有朝這方面在檢討你們是不是應該就整體居民的安全你們應該要優先來用新採購的彈藥是不是我們會選擇安全性足夠的彈藥來不敢跟委員保證說一定是用最新的彈藥但是在安全性因為包含到我們陣地操作的官兵的安全居民的安全都是我們要優先重視的 |
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247.529 |
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是啊對可是你們現在就發生在你們就是訓練的時候就發生這樣子的危險啊是不是 是的 今天波及了三個民宅還好是未爆的那如果今天是爆炸了是不是那就這個問題我第二點就交於你 |
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248.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
268.212 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
那就對於這個炮兵指揮部的這個周邊的地區也有相關的居民的木林的這樣子的經費是不是那是不是給予檢討並且予以提高因為就你們現在演練的結果產生了這樣子的差別 |
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268.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
291.201 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
那是不是對於安撫周邊居民以及減少相關的這個道路的問題那是不是提高所有的就是說周邊的這個木林經費的相關的我只有兩點向您報告第一點有關於這三戶受到波及的民宅我們在11月11號 |
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293.061 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
297.445 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
10號跟11號也已經跟百姓完成一個賠償我知道了但是牧領經費的部分我向您報告因為目前我們在這個訓場周邊這個包含到北斗、田中、西州的三個訓場目前都是我們牧領經費的最高的級數是1000萬元 |
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313.416 |
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338.211 |
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那它因為超過涉及天數還有飛躍到百姓的這個涉及線我們所謂的泡沫線是有穿越民宅這個都有加成那這個以西州來說它都已經加成到1380萬元那是有如您委員所指導的它是在最高上限之外還有額外結合地區涉及任務的特性有加成的設計 |
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339.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
354.791 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
好那個參謀長我必須要跟你說就是現在的這個我們的台灣就是地下人籌的一個地方那你們就是所有的訓練場都離民宅非常近 |
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355.933 |
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370.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
你去看那個你有去看過吧你有去看過那都離民宅非常近所以當你即便是我們很快跟民宅做成了達成了和解但是未來要 |
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| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
388.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
協助就是這些居民可以能夠安全的能夠信任國防部嘛是不是信任你們陸軍嘛可以在那裡繼續的做演練嘛那如果這樣情況下要求你提高這個就是相關的募集應該沒有什麼 |
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389.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
412.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
這個有關木林的經費我們會就全全國的三軍的相關的這個火炮射擊的訓拔場我們會來做一個全面性的通盤依照民意的和實際的現況來做一個全面性的檢討我是說你要特別的注意相關的好不好相關的這個民眾的感受以及居民的安全 |
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412.628 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
437.669 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
可不可以我想居民的安全是最重要的我們會在因為這個事件我有請陸軍司令部來做檢討有關整個相關訓練的這個一些事項包括公告啦還有包括攝像啦還有包括剛剛您提到的這些種種我們都會請陸軍司令部來做一個檢討務必讓居民安心 好嗎是好 謝謝 |