| IVOD_ID |
166429 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166429 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-15T12:01:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-15T12:10:28+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:30 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d486c5db5da759067eb2d219a69a8bbc3d053df696e011f86697ca1ee740c94b474a70c700ab9a965ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:01:58 - 12:10:28 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長及環境部首長就「2027年全面禁止廚餘養豬」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席 再討議員 先進 夜協 政府局長 首長 官員 會長 公眾夥伴 媒體記者 女士 先生有請陳部長跟沈次長部長 次長好 來 保定委員好我們說 台語說 處於這個東西處於 台語怎麼說 |
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毒魚啊沒有啦 人家說噴啦噴啦沒有啦噴好 噴好就知道了噴是怎麼來的噴要經過毒磅嘛對不對經過毒磅烹出去人家吃出來的燒回來叫做噴但是我們現在說的這叫做熟食 熟廚魚啦但是毒磅沒有烹出去的也有一些切下來的那不可以吃的那叫做生廚魚 對不對所以我們說禁止廚魚是指廚房的 |
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出去回收的那些噴以及不能夠供人使用的這些料是不是這樣子基本上我們說家戶廚餘就包括這些嗎家戶廚餘都保理的都是保理的生的熟的廚的廚的廚的清潔隊拉的大概都是這種生的熟的如果他沒有分的話湯湯水水的都有但是我看到你們這個目前禁止廚餘養豬你們現在有分喔家戶的那種來源複雜的 |
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慶堆堆收走了 不可以 或者已清業者收走 不可以這些環境部會來做堆肥 黑水盲 生殖能 焚化 掩埋目前這一年 未來一年還可以養的 養豬的就是有餐廳的 這個比較單純團散的 好像還可以那請問過期食品跟加工廠的下繳料 那叫做廚餘嗎 |
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跟委員報告這個也都是可以列為繼續廚餘養豬的不是他不叫做廚餘他叫做料園對不對所以我們說我們禁廚餘但是在未來一年當中有些廚餘特定的廚餘跟料園可以用來餵豬 |
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部長是不是這樣子我看你們都在寫嘛允許使用慧珠的廚餘和料源是不是這樣是這樣子那請問像這些料源當中請問省次長有沒有廢棄物的再利用的一個可能性 |
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跟委員報告這個基本上是參考日本EcoFit的來源也是這樣分類的好那他有分類有編號那我們目前只要有編號的這些屬於廢棄物的範疇的就可以申請再利用但是前提要可以編號可以認可好我們往下看所以現在我先問沈次長這個黑水盲跟你們溝通過很多次了那目前黑水盲短暫時間很多企業想要投資請問目前到目前統計的有在投入這28場都是大型的處理廠嗎 |
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我所謂大型的是我也不曉得你們的規模是怎麼算包括有像民間的公司像雨田之類的也有像清潔隊自己在飼養的黑水門你看現在28場他可以處理237噸一天所以一天處理平均不到10噸那這個算是大規模還是小規模的 |
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跟委員報告規模不重要能處理最重要目前的量能大概是只有五六十噸到目前為止對就是未來規劃可能會增加這麼多未來規劃我們要看一下其實我是認為給您一個建議其實剛剛我聽到我們部長有問到我們的謝昭偉 |
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我也去摸過那個黑水盲的幼蟲他其實他不臭啦應該是問過次長其實在社區裡面是還OK的但是如果說你運送我先請教次長黑水盲的蟲體比較好運送還是為黑水盲的廚餘比較好運送蟲體所以廚餘要救援救地把它處理掉變成蟲體之後他要再利用是不是就比較方便 |
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是 好 謝謝那我們就往下看來 接下來我來請一下部長陳部長我們在非洲尊爆發之前黑豬有大概62萬5千頭結果經過了108年那一次107年之後就掉了15萬頭現在是47萬頭那你覺得在經過這一次的事件後會剩下多少萬頭有沒有抓一個數量不用存25萬頭大概有沒有一個規模因為黑豬你們現在也在輔導他轉型 |
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还是讲黑猪嘛如果到明年的年底的话应该一场都没有不是啦 我是说黑猪的产量啦 |
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黑豬的部分我們盡量的維持這個黑豬的一個產業以前的規模62萬嘛現在掉到47萬嘛未來你估計我們福島轉型可以轉型轉型的部分我們估計可能有一部分的黑豬他會轉成用白豬我是問數量你們估計的目標值大概一半啦至少大概維持到一半可能47萬剩下23萬26 24萬好那請問這些要退場的怎麼退 |
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他第一個就是轉成白豬飼養我說退場黑豬要怎麼退場黑豬本來47萬頭這個產業鏈有母豬有小豬有肥成有育成然後有肥大豬然後在市場那這個產業鏈我所知道分布是這樣屏東是母豬母豬生小豬而且母豬跟小豬都是吃飼料還不是吃豬油 |
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然後呢培亞頂尿在跟育成的培亞頂尿送到那個而且中北部有大量廚餘中北部養肥了才送市場對不對所以未來的黑豬的這樣的轉型後的產業就不是這樣了嘛因為已經沒有廚餘這個問題了所以屏東也可以成為一個從頭到尾的一個黑豬的產業鏈好那你估計 |
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你估計這樣子目前因為母豬大部分都在屏東47萬頭的整年的規模屏東要多少萬頭的母豬未來要撿到多少目前你們的轉型計畫退場有沒有包括母豬我們現在目前的轉型的退場是針對後端的這些豬場 |
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對 但是你要想 你要從產業鏈整個生命中心來看你要讓黑豬因為沒有料園了 或沒有廚餘了 要縮減所以他要整個往下減 像剛才你講對 第一步開始減嘛第一步一年生育過期 你從頭前開始減 後面就減嘛而且現在最麻煩的是什麼是母豬的養殖場 小豬的養繁育場 為什麼大概十分之一場 |
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十分之一的量 退場十分之一 請問母豬的退場你們有沒有補助份目前的母豬的場是全部大概十分之一的量就是母豬要十場退到只剩一場就夠了是不是這樣子意思 十分之一沒有現在的這個黑豬的養豬場十分之一部長我還是跟你講一下我們要讓黑豬規模要轉型轉型包括規模會縮減規模縮減一定是從前端嘛 從圓頭嘛圓頭減了後面的量就減嘛那因為現在 |
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養母豬的他預期後面的量會縮他擔心未來這個生下去之後沒有人要嘛所以他要退場嘛請問目前有沒有對於黑豬場的母豬退場有做輔導輔助 |
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我們現在是沒有 我們現在是正在後端的那因為你前端的我知道你後端的都是補貼飼料的成本差價啦黑豬的改吃飼料的成本差問你那前面的母豬的有沒有退場機制因為牠這樣可以領 因為牠沒有吃飼料 你要捏三下嘛牠現在就沒有吃飼料嘛 你們補的是改吃飼料的成本差嘛只要你是有豬的話 一頭就3600嘛只要是黑豬不管有沒有吃飼料 牠本來就吃飼料啊 |
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我們這個我們現在沒有在處理我們現在只要你是黑豬所以我說你要一個月內我要你承諾一個月內針對整個黑豬產業鏈整個規模縮減後母豬的源頭要怎麼樣在一個月內很快的生因為母豬他現在要是懷孕了他就是等著明年明年的需求嘛明年一年後就沒有了嘛 |
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所以你們要不要先從母豬開始做這應該要做的啊好 那就承諾一個月內將母豬的退場機制 數量跟方法提報好不好可以好 謝謝 |