| IVOD_ID |
166424 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166424 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-15T11:38:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-15T11:48:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:30 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d486c5db5da75906811a452a884c578a3d053df696e011f8b1905849ce66817619e861c81d6c028e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:38:52 - 11:48:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長及環境部首長就「2027年全面禁止廚餘養豬」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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好謝謝主席我想要請陳部長跟沈次長兩位早安我的確有一個就是說涉及到兩個部會共同來協助處理的部分需要問 |
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請教於兩位喔 就是說從目前廚餘在台灣是被廢清法裡面認為是一般的廢棄物那如果未來想要比照日本的ecofit這樣的模式去轉型成環保飼料的時候是不是要修法 |
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第一個部分跟委員報告如果說廚餘變成飼料的話它本身就是飼料那飼料的話就會根據飼料管理法那邊去做這些相關的一個規範它不會再去考慮說它的料源是廚餘或是不是廚餘 |
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所以這就是廚餘就不會被認定為一般廢棄物嗎 是不是對 它變成飼料就不是一般廢棄物了省市長不是嗎 是不是就不會變 所以廢清法部分就不用修因為廢清法是環境部的嘛 對不對所以廢清法的部分就不用修了 是不是而是在飼料的管理法裡面來做修法 相關的修法 是嗎 |
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那那個陳部長我想請問那未來我們是不是有可能像日本這樣的處理方式跟委員報告就是特別委員關心的就是怎麼樣讓廚藝能夠真正的再利用變成飼料委員一直關心所以我們也參考了日本的相關的那個eco feed的本身的一個規範然後也成立了一個專案的一個團隊然後希望說透過公司協力的方式第一個先把技術的取得確認 |
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然後再看看說可不可以用既有的珍珠中心去做這些設備的更改變成一個飼料化的一個工廠所以是要用既有的珍珠中心嗎這是最快的那如果說它是小規模的話它也可以用小規模的像日本它有一些小規模的這些廚餘的直接變成飼料化的這些設備那這個設備我們也在考慮是不是先引進來去做一些測試 |
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那未來就是說我們要怎麼樣子把這個出於就是循環再利用減肥嗎那到底環境部有沒有規劃往生殖能的方面有跟委員報告目前台灣有兩個生殖能延長一個是在桃園一個是台中那目前有一座是藍駝在招標作業當中那規劃的目前有台南跟高雄 |
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那未來要多久因為我們現在你也知道我們現在眼睜睜的就面臨到我們禁止廚餘養豬以後現在學校的這些團善業者還有我們的家用的廚餘等等都面臨到無去處的這個情況嗎 |
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你看你教學校怎麼處理這些事情跟委員報告剛剛講的那個藍投台南跟高雄那是在117年會完成那三年以後是但是在116年底的時候台灣的在地用量就已經大於產生量了 |
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你怎麼計算的我們在明年的一年當中地方政府報上來的他們可以增加的再利用量能包括快速堆回或者是傳統堆回或者是黑水門再利用等等或者是跟污水下一道系統共消化的部分的量能加起來有600噸在未來的一年未來的兩年就是116年的時候會再增加400噸 |
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那你把它變成了就是說你把它都變成了地下污水下水道等等的共消化是其中一個選項另外就是堆回或者是黑水門再利用 |
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至於黑水蒙在利用的問題我也要就教於你我們兩個一起去看過我們兩個一起去看過黑水蒙的那個啊可是黑水蒙的確在過程當中它需要一個發酵的那個過程會產生的氣味會讓互信的就是周邊的如果有居住的人或者是同場域的人會覺得不舒服嘛是不是那這個部分有沒有辦法做解決 |
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跟委員報告那個當然不管是什麼樣的處理設施都應該要考慮到設置的地點的適合性然後做好居民溝通我舉的例子現在不是只有民間設黑水門的場地方政府的清潔隊也有我知道是那我也問過我們的清潔隊的隊員他們過去在處理轉運的過程當中他收的傢戶來之後他再送去處理 |
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戰制的過程當中如果他採用的是用黑水門來取代過去的傳統的方式他改善了他的環境衛生所以清潔隊員是開是歡迎的所以這個不是不是因為我是說如果有這一種氣味的產生那那個發酵過程你菌種可以改嗎是不是菌種能不能改 |
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所以我不了解就是說黑水盟基本上就是飼養了蟲體來吃掉這個有機物我知道我知道我們那天去看了嘛我們去看你也有我想那個我也我不曉得那天你有沒有拿手去我當然有啊對啊那個有溫度的蟲蟲其實它沒有特別的溫度沒有特別的味道我當然有你不是也有嗎有是啊是啊 |
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我是說就是這個會產生造成鄰近設施的這個大家居民的問題我認為你也要想辦法來做相關的解決好不好環境部你這種你就是應該要解決一下就是居民的生活品質的問題那 |
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畢竟台灣就是地狹人稠的地方大家都是很接近這些鄉鄰的設施所以是不是能夠就這個部分環境部也要想出具體解決方法現在很多嘛 你改善那個菌種然後減低氣味等等的這很多方式可以改善 是不是 |
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那部長我在就教育你喔現在怎麼辦飼料養豬就是廚藥不能養豬以後那飼料怎麼辦 |
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這你要講一下第一個部分我覺得現在問題就是說我們現在這些黑豬的部分過去用廚餘嘛那他們過往一直沒有習慣用飼料所以第一個部分就是讓他們習慣怎麼樣用一個飼料去飼養那這個飼料我們現在敘事所有一些就是專門黑豬的這些飼料配方讓他們有這樣的一個習慣 |
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那因為用飼料的話它的生育期就不會跟廚餘一樣那麼長因為廚餘本身是低蛋白的部分所以我想我們會成立我們已經成立一個黑豬的輔導團隊會不會增加成本成本是一定會增加會不會增加成本一定會增加成本但是相對的現在就是很麻煩就是你看養豬的成本也增加學校團善的費用的處理的費用也增加所以兩邊增加嘛對不對 |
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對 我想短期內一定增加但是長期來講的話我們是用確保這些原來的黑豬產業能夠持續發展而且它的利潤是能夠做一個維持基本的維持這個我想我們是我們要的一個目標 |
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那请问一下他如果一些珍珠的设施他才刚买有没有那如果赶不上你们那种ecofit这样子的方式就是用原本的珍珠设施去做这些就是环保饰料那怎么办呢 |
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我想我们现在会用目前的共同争主中心像苗栗的那个全数当作一个一个案场去协助它变成一个饲料化工厂那自己在家里是没有办法变成一个饲料的因为饲料化工厂它有它的品规规格化的问题 |
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所以一般就是说小型的没有办法自己没办法做那有没有就是说那这个他们拆除设备怎么样子相关的我们后续如果说我们的EcoFit如果觉得说这个技术是可行的我们会鼓励一些另外他成立一个不在猪场里面在外面成立一个做这样的一个厨艺饲料化的一个小型工厂这个我想我们都愿意来辅导 |
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所以就是原有的珍珠設施可以變成小型 不行在原來的租場是不行的 不行 不行要在外面就對了 在外面 對因為我們擔心說 那這個怎麼樣協助他們轉型 |
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我想轉型本身特別是剛才也有人提到一些其他的植物性料源那我們也會利用在豬場以外的這些正主中心去做成這些飼料化的原料然後再提供給豬場這樣的話會在防疫的角度會比較安全好希望說儘速去處理好不好因為現在現在廚餘真的是造成大家很大的困擾我知道委員非常關心我想我們一定會努力好好謝謝陳部長好謝謝 |