| IVOD_ID |
166422 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166422 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-15T11:27:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-15T11:37:50+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d486c5db5da75906044a043b5f77642b908415f8fac51cd3b1905849ce6681766a72962f41d473255ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:27:30 - 11:37:50 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請環境部部長、衛生福利部、經濟部、農業部、交通部、國防部及內政部國土管理署就「全臺垃圾山危機與事業廢棄物去化」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝新任主席 請部長有請部長欸 蘇委員好部長辛苦了謝謝我問三個問題 簡單明瞭第一個 現在台灣的露天的垃圾場還有幾座33座那個 那個圖 |
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沒有 下一張這個 這個怎麼63 |
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以前200多座嘛這個應該是以前 還沒有處理的那你現在這些露天的你給人家說2026年要全部產品你是要怎麼產品第一個是附土 第二個是打包不是產品 附土打包產品要等到焚化爐的量能夠才慢慢的把它處理 還有一段時間 |
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所以就蓋著蓋著蓋著 又要倒零因為這個掩埋本來就是垃圾處理的方式之一但是我們現在我們先解決因為裸露的過去實在太多去年我上任的時候五十幾座甚至有人號稱百月 事實上是五十三座現在是我們希望能夠減少因為住在附近的民眾真的很可憐 |
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所以我們是希望承諾說先把它蓋起來然後之後呢我們這個等到焚化爐的量夠之後一步一步的再來處理那像台南那個那前幾天燒起來垃圾山 |
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恢修是很平常的事情又很難破壞因為你的水車去到那裡都要捏一捏水車載五檔六檔的水到那裡就全部散了就完了 |
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所以只要垃圾山火燒都很難撲滅一燒就是一個禮拜 兩個禮拜 再次噴污染非常嚴重現在還有四個縣沒有焚化爐焚林 南島 花蓮 新的館 |
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新竹他已經在試營運了南投他自己我所知道他們地方要發飆然後澎湖他們自己有在討論其實我應該不太會發飆吧所以這是 |
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沒辦法驗收 他們現在都是驗買還是拖延到別的地方我還記得南島都拖在台中刺燒嘛現在還有嗎現在因為台中自身難保所以他都還是自己有委託給別的縣市再處理啦但是等於是說量還是沒辦法去劃 |
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所以還是要趕快給他們蓋啦我們屏東分類的很好所以效果不錯是工商不發達還是怎樣 垃圾量太少還是分類很好他們很努力啦所以屏東的這個原來的這個垃圾露天的這個裸露的這個其實已經沒有了沒有 黃寮那個好像也都沒了嘛對 沒有了 解決了好 第二個問題那個 |
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好 台灣黑熊往下跑日本棕熊也往下跑台灣的石斛也往下跑結果日本那邊有報說這跟光電盤有關的 保定是怎樣 |
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這個我沒有特別的研究啦我會再來跟這個農業部來探討一下他說這個因為光電板太陽會動嘛所以光電板每一個角度都不一樣所以反射反光都不一樣那這些光害動物本身就很敏感鳥類也很敏感 |
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那這些棲息在中海 海拔的像低海拔的石斧 苗栗那邊都一直往下走整個棲息地都破壞所以日本現在有一個提出一個看法說他們低海拔 中海拔現在絕對不再做光電板屋頂的 |
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光點板他們可以做他們還是可以允許做但是地海拔、中海拔他們都不做我們台灣不然你這裡下去研究一下沒這個好嗎現在的錢都遭遭下來這幾本都要送了現在台灣這幾年保育做得很好你到山上可以看到很多山羌我到霧台那邊去整條馬路旁邊都是猴子 |
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我就給牠比這樣凍蒜凍蒜牠也這樣跟我一起跳我把牠撩到牆上來看一看所以這些熊或者是野生動物的棲息你要研究一下你沒有這方面的idea |
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因為這個是屬於農業部主管的啦我們會跟他研究不過委員那個因為我們台灣的光電板的環評的標準在山坡地是全世界最嚴格的這委員您放心這個很就是目前未來山坡地如果要光電板是很辛苦的 |
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要管制啦不要這樣一直破壞我們的環境喔你看這些光電板的業者一個一個都出事啦燒啊燒啊這表示說有問題嘛弊端一大堆喔我們環境部的人絕對不要去隱謀到裡面不要牽扯到裡面我們是這個環評的審核單位所以我們跟那個無關的 |
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把關把得遠一點不要受到壓力就亂核准這個是災難整個移給子孫不可取啦 |
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你上次那些光電板33座出事了現在復原到什麼程度現在它的量現在33座我們有拿到這個23座的它的這個數據每一個鏈的數據了然後其他的都是在已經進入這個去化的過程當中所以我也很放心我們都有列管 |
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好了 營業你不用起來了好 最後一個問題 事業廢棄物那你現在SRF啦 你的事業廢棄物啦你現在有沒有分類分得好我看你們現在是蠻嚴格的啦是 想問問你一下 醫療廢棄物現在怎麼處理 |
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醫療廢棄物現在一年大概是12萬噸那目前來說的話現在等於是說有分幾種的量大概12家啦滅菌再利用的8家其實目前的量能剛好是平衡的不過我是覺得因為我也聽到很多醫界的朋友說很貴啦 |
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很貴 那我也會跟我們署長再想辦法說如何循環再利用的比例拉高減少他的這個負債那現在用紅袋裝的污染性廢墟都燒掉嘛黃袋是回收嘛那這是你們在控制還是議事室在控制因為有些再利用呢是就是衛福部那邊公告的不過我們這邊還是會去輔導然後讓這個我們的滅菌再利用這邊的那個量可以增加 |
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就是說用黃帶的盡量鼓勵這樣可以回收是不是這樣嘛所以現在以前大部分都是用紅帶就直接燒掉是很可惜啦那你現在黃帶的比例 副市長現在差不多8%跟蘇委員報告根據環境部113年的資料顯示黃帶的再利用率是23% |
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百分之二十三所以一些比如洗腎的TUBE 人工腎臟都可以破碎回收那你現在黃袋的價格跟紅袋的價格差很多嗎 |
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價格應該蠻有差異的可能是他的三分之一或二分之一就是說房貸比較便宜這樣喔對進行回收再利用的滅菌再利用比較便宜就是鼓勵他們盡量回收就對了不然你這裡有什麼配套我看那個做醫療廢棄物的都做到頑固多了都做到要倒要倒還有什麼事情 |
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不會啊 我看我訪視幾家都還因為他的收的費用還蠻高的但是量不多啦量不多啦所以有在輔導我看真的他們都艱苦經營 |
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那我們今年就是有我們有綠色醫療方案去進行輔導所以像這個我們的全25家這個醫學中心那今年已經可以全部來推動我們這個生物醫療滅菌災難的工作那像去年是就是比去年的話就多了4家了 |
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那這一方面回收再利用 滅菌之後回收再利用這個因為常常接到他們的懲罰所以北京府跟我們衛福部這邊都要注意 如果需要幫忙就幫忙我沒有講特定哪一家 這個是好事 |
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跟委員報告其實那個SRF它還是一個經過好好的管理它還是可以走的路啦那我也就是透過這個機會就是說如果好的可以繼續走社會也要慢慢可以接受因為我們經過一年的整頓其實整個成效還不錯啦慢慢得到大家的信賴不過還是有一段路要走啦還是被汙名化啦所以這個要輔導啦也要跟他們幫忙好 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝蘇青全委員發言 |