| IVOD_ID |
16642 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16642 |
| 日期 |
2025-05-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第10次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第10次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-05-02T08:30:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-05-02T17:10:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
08:39:32 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a609a0c6b87da96034de313f24779fd214cf14bfadd538e1bbbfd8d00717b644caa45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-05-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第10次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、5月2日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、5月6日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:30:28 - 17:10:00 |
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主委院長各位隔壁人早安報議會現在我們進行國事論壇每位委員發言三分鐘首先請劉書斌委員發言吳宗憲委員請準備 |
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院長 各位同仁 各位夥伴 大家好昨天是五一勞動節照例全台各大公衛集結凱達格蘭大道上面遊行訴求反霸凌要保障這次公鬥的特色是遊行的公會數大幅增加且多元除了血汗的勞工之外 |
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包括醫護跟外送員台電工會還有外勞團體也都加入甚至也因看清楚民進黨的真實面貌而將只顧政權不顧勞權的白紙柔橙紙球朝總統府扔擲 |
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民進黨曾經提出六大勞動承諾但如今全面跳票台灣依舊是低薪高工時的國家2024年的時候工時為2030個小時全球第六亞洲第二非典型的勞動保障不足勞災的 |
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職災的勞工保障不力景霄組工會更遭到污名化柯建民無視於上屆跟本屆的民進黨立委有數十位連署支持景霄組工會而說組工會罷工有助於中共清台成為中共的同路人 |
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若能夠核電廠的重啟或是演繹即不需行政院挹注歉意撥補無論是漲電價或者是預算撥補通通的來源是全民辛苦的納稅錢注意是全民辛苦的納稅錢當務之急應該是調整能源政策重新檢討能源的發電配備民眾黨主張 |
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核三研議的這個議題呢應該透過全民公投來反映全民公投來反映而能夠平衡成本與環境永續請大家來支持核三研議公投請大家來支持核三研議公投謝謝劉淑冰委員的發言接下來我們請吳宗憲委員發言陳金威委員請準備 |
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院長各位立委同仁各位國人大家早安那民進黨所推動的罷免案件已經讓台灣進入到非常嚴重對立的環境導致國人感情炙烈對於投票的結果在這幾次的選舉都有人民有一些懷疑發生例如對於紙紙投票箱的質疑 |
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像是不環保或底板跟真正的底部之間可能有空隙等等即使中選會多次澄清仍然無法去遏止這樣子的聲音出現那這會造成其實負責第一線的選務工作者得到非常多的壓力以及罵名尤其是選舉工具是否讓民眾感覺是公開透明這個是最重要所以當人民有所質疑的時候中選會就應該回應民意 |
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才能避免最終的選舉結果有讓人民懷疑那本席想藉這次的機會提出一個建議大家可以看看本席手上的這個箱子 |
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箱子的五個面是白色也就是我們用不透明的壓克力板這是為了避免違反秘密投票的原則因為這段時間有民眾向中選會建議說是不是改成透明的箱子當然這個會違反秘密投票那中選會也表示這個不可能但是不透明的部分是不是會讓人民懷疑底板跟壓底的厚紙板之間 |
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能夠常有選票那如果說我們今天改成五面不透明但是我們底部是用透明的壓克力底板雖然封死但是底部是透明那這樣在投票前選務人員打開供各位人民檢查的時候這時候是一望即知一眼望穿絕對不會有人懷疑底部是否有常有東西那在投票的時候因為投票是 |
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當場投票當天投票投完票之後立刻開票所以這個箱子當放置在桌面上的時候他底部也不會讓人窺探到裡面的投票選票到底是選誰這個也是能夠讓他維持秘密投票的這個可能性當然本期所提出來的只是簡介還可以中選會或是我們的內政委員會也可以 |
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讓它更優化只是本行想提出來能夠消擬這些民眾的聲音我想我們鄰近的國家的投票箱像日本是金屬製的像韓國它是一體成型的塑膠箱子那這些都是一個不容易能夠有一些弊案發生的 |
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的選舉工具那我們台灣現在用紙箱紙箱確實會讓人會懷疑他有一些問題甚至有沒有可能抽出選票或塞入選票等等最後本席要強調我不是在質疑過去選舉是否不公正或選務人員的公正性我從來不是在質疑這個而是當人民有所質疑的時候政府就要提出解決的方法因為解決人民的疑慮這個是政府的天職 |
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而不是每次謠言出現才在後面追著解釋謠言謝謝各位 |
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主席各位委員各位官員還有媒體朋友大家早安今天我想要說的是衛福部的小腦袋又正常發揮了在這邊我也請賴清德總統放過基層醫護人員近期呢有兩位基層的醫護投書 |
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國際的四大醫療期刊The Lancet討論台灣健保體系正處於崩潰的邊緣講出很多賴清德衛福部不敢面對的真相這些大白話惹怒了醫師總統賴清德所以衛福部的小腦袋開始發揮原本以為會解決問題結果他們只是解決提出問題的人 |
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震怒 硬起來 然後要求他們撤文我們的護理師荒鎮經歷前所未有的挑戰根據台灣護師醫療產業工會最新的數據近四個月已經有1302位護理師選擇離開職場其中三月的離職人數為548人是近六年來的新高啊 |
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我也接受到許多年輕的護理人員陳情很多還在學的護理系學生都在準備出國考護理師的交流群組討論到底畢業後要去澳洲還是去美國現在不只台積電要去美國連護理師也都要出國了這些年輕的護理師用腳來投票就是對政府最沉重又最安靜的抗議 |
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護理師荒是什麼新的議題嗎是在兩位基層醫護人員投書之後才出現的問題嗎結果號稱第一位醫師的賴清德總統做了什麼應對呢事實上什麼都沒有醫界最挺的民進黨過去一整年都是充耳不聞把基層的哀嚎當作是耳邊風怎麼現在基層人員投書賴政府就跳腳就震怒 |
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纵使数据有物质但根本瑕不掩瑜说到数据的问题我们又怎么能够忘记上个月卫福部公布护理师薪水一个月有7万多这种梦里才会出现的数字马上被各界打脸医护人员纷纷出来说对不起原来是我拉低了水平 |
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更諷刺的是這禮拜台南議員還質詢醫院一床難求他們協調病床協調到可憐的病人都過世了最後還是沒有賴清德總統你的台南本命區也都失火了你卻只要求說實話的人撤文 |
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不要因為你賴清德震怒衛福部硬起來醫護荒就可以解決作秀剛好就好再演下去就會鬧笑話了因為這就是現代版國王的新衣衣真實在上演謝謝陳金威委員的發言在接下來我們請登記最後一位麥玉珍委員請發言 |
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院長各位親愛的家人早安我們還記得很清楚那一年蔡英文在競選總統時信誓旦旦向勞工承諾要落實週休二日不會砍價絕不讓勞工實質權利利益的收選 |
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但是今天九年過去了,總統換成了賴清德,但是我們看到的是什麼?是一例一休的混亂,是七天國定假日的依然消逝。 |
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是勞工朋友一年辛苦工作卻只剩下區區七天特休的現實民進黨一直都說勞工師心頭最軟的一塊可 |
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这软都是嘴巴说说而已实际却拿劳工的价劳工的健康劳工的生活当作政治利益的牺牲品我们说的改革其实是砍掉劳工的权利他们说的沟通 |
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他們說的改革其實是砍掉勞工的權利他們說的溝通其實是與資方聯手壓榨工時他們口口聲講進步卻是一直在退步讓台灣的勞工成為亞洲第二長工時的悲劇每年工作超過230小時 |
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2030個小時還高於日本韓國更荒謬的是中華民國歷任的勞動部長既然沒有一人真正出生基層無法體會職場霸凌低薪壓榨無法 |
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休假的苦 他們在冷氣房內寫報告我們勞工缺災 戶熱下拼命工作在通勤中吃早餐 在工地冒著生命的危險在2017年 那七天假 被民進黨強制 |
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官山的砍除至今還沒還給我們這不是單純的休假問題這是對勞工的尊嚴與糟蹋因此台灣民眾黨堅定主張通過國定假日法要把小年月 |
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五一勞動節 928教師節12月18 移民日行縣紀念日 12月20 |
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我們勞工加油 台灣加油 謝謝大家 |
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| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2666.745 |
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謝謝麥玉珍委員的發言報告委員會現在登記國事論壇發言的委員均已發言完畢我們謝謝陳永康委員參與我們的國事論壇我們現在休息 |
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5430.798 |
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5445.007 |
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會員會我們繼續開會請副秘書長報告出席人數會員會出席委員六十人已足法定人數我們現在開會進行報告四項請秘書長宣副秘書長宣讀第三會期第九次會議一次錄 |
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5445.765 |
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5452.494 |
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立法院第11屆第三會期第九次會議議事錄時間中華民國114年4月25日上午9時至9時13分10時至12時10分下午20時30分至40時49分4月29日上午9時至12時6分下午20時15分至20時16分 |
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二十三十分至五十十二分地點本院議場出席委員黃委員國昌等一百一十二人警教委員柯委員建銘列席官員行政院院長卓榮泰等十五人主席院長韓國瑜報告四項第一案宣讀本院第十一屆第三會期第八次會議事錄決定確定第二至四十三四十六至四十八五十至七十六七十八至一百一十六一百一十八至一百四十一一百四十四至三百零六案均決定 |
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5496.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
交付相關委員會審查、處理或交付相關委員會第44、45、49、77案均決定近乎二讀與相關提案並按協商第117案決定另訂其處理第142、143案均決定 |
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5504.943 |
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5525.267 |
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同意撤回第307至311案為社會福利及衛生環境委員會等所提之報告案第312、313案均決定展延審查期限質詢四項行政院答覆部分五件對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢決定下次會議進行交通組織質詢討論事項第一案決議函請行政院嚴處 |
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第二三案均決議另定期處理其他事項主席宣告以上宣讀完畢 |
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第二案 本院委員吳思耀 短時6日離聚 國家海洋科技營運中心設置條例草案 程序委員會見 交司法及法制內政兩委員會審查 宣讀完畢全院會有異議 異議通過下議案第三案 本院委員許智傑 短時4日離聚 自動安全管理法修正草案 程序委員會見 交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢異議通過下議案 |
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第四案 本域委員業員職等二十人離聚 運動採卷方形條例第21條及第21條之一條文修正草案 產修委員會建交教育及文化財政兩委員會審查 宣讀完畢第五案 本域委員業員職等二十人離聚 環境基本法第23條條文修正草案 產修委員會建交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
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第六案本院委員陳冠廷的十七人離去國家機密保護法第十四條條文修正草案陳秀揚會見交司法及法制委員會審查宣讀完畢第七案本院委員賴會員的二十四人離去民法部分條文修正草案陳秀揚會見交司法及法制委員會審查宣讀完畢第八案本院委員賴會員的二十四人離去 |
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5611.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
5636.928 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
民法親屬編釋刑法增添第七條之一條文草案陳秀元會見交司法及法治委員會審查宣讀完畢第九案本院委員陳學生的二十六人理據姓名條例第九條條文修正草案陳秀元會見交內政委員會審查宣讀完畢第十案本院委員陳學生的二十六人理據大眾運輸工具播音語言平等保障法第六條條文修正草案陳秀元會見交交通委員會審查宣讀完畢 |
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5655.314 |
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第十一案 本院委員陳學生的二十六人凝聚兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第五十四條是一條文修憲草案請學員會見交社會福利及物善環境委員會審查訓練完畢第十二案 本院委員劉建國等十七人凝聚老人福利法第四十八條的文修憲草案 |
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5678.084 |
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陳秀陽會見交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣傳IP第一十三案 本院委員劉建國的17人鄰居及安全衛生法第一條 第四條及第六條條文宣傳案陳秀陽會見交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣傳IP報告事項 第十三案 劉建國委員提出測案 請問院會有異議異議通過 本案同意測回下案 |
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第十四案 本院員劉建國的17人離聚 護理人員法不分條維修憲草案 陳秀揚會見交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢第十五案 本院員劉建國的17人離聚 身心障礙者權益保障法不分條維修憲草案 陳秀揚會見交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
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5714.225 |
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第十六案 本院委員沈伯陽的二十人離聚台灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例第九條之一條維修正常案陳秀揚會見交內政委員會審查宣讀完畢第十七案 本院委員劉許廷的十七人離聚公司法第387條之一及第449條條維修正常案 |
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5734.467 |
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請求委員會見交經濟委員會審查 宣讀完畢第十八案本院委員留學庭的16人離聚商業登記法第九條之一及第37條條務修正草案請求委員會見交經濟委員會審查 宣讀完畢第十九案本院委員留學庭的16人離聚勞動技術法第38條條務修正草案 |
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5735.187 |
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委員會審查委員會審查委員會審查 |
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第22案 北部委員徐宇珍的16人罹廢止 內政部議政署組織法 陳秀陽會監教司法及法治內政 兩委員會審查 訊息完畢第23案 北部委員徐宇珍的16人罹廢止 內政部消防署組織條例 陳秀陽會監教司法及法治內政 兩委員會審查 訊息完畢 |
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5777.293 |
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5797.808 |
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第二十四案 本院委員徐宇珍的十六人離廢止內政募引件署組織條例陳秀英會監教司法及法制內政兩委員會審查 宣讀完畢第二十五案 本院委員翁曉琳的十六人離去衛生福利部疾病管制署組織法第二條條文修正常案陳秀英會監教司法及法制社會福利及衛生環境兩委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
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5814.859 |
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第二十六案本院由渥小林的十六人理據就業服務法第五十二條條文修正草案陳秀榮會建交社會福利及渥上環經營委員會審查宣傳完畢第二十七案本院由渥小林的十七人理據政府採購法第九十八條條文修正草案 |
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5835.236 |
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強修委員會兼交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢第二十八案本院委員訴求會的17人鄰居大型群聚活動安全管理條例草案強修委員會兼交內政委員會審查 宣讀完畢第二十九案本院委員訴求會的17人鄰居住宅保護分量修正草案強修委員會兼交內政委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
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第三十案 北約文宿小會的十七年年居 國家海洋科技營運中心設置條例草案 強修委員會建交司法及法治內政兩委員會審查 宣讀完畢第三十一案 北約文宿小會的十六年年居 國民年金法第十二條條文修正草案 強修委員會建交社會福利及物資環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
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5855.828 |
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5880.877 |
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第32案 本院委員蘇曉慧的19人離聚醫療法增定第22條之一條文草案陳秀陽會建交社會福利及溫暇環境委員會審查 宣告完畢第33案 本院委員吳佩儀的16人離聚社會救助法部分條文修正草案陳秀陽會建交社會福利及溫暇環境委員會審查 宣告完畢第34案 本院委員吳佩儀的18人離聚性別平等工作法第15條第20條之一及第21條條文修正草案 |
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5896.613 |
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請求由會建交社會福利及温暖環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢第35案 北部人物配1.18的鄰居就業保險罰第19條 主要條文修正草案請求由會建交社會福利及温暖環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
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5918.012 |
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第36案 本月5月5日美匯等17年凝聚 勞工保險條例第66條及第69條條文修正草案 陳秀揚會見交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣言完畢第37案 本月5月5日美匯等16年凝聚 國家海洋科技營運中心設置條例草案 陳秀揚會見交司法及法治內政 聯委委員會審查 宣言完畢 |
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第三十八案 北部委員邱勝軍的十七人凝聚中華民國刑法第339條及第339條之四條無修正草案 強修委員會皆交司法及法治委員會審查 宣讀完畢第三十九案 北部委員邱勝軍的十六人凝聚 住宅法第四條條無修正草案 強修委員會皆交內政委員會審查 宣讀完畢第四十案 北部委員邱勝軍的十七人凝聚 道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條及第二十一條條無修正草案 |
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5972.481 |
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陳秀陽會建交消動委員會審查 宣讀完畢第四十一案 本院委員陳佩玉等18人離聚國家海洋科技營運中心設施條例 早安陳秀陽會建交司法及法制內準兩委員會審查 宣讀完畢第四十二案 本院委員林月琴等29人離聚學校工餐及飲食就業法 早安陳秀陽會建交教育及文化委員會審查 宣讀完畢第四十三案 本院委員林俊仙等26人離聚使用牌照稅法第五條條文修正 早安 |
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第四十四案第四十五案第四十五案 |
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第四十六案 北部遊園網媒會的十七人離聚 住宅法第四條條文修正草案 強修委員會建交內政委員會審查 宣言完畢第四十七案 北部遊園郭育勤的十九人離聚 電影法部分條文修正草案 強修委員會建交教育及文化委員會審查 宣言完畢第四十八案 北部遊園郭育勤的十九人離聚 私立學校法第六十二條條文修正草案 |
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第四十九案第六條第七條及第十條注意條文修正草案第五十案個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案 |
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財政委員會監交經濟委員會審查 宣准完畢第五十一案 北部委員郭國文的十八日離聚保險保護部門條文修正草案財政委員會監交財政委員會審查 宣准完畢第五十二案 北部委員郭國文的十八日離聚加水型及非加水型營業稅房第十三條及第二十六條條文修正草案財政委員會監交財政委員會審查 宣准完畢報告四項 第五十二案現有民進黨黨團體進一步二讀與相關提案並按協商請問委員會有異議 |
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第五十三案 本院委員吳秉瑞等二十人離聚 保險法部分條文修正草案 財政委員會監交財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢第五十四案 本院委員吳秉瑞等十八人離聚 個人資料保護委員會組織法草案 財政委員會監交司法及法治經濟 兩委員會審查 宣讀完畢第五十五案 本院委員吳秉瑞等十八人離聚 民法第1085條 第1097條及第1020 |
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1108條條文修正常案陳樹元會建交司法及法治委員會審查宣讀完畢第56案本院台灣民眾黨黨團聯聚道路交通管理處罰條例第35條條文修正常案陳樹元會建交交通委員會審查宣讀完畢第57案本院台灣民眾黨黨團聯聚技術及職業教育法第9條及第24條條文修正常案陳樹元會建交教育及文化委員會審查宣讀完畢 |
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第五十八案本院台湾民众党党团联聚医疗法第十二条第一百零二条及第一百零六条十一条文修正常案承受委员会见交社会福利及卫生环境委员会审查宣传完毕无疑通过宣言第五十九案本院委员吴丽华拟撤回前提罪证公知会基本法层案案承受委员会见拟请委员会同意撤回宣传完毕无疑通过宣言 |
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第60案 行政院海警宣言因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全任性特別條例草案案陳淑媛會建交經濟財政兩委員會審查 宣傳完畢第61案 行政院響為中華民國113年11月29日修正公布之《消防法》部分條文定制114年6月1日實行陳淑媛會建交內政委員會 宣傳完畢 |
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6170.08 |
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第六宣案第六宣案第六宣案第六宣案第六宣案第六宣案第六宣案 |
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6195.68 |
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第六十五案第六十六案第六十六案 |
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6220.117 |
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6228.12 |
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第67案 內政務海維修生土地或土地改良物徵收補償費 合計合法對象及領取辦法第4條第7條條文及第13條附表第68案 內政務海維修生地方立法機關組織準則第6條及第7條條文 |
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6260.236 |
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成熟委員會建交內政司法及法治兩委員會 宣讀完畢第六十九案 原住民組委員會含維修正原住民保留地開發管理辦法部分條文成熟委員會建交內政委員會 宣讀完畢第七十案 海洋委員會含送海洋保育法直轄市縣市主管機關之管轄範圍成熟委員會建交內政委員會 宣讀完畢 |
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6261.896 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
6281.064 |
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第七許願海洋委員會函送《海洋污染防禦法》第15條第一項及第三項規定所致達中央主管機關公告規模之行為樣態及財務保證書之保證額度貨責任保險單之賠償責任限額程序委員會見交內政委員會宣讀完畢第七許願海洋委員會函為廢止 |
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6286.53 |
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第七十三案海洋委員會行為北約制定海洋保育法通過附帶決議解送海洋保育法蘭嶼場署名會會議記錄陳秀元會見交內政委員會 |
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6299.505 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
6318.797 |
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第七十四案 中央選舉委員會 海維修正 公職委員報名案 提議連述及查對作業本法部分條文及第3條-13 第10條-15 第18條-17至-14 程序委員會建交內政委員會第七十五案 國家安全局 海維修正 特勤人員及特勤編組人員 |
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6347.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
執行特種請勿遭受暴力或意外危害致全聖人或半聖人及殉職人員子女將有養伴法第五條條文陳書永會建交外交及國防委員會 宣讀完畢第七水量案經濟部海外修正並凌絕種動植物資物種副表3陳書永會建交經濟委員會 宣讀完畢第七水氣案經濟部內政部海外修正設置災水能源設施免淺冷雜傷執照標準陳書永會建交經濟內政兩委員會 宣讀完畢 |
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報應會本案由國民黨團體議改交審查本案交經濟內政兩委會審查第七十八案經濟部內政部海維修宣商業團體分業標準增訂第三方支付服務業商業團體業別及業務範圍承受委員會建交經濟內政兩委會宣讀完畢第七十九案農業部海維修宣公告 |
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| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
6387.733 |
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美國馬里蘭州自高邊緣新疆省流行性感冒肺疫區刪除陳述永會建交經濟委員會宣言完畢第八十案農業部海外修正公告美屬波多里克自高邊緣新疆省流行性感冒肺疫區刪除陳述永會建交經濟委員會宣言完畢 |
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6389.655 |
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6403.73 |
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第八許願農業部海委修正農業部農田水利署南投管理處農田水利設施範圍陳書仁會建交經濟委員會宣言完畢第八許願農業部海委修正漁船建造許可及漁業證照合法準則部分條文 |
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6425.161 |
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陳修揚會兼交經濟委員會 宣讀完畢第八十四案 農業部海外修正公告美國求知亞洲及紐約州自高病原性家庭流行性感冒肺疫去刪除陳修揚會兼交經濟委員會 宣讀完畢第八十四案 農業部海外修正公告美國維吉尼亞州自高病原性家庭流行性感冒肺疫去刪除 |
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6426.081 |
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委員會主席委員會主席 |
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6441.869 |
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6467.58 |
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第86案 財政部海委修正入境旅客攜帶行李物品報驗稅放編法第7條及第10條條文 財政委員會皆交財政委員會 宣讀完畢第87案 財政部海委修正席間房屋物品出入境申報及通報編法第1條 第3條及第4條條文 財政委員會皆交財政委員會 宣讀完畢第88案 財政部海委修正物流中心貨物通關編法部分條文 |
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6468.34 |
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6495.848 |
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財修委員會建交財政委員會 宣讀完畢第八十九案 教育部捍衛本院修正學生輔導部份條文通過附帶權益 解送高級中等校學校專任輔導教師師資培育規劃及配套措施書面報告財修委員會建交教育及文化委員會 宣讀完畢第九十案 國家通訊總部委員會函送電信管制設平器材製造輸入及申報作業管理辦法第二十九條條文及第二十三條附表六刊物表 |
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財修委員會建交交通委員會宣讀完畢報言會本案由臺灣民眾黨團體改交審查本案交交通委員會審查下議案第九十一案交通部海維修正使用國營航空站駐航設備及相關設施設備標準第十六條條文及第十五條副表財修委員會建交交通委員會宣讀完畢故意通過下議案第九十二案交通部海維採用國際海事組織所屬海事安全委員會採納之 |
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國際載運工業人員傳播安全章程等二件相關決議案 定定載運工業人員傳播安全證書 承受委員會建交交通委員會 宣傳並第九十三案交通部海維修正車輛警示安全宣言管理辦法第十四條 附表 |
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未通過下言未通過下言未通過下言 |
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第九十六案 國防部海維修正國防部編制表陳樹永會兼交司法及法治外交及國防兩委員會宣讀完畢第九十七案 衛生福利部海維修正衛生福利部澎湖醫院編制表陳樹永會兼交司法及法治社會福利及衛生環境兩委員會宣讀完畢第九十八案 衛生福利部海維修正社會工作室與專科社會工作室證照及專審審查收費標準第三條條文 |
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陳修緣會監教社會福利及衛生環境委員會 宣讀完畢第九十九案 衛生福利部海門修正要事法第102條 所稱無要事原職業職偏遠地區與非屬上述偏遠地區列表附表八附表十一附表十三及全民健康保險新醫療資源部署地區改善方案循回地點列屬要事法第102條 所稱無要事原職業職偏遠地區列表附表二附表六 |
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第100案 衛生福利部橫送精神疾病嚴重病人強制處置費用標準第101案 環境部卡維修正環境 |
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評估法實行細則第53條條文及第12條附表1第19條附表2 全區委員會兼交社會福利及衛生環境委員會 宣言完畢報告委員會本案由國民黨團體改交審查本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 下壓 |
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第一零二案 環境部海委修正開放行為應實施環境影響評估細目及範圍認定標準部分條文及第三條附表一附表二承受委員會兼交社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣讀完畢第一零三案 環境部喊送共通性事業廢棄物作為固體再生燃料原料再利用管理辦法承受委員會兼交社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣讀完畢報告委員會本案由國民黨團體改交審查本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 下一案 |
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6697.092 |
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第一零四案 環境母海維修正數污染防治措施及檢測申報管理一般法部分條文及第六十條附表一陳修緣會兼交社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣告完畢報告完畢本案由國民黨團體改交審查本案交社會福利及衛生福利環境福利委員會環境委員會審查下一案 |
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第105案 環境母海維修生過濾空氣污染物 排放標準 財修委員會建交社會福利及衛生環境委員會 宣言完畢第106案 環境母海維修生固定污染源空氣污染物 連續自動監測 適時管理辦法 財修委員會建交社會福利及衛生環境委員會 宣言完畢第107案 環境母海維修生公司場所應定期檢測及宣佈之固定污染源公告事項第二項及第一項副表一 副表二 副表五 |
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第108案 環境部行為修正空氣污染物及噪音檢查人員證書費收費標準第二條條文 採訊委員會建交社會福利及温暑環境委員會 宣讀完畢第109案 環境部行為環境保護專責及技術人員合格證書規費收費標準名稱修正為環境保護專責及技術人員證書費收費標準並修正第三條條文 |
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6760.549 |
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第110案 環境部海外修正一般廢棄物回收清除處理辦法第6條 第2條文 程序委員會接交社會福利及外商環境委員會第111案 環境部海外修正以網路傳輸方式申報廢棄物資產出 |
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主持人清除处理再利用输出及输入情形之申报格式项目内容及频率公告事项第八项之一前讯员会建交社会福利及外向环境委员会宣传完毕无意通过宣言第112案环境部海总本院修正空气负担防治法通过负担决议第二项之114年度专案报告 |
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前述委員會建交社會福利及外商環境委員會處理宣讀完畢為通過報議院會我們第113案到501案請依序宣讀其中第116到120、147、155、156、196、207、216、224、226、227、242、246、271至273 |
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277、358、378、388、382、495、496案台灣民眾黨黨團體改交審查宣讀之後以上提案均改交相關委員會審查其餘議案均照程序委員會意見通過請委員會有異議沒有異議我們宣讀之後通過請宣讀 |
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第113案 國家科學及技術委員會第114案 交通部第115案 至第120案 內政部第121案 至第138案 國防部第139案 至第158案 農業部第159案 公平交易委員會第160案 至第185案 財政部 |
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第86案至第209案 中央銀行第210案 金融監督管理委員會第211案至第243案 交通部第244案至第251案 國家通訊常務委員會第252案至第257案 核能安全委員會第258案至第263案 防務部第264案 核能安全委員會第265案及第266案 國家科學及技術委員會 |
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第267案 至第270案 審計部第271案 及第272案 考試院第273案 及第274案 公務人員保障及培訓委員會第275案 至第279案 中央選舉委員會第280案 至第300案 國家安全局及第301案 至第303案 密國家安全局 |
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第304案 治理337案文化部第338案 治理302案行政院第333案 治理353案海洋委員會第354案 治理357案外交部第358案 治理372案僑務委員會及第374案密僑務委員會第375案 治理376案農業部第377案 治理390案國家發展委員會第391案 治理469案財政部 |
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第470案之第484案文化部第485案之第494案國家科學及技術委員會第495案及第496案國家通訊傳播委員會第497案及第498案考選部第499案詮釋部第500案及第50 |
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議案 勞動部 捍衛中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第四期特別預算一百十三年度中央政府總算附屬單位預算各年度相關預算一百十四年度中央政府總算等預算決議分別簡訊相關報告宣讀完畢請繼續宣讀質詢事項質詢事項 請進入答覆部分請注意含重本院萬委員梅琳等所聽質詢之書面答覆共識見宣讀完畢 |
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現在我們針對行政院院長施政方針及施政報告我們繼續質詢今天進行個人質詢交通組首先請林思明委員質詢 蘇巧慧委員請準備好 謝謝院長我請卓榮泰院長麻煩請卓院長備詢 |
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院長好昨天是五一勞動節對於台電即將就是我們台灣的核電即將歸零台電眾多的員工昨天赴經濟部抗議錯誤的能源政策結果郭志威部長卻是公開講看不下去可以離開院長部長這樣的一個談話 |
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是多麼傲慢這態度真的太傲慢了根本就是不適任來我們看一下影片我們回顧一下2016年蔡英文總統首度當選總統她在上任前講了一段讓全民拒以後望的一段話我相信未來的政府也會有這樣的雅量如果第一次聽不見你可以大聲一點 |
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第二次再聽不見你可以更大聲一點第三次再不回應的時候你可以拍桌子但是我拜託的是不要第一次就拍桌子院長過去蔡總統對於人民對政府的一個建議或者對政府喊話 |
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看蔡總統說了這個話但是這次郭部長我看今天的媒體大家都覺得他真的是不適任應該下台所以你覺得說郭部長講出這個話到底是失言還是他的態度傲慢 |
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我先說我的立場勞工當然是國家最珍貴的資產國家的生產力國家的經濟發展勞工都是最主要的原動力所以在昨天我們也特別表達了敬意不僅是全國的勞工更何況是國營事業的同伴夥伴們更是肩負的政府支撐政府運作最重要的一環所以我認為對所有的勞工朋友包括國營事業的夥伴們我們都基於是一家人的感覺 |
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同樣的來關懷所以院長我覺得部長可以多一些關懷所以部長說這個話你覺得他應不應該道歉他應該 |
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趕快去跟所有的國營事業的夥伴們勞工夥伴們表示經濟部更多的關懷而且我希望我們很多的部會都有國營事業的單位都應該利用這個時候透過這個事件再次重申政府的立場跟所有部會跟勞工夥伴們站在一起郭部長是你的格言所以你願不願意對他失言你先做道歉向國人來道歉 |
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向台電的員工來道歉我會找國務部長來談一談在這樣的談話的基礎底下但我認為 |
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這個談話已經引起社會大家的討論甚至我相信一定相當程度引起勞工朋友心理上面的不快針對這一點我認為站在政府一體的立場上面我應該表達對勞工更多的關懷好 謝謝我對你今天的態度予以肯定但是我覺得郭部長多次的失言其實已經不是人了應該下台也要為這一次的事件盡速的來道歉好 |
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院長接下來我請教你你知不知道我們全國有哪幾條的東西向快速道路唯一沒有銜接我們的國道系統的高速公路你知不知道 |
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你說的是新竹地區 東西向的快速道路全台大概有七條嘛就是沒有銜接 新竹地區的是六十幾號道路台六八台六八新竹我想部長我們星期一也去考察了這個議題呢我想是我們大新竹地區民眾非常關心的那我想我們這個全國有兩條沒有接一條就是我們台六八另外一條就是台七十六線唯二沒有銜接我們的國道系統 |
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因為這樣子,所以造成我們新竹地區的民眾上下班通勤的時候,或者是說新竹現在有很多我們的觀光客到新竹,到我們台山縣,或者新竹的五峰尖石,或者到我們的海邊,我們的新峰,那邊都很漂亮的海景。 |
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去新竹市的南寮去那邊來做旅遊但是很可惜的我們要藉由68號快速道路到這些景點都要先下平面交流道所以造成說我們上下我們的高速公路不管是國道1或者國道3 |
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都會造成湧射大量的車潮就造成湧射所以交流道常常我們在假日或者上下班的時段都是非常的湧射我想這個問題影響到我們整個國道一的竹北交流道新竹市的公道五交流道還有光復交流道國道三的竹東瓊林交流道都是常常造成嚴重的回堵及湧射 |
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不僅塗增我們車程的時間,更導致長期嚴重的永設回堵的問題。大新竹地區的民眾,不僅是民眾,還包含竹科的廠商,常常跟本席建議,請中央盡速的規劃來設計施工。 |
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院長這是民眾因應的期盼所以本席請院長可不可以在這裡承諾這個台六八快速道路這一次我們利用羊頭高架的一個施工在明年就要這個動工了嘛可不可以請院長承諾一定務必要把台六八來銜接我們的國道一號謝謝委員我們去年一整年我就一直跟 |
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陳世凱部長在提新竹地區的高速公路的系統常常的塞車那麼一定要想辦法來解決所以現在有這個高價的規劃但要相當長的一段時間但我覺得不只是這條高速公路要把它規劃好周遭的 |
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連接系統如果沒有一併的處理的話那它的功效還是有限的那部長日前跟委員看過68號道路的現場的會刊了解這事情狀況部長會很清楚我覺得我們朝這個方向整體的把它連接系統給它做好這才是整個解決交通問題 |
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應該有的態度跟做法這個問題已經延宕很久了我從這個五年前2020我上任立委我就一直要求從蘇院長到歷任交通部長一直要求這個案子一定要做規劃設計就台六八一定要銜接我們的國道系統把這個過去的一個疏漏這一次把它補上去 |
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但是我比較遺憾的是說在這次的考察我們在整個的高工局的一個簡報當中都沒有辦法跟本席很明確的做一個表示就是說一定會做因為我記得蘇院長在大概是2022年的時候到新竹地區考察交通建設蘇院長就告訴我也多次站在我的對面告訴我說 |
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一定會責成我們的交通部不管任何的困難不管任何技術上的困難或者任何的經費上的問題他都會全力支持所以我今天本席再次的請院長給新竹地區的民眾一個承諾到底台六八這一次可不可以我們利用我們羊頭高架的施工一併把它完成規劃施工 |
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院長願不願意承諾謝謝委員既然這個高架的未來是解決整個新竹路段塞車問題的那我剛剛說連接系統部長也非常的清楚他已經朝這個方向在走克服一些目前看得到的技術上的困難包括跟水利署啦等等在橋墩落墩的這個技術上的困難這個困難 |
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一定要把它克服這是這條路我們一定會把它做出來一定要做出來嘛不管是工程技術上的困難或者經費上面的資源我們未來行政院 交通部 部長您也在這裡是不是再次的跟我們新竹地區的民眾來做一個承諾一定會把這一次把這個路網把它補上去 |
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那麼多年了我們知道大新竹地區高科技產業的一個聚落未來又有我們所謂的大矽谷的一個計畫如果東西向橫向的東西向快速道路沒有銜接我們的高速公路你想那個未來造成我們平面的交流道它的一個交通的湧射是多嚴重的問題這是一個很長遠之計我們不能看短期 |
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因為我看到一個就是當時的一個報告講說未來的本益比好像很低 |
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很低啊 我不曉得是如何做出這樣的一個評估報告我們如果為大新竹地區的發展的話這個考慮絕對不是這樣的結果我今天就要告訴院長這個本益比說那麼低我覺得這個可能是在辦公室裡面做出的報告你去現場看啊你如果長期觀察以及聆聽在地民眾的心聲怎麼本益比會低呢這真的是要馬上去做現在不做以後就會後悔那個經費會無限的膨脹啊 |
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我也要謝謝陳世凱部長我們去年端午節去看到新竹地段高速公路國一的永篩情形我說我不忍心再看到不應該讓它長期間的存在所以他花了很長的時間他已經把他的整個高速道路已經規劃出來了所以整個系統性的要完成我想這個因為在年底評估報告就會做出來 |
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我是要拜託院長為大新竹地區的民眾來請命無論如何不管什麼樣的一個困難技術上的困難水文的問題或者經費上的問題都請行政院要大力支持也請委員一起來支持謝謝 |
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另外一個議題就是有關大新竹輕軌的問題像新竹輕軌計畫從1989年首次提出來以後經歷多次的規劃與調整目前已經納入中央桃竹苗大細股計畫的軌道建設的項目 |
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現在過了36年了截至今年最近在2025年的4月新竹輕軌計畫仍處於規劃與整合階段尚未進入實質的施工目前新竹市政府已經完成紅線的可行性研究 |
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去年的6月7日,新竹縣政府也公布已完成紅線的可行性研究,自110年11月啟動的新竹縣大眾捷運系統整體網路評估計畫以及新竹縣藍線可行線的一個評估案, |
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其中整體網路評估計畫案已經送到鐵道局審議另外新竹南線的可行性研究案也進入期末報告的期程中等可行性研究規劃後將再送到中央審議預計在2025年的第一季完成並提交通部來審查 |
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所以我在這邊要請問院長部長目前綜合規劃報告上代我們中央核定這個大新竹地區的鄉親已經等了36年了行政院以及交通部是否可以協助新竹縣市大新竹地區來把這個大新竹輕軌捷運計畫來把它完成 |
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報告委員大新竹的輕軌計畫目前還在可行性研究的階段那目前他的這個前置作業招標的前置作業正在做他有4600萬的預算希望中央來補助那我們也很感謝說新竹市政府承接了這個案子因為過去是新竹市跟新竹縣各做各的他們現在把它整合起來 |
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現在4600萬的預算我們正在審議當中我們一定會幫忙就是在可行性評估的預算我們一定會幫忙如果可行性研究做出來之後整個路廊才會比較大致上清楚才會進入綜合規劃的階段所以這個部分我們還是持續在推動 |
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那我們也會督促地方政府也是新竹市政府跟新竹縣政府大家趕快合作我們既然已經實質這一次補助了四千六百萬作為一個這個規劃費那我想我們在星期一的時候我們也很高興聽到我們這個高鐵西側未來又有三鐵共購要整個 |
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把輕軌還有台鐵還有我們高鐵在新竹地區做一個供購的一個計畫那未來地下也是往朝地下車流來進行未來整個地下室的停車位汽機車的停車位接送區都會在這個山鐵供購的車站的下面來讓民眾更便利不用這個風吹雨曬的在這個地面城來接送我們的旅客 |
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所以這個大新竹輕軌捷運計畫就攸關這個山鐵供購這個案子的期程所以我要拜託交通部對於這個我們未來新竹市提出整個計畫案的時候能夠也盡速的給它核定不能再拖了就像我剛才講的因為你拖越久那個經費會越高 |
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就好像羊頭高價我2020的時候跟部長報告只要700多億現在要1300多億所以每拖一段時間那個整個物料的上漲還有我們這個 |
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施工的費用都會不斷的上漲所以要盡速的來協助讓我們新竹地區的交通網能夠來能夠把它建構起來啦這個都是我們大新竹地區民眾的一個期待所以請院長也務必要支持這個案子好不好 |
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好的 謝謝那剩下38秒 林長我來再請命一個科技大橋就我們新竹縣政府因台資園區的開發還有我們竹科三級的交通需求提出了跨越頭前溪的科技大橋計畫最近也已經舉辦完可行性的地方研究的一個說明會 |
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那未來我們預計總經費要32.3億預估整個供需要1320天所以請交通部對這個科技大橋這個案子也給我們全力支持好不好這個是竹科往來 請新政府就這個生活圈的計畫道路提出申請這個部分我們來想辦法 也要全力支持好不好謝謝林士明委員的資訊 謝謝卓院長交通部的備詢 |
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接下來我們請蘇巧慧委員質詢林俊憲委員請準備好 謝謝院長 我們請卓院長跟陳部長麻煩再請卓院長交通部備詢 |
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院長好 部長好院長 部長我今天想要先跟您談談4月24號的時候行政院送進立法院的因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全任性特別條例我想今天這個特別條例已經順利排入議程 |
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最順利的話是下週可以進入到各委員會去審議那現在還差一關我們也很希望等一下民眾黨團也可以跟國民黨團一樣遷出不復議那我想特別條例就可以正式趕快加速來進行審查我想院長應該覺得這是很重要的條例吧 |
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非常感謝蘇委員也非常感謝大院我方才坐在位置上聽到韓院長念出那個條例現場大家都支持沒有任何意見我覺得非常的欣慰我們需要行政立法兩院一起來合作這個速度才能更快沒錯 |
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如果今天可以簽出不復議的話我們就可以加快兩個禮拜從下個禮拜就可以開始所以我們都很期待啊那我想這個特別條例院長部長已經也都很清楚其實它的重點就是支持產業安定就業照顧民生強化國土韌性這四大方向沒有問題嘛那可是部長 |
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還有院長我想先問部長好了部長請問一下這個特別條例喔如果我們單就文字這樣來看的話你有注意到涉及了哪些部會嗎或者我更具體的來問在這特別條例裡面有交通部嗎你交通部要負擔什麼責任呢報告委員目前沒有涉及到交通部的 |
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是啊為什麼會沒有涉及到呢如果你從支持產業安定就業還有照顧民生強化國土任性這幾個方向都跟你交通部沒有關係嗎你當時沒有爭取嗎 |
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報告委員其實對於交通的整體的影響我們跟各方面的業者包含航空的業者跟船運的業者那另外就是觀光的業者我們分別辦座談會去理解大家現在所面臨到的狀況那我們也正在盤整就是說它有兩個可能性例如說以航運來說或空運來說它有可能突然空下來或突然停下來但它也有可能有極端的效應突然滿出來或很擠 |
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也是有這個狀況所以我們目前正在做兩套的你自己就提到了相當多的產業其實我相信也會跟現在的國際局勢會有所連動那今天我特別就其中的一個我很關心的產業就是觀光產業來跟你做討論那我們最後就會看這個特別條例是不是應該多加一點內容好 |
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我之前在質詢陳建仁院長的時候我就有說過台積電是我們的護國神山但台灣不只一座護國神山內容產業也可以是那我今天也特別想跟院長這邊再報告我認為其實觀光產業也可以是台灣的護國神山因為很清楚 |
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世界上越多人認識台灣甚至喜歡台灣對台灣就越安全院長你同意這句話嗎世界上很多國家也把觀光產業當作國家重大的政策在做發展是啊不只是重大政策以台灣特殊的狀況來講我真的覺得他可以變成護國神山你如果看到現在有多少國外外國的YouTuber來幫台灣拍片然後講述對台灣的感情這真的是很重要而且是很好的對台灣的保護啊 |
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我們來看現在日本我相信大家這段時間最常去的就是日本了日本現在正在舉行大型的活動就是大阪市博部長有沒有調查過大阪市博它現在舉行了兩個禮拜了它的參觀人次來到了多少超過一百萬了我們台灣去年的觀光人次多少七百八十幾萬 |
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根據我對你這邊的數字785萬沒有錯所以部長 院長大阪的大型活動兩個禮拜就達到了我們的六分之一的旅客人次這樣來看大型的國際活動其實應該相當重要嘛沒有問題嘛對不對好那我們就看啊為什麼去年785萬的觀光人次算有達標嗎其實沒有因為你設定的是1000萬 |
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可是我們再回推你的前年其實只設定600萬你是雄心壯志一年之間你調升400萬我想請在這裡備詢台上院長 部長當時為什麼從600萬把目標人次調升成1000萬那我們現在做到了785萬你是滿意還是不滿意 |
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我先向委員回答因為疫後的狀況大家都清楚所以我們降低了但是其實前年的六百萬到去年我們推估一千萬如果不是遇到那麼多的颱風地震我想台灣應該成績會更好一點這是一個外在的因素 |
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你真的很了解我們的一千萬確實是把台灣這幾年的最高峰就是2019年的人數的目標值啦已經達成值拿出來就是一千萬嘛確實是最高峰所以我們期待是要恢復嘛對不對那可是遇到了地震颱風 |
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還有啦 其實有一個啦 日元啦 日幣貶值啦所以日本的觀光客大幅下降但我發現其中有一個是大幅成長 就是東南亞的旅客嘛所以你一定是做對了什麼所以東南亞旅客大幅成長部長 你做對了什麼 你自己知道嗎 你們有檢討嗎其實我們在東南亞的這個宣傳啊包括您剛剛所說的一些YouTuber的宣傳其實觀光署做了非常的多 |
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另外可能台灣整體社會對於東南亞的民眾來說是一個可親近的地方所以大家很願意來台灣 |
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我個人就是用這個例子想跟部長和院長同步來討論我認為國家的政策還是對我們的國家發展會有很大的影響包括觀光政策其實你回去檢視交通部的觀光政策裡面在這段時間我們不但是宣傳有做沒有做可是很實際的你推動了穆斯林友善政策這個部分呢很現實的你補助了他什麼呢你補助了他如果你去取得清真 |
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認證標章那你就有補助經費你的旅館如果改造成為穆斯林友善旅館認證者也可以有補助我覺得這是非常明顯的政策引導方向改善了基礎建設之後那你去做宣傳的時候人家來了才會真的覺得說在這裡不錯啊 |
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對不對這是一個循環的狀況你要先把自己做到位做到標準那後面人家來了才會留的住客回頭客也才會來這個邏輯很清楚而且很簡單嘛所以我們看到所有的觀光政策裡面就是你只要有政策下去引導的而且引導是方向對到位的其實成效就立刻可以顯現出來 |
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那另外呢再跟你進一步分析的話是在所有的穆斯林遊客裡面其實會更清楚的看到台北高雄甚至桃園這三個城市裡面因為他有配套旅遊組配套旅遊組所以他吸引的來客數是更多的這分析到這裡部長跟院長認同嗎是 |
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我覺得我們從完善國內的觀光資源包括交通、旅宿還有飲食然後讓每個城市都有傳說讓每個田野它都有故事這樣才能吸引另外就是加強國際的宣導像5月15號我們在荷蘭的阿姆斯特丹觀光署就會成立一個旅遊服務中心就跟過去奧運期間在巴黎成立的一樣它應該會讓歐洲的 |
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這是宣傳的部分嘛我看到現在觀光署大部分的資源都是在做宣傳的部分嘛那國內我們要加強各種合作跟補助剛剛委員所說的這個就是一個補助這個直接有效這個直接有效所以就推回來我們之前我一開始開宗明義在說當你的特別條例裡面要做各種民生產業等等的發展的時候是不是也能夠把這一類的產業也就是增加台灣軟實力的這部分也放在對產業促進 |
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是有效度的裡面我不知道你要開在哪裡這個計畫是怎麼樣但我今天提出這樣的概念就是第一我們的國家軟實力也應該放在振興的產業裡面在這次的特別條例裡面或許也可以再加注放入第二是很明顯的你看得出來如果有政策引導而且就觀光產業來講 |
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是當他有全套式計畫的這一種計畫的時候其實他會比單點的效果好非常多我現在看我今天早上還特別再次去看交通部觀光署的網站啊觀光署對啦他很認真在宣傳也做了很多我們也是要給予肯定可是比如說好了他現在大推的一個亮點台灣100的計畫 |
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那就是點啊那比如說我新北市裡面我看到了什麼我的新北市裡面他一共給我六個一百分之六六個亮點是我的九份漁人碼頭平溪草嶺古道深澳鐵道還有陶瓷老街我分到了一百分之六分完了之後然後勒 |
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好像也沒有啊所以我有因為這個東西有配套計畫你有鼓勵我提出配套計畫嗎然後我就可以得到補助嗎還是是後面你會自己幫我設計規劃嗎好像都沒有啊 |
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那這就是我今天在這裡除了剛剛特別條例我認為應該要放進去也對觀光產業這一類的軟實力有補助之外那交通部你能不能開這種鼓勵整套計畫的大計畫大政策 |
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報告委員我覺得你這個說法非常的合理而且也是應該要做的因為其實現在的旅遊的習慣你提供一個套裝行程給他例如說一日遊怎麼走兩日遊怎麼走三日遊怎麼走這樣子套裝行程的產品其實非常的受歡迎我不是只是說當地旅遊Tour兩天三天我是包括你的在地交通建設基礎建設這個城市 |
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對 這個縣市政府如果能夠提出這種整套提升該地 該鄉鎮的計畫我覺得交通部就應該要大力補助啊剛剛前一個委員在講這個道路交通建設這種 我就這個道路建設 交流道等等啊這個車站 執行 行政院 執行交通部已經太多次了我們也爭取過太多我今天是在講 除了基礎建設它配套的相關讓 |
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這個通勤變成旅客就像白沙屯嘛人家不是說讓鄉客變成遊客這樣的整體概念交通部是不是能夠有這樣的思維下去提出整套的政策報告委員您所提到的我們來研究怎麼做做得更細緻但是您所說的這個地方政府跟交通跟觀光相關的一些補助或者基礎建設這些我們其實也都有在做也都有在補助 |
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但是沒有整體化我必須要坦白說因為有時候地方政府他的思考沒有這麼整體化有時候是單點的那我們來協助他們用整套的思考部長我就是要你這句話你應該中央要來協助各地方縣市政府因為不是每個縣市政府的能量能力或者態度是一樣均等的可是你在這裡你已經看到只要有做有態度的就會提升嘛 |
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所以看是棒子還是胡蘿蔔引導指引還是任何的方式我是覺得中央可以負擔的是這個部分三點跟委員報告第一個特別條例這是兩大塊一個是因應美國關稅一個是因應經濟成長所以這兩塊看 |
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裡面確實是委員提醒的我們沒有把交通部放在裡面但是交通部剛剛委員所提到的亮點100的這個計畫已經有相關的經費在支應第三個未來它如果發展更多元的觀光比如台灣成為遊輪的重鎮台灣成為外國來台灣的一個觀光我們更多的計畫我們在需要的情況之下如果需要我可以動用第二預備金來支應觀光事業 |
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好 謝謝院長的承諾那這個是交通部由行政院交通部可以直接處理的部分那另外呢就剩下兩分半的時間我也在就同樣觀光產業的發展方向跟院長說明討論 |
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就是接下來的部分可能牽涉到是跨部會的部分啦跨部會的部分就像如同剛剛在討論的宣傳的部分其實觀光署啦真的有用心我要再次的說有啦他們真的有用心要在世界各地打出宣傳可是 |
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部長你世代跟我一樣啊你很清楚現在最有效的形象是什麼影視音的行銷嘛就是城市斜拍讓所有的影視音作品可以直接在該地像現在最新的我們助理大家都在看日本戀愛綜藝節目離線找真愛對不對然後苦盡甘來遇見你這每一部甚至黑白大廚 |
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播出以後 多少人去照暗圖 鎖記 找餐 餐廳吃飯所以 城市協拍讓自己的國家 城市出現在好的影視音作品這是大家覺得現在最有效的行銷方法這沒有問題嘛好 那我們回過頭來看你 |
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交通部的觀光的部分和文化部合作多少我覺得這個可能就是需要院長院長您在這方面一向是非常非常的敏銳也許未來可以在這兩個部會的協助的部分跨部會您可以多看一下啦這個是我請求院長的部分應該沒有問題吧 |
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是 我剛剛說過城市必須有傳說 田野必須有故事像這個如果把它拍成電影 拍成戲劇的話就會吸引很多的影迷過來看看實地情況好 那部長文化部 觀光部 其他部位的合作會造成我們觀光產業跟文化產業同步的發展 |
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好可是院長有一個部分那請你因為不是交通部的啦所以我這特別說一下在這個跟院長說一下有一個癥結點喔是我們現在在做國際製作的團隊協拍的時候台灣政府補助的額度在台灣製作的總支出百分之三十並以新台幣三千元為上限這是其他很多國家都沒有的上限我認為這個規定 |
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其實可以考慮隨著時代調整一下把上限取消 百分比可以保留 上限取消我相信會吸引更多的國際團隊到台灣來拍攝製作這個請院長討論看看院長可以嗎拍攝一部好的產品 影片一直是我對台灣未來的想像沒有錯 我們都知道好 那就謝謝院長 謝謝部長 謝謝好 謝謝蘇喬惠委員的資訊謝謝卓院長 交通部的備詢 謝謝 |
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接下來我們請林俊憲委員 指詢王逸川委員請準備謝謝主席 本席邀請我們行政院卓院長交通部陳部長林委員好 院長好 |
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院長本期今天要跟您建議其實我們投資或者改善交通CP值最高民眾最有感那不一定需要很大的交通建設那需要龐大的經費和時間但有些民眾已經反映很久的不合理的狀況我們要把它改掉交通部當然行政部沒有他的立場或者是官僚有時候 |
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在執行上會產生一些困難我舉個例子啦這是一台所謂的歸宿車在高速公路上它佔用了內車道內車道原本應該是超車道嘛你自己會開車啦會不過你現在當院長當然也沒時間開車啦常常趕車啦趕時間趕時間也會嗎?自己開車?沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有 |
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那內車道就出現一台歸宿車,那右邊紅單是一個警察貼出來他說他在內車道,他行駛過慢,所以把他開了一張單子不一定開慢就是好,我們常常說塞加班的比較安全,那你要看什麼狀況 |
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這個在佔用內車道而且行駛過慢被開單這個警察一貼出來一下子四萬多個站就一張紅單就好了四萬多個站也就是說這種沒有在超車的時候你去佔用內車道內車道就是所謂超車道或者是你在超車道行駛過慢這種狀況這民眾是怨聲載道你知道這種狀況嗎保長你知道嗎知道 |
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那這種狀況有沒有很嚴重 我就給你看在快速公路 這幾年的取締件數 增加了百分之一百二十二就是行駛過慢 占用那一側超車道 成長了一倍多那在高速公路 也成長了八趴多那實際上更嚴重 為什麼 |
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因為國道警察局跟我說他取締有困難那這樣回來因為你如果內車車道被佔用第一個有需要超車的車輛他也沒辦法超車所以有些車輛被迫在那邊鑽來鑽去博長你有去這裡嗎我時常開車你應該自己會開車啦這種內車道被佔用的狀況你把它改善民眾就會很有感你知道這種狀況嗎 |
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那一個國道警察公他很難取締第二個就是只有警察可以取締這個民眾沒有辦法檢舉第三個就是我們有一個法條其實是不合理他說你小型車可以用最高的速限行駛在內車道這不對啦 其實內車道是要給超車用的你是國外開車 |
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國外的車子為什麼比較順暢呢第一個他沒有超車他不會開到內車的超車道來第二個他超完車道他就會回去我們台灣不會這樣啦還是說你如果在外國你開車你阿伯有車來他一發現後面那台車比你速度快他趕快內車道他就會讓我們這裡不是啦我們這裡內車道一佔用他也不會讓給後面的要需要超車的人 |
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所以說到消耗感,你這個內車道管理不好,是一個很重要的原因。就是說超車道經常被佔用,或者是行駛過慢,或者說很容易,這是一個很主要的原因。部長您的看法呢? |
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使用權跟速度限制要分開 |
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你現在這個 我把你規則調給你了 交通規則條例第八條第三款他沒有把這兩個分開啦我所謂的使用權就是你要給要超車的人超車第二個 速度限制不要認為說 我的速限100 我的軌跡100我就可以在這台車上這樣一直開沒有這種概念啦 |
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在國外的交通規則它這兩個是分開的啦因為你有時候超車那一瞬間你的速度必須要稍微快一點所以重點就是說內車道 超車道只有超車才能使用擦完車你就要回來這個跟國人駕駛的習慣可能有很大的落差這個部分我們來研議看看因為你沒有在取締啦因為國道檢查跟我講他很難取締啦 |
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唯一有在嚴格取締的只有雪山隧道對 雪山隧道他用科技執法他用科技執法那國道為什麼沒有用科技執法他現在高工太長了但是高工具怎麼處理啊採白鴨啦他每一兩公里就採一個白鴨寫的內車道圍超車道 專用道德勸說你採的白鴨採到多大也沒用 |
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你還要問他們一共立了多少牌子南下北上我才幾千塊 這沒用啦那你再注意看 大客車的管理就非常好大車 我跟你們講 硬釣車什麼的大車要塞最外車道嘛 大車啦那大車要怎麼撤車 大車要撤車開來中間的車道那超販車 大車一定遭到 |
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因為大車不可以佔用中間這個車道只有超車才可以用大車都很乖為什麼 因為取締有一陣的嚴格取締而且大車大車的駕駛都有這樣的一個習慣而且大車通常都是營業車啦人家知道開端的很難啦都吃透了 人這麼多所以你注意看喔我們大車的超車道管理得很好 |
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開車習慣也不錯,他都要洗手間如果要車子要洗禮拜中,車子要有勤勞只有小車啦,就會造成這個交通上的一個,用路人也痛苦啦那經常性喔,這個會後悔太多啦,這是一個問題啦我希望你高速公路的管理,你只要把小車的內車道管理好可以跟大車管理的一樣好 |
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你就很有掌聲了啦那每天一天有多少車你總有駕駛廣路 總有快速快速到路快速大陸的因為戰用超車道你看那這幾年的被被舉發案件成長了一倍多呢 百分之一百二十二這個狀況非常嚴重 還有一件事喔我問印度常客啦 印度常客我沒有在你電台質詢過 |
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我們現在的修法,那時候因為台灣被供奉行人地域,2023年了,所以高隆坡走到,開始大家去修法,立法院開始修法,把那個嚴重超速,原本是超過60公里,變嚴重超速,改成40,超過40就算嚴重超速,要衝什麼?把你拔車牌,這個很可怕喔, |
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我以前就跟你說了然後呢這個在行政院的公共政策平台喔我覺得今年今年有六千多個民眾去連署所以你應該要恢復整個規定啦繳收六十才算嚴重繳收當時交通部主委回答你知道嗎?伯娘你如果在後面寫 |
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交通部當然拒絕啦他會拒絕理由在後面寫 他寫說還沒修完之前 一個月平均一萬兩千六百四十斤我就假設你比喻啦 他這個亂寫啦各位看喔 在沒有實施疫情喔111年 110年 那一年啦就說你籌收有籌過六十齁 都差不多萬幾斤啦一個月都錢幾斤啦但是你開始改 你改做籌 數四十就變嚴重超出齁 |
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你看看2023年,2023年只有半年喔它下半年才改喔就六萬兩千多件了2024年切盤四成幾件那這產生兩個問題,我要請教是台灣人開車的人愛違規,愛超速還是你這個速限改這樣子有不合理的地方?你都記不記得嗎?現在人都沒有記憶嗎?那為什麼60的時候一個月一千多件呢?啊你現在 |
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改造超過4站 暴增啦 結果會變成六千間 暴增的5倍多為什麼 因為有幾個問題啦 你有很多速限是不合理的還有這個規定也不合理 我去年質詢我就跟你講 你政府要改4站也可以啦 |
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你會先檢討你的速限合不合理那誰在訂速限中央政府跟地方政府都有啦看你的道路管轄權是什麼那公務員不知道是保守還是怎樣喔都訂越多 像那訂越多越好所以我們現在還有訂四樓五樓的那實際上普通有開車嘛 印度沒有啊你如果開車 速限四五樓你怎麼開 |
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那有的地方 你說它本來是兩車道 速限50它後來拓寬了 變三車道 四車道 速限50一大堆啦那怎麼辦我再給你們看一下啦那速限定低會不會比較安全不一定啦我用台北市做的啦全台各縣市我都給它調足了台北市喔 |
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很高超速的路段你看在你的左邊水源快速道路要開始了十大容易超速嚴重超速的因為超過了超速的在左邊那十大造勢路段沒有重疊最容易超速的地方跟最容易造勢的地方不一樣那很可能就是你的樹線有問題 |
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你要看,台北市前十大會發生車禍的路口,速限都五十怎麼都五十而已,五十很快啦,還是會發生車禍,而且很危險啦所以有時候,你所謂的行車安全,不是只有速限啦有可能是你的路口,危險路口的設計啦,標線啦 |
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你要改良嘛但你當時我還質詢部長你就說中央跟地方要去檢討速限有做嗎你有沒有做 |
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報告員基本上這個速限是道路設計它有一個規範大部分是照那個規範在走但是每一個地方確實都是可以檢討的委員在講的是說整體應該要下去檢討那我們也可以去跟地方政府一起來盤點一起來檢討那現在民眾其實可以很方便的透過一些交通的信箱或者是我們交通部的信箱只要來反應我們就會去檢討跟地方政府一起來討論 |
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第一個 我再回到剛剛行政院公共政策平台 民眾去留言民眾留言喔 交通部第一個理由是說我把嚴重超速由40改60以後超速的件數有降低 這個胡說八道你看看 越來越多越來越多 要不然改進程 一個月撐幾天改了 一個月變成多少千件而且2024年比2023年 增加更多啦第二 交通部的理由 |
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如果你們覺得事件不合理,那交通部有答應說要檢討,你們自己寫,這不是我講的確實你們要檢討,但是你們回覆這個民眾的陳情料,我都沒跟你說 |
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那你就要坐嘛我經常跟交通單位說一個路段如果經常有超速我們要檢討的不是駕駛人而已是不是我們標示不夠清楚或者這個地方我們應該適度的開放讓他能夠交通順暢同樣一個地方如果經常有人違規左轉 |
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也不能光只是檢討駕駛人是不是我們這個地方需要違規阻斷人太多而且我們沒有可供迴轉的路線的設計讓他們不得不冒這個險所以我就覺得請交通部還是要檢討一下目前提高合理的來檢討或是提高一些速限如果對於整個交通順暢有幫助沒有影響到剛剛肇事跟超速不一定成正比的這種關係來看我覺得有檢討的空間 |
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謝謝院長,所以院長現在開始有概念了,其實交通管理它有三個步驟,所謂三個E,ABCD的E,第一個就是工程,就是你的標線路口設計,還有樹線,要境外做的,境外先自己做就好,第二個教育,education,就是說你駕駛人要自己守規則,第三個才是執法,enforcement, |
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如果這樣我才來罰你啊 要這樣才對啦所以你後來會造成啊 很多人車牌用爆了我來比較一下那個車牌數啊就是說 自從你開始實施40變為60以後你看嚴重超數啊你看這個就是他車牌數啦一年一爆 七萬幾的車牌他這個一超過 車牌就要被拿掉 |
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扣半年好 謝謝林俊憲委質詢謝謝卓院長 交通部長備詢 謝謝現在議場二樓旁聽的來自台北市慈善協會的好朋友專門幫助弱勢團體我們掌聲歡迎大家進入立法院 |
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接下來我們請王逸川委員質詢 蔡奕宇委員請準備謝謝院長 我們請卓院長跟交通部陳部長麻煩再請卓院長 交通部長備詢 |
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黃委員好院長 部長辛苦了今天我的質詢最主要是競選期間我們曾經提出了交通三件那也經過一年多了所以需要跟院長跟部長來溝通一下目前的進度國人很關心機車騎AutoBike我相信院長跟部長年輕的時候也都騎過AutoBike院長有嗎 |
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部長有啦我現在還是每個禮拜騎摩托車載小孩那你騎摩托車的時候你也會遇到要兩段式左轉的路口嗎有 很多那你有沒有都轉得很自然 |
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轉得很自然很自然就是到比較大的路口你不管他有沒有叫你兩段式左轉你就會很自然的兩段式左轉我蠻習慣兩段式左轉因為我都在小孩這個一般都是因為我們的規定這樣所以長期來你就很習慣兩段式左轉那我就要跟兩位先討論的第一個題目是關於兩段式左轉 |
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那因為兩段式左轉這個發展大概到現在應該30年了台灣推兩段式左轉那推了之後從原來的事辦到後來現在全面的做各縣市政府都在做開始走料就出了很多問題第一個各位看這張圖這是一個蠻常見的一個單向一車道的路口單向一車道 |
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那我們的縣市政府因為當時推兩段式左轉我們縣市政府就會在這種路口也叫人家兩段式左轉部長你有沒有遇過這種比較少比較少如果是單向一車道大部分都是可以直接轉直接左轉嘛所以這種交通部要給一個指引這種人如果叫人家兩段式左轉都給他取消給個指引啦也許這個地方有特別的各縣市的交通局希望這裡還是兩段式左轉 |
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那是原則上就是這一種應該先廢掉這是第一個那第二個啊如果啊單向有兩個車道兩個車道那現在當然有人說單向兩個車道左轉就好啊左轉的靠左右 轉的靠右嘛那可是還是有一些人啊 因為他已經騎久了伯父伯母他就覺得說這個兩段式左轉比較安全啊所以這一種啊 |
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這個兩段式左轉的待轉區啊 我建議還是保留那至於他要不要兩段式左轉 就他自己決定他認為說 我的左轉方便 我的左轉 我要兩段式左轉 你的嫁也留給我我去兩段式左轉 部長這個你贊成嗎 |
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報告員我不但贊成我在兩三個月前有邀集六都的交通首長到交通部裡面開會針對單向兩車道的一定要維持給機車可以通行基本要維持兩車道也就是說你所畫的兩個車道應該都是機車可以通行的時候他就可以直接左轉 |
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那帶轉區繼續可以維持但是不強制我已經跟他們開過會也希望他們能夠朝這個方向下去推行好 那我建議部長這個既然有開會嘛給個指引 給國人知道然後讓這些縣市交通局啊在下次做路口改善的時候啊那算要定位的時候啊 就用得好啦這才不會有執法上的困擾第三種是這種 這種現在是比較麻煩啦單向有三個車道 |
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四個車道這個很多人主張說啊嗯?啊你就要左轉就靠左嘛你機車要左轉你就塞在最裡面啊啊你要右轉你就塞在最後面啊你要直轉就走到中間啊這聽起來是合理的喔可是為什麼我們長期來說我們都希望機車騎在右邊院長你知道這個邏輯嗎所以比較慢車好 重點就這句話誰說機車比較慢現在有重機就很快好 院長你有對著攝帶喔 |
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台灣做汽機車混合車流研究啊 因為都是用美國的你們交通部很多幕僚在後面 欸 他們坐的車都是用美國的美國的邏輯很簡單 以小汽車為主把三台機車當成一台汽車在管理台灣不一樣 台灣機車的數量比汽車多所以我們做交通管理的時候 長期都以汽車的角度在做交通管理 |
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這個研究大概在二十年前 三十年前那個時候做完混合車流研究 機車車流研究到現在都沒有當時包括機車的左轉管制方式 機車車流我建議交通部趕快請運營所針對國內目前 |
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這個機車的技術啊 機車的速度 機車的性能在這一二十年已經有很重大的改變了所以機車這部長你知道嗎 機車在繁忙的都市裡頭啊它的速度是比汽車快所以不能把它當慢車 |
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就是說你不能用這樣來做區別騎的比較慢的 騎右邊 這個邏輯是對的就剛剛林俊憲委員講的你要超車你是比較快 所以你要往左邊超嘛 對不對 這個是對的可是用車種來做這個區分 到現在 這不通所以這個基礎研究要趕快再進行這個研究沒有做 後面做的這些交通管理的手段啊基本上都會失準啊所以這一塊 請這個交通部來做第二個 |
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區間測速這個跟林俊憲委員剛剛提的題目差不多我不懂這個為什麼要做區間測速我建議區間測速就全面取消為什麼呢剛剛講這個樹線對不對我們一條道路的設計道路的設計有一個叫設計速率每一個土木工程師在設計道路的時候都有一個設計速率譬如說我設計這一條路我是用每小時90公里設計的 |
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我設計這條是每小時50公里設計的遇到樹曲線的時候就是這個上下坡這個樹曲線的時候我可能會把那個速度設計速度變快或者變慢或者遇到彎道的時候我的設計速度會變慢設計速度才會影響樹線樹線不是用畫的啦樹線跟土木工程師原來的設計有關因為我們的道路線型的關係 |
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所以我們要做的這一個速限是針對限點的速率就是那一個點英文叫spaspeak就是限點速率是那一個點必須讓它降到多少它開過去才安全可是我們現在用這種區間測速我相信你們在跟民眾溝通座談 |
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這大樓 早期是萬里那邊有一個隧道在用 大家先不要吃現在這台三線嘛 常常這個啦 北宜啦 坪林的北宜啦 有這種的就說 這個國中理化在搞的嘛 要有一個距離嘛 要有一個距離然後我的樹線 假如這一段樹線50嘛 距離除以每一小時50公里算完應該是幾秒 幾分才能通過嘛 結果你的時間變太短 你就是超速嘛 邏輯上是這樣 |
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問題是我們要處理的是驛照室的那一個點不是驛照室的這幾公里不會這幾公里都驛照室是這個轉彎驛照室這個上下驛照室所以都會發生這種亂象因為他怕說他開太快所以路邊下五分鐘下三分鐘那代表什麼代表他前面騎很快前面開很快前面就很有可能發生車禍所以這一個 |
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我具體主張請交通部再去研究啦就是說我們做一般的路邊的測速照相做這些基本上大概都是為了解決那一個點因為坡度的關係因為轉彎的關係必須讓它降下來然後要求它降下來達到讓它減速的目的好不好這個就請交通部 |
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這個回去再請一些專家學者討論一下第三個 科技執法科技執法是我們智慧運輸的一部分可是現在的科技執法因為要拼業績啦拼業績就是說 我台中市啊智慧運輸發展得多好啊 科技執法一百處新北宮 我有一百五十處啊台北宮什麼一百五十處 我兩百處咧 我比你還多就亂弄啦為什麼要科技執法 是為了補警力的不足 |
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那補警力的不足資源也有限你在什麼地方應該做科技執法我具體建議這三個地方再請交通部跟地方政府大家溝通一下不要亂設不要大家都要科技執法第一種公車站 |
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公車站你只要並排停車等於我們的小汽車只要停在公車站那一台公車就一定並排停車因為它靠不過來公車只要在第二個車道停車上下課的乘客就要穿越這台小汽車這個是危險的這種不能原諒這種小汽車就把科技執法機器就把它倒下去一停下去就把它科技執法 太可惡了你在公車站違規停車 這第一種第二種是這個並排停車 |
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並排停車也一樣,並排停車非常機車主嘛煞車不會有大堆後座,都下去第三種是人行道,我們現在有很多路上化這種,不停地看路上化那個綠色的人行道,那個是要給人走的嘛台北市做得很好,台北市化得非常的完整其他縣市有很多條貝域口,有很多位置車也停在上面 |
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大家去通報叫警察來去想 又造成民怨可是這明明是要給行人走的 劃出來的路線我建議這種就科技治法這個是行人優先要推動人本交通好不好這三個是希望交通部這個院長剛才說的一些理論也是很對的這個再督促一下交通部把這我剛提的這三件事情看能不能這一個協助來解決 院長可以嗎 |
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而且委員也是交通的專業也主持各地方的交通業務非常知道如何來讓一個交通的合理化、人性化我會請交通部朝這個方向繼續來研究給您最主要是交通部很久沒有做研究運燃所要加油啦一些新的車流理論重新盤點台灣我們剛剛所提三十年沒做的我們趕快來做第三個是宜蘭高鐵為什麼我特別 |
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因為宜蘭高鐵跟前幾天部長提到了西部高鐵東部快鐵提速計畫這件事情有很大的關鍵我們宜蘭的高鐵設立之後 |
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我具體建議一件事情這當然可能十年後的事情啦不過因為這牽扯到高鐵公司跟台鐵公司整個營運這個也要趕快啟動研究這個是可以純理論來進行研究就是讓宜蘭的高鐵站成為東西部轉運的最重要樞紐 |
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我們現在在東部 這個院長到東部去你也是坐太魯閣號或普悠瑪號去比較多嘛 到東部去太魯閣號跟普悠瑪號你知道現在會開到西部來嘛 對不對我具體建議啦 太魯閣號跟普悠瑪號 直走東部就走宜蘭 花蓮 台東跟屏東這個時候這一條路廊上的 |
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車次就會變多第二個採取跳蛙式的停靠如果宜蘭高鐵站設了之後從宜蘭高鐵站轉台鐵坐上普悠瑪號泰魯格號下一站就直達花蓮站再來就到台東站再來就到屏東站就跳蛙這個速度絕對可以達到部長啊東北快鐵沒辦法提速你如果跳蛙就提速啊 |
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第二個這個中間因為在花蓮跟台東還是有一些大站譬如說花蓮、南花蓮的玉里站好那這個就是間接性的這樣子停這個好處是什麼這種停法的好處可以解決基隆、汐止、南港還有宜蘭過來這條路廊上的區間車 |
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我們的太魯閣跟普悠瑪只要開進這個區間就是宜蘭到南港這個區間基隆、汐止到南港這個區間只要太魯閣、普悠瑪進到這個區間區間車都要等他啦你區間車的班次就會變少如果他沒有出現在這裡我們上下班通勤的區間車班次就會變多你就可以解決這個宜蘭這個基隆這一條河谷上面的交通問題解決汐止的交通問題 |
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也解決從宜蘭要通勤到南港進來南港進到台北這樣的一個課題所以我是建議交通部也要儘速的啟動把宜蘭站當成我們高鐵跟太魯閣普悠瑪重要的轉運節點一次把它解決有人說這又十年後的事現在在說這個就是十年後你現在才做啊如果明天就要通車明年就要通車你就不會有了 |
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院長你覺得這個邏輯可不可以討論一下東部的交通我們除了公路之外鐵路就是進行雙軌化的電氣化雙軌電氣化這個要緊迫來完成那麼在這完成之間還有一段時間如果委員剛剛的建議我覺得很好我們現在提升東部從班次的增加車廂等級的提升到委員所提出的是速度的加快我認為都是東部的鄉親所領迫切需要的我們去交通部來研究 |
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對營運者來說 對交通部來說 要的是那個速度啦對坐的人來說 不一樣啦 坐的人要的是時間啦就是說假設我現在從台東啊 要去花蓮玩台中啦 台中要去花蓮玩 我要怎麼坐車我的台中行坐到南港 坐到台北車站再換太魯閣埔 這樣我會浪費很多時間我如果高鐵坐到宜蘭宜蘭的下一站就是花蓮 那速度很快 |
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對東部的觀光會有很重大的影響那你到了花蓮之後,你再慢慢來啦到花蓮之後就開始漫遊經過花東縱谷,你又大開要做什麼你到了花蓮之後,就慢慢來,就開始做區間車我們花蓮什麼東里車站、新東里車站這些車站,玉里車站、玉里面,這整個 |
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好 謝謝王玉川委員的質詢謝謝卓院長 交通部長備詢 謝謝接下來我們請蔡易瑜委員請質詢許智傑委員請準備謝謝院長那我們是不是有請卓院長以及我們交通部 我們陳部長麻煩再請卓院長 交通部長備詢 |
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首先我先放一段影片給你看一下一些景觀影片播放一下影片雖然很短但是他是韓國這10年內 |
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他蓋了三個海上纜車那首先包括韓國松島的海上纜車韓國幕府的海上纜車跟韓國麗水的海上纜車松島這個海上纜車在2017年幕府在2019年那麗水咧 早一點 2014年 |
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那他們都是在海上攔車他們除了說島對島的對接之外事實上他們也是要注重他們整體的一個景觀然後可以讓遊客很方便的可以從高空眺望差不多這個風景區最漂亮的地方那同樣的我這邊有列出來的你看在日本沖繩的宮古島 |
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它也有一個登山纜車這是在日本宮古島它是在2016年啟用的所以都是在10年內那最近呢再往後面拉日本的香根纜車在2002年它有再做一個更新這個是比較老的它主要是要跳望富士山所以它基本上它是看這個火山地形的那越南越南 |
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它在復國島2018年它啟用了一個目前的經濟紀錄就是目前世界上最長的跨海纜車那是從復國島的本島到它一個鄉島這樣的一個海山纜車然後你從這個畫面你看到這個海山纜車在行駛的時候下面有數以百計千計的船隻在移動 |
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哇 樹大就是美所以在坐這個海上纜車就會有一種 哇 這個旅遊然後會有一種很壯觀然後覺得來這裡不需此行的一個感覺好 那我們再看一下數據上的一個分析來 你看日本差不多有170條空中的一個纜車這樣代表的就是我剛講的這個香根可以看富士山的這個纜車韓國有41條纜車在營運中 |
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其中他們最近努力的在興建這個海上的一個纜車中國很多,中國這個數量也很多越南有26條觀光纜車再講一個歐洲的法國法國有50條觀光纜車那台灣呢?台灣就是5條貓纜、烏來纜車、九族文化村 |
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日月潭纜車跟遠雄海洋公園在花蓮這些每一個纜車都超過20年了 |
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所以表示說台灣在這20年來我們就少了發展觀光的比較大的一些野心明明台灣有很多漂亮的風景但是有很多很好的景是值得我們利用高空的眺望然後你坐在這個纜車內他就可以看到有這麼漂亮的一個地方結果台灣這20年來卻缺少了這樣興建纜車的一個計畫那我想先請教一下院長這是不是很可惜啊 |
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台灣這五條纜車我最近坐過的就是九族文化村九族文化村跟在地面走跟在纜車看完全是不同的景觀當然啊在高峰看的話你可以看得更遠一目了然可以看到那個視野是不一樣的我覺得每個國家纜車都成為觀光的一個重點很多人排隊等著搭乘這個纜車 |
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那台灣這幾條有的是地方政府有的是業者本身來發展的那未來是不是交通部有新的規劃或是委員的建議我們再來考量好 所以我現在這是七個頭那我們再回溯看一下這20年又發生了什麼事這20年我們嘉義在我們彰化縣我們前縣長的時候他有提出一個計畫就是阿里山纜車計畫他希望為阿里山達靠到本地 |
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本紀由就到阿里山,阿是另外一個維修道,有一個路線那這個也是希望說,因為本質上你要搭上阿里山在交通上就困難那過去都用小火車,不然就是直接塞車上去所以有一個纜車,然後你可以隨時空中去看阿里山,哇這不一樣所以當時這樣一個阿里山的一個纜車計畫,哇失敗了 |
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那失敗是什麼?說他自償率不夠經費高,自償率不夠然後第二個,他替代交通的功能太少了就是說他的車流量沒那麼多啦那時候就有人說車流量沒那麼多,因為車流量沒那麼多所以我就不需要再開三十幾億去開一個纜車然後來作為他替代交通的選擇當時就這樣,阿里山纜車計畫就無疾而終了各位朋友,時針 |
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這個是最早台灣要興建海上纜車的一個佈局雖然沒有把 實際在海上 可是它卻是一個港區的 跨港的它就是要從高雄港 從它的哈馬興要接到旗津的海洋公園 再把它接到八五大樓這個想像上也會很漂亮 |
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想像上很漂亮 結果卻因為有部分是國軍的土地那有部分的這個 革命團因為要跨港那你給那個村子在那照 他們有意見哇 又失敗了高雄這案也失敗了所以我們知道這20年來有這樣山區的纜車大家有去想到在海裡也有人去想到這兩案都失敗了所以我們就覺得說 哇 這樣很歐啊 |
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那我們現在我們也鍥而不捨我們現在嘉義縣還有兩個案第一個就是嘉義梅山我們現在希望咧因為梅山現在有太平雲梯 |
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那梅山,我們大家也知道他那個景觀很漂亮直接可以從太平雲梯那裡遠眺望,直接可以看到了澎湖甚至可以看到澎湖發火節的時候,他那個煙火在那裡啪如果這個能見度沒那麼多霧的時候,他一看就看得到他所以這個點子好,但是要去梅山太平雲梯,多辛苦啊 |
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你們有去過嗎 院長跟部長 你們可以去一座看看那裡有一個魔鬼36彎 連續36個髮夾彎這個如果有那個跑山的賽車手 我們是不推薦啦因為那個路真的是 連續36個髮夾彎 |
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所以我們現在的想法就是這樣如果我們可以從 |
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因為他的故郭中央就是現在的13樓的停車場然後直接把他拉到太平雲梯的服務中心這個他從海拔20公尺直接拉到海拔1000公尺第一個應該有符合交通部所講的他有替代交通的功能現在要站在那裡很辛苦第二個這裡的可以創造的觀光效益嚇死人啦 真的很多啊 |
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我想要跟人家保證我們這台三輪車的價位可以讓我們支持一下嗎報告委員交通部其實在112年有協助地方政府來針對這個意見這個想法來做現場的會刊也實地的勘查過這個東西也跟地方有初步交換過意見這個部分我會繼續來協助不過 |
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到底到最後要不要蓋成本多少我認為剛剛委員講的沒有錯不要只有思考交通的需求而已還要思考觀光的效益所以整體的自償率或者是一本筆等等的應該要把觀光也列進來 |
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那可行的這個程度就會比較高一點那不過這個部分還是以地方政府為主導其實我們台中我來自台中台中也曾經討論過大坑的纜車那個時候也是說希望由捷運到大坑那邊之後再由纜車接上去那這個也是到最後無疾而終我認為非常可惜那這個部分當然交通部的立場是一定協助地方那看地方需要什麼樣的協助我們一定會來幫忙 |
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還有另外一個是由我們布袋港務公司也就是我們這個韓港局港務公司所提出的計畫就是從布袋到東石布袋到東石來我們可以再放一個影片 |
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那這一段呢,基本上這是台灣之內最特別的地方因為我們布袋跟東石呢,大概就是全台灣,這企鵝啊最多,我們這裡都是蚵棚所以一望無際的蚵棚嘛所以我們也希望從布袋的第三漁港那可以拉一個海上纜車,直接接到東石的白水湖白水湖就是我剛剛看的這個景觀 |
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他的景觀他除了傳統的西洋然後有海洋之外呢剩下的就是他家的磕棚的磕棚所造成的這個樹大就是美的一個景觀那布袋根到東石這一段他又有一個先天上的優勢就是現在要去培養七頭的為布袋長高童村去培養一年大概有六十萬的人次而且還在成長中 |
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那我剛剛講的事實上韓國那三個纜車你說不管是幕府纜車或者是綠水纜車知道他們每一年的載客數就是一百萬就是一個一百萬那我們已經有一個條件就是說如果我們可以把這六十萬人做一個基數 |
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那不帶到東石的這個纜車基本上就有這些人可以然後再加上因為觀光效益帶起來的會更多人來使用所以我也覺得說以效益評估來說這也是一個應該是要去考慮要來努力爭取看看的但是在效益評估的時候還是有它的自償率的問題還是有這樣的問題所以基本上每一次卡帶效益評估然後因為講到的自償率那就好困難 |
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那我是覺得說交通部在規劃這個纜車計畫的時候我們壓心做得比較大我們既然要發展觀光這一些景觀既然是好的景觀為平原看有不一樣的特色 |
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兩星期我就要騎水車水上摩托車到澎湖事實上我最近也在看說當我騎水上摩托車在看台灣島的時候又有不一樣的感受從空中看有他的感覺從海邊看他的感覺他露臉看也有露臉的感覺但是我們現在就是騎空中這台空中這台沒有這台要政府來塞要我們交通部我們的觀光委的發展觀光大致塞進去 |
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好不好 部長報告委員您剛剛所秀出來的這個影像看得出來那個地方真的非常漂亮所以如果能夠建置完成的話它一定會是一個非常有觀光效益的地方所以那個自償率我剛剛有提過就是說不一定從交通的角度去看應該是從未來整體的觀光效益來思考 |
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那不過這個地方其實我們希望來推我也會親自再下去看一下看要怎麼去推你有機會來喔我帶你去賣一個36彎賣一個36彎賣了再帶來我們海口吃蚵仔這樣好不好我們剛剛在看海邊的這個有比較大的問題我目前所理解 |
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第一我們台灣是有颱風的地方所以海邊相對風險高一點第二有東北季風的問題那第三因為剛剛那個漂亮的濕地我們台灣現在對於生態的保育部長我相信颱風當然是一個因素啦但是你想想看在沖繩宮古島他們所面對的颱風的壓力這個我先下去看不會亞於我們啦所以我是覺得說部長所說的就是 |
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技術的問題 用地的問題 還有環境敏感區的問題這個我們把它克服掉 我們也不能去破壞它這麼漂亮的地方 如果增加觀光絕對是好事我覺得我們勇敢的把它跨出去天人合一的方式怎麼樣來進行最後一分鐘 事實上我還是蠻擔心這個4100億現在行政院所提出來的這個計畫 |
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那這個計畫我希望要在最快的速度趕快把它完成三讀那事實上院長事實上你也是有去拜會了國民黨團那也有去拜會了民進黨團所以藍白你都已經走過了那到底有沒有辦法在今天取得這個他們的一個承諾不負意勒 |
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很欣慰剛剛已經聽到已經復委那是不是今天能夠取得這個不復議的大家的協議我想朝野還在繼續努力當中讓我們很樂見也樂觀這個成果能夠往好的方向走因為我的經濟委員會特別拜託召委所以我要擺啦我是希望我後面擺就可以擺啦 |
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我現在下禮拜三天我都還是把他我都把他空下來我就是希望說這個要趕快處理因為現在產業憂心農業也憂心我一直強調這個為產業取命工業農業還有讓人民安心盡快把它推出來之後我們就可以以後編特別預算據時的來詳列預算的內容那麼合理的來執行 |
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好好的讓受到大陸的監督 因為事實上你所編的這四千一百億每一個都很重要幫台灣打外銷通路啊如何在這個時候做金融的支持啊這都救命錢啦 是是大行都救命錢啦所以我覺得這太重要了 民事產業座談都得到非常大的迴響我們希望國民黨 民眾黨就下午的時間趕快簽一簽我們下禮拜就來處理好 謝謝蔡議員的質詢謝謝左院長 交通部長的備詢 謝謝 |
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接下來登記第六位吳秉瑞委員質詢以書面提出我們請行政院書面答覆並列入紀錄刊登公報在接下來我們請登記第七位許志傑委員請質詢謝謝主席大家好我們請卓院長跟陳部長麻煩再請卓院長交通部長備詢 |
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徐委員好謝謝院長好首先感謝行政院對高雄的支持我們最近這是去年底國道10號美濃六龜段的動工院長也親自歷列還有高屏二塊 |
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這個高雄到屏東的另外一條快速道路也非常的重要還有國道7號現在也在做用地的徵收那明年就可以施工所以這個先感謝院長跟交通部對高雄的支持 |
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未來大南方新矽谷是一個國家發展的重鎮我們希望它成為大南方新矽谷的重要的基地也是南向的新的國家的門戶謝謝院長所以將來其實南北雙核心非常的重要所以高雄以前早年都是重北輕南那現在該是重南輕北的時候均衡台灣對就是重南輕北才會均衡台灣所以請 |
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院長繼續支持高雄那當然就是說我們在看重大建設眼光還是要放遠一點啦所以有幾個希望院長跟部長再幫忙支持的我在這邊也提出來就是台鐵南梓段它新增南梓園區站跟改善青浦站 |
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那這個部分我知道交通部當然也在評估就是說到底台鐵多了一個台積電站南梓園區站是不是太近了我知道交通部有這個疑慮或者是台鐵有這個疑慮但是呢事實上我們來看就是整個如果這個地方沒有做的話我們先看下一張圖讓院長參考一下就是 |
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這個台鐵南子延續站北端台鐵南子站跟南端台鐵新左營站 |
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現在如果坐火車到那邊要去台積電將來都會在這邊轉捷運在上下兩個站轉捷運那這個將來勢必會造成擁擠所以我們如果能夠加上台鐵南子園區站也就是所謂的台積電站那台南的可以坐火車直接下來不用在台鐵南子站轉捷運 |
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鳳山的屏東的也可以從坐火車上來不用在新左營站轉捷運所以從這個整體的考量來看我認為這個還是有相當的必要所以這個也要請部長跟院長支持 |
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那另外就是青浦站青浦站我們將來就是紅線跟紫線的交接紅線跟紫線的交接這個青浦站它也必須要把它山鐵共構將來才會更順暢所以這兩個高雄市政府會提出計畫 |
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就年底前會提出計畫那現在在規劃當中那我一直在徵詢交通部跟台鐵的意見那目前意見還不是百分之百match所以我在這邊先提出來讓院長也知道一下那也希望說部長跟台鐵這兩個站對高雄來講非常的重要可以把它規劃進去那再來就是我們的紫縣紫縣其實 |
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全世界到高雄的觀光客幾乎都會想到佛光山去走一走那只限目前的規劃並沒有到佛光山在考慮當中那我知道目前意願並不是很高但是呢佛光山這個地方我認為說不是為了它這一個 |
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點本身啦而是整個全世界的觀光客到高雄這個站幾乎都是必去之路必去之站所以這個部分是不是可以請院長跟部長也支持 |
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這個是地方政府的規劃我們會尊重地方政府的規劃也請委員跟地方政府能夠多多溝通如果有地方的需求交通部會進行下一個階段如何進行配合跟協助對 就是我們地方政府現在已經著手在規劃那就是說希望說部長跟院長這個是整個往長遠看啦 而不是只是看到現在未來整個大高雄的整體的交通的路線 |
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有這個必要性你看台北的捷運跟國用的捷運差這麼多你來看台北發展的比較早對啊所以院長其實都住在台北也很清楚現在台北很多人坐捷運很方便但是高雄為什麼捷運量還不如台北路網必須形成因為它整個路網沒有形成所以路網的形成非常的重要我想我們必須看遠一點所以這個部分希望說院長跟部長可以大力的支持 |
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另外就是我們的鐵路高鐵高鐵其實目前已經決定到高雄車站了高雄車站到屏東站這個也已經決定了但是我們鳳山車站高鐵站目前不知道部長的規劃怎麼樣院長知不知道曾經就幾個路點那個車站設置的點在做一些規劃當中以及將來它的實用性如何請部長再詳細說明 |
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是 報告委員其實未來可能的設點的地方因為委員一直很關心鳳山地區未來的發展那目前我們有幾個方案正在討論我們希望說還是預留未來鳳山會設站的這個可能性所以在整個高鐵延伸的案子裡面我們會先把這個案子放進來思考我想就整個路線來思考當然高鐵還是要考慮到成本營運那鳳山這一站其實就是早期 |
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早期的那時候的部長應該是毛自國吧 |
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就是那個眼光不夠他現在高雄車站他有做高鐵跟台鐵的月台可以共用那鳳山車站他只做台鐵高鐵不能用所以他另外再蓋一個車站對我們來講真的是七腳撐要撐開但是你又不能說不做所以這個部分我們也很痛啦那就是說希望說交通部盡快的盡量的規劃那如果我鳳山 |
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中間或者是跟大寮的交界他不用馬上上來這個是一個思考那另外一個思考就是說我們現在鳳山的鐵路地下化目前市政府也已經做可行性評估送上來了那鳳山現在的台鐵鐵路地下化呢 |
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我們現在打算就是再延伸過去那個大字路橋,那為什麼現在可以做呢?事實上當時本來到我們大字路橋前,過金武路橋就把它封死了。那當時我有要求,在馬英九政府時代吧,那時候我有要求說,你至少給我做一個預留的轉接的空間,我將來有機會上去的時候,你現在不要把我堵死。 |
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所以今天我們市政府做這個規劃我們交通部做這個協助有機會就是當時大概在十年前我們就把那個預留的轉接頭做好了所以我現在要拜託就是交通部跟行政院就是說今天如果我鳳山這一站上來是最好如果不能上來我至少轉接頭要把我留著 |
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預留一個將來我高鐵跟台鐵都可以上來的空間所以我現在就是說第一個首要的要求當然就是希望說我直接上來是最好那萬一不行的話我希望說至少那個預留的空間將來可行性可以更改的空間我把它保留住我將來整個人口的分佈更多我整個交通更有這個需求的時候我就可以再把它完成就像今天的鐵路地下化台鐵地下化我要穿過大自動車現在可以做了 |
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這十年前就預留的所以這個部分也希望說院長知道一下部長就往這方面去思考把我們未來的可行性保留住啦不要把它封死掉好那這個部分就拜託部長跟院長幫忙那另外一個就是我們的空中奉承 |
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這個我就真的要生氣一下要罵一下那個跟院長報告部長應該知道這件事已經跟我說招標三次已經跟我說沒有問題結果還是有問題這個顯然有兩個問題一個問題就是說也讓部長院長或者是說工程會也注意一下就是說在BOT的案子 |
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我現在檢討我鳳山車站這個案子,在BOT的時候只考慮到B,沒有考慮到OT。所以B的之後,蓋好了之後,要OT它相關的配套跟使用的方式,沒有辦法那麼順暢。所以你無所謂,又無法處理。 |
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這是第一個以後我們所有的公共建設在做BOT的思考的時候應該要一併的思考這個也提醒部長、院長跟工程會這個部分要注意第二個就是說目前台鐵到底有沒有人在keep這個案子把它針對問題、解決問題、完成問題 |
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我們希望今年會有進展因為已經進入第三次的招標一直留標我相信地方大家也會覺得很不耐煩也會覺得很失望所以這個部分我們會請台鐵積極來處理看可不可以今年一定要標出去 |
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所以我不能說希望要標出去我是一定要標出去一定努力所以就是說基本上也請院長跟部長交代台鐵公司你要一個人專門keep這件事情要不然大家都說要努力最後三個和尚沒水喝最後就還是標不出去所以這個部分我希望說院長跟部長也積極的面對我們這個問題跟我們注意一下 |
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好 那再來就是說我們的機場問題事實上我一直推了很多的航線包括華航、虎航、思航、華信、聯合、德威、越捷等我們現在15條航線事實上在高雄已經如火如荼的展開還有一些即將展開的事實上這個也謝謝我們交通部跟華航也一直跟所有的航空公司、民航局都很幫忙 |
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但是我們其實還要再想更遠,就是說我今天高雄飛美國的,現在上一次飛是1996年,院長已經快30年了。7月要飛。7月,聯合航空7月會有飛美國的。那聯合航空,其實我去拜訪聯合航空,他跟我說,那40年以來,我是為他一個禮物去拜託他,去拜託他。 |
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那現在聯合航空他要飛東京然後再飛美國然後再來就是說他也有答應我說他會去算人次也就是說我今天從高雄到東京到美國如果到時候直接過去的人數夠多的話也許就有機會直飛那這個部分也希望說交通部跟民航局多關注啦 |
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那當然就是說我們高雄的機場有很多的最大的問題是宵禁問題我們一直很難克服那我知道這個不好克服但是呢是不是就是說其實運營所他們有在規劃那目前就是我們南星計畫這個案子到底可不可行 |
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我們已經期盼了三四十年那可行我們就趕快做不可行就不可行但是如果是有機會的話我們要找到第二個就像台北松山機場之魚桃園他就是有 |
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城市機場跟沒有宵禁的機場日本的成田跟羽田韓國的金浦跟仁川都是同樣這個概念那我相信高雄有個小港機場還需要一個24小時的機場這個部分不知道部長跟院長有沒有想法我們先大南方先細股 |
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是 謝謝現在我們全力來將高雄小港機場第一期第二期工程把它完成這會將到2040年第二期完成那第一期會比較快那同時也遠跳過這個剛剛有人所說的那個地方需要填海去做一個新機場的可能性也正在做多方面的考量 |
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所以這個可行性評估大概什麼時候可以給我們一個確切的答案這個機場的可行性評估它時間會比較長一點尤其如果是我們要填海造陸它的海流它的風向它必須要觀察一段蠻長的時間確定海流跟風向之後才有辦法做所以如果是要就填海造陸來思考的話可能它研究的時間會比較長那如果是就路面上的話其實過去民航局已經討論過應該研析過 |
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接近10次的這個24小時的機場的延續那目前其實有一些方案不過都有一些問題所以一直無法落實所以我們現在第一階段要趕快做的是讓現在的小港機場讓它能夠優化讓它運量能夠提升能夠應付到2040年之前的需求小港機場優化這個當然是兩句話第一個就是時間一定是蠻長但是第二個就是 |
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一方面填海造陸的技術目前來看並不是困難但是填海造陸的機場以後連線會持續地沉下陷這個安全上的問題在很多機場都看到了我們有沒有能力去克服我想我的思考就是說不見得執著在一個點請部長院長就是說思考一下就是說我今天的需求就是20小時的機場 |
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那也許是南星,可行就做,不可行也要告訴我們為什麼不可行,趕快決定評估出來,那其他的我包括甚至我其實我不用胸襟那麼狹隘,說非在高雄不可啊我在高雄、台南、屏東,我們整個南方的結合如果有個24小時的機場,事實上我說的就是南北雙核心嘛 |
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那北部、南部、各部北部發展東北亞之外事實上南部我今天將來跟東南亞的基礎一定是非常的密切所以這個其實有非常的必要性是不是院長跟部長可以一些選項我們也都考慮過那現在就是還在評估哪一個要做下進一步 |
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下一個階段的選項我們還在做這個規劃過程總而言之就是剛才拜託院長的希望院長幫忙關注因為這些我在交通部大概都講過今天特地要讓院長知道一下就是說我們高雄的需求盡量給我們完成好不好好 我們希望跟委員一起努力好 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝徐志祺委員的質詢謝謝卓院長 交通部長的備詢我們上午的質詢到此為止下午2點30分繼續質詢謝謝陳寅委員 卓瑞雄委員陪同我們上午的質詢謝謝 我們現在休息 |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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MING PAO CANADA MING PAO TORONTO |
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由 Amara.org 社群提供的字幕 |
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由 Amara.org 社群提供的字幕 |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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歡迎我們現在繼續開會進行交通組織諮詢接下來我們請徐富奎委員請發言翁曉琳委員請準備 |
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麻煩請左院長、交通部長備詢學員好院長、部長午安 |
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我想這個我知道院長跟部長也很喜歡屏東常去屏東是我想屏東對很多人來講是過去這個學生畢業旅行的首選那也是過去這個談戀愛結婚度蜜月的首選那這個很多長輩 |
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這些懷念過去以前年輕時候也會常常去屏東也是首選所以屏東對我來講我來自國境之南我想屏東的發展也是很多我們鄉親的期待也是一個情感的所在 |
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那過去我想我們一直在關切我們屏東的重大的交通建設那在這邊我特別感謝我們從蔡英文總統賴清德總統我們陳建仁副院長還有蘇貞昌院長甚至我們現在左院長給予屏東的建設最多的一個支持跟力道那我想在這個 |
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屏東的發展過程裡面因為過去被定位成農業線所以其實很多的工商發展甚至產業的發展對我們實在是很不公平那我想隨著過去的重北侵染的一個策略那在我們賴總統上任之後我想院長這邊也特別有交代我們這個所有的部會 |
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我們朝著這個均衡台灣的一個目標來前進那部長我想院長我想我們在均衡台灣的這個過程裡面屏東的交通建設絕對是重中之重的建設部長跟院長同意嗎 |
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屏東尤其在我們那個時代啊他一直是我們畢業旅行跟蜜月旅行的首選就是墾丁啊能夠到那個地方去絕對是人生一大樂事尤其是國境之南對我們來講那就一個有距離但是在台灣的本國的領土裡面是一個有距離的美感的地方我覺得非常好那近年的發展我們希望他讓他能夠更貼近 |
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國際跟觀光旅客能夠進去的一個地方所以很多的設施我覺得還要全面的提升所以今天我特別要針對我們幾樣的交通建設部分要請院長跟部長大力來幫忙但是我先要提出一個很嚴重一個問題因為跟著隨著我們這個總預算跟財政劃分授之法的一個影響當然我們現在很多包含我們很多的行政首長跟我們很多鄉親都會問我一句話說 |
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富奎那到底我們的這個重大的交通建設的預算會不會因為這樣子藍白二砍預算受到影響甚至會延長到這個時程能不能請院長說明一下確實財政收支發放法新法的結果讓中央政府的財政能力受到極大極大的影響但是就行政院而言 |
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中央的建設尤其是中央跟地方一起的地方建設現在行政院正在思考用什麼方式將財政授資劃分法所造成的衝擊讓它降到最低我們就算咬緊牙關跟地方的配合還是要持續的讓它運作下去所以我們會認為 |
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也需要地方多多的配合未來可能地方多增加一點負擔我不希望說延長期限的方式來完成是地方多調整一些負擔讓我們能在期限當中去完成這件工作 |
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我想建設不分藍綠不能說我開闢的這條道路做的這個橋樑都是讓綠營的人在走沒有這一回事啦我想這是全民為了全民建設是否全民的所以我想我們很遺憾看到國民黨跟民眾黨的委員在立法院一手砍預算一手要經費這實在是很惡劣的啦那我想我們也不希望這樣子的一個惡性的一個循環影響到我個人我是非常支持我們行政院的預算我們也希望 |
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行政院要給屏東最多最有力的一個支持所以期待我們未來這個藉由這個整個行政院團隊的合作我想給予屏東縣政府最大的一個力道一個給我們鄉親一個最多的一個支持那首先我想請教院長這個高鐵南眼一直是屏東人的一個期待那過去在蘇貞昌前院長2019年就已經宣布了這個高鐵南眼屏東的一個案子 |
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那也當時預定在2029年要完工但是後來隨著這個一個重新的一個調整規劃那我們後來採了一個左營的高雄的方案那時程總長是25.9公里 |
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那目前交通部給我們的訊息是預計在今年的8月要完成重規跟第一階段的環評那整個過程要到2039年才能夠通車那我想這個跟當時2029年已經差了10年院長你對這個時程你個人有什麼看法 |
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一個重大的地方建設都是累積而來的無論是在哪一個政黨執政當中無論當初提出的方案對現在來講是可行不可行還是有所改變都應該感謝前人所做的種種努力我們是集前人之智慧地方的反應財政的能力跟現在未來的發展我們現在選擇的高雄方案就必須全力的把它完成我們也希望在2027年的8月就能夠通過二次環評 |
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如果我們持續這樣來做的話會有一個騎乘目標的管理我們需要在這個管理當中我們在交通部的規劃騎乘裡面有沒有加速的可能性 |
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所以剛剛我看院長一直有特別關心到我今天帶了一張 |
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這個屏東到台北的高鐵車票我想這是所有屏東人的期待那這個上面有有他的車次有他的座位但差了一個時間差了一個東西院長有發現在哪裡嗎20XX年XX月XX日對我們期待這個就是一個通車的一個時間點所以我想在這邊 |
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藉由這張車票我想邀請院長跟部長未來趕快跟我們的鄉親一起坐這一班的一個高鐵讓所有的屏東人能夠享受交通平權的一個權益我把這張車票送給我們謝謝委員你這個填空題我們一起把它完成 |
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謝謝院長跟部長的支持第二個問題就針對捷運目前屏東有臨編到 |
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林園這個捷運線那當然我知道我們包含交通部包含我們屏東縣政府跟高雄市政府大家一直都在努力在協調這樣的一個過程那這一條捷運線來講對屏東來講未來會往東港往新園往大鵬灣往林邊這是我們很重要的一個沿海鄉鎮一個交通的一個動線也是未來這個對大鵬灣觀光發展很重要的一個軸線那請教一下院長跟部長目前這個進度 |
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有沒有加快的可能性 |
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報告委員這個案子目前正在可行性評估當中也是屏東縣政府正在做那之前因為屏東縣政府跟高雄市政府針對整體的這個運量的並接有一些意見那目前已經兩府已經得到了共識零遠那邊石化區的部分我們一樣高價然後就是一車到底一樣都是用重運量的方式兩邊已經得到了共識那得到共識其實後續的這個進度就可以加快這個部分就是只要他們可行性研究做過來 |
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那交通部這邊會快速來審核並且協助後續的程序那另外這邊還是要特別再拜託院長那因為畢竟這個目前算起來我們這個地方政府的負擔大概要300多億這對我們縣政府是一個很沉重的負擔那當然這部分要請院長來支持我們中央能不能這個協助這個縣政府能夠增加一個分攤的一個比例這部分請院長這邊做說明一下因為這個地方政府還要去做 |
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好 謝謝院長那我第三個是針對我們這個屏南的一個交通的建設部分 |
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那我想過去屏東的建設我們的這個不管是高速鐵路或者是高速公路甚至是鐵路建設遠遠落後我們西部的縣市所以屏東以前都說站不保水但是我想這幾年我們在民進黨執政之下我們都已經把這個進度逐步來趕上但是我還是要跟請院長幫忙目前我們全台鐵路雙軌化的比例 |
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已經高達9成5但是屏東、屏南還有一部分還屬於一個單軌 |
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那這不只影響到台鐵的排班甚至連民眾的通勤權都受到影響那尤其我們有些像枋寮車站兩邊的平交道因為過去常常造成交通事故甚至淹水的問題所以我們希望整個要高價化的一個進行那我知道我們交通部已經把這個案子已經送到行政院那我們希望盡快來核定能夠加快整個高價化的一個進行 |
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那另外針對我們恆春觀光鐵道我想這個院長這個也搭火車的時候也特別喜歡屏東所以我想這個屏東的尤其屏南這一段的鐵道觀光是有所謂的一個觀光跟一個經濟的一個效益那這邊能不能請這個因為我們下禮拜一我們交通委員會也要到屏東來考察那這邊是不是請院長請部長這邊要特別來支持我們加快來處理 |
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好報告委員這個部分我們交通部已經重啟要來研議這個案子了那我們會朝正面的方向來走好那我們下禮拜我們再做進一步的討論那我想這個會期是本席來到立法院的第三個會期那我在這裡也有諮詢過我們的院長關於我們屏南快速道路的一個進度那但是因為最近 |
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好像聽到好幾個這個完工的一個時間版本有點納悶有聽到2035年的那第二會期聽到2039年最近有聽到我們在野黨的委員在質詢變成2030年 |
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到底哪一個時間點是正確的因為我們鄉親也很期待這一條平安快速道路這邊要跟院長報告一下這一條道路對我們恆春半島的鄉親來講不是只有一個交通便利的道路而是一個救命路過去我們往往很多因為一些醫療的急重症必須要往北送的時候往往因為過去平安公路的塞車造成擁捨 |
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那很多人這個不幸就會在這個平和公路上面那藉由這個平南快速道路完工之後我想可以大幅縮減這個通勤的時間那請教一下院長部長目前的進度我們這個進度到哪裡 |
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歐元總經費達到1700多億如果從單點來做會很慢所以交通部現在是決定分段來實施會加快它的速度那Change的時間應該是2030年是一個目標請部長在座確定說明 |
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是 報告委員因為整段其實比較長而且經費非常大那我之前跟委員在屏東看的時候我們其實有討論過如果我們來分段來做就是說比較急迫而且容易做的那個路段我們先來做因為整個屏南其實是相當長的一個區域那如果你可以解決掉其中的哪一段其實對整個屏南的鄉親來講幫助就會很大所以如果分段做我們速度就可以加快 |
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因為我去年我也邀了交通部跟環境部都在我辦公室有協調過那我當時我就是建議要分段施工那應該把最庸塞從仿寮段到豐港段這段因為剛好銜接台九線台東過來的車流量那段應該是最庸塞的地段應該是列為優先處理的一個部分所以這部分也請院長一定要支持我們跨部會趕快來整合一下加快啟程 |
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那一樣我們下禮拜考察的時候再請部長再做一個詳細的說明那另外下一個議題就是院長我們3月1號你有到屏東來視察嗎那我們也關心這個高屏二塊的進度那當時因為包含我們高雄有好幾位委員跟我們都一起來建議這部分 |
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希望能夠加快來進行那院長我記得當時現行的檔位應該是明年可以動工那目前這個氣場有沒有變化原來送來的原來的方案當中他是116年要動工 |
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我是告訴部長說你如果送這個方案真的到行政院我會把它退回去我會把它改成希望你115年所以他們經過調整之後交通部也非常的努力公路局也非常的努力他們現在初步的決定能夠在115年的10月就能夠動工我們朝這個目標我會緊盯這個目標前進 |
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這幾條交通建設都是屏東重中之重的建設那也特別謝謝院長跟部長的大力支持那我想我們所有的鄉親都在期待這幾條交通建設的一個陸續的完工那帶動屏東整個的發展那最後我想還是有一個很語重心長的問題要跟請院長跟部長幫忙就是我們的觀光那誠如剛剛院長跟部長講 |
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這個過去屏東墾丁也好大鵬也好是很多人美好的一個記憶但這幾年因為這個BOT退場啊甚至這個墾丁觀光被污名化的很嚴重那所以造成這個消費大家都愛啦愛到不知道怎麼說那所以我想 |
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行政院有一個跨部會的資料 |
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好 謝謝好 謝謝徐副會委員的資訊謝謝卓院長 交通部長備詢 謝謝謝謝 |
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抱怨會先讓我們一場二樓旁聽的來自台中東海大學政治系的六七十位同學未來優秀的政治人才我們掌聲歡迎你們再接下來我們請翁曉琳委員質詢吳啟明委員請準備 |
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現在跟東海大學的正式系同學問好謝謝主席有請院長黃部長速發布的黃部長以及NCC的陳竺偉NCC備選 |
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對 麻煩可能要兩位一起公務員好是 院長好院長我們上一次兩個禮拜前這本席在這裡有跟您請教公教人員3%的調薪什麼時候入帳您當時候說五月然後大家期待都是五月一號結果沒想到昨天蠻多的公務人員都反映說薪水沒有入帳 |
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院長怎麼回事因為這牽涉到很複雜的計算包括他的加班等等也有退離職的還有很多這個這個福利的這個方面計算五月份五月份一定會把全面一到四月的全部補足 |
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謝謝委員的關心為大家關心這個事情我也不會 已經在進行了已經在進行了接下來還有一個就是院長也說這個禮拜NCC委員的名單就要公佈 |
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今天是星期五了 明後天會工作嗎抱歉 委員的名單已經確定了我們在做人事作業我早上有跟外界說明因為部分的委員基於自己的工作家庭生活的安排希望我們多給他一點時間我們在努力這個人事作業已經開始進行了完成之後馬上就送到大院來請求所以聽院長這麼說的話看起來這一波NCC委員名單跟上一波的是不一樣 |
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聽起來好像是這樣子 要不然的話這個之前應該都已經有所準備了但現在感覺上是一波新的名單很大的不一樣會重新要這個準備喔好 那麼當然我本席也很期待看到這一波新的NCC委員的名單接下來我要請教的就是 |
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就是回到我今天要質詢的主題首先我想大家都知道這個前幾天我們看到南歐的伊比利半島發生了無預警的大規模停電然後造成西班牙葡萄牙還有南法等等的這些地方大停電有數以千萬人的日常生活都受到影響那麼 |
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各地陷入一片混亂甚至還有人因此喪命但看到此情此景其實呢就不經讓我想到蔡英文總統執政的這八年我們也曾經歷經這個五次的大停電其中呢有三次的停電事故都是數百萬戶的停電那麼 |
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當然這個停電的確是會造成生活上面很大的不便那我在這裡呢我也不會去探究這個大停電的這個事故的問題因為畢竟這個停電的事故非常的複雜那我今天我想要講的是就是如果說類似像西班牙的這種大停電事故其實台灣現在電力不足可能隨時都有可能會發生萬一發生這種特殊事故 |
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不管是地震、恐攻、戰爭或者是我們的電力跳電發生大停電導致電力傳輸中斷影響到基地台運作的時候那麼這時候如果台灣的行動網路通訊發生大規模的癱瘓 |
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那這個時候我們該怎麼辦我們政府準備好了嗎因為現在政府其實非常強調全社會防衛任性政府必須要防患未然要事先規劃好相關的這個備援機制所以呢我在這邊想請教是不是我們政府準備好了如果說一旦發生大規模的斷訊斷網的時候要怎麼做 |
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是也很謝謝委員能夠關心也一起來支持全社會防衛任性那我們現在剛剛提到幾次大的斷電有些是機器設備有些是人為的非常的抱歉那現在我們對於這種可能發生的天災地變甚至是人為的因素造成的這個 |
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停電會造成通訊上的困難政府朝著目標現在的建制方式是往多元建制不同方式來做備援而且是備援再備援我們現在可以從固定的網路到行動網路到海欄到微波到衛星我們都從多層次的一個建制方式已經陸陸續續在完成包括衛星我們也是建制的已經相當一個基礎的規模已經形成 |
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是 所以看起來院長對這方面是有所掌握有所了解的那接下來我要進一步就是要問更detail的事情那麼請教速發部因為你們在2023年當時就有推動了強化通訊網路數位韌性的前瞻計畫期間兩年花費是5.5億也就是說一旦發生了天災或是戰爭的時候呢地面的通訊像是剛剛院長講的海嵐行動通訊固定網路都受到影響導致這個 |
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平常我們使用的網路通話都無法使用這時候有說可以使用所謂的中低軌的衛星作為緊急備援通訊那預計今年會完成國內773個 |
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中低轨卫星的终端设备站点还有70个基地台的后船链路站点以及在国外设置三个非同步轨道的卫星站点大概就指的全面地面的接收站我想请问苏发布现在的建设进度如何你们真的有完成了吗 |
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那個報告委員那個773個站點在去年就完成了是那現在進度呢那現在當然完成以後現在因為預算的關係所以我們沒有辦法全部營運所以目前就是大概170個站點左右 |
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所以就是說建設完成了但實際上有在運轉的就是大概100多個那也已經在使用了那當然這個是保留給我們在遇到這種災變的時候能夠做緊急的這個所謂的指揮體系的使用為主並沒有說要開放給民間來使用尤其防災救災的目的來使用這些衛星站點 |
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是 確實因為本席在看相關計畫時候的確有看到現在我們所做的種種的備援機制都是為了政府 緊急指揮所或者是有什麼避難場所來使用可是我們有看到的一個情況就是說 |
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其實在你們計畫當中當時有盤點全國重要基礎設施是6800多處可是你們現在目前是建置了700多處然後實際上現在有在運轉的有在使用的大概就是700多其實是不到一成如果從這個比例來講的話其實本席是認為不夠未來的話是不是你們有沒有打算要增加相關的中端設備站點 |
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包括委員因為現在這個我們現在所講的是低軌衛星那低軌衛星的確現在我們用的系統叫One Wave那One Wave目前是我們打算大概就是目前就是已經開通了770幾個站點那未來這兩三年會有新的系統加入包括這個可能美國有幾個系統所以我們會持續擴充也會跟國科會合作在這邊跟太空中心合作我們會盡量的去佈建這樣的系統 |
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這個所謂的衛星統計系統能夠有足夠的頻寬讓至少在我們的剛剛講這些重要基礎建設以外指揮系統可以用 |
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了解 因為本信有發現你們現在頻寬大概是1.2G1.2G的這個頻寬嘛 對其實看起來其實不夠啦因為也有專家說這個萬一真的發生什麼緊急狀況還懶斷的話其實1.2G的頻寬是根本不夠用的所以這個基本上也希望你們考慮可能未來可以增加頻寬好 那接下來我要再問的就是說因為我們目前只使用是使用的是OneWeb系統那OneWeb當時是說在台灣它 |
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這個布建日本關島泰國三個地面接收站對那我們台灣有沒有考慮到要自己要建一個接收站呢畢竟現在這個接收站都是在其他國家那萬一因為政治因素或是技術上面出現了問題這個訊號打不回台灣那我們弄了那麼多不是白搭白做工了 |
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報告委員我們現在打上衛星以後我們是要跟國外同所以我們在比如說在日本跟關島這些國家建了以後跟泰國就讓我們能夠因為衛星在天空上一直在旋轉的在繞所以我們需要在這些國家部件我們才有辦法有24小時的通訊那通訊到外面以後 |
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當然就是說他可以到外面然後接通以後再訊號再打上微信再傳回台灣的地面接收站所以目前要建地面接收站主要原因是要增加頻寬但是以通訊本身要暢通來講對 簡單來說我們台灣到底有沒有考慮要自己要建一個地面接收站跟委員報告 之所謂備援系統它就不是普遍性長時間性的它是要提供緊急的 |
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救難 維持秩序乃至於國安上面的緊急通訊那我們還是希望原來的建制系統能夠在一定的時間內把它恢復那同時我們除了OneWeb這個低軌衛星之外我們還會往上走我們會走到同步衛星那同步衛星如果建制完成的話那就台灣的涵蓋面就更充足而廣泛完成了解 因為本席想強調就是說我們既然是做的這種緊急備援機制固然我們不希望它發生 |
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會使用最好不要有任何緊急狀況發生但是就是萬一發生的時候我們要有東西可以使用而且會好用那麼現在看因為這個三個站都在國外我不知道是不是我們花錢建的還是跟日本關島泰國三個站去合作的那總之我覺得這也是一個就值得述發布跟NCC這邊可能要思考行政院要去考慮的就是如果說是在 |
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心肺可行的情况之下的话其实考虑可以自己建一个接收站没有什么不好那另外呢我现在要讲的就是说考虑到这个风险分散的问题我们目前我们的台湾的中低轨卫星的备源机制我们只有跟OneWeb签约可是本心认为说台湾不应该只买OneWeb这个保险我们不应该把这个所有的这个 |
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我們就只跟一個業者就是只重壓一家了那未來可能會有發生一些風險那麼難道沒有其他的業者可以合作嗎我們知道其實在現在看到像Starlink跟OneWeb這兩個系統相比較就知道說其實Starlink的這個規模它已經可以說是壟斷現在全球的這個中低軌衛星 |
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那麼它發射的衛星科數是8400多個是比OneWeb只有648個 多了12倍所以在這裡不知道為什麼我們政府不可以與STARLINK合作報告委員 任何的衛星要提供服務第一個要來申請衛星的頻率 頻段他們到目前為止還沒來申請所以我們沒辦法使用 |
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好 OK 是這樣因為我也看了一些新聞報導大家就說為什麼台灣不能跟Starlink合作那麼是說第一個可能是我們有法規的障礙因為我們台灣的電信法現在叫做電信管理法還有微信廣播電視法等等這些法規對於外資持股的限制比例很高那第二個點則是說因為馬斯克友好大陸基於政治考量所以我們就不開放Starlink來是不是有此一說 |
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報告委員 政治的考量我們必須要有但是我們首先所圖的是台灣能夠在這種備援系統當中我們首先優先可以取得安全而且穩定的合作廠商是 所以我就說如果說撇開政治因素來講的話現在馬斯克他們的這個Starlix有8000多顆衛星啊 |
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對 那它覆蓋的程度 它的密度而且它市場大所以它比較不容易受到任何來自於敵方或敵對勢力的威脅但是我們現在卻只有跟OneWeb簽合約那本席是認為這部分其實是要考慮的尤其是我剛剛講的我們目前國內的法規的確是對於電信事業的外資投資 |
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比例的限制是高的我們看看像是美國英國日本的這些國家他們的外資持股的比例沒有那麼高像英國甚至沒有外資持股比例限制所以從這個角度來看不知道就是現在行政院再加上還有一點就是美國他現在的對於台灣除了可能會施以高關稅政策之外他們也希望能夠排除國際貿易障礙 |
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就是認為我們有非關稅貿易障礙那其中就說我們很多的外資的規定過於嚴格請問行政院有打算未來會鬆綁外資持股限制嗎陳陸委員所說我們在有限廣播電視法跟衛星廣播電視法上面我們的外資的比例外資法人都高達到50%跟60%我想這是因為國情是所需要我們還是要維持國家在安全可控的環境裡 |
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不過只是提醒啦因為接下來因為川普跟馬斯克是好朋友接下來會不會就是另外一方面也希望我們能夠整個解除這個外資管制電信事業的外資管制我覺得我們這個地方必須要先做準備好那接下來我還有再問的一個問題就是說其實大家知道啊一旦發生緊急狀況的時候是人人都會恐慌都會很想要跟家人朋友聯絡那但是我們現在政府卻沒有開放一般的民用的衛星通訊服務 |
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那其實現在很多的手機都已經可以支援衛星通訊服務了在這裡想請教我們政府什麼時候會開放NCC會開放嗎 |
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跟委員報告開放業務這邊也涉及到我們跟數位部的那數位部會開放嗎因為時間有限但是另外一個主要原因是因為衛星它是無國界的我們同意也好不同意也好它的電波就是落在我們上面那以這個如果說跟我們有敵對意識的國家它本身有衛星如果我們開放的話對國內的一些國安也好那些都會有影響 |
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我想講的就是不僅是國安的考量我覺得要考慮到民眾的平常的日常有急難救助的時候的考量為什麼大家會想要買一個衛星通訊的手機因為在高山在海邊 |
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我們看到日本甚至連越南現在也都已經看到林岳亡所以我不要說只是做國安但是人的安全現在還是也很重要那時間的關係那麼我想就是請蘇偉國還有NCC這邊在好好地討論因為我覺得我有一個小的請求就是我對於海浪的問題我也很關心 |
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那我4月18號的時候我就是這個時穩我去蘇巴佛要了解藏傳人的海域段的時候我們怎麼樣都可以上岸消防機我們是到現在這個輪功還沒下落不知道是在哪一個階段還在隔壁中我希望院長如果說您已經遇過我的訴訟的話請進一步給我訪問因為我對這一步很關心 |
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好好謝謝謝謝翁曉琳委員的質詢麻煩行政院翁曉琳委員所取的資料盡快交付翁委員辦公室謝謝主委院長部會所長的備詢謝謝接下來登記第十位王定宇委員質詢已書面提出請行政院書面答覆並列入紀錄刊登公報在接下來我們請登記第十一位吳祺銘委員質詢吳佩儀委員請準備 |
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好 院長我們與會同仁請我們行政院長以及交通部長麻煩再請卓院長交通部長備詢部委員好 |
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好 院長辛苦了再次的感謝我們的行政團隊因為在本期的選區真的受到院長與行政團隊大家的關心那我記得我們在上個禮拜還曾經到土城針對我們的產業座談會那我還是先提一下現在大家社會上關注的 |
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就是的重大議題就針對我們的美國的關稅的問題在我們113年台灣對美國出口達到1114億美元佔整體的出口的比例是23%其中我們的資通信電子零組件佔了65%那傳統產業 |
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包含我們的機械鋼理 汽車零組件佔了5.8%那美國對台灣的關稅大家都知道台灣現在面臨美方的關稅衝擊目前是 |
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暫緩實施但風險還在台灣出口的導向經濟行政鏈也編列了特別的預算這點是值得我們來肯定那我本席還是堅持的我們所有的資源都要花在刀口上那院長你在4月19號也率行政團隊到土城工業區參加我們的場區的座談會 |
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那我們土層有364家那其中都是金屬還有電子零組件還有機械設備三大佔比是最大那這些的產業一旦受到國際的變動衝擊影響的 |
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不只是出口還有土層的就業人口這是非常的嚴重請問我們行政院針對這類的地方產業的記錄中央是有明確的補助對這些產業 |
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另外還有沒有對外的外銷的計畫因為我們一些廠商他們期盼我們中央能夠提出有感的資源協助他們穩健的發展來度過這一次面臨關稅的衝擊請院長來做說明 |
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好 謝謝委員政府從來不會只照顧到高科技產業我們對中小微跟傳產一向認為必須要全力的把它提升扶持起來況且是這次面對關稅的衝擊所以我們在對中小微產業的這個多元振興方案當中在年度預算編列了116億在這次的特別條例當中我們也希望未來的特別預算能夠增列50億 |
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那加起來這個所有的錢就能夠因應中小微企業因為我始終認為電子業自動金產業公司這規模大自我調適的能力比較強但中小微傳產自我調適的能力沒有那麼強政府要下更大的力道所以我們在對中小微的中小微傳產的這個多元振興方向當中我們就列了這一項我們也在金融支持方面也提升了對 |
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這個利率的補貼或者是利息最高金額的減免等等我們都有做到我們總希望說先穩定住中小微跟傳統產業才能支撐高科技產業的發展這種垂直供應鏈才能堅固形成對政府對整個產業界才能是一道非常強而有力的防線 |
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好謝謝謝謝院長因為我們現在都是齊力的來協助我們這些廠商因為在土城有364家我們土城的工業產業園區一年的產值就來到1080億 |
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所以產值算是一個非常高那我們那天在現場還有他們的關心是關心什麼我們的電的問題我們一定要有穩定的電還有電價不做調整再來就是土層這一邊的工業園區大家都知道 |
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那是一個都會去土地的成本都非常高那這是我們廠商你看整個土城的公那個那個工業園區都已經相當飽和了那相當飽和的情形下他們現在他們所需要的就是政府來做協助那協助呢他那個土地的企圖都是真的會 |
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非常的困難那我們要怎樣來協助呢我們土城這邊我們現在所看的圖表來看一下我們的施法延期施法延期現在已經都在推動在做了那施法延期這邊算是北側那我們南側呢南側還有100多公頃這邊都是我們的公有土地 |
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那如果能夠將這個100多公頃開發為AI科技研區就串聯土層的工業區那整個串聯起來未來我們可以讓我們的所有的廠商以及產業記錄就落在土層這個地方那土層的地理環境非常好土層有兩個交流道三條結印 |
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那土層的便利性我剛才講說是兩個交流道的出口那所以土層對外交通是一個非常便利然後這一塊土地就閒置在那一邊就100多公頃那是不是拜託院長未來我們一起來推動讓我們土層整個科學延期我們的AI延期能早日來實現 |
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好 謝謝 兩項回答第一個就是我再次為產業界來請命我們這次在特別條例中 挹注台電的一千億其實那就是對產業最大最大的協助穩定電價 穩定物價 穩定民生讓產業才能夠在這波風暴當中 衝擊當中能夠安然的度過所以一千億再加上我們的九百三十億其實這整體直接就是對產業的一個協助 |
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另外土城園區是委員長期以來一直關心每次在各種場所都提出的那麼現在我們經過國發基金編列相當的一些評估跟預算我們希望將來我們現在的構想是朝向一個產業生態鏈來做供應還沒有到一個園區的規劃因為 |
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你說南區這個土地啊它有部分屬於法務部有部分屬於國防部法務部跟國防部他們現在對他們的土地雖然都是各有20多公頃都有他們使用的一些規劃而且國防部有一些是交給新北市政府有一些是交給財政部的國產署那法務部自己要做看守所做這個院檢的這個辦公的處所使用所以到底 |
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整個園區的整體規劃上面來看土地的座落還有多少是可以拿出來使用的還有進一步的評估但現在先朝向一個形成AI數位產業的生態環境他們去做推動好的我跟院長報告院長你可能搞混了現在我們的 |
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藍側藍側這一邊喔就屬於我們的司法園區 司法園區算是北側那藍側這一邊都還沒開花藍側還沒開花有100多公頃那我們 |
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在北側這邊就是司法延期看守所、地檢署、地方法院現在我們針對的是北側這邊這邊有一百多公頃未開發未來我們能引進高科技延期這是土層能解決一些廠商的問題 |
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因為我們公有的土地我們可以用比較低廉的成本來找他們來協助找他們來甚至採用VOT都OK啊最主要是可以聚集一些廠商進來 |
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地方的就業大家都不用跑那麼遠這也可以帶動土城整個的繁榮這是本席在這邊向我們行政院來拜託好的我們做過幾次的這個投資人的會議跟這個方案的說明會那我們可以繼續朝這個方向來徵詢地方以及園區裡面以及這個區域當中各個產業界的意見我們請速發部再來做整合 |
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好的好謝謝謝謝我們行政院長那再來就是我上上個會期我所提出的我們的建築機械啊工程的重機械那在過去喔全國他們這些重大的 |
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重型機械都是停車的問題因為我們的法令上沒有找一個讓他們可以停所以變成很多單位大家都不願意來承接那我也很感謝我們的祕書長 國祕書長來做協調由我們交通部以及我們內政部兩個單位也在 |
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5月15號要來召開這個會議那我期盼我們交通部是不是 |
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為了解決我們業界他們的困擾這從過去到現在都沒辦法去解決你要是遇到天災還是我們的重大災害都是需要他們這些重機器啊重機器你要需要的時候政府都要拜託他們然後他們的問題我們還是要替他們來解決那我也期盼說5月15號大家有一個很好的有一個很好的方案出來 |
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人徹底來解決他們的問題好不好部長不然你來回答好了好 感謝委員那您所詢問的這件事情其實上個會期您也提過對那這個部分您努力了很久所以行政院 已經三個月了副秘書長在2月12號特別召開了協商會我要感謝秘書長那未來交通部跟內政部我們大家會來聯手來協商會來研商說這些重機具未來到底要停在哪裡因為它現在停的地方大部分是農地那有時候會被罰 |
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這個部分其實對他們來講很困擾這個我曉得所以在5月15號內政部他會開一個研商會議由交通部跟工程會還有經濟部當然農業部也要一起還有地方政府我們大家一起來研商說未來什麼樣子的地方可以讓這些重機具來停靠跟委員報告好 謝謝 謝謝部長部長一定要拜託是不是多久的時間可以跟本席答悟 |
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報告委員 5月15號就會開會 開完會馬上跟委員來報告好 一個月內好不好好 謝謝那再來呢 本席所關心的就是六五 這一條六五延伸因為三峽 你看我也要感謝啦 在這邊我也特別感謝我們過去的公共工程會我們的吳哲成跟本席開了七次會議終於也達成我們各單位的達成共識 |
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那現在起初的報告也已經出來了 |
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現在其中現在在我們公路總集在省和中那六五的重要性因為六五是延伸到三峽尤其是在三峽北大北大當初的人口才幾萬人現在已經暴增到六萬多人那未來還有麥子岩的重劃區還有甘嶺那一邊的一個工業工業園區那整個再起來的話就差不多十萬那你整個 |
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對外交通靠哪一條靠國道3號那國道3號你一上了到三峽上了國道3號直接塞車那怎麼辦那就是這一條65是急迫性65又可以解決我們土城工業區364家 |
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還有未來我們三峽的發展還是需要這條六五的延伸所以在這邊我也特別拜託我們交通部拜託院長針對六五這個延伸因為我們現在是五層三峽為優先路段優先路段那是不是請部長來回答 |
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報告委員目前公路局正在做可行性研究8月會提出其中的報告因為這條路它是沿著大漢溪的兩岸來布設所以會有一些河道落墩的議題這些議題我們會跟水利的主管機關還有新北市政府還有桃園市政府大家共同來研商我們希望這條道路可以趕快往前來推進 |
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山峽確實啦現在國道3號這邊塞車的狀況非常的嚴重那我們希望可以透過這一條來紓解一些交通的這個擁塞對 |
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因為這一條要開闢這一條真的不開闢是未來塞車的問題是沒辦法解決所以這是一個急迫性我們都知道三峽他那邊的重化區未來再上來的話他真的整個車子永塞又更厲害那你整個癱瘓國道3號那對整個交通網也不是很好所以這一條一定要來拜託再來咧 |
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再來就我還是感謝我們交通部因為我們那個長湖橋那長湖橋過去是我們水利署整個圍橋現在已經都同做明年也都要完成那這是一個光雕橋那因為關係到三峽停車的問題所以我也很感謝我們的部長在我們前瞻最後一筆 |
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預祝到我們三峽我們的停車場所以這個停車場我未來還是要再拜託部長整個進度絕對還是要吹啦因為你三峽老街你看三峽老街人潮那麼多你要發展觀光你一定要停車是一個必備的 |
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所以在這邊我也還特別感謝因為我們交通部預注了兩億七千萬才能現在這個停車場的經費我們才可以說順利來做發包的動作再次的感謝部長謝謝委員 |
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那再來就是我們土城我土城交流道現在整個進度都超前了 |
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在接下來登記第12號黃秀芳委員之諮詢以書面提出請行政院書面答覆並列入紀錄刊登公報在接下來我們請吳佩奕委員諮詢羅明財委員請準備 |
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好 謝謝主席 我請行政院院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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副委員好院長好院長你過去曾經說過要讓台灣不僅是科技島同時也要是觀光大國那台北市呢我們是許多國際旅客來到台灣的第一站所以台北也是台灣向世界遞出的一張名片 |
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那作為一個國際城市呢台北的文化運動交通都非常的重要因為我認為這是發展觀光的基礎所以今天我想要跟院長討論的也就是我們台北市的水岸淡水和流域的治理因為我們看了世界很多國家知名的城市呢都是與它的河川共生 |
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除了可以發展觀光以外它也是城市一個很重要的地標例如我們看到京都有鴨川它貫穿了整個京都市在倫敦你如果是搭乘泰晤士河的遊船呢你就可以看到倫敦鐵橋跟大笨鐘那巴黎奧運的時候我們看到開幕式就在賽納河上舉辦各國的代表團包括台灣的代表團 |
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也都搭著船來進場所以我想河岸它不只是城市景觀的一部分它也貫穿了一個城市的歷史接下來要跟院長討論的就是淡水河流域跟我們台北省的建成它是息息相關的以我的選區萬華來說 |
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過去就是因為淡水河的貿易讓蒙甲身為台北市最早發展的趨勢讓蒙甲這個詞Banga它過去就是平埔族跟泰雅族語的船的意思所翻譯過來的所以大家也都熟知一浮二露三蒙甲這個說法但是呢我帶院長看一下我不知道院長有沒有來過我們萬華的河岸 |
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這個在照片上的左邊就是我們萬華的河岸在右邊呢就是大稻埕的河岸你可以看到它是有結案的不同那當然除了這個市政府的水岸的規劃以外 |
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也在於它的這個水域的水流的特性那事實上我看了我們經濟部水利署其實有做過相關的研究報告在水利署的淡水河流域整體改善與調適規劃報告當中也提到了其實在對萬華來說萬華很多的棋老他們生命的記憶跟淡水河生命不可分因為我們最早的這個水氣生活就是從我們河岸開始 |
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所以呢在報告當中也提到了淡水河的建議的應該它的主軸定位應該是魅力水都大河形象那要配合沿岸的台北市跟新北市政府一起來做改造的意向在同樣的報告當中我們也看到 |
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我們現在新的這個流域治理治水的概念應該不能像過往一樣以前我們是遇到淹水才來治水現在我們應該要從流域有一個整體規劃的思維所以我非常的肯定院長您上任之後大力推動的行政院水及流域永續推動小組是不是就要來推動系統性的治理規劃能不能跟我們說明一下什麼叫做系統性的水域 |
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治理規劃每一個城市如果有一條河流會讓這個城市更美麗我也經常到大稻埕這個河岸邊我也經常到基隆河的大家公園去打球等等我有這個形容說 |
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河岸的城市河岸會讓城市的倒影呈現出來看得到城市的倒影才能讓我們看到城市的歷史跟未來的發展所以我們在系統性治水當中我們今年有編了550億的這個預算比過去都還多我們希望的達到是一個有水但是沒有災害但是用水 |
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而且是有節度的另外就是讓水清讓生物能夠進來也讓人能夠親近這就是我們水及流域永續推動小組所在辦理的這個系統性治水那這個我們希望在今年預算的執行底下我們能夠補過去八年八百億或是前瞻基礎建設當中所遺留下來的後面這一里路把整個 |
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防災防洪的治水工程能夠在最後再把它補足讓水跟人民是可以親近的而是可以利用的我們可以用它發展更多的觀光產業甚至發展更多的水資源 |
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我事實上我們也非常的期待因為過去我在台北市議會的時候也看到地方政府的努力對我們整個沿岸的休閒運動的規劃設施是不斷在持續進步的但是呢河岸的休憩跟水域的治水我想這兩者是相輔相成而且必須要去並進的所以台北市的淡水和流域的進步還有很大的一個空間我在水利署的報告裡面有看到光是淡水和流域的整體 |
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他就會涉及了超過21個政府的單位包括中央跟地方的像中央有內政部經濟部交通部是氣象署納入但事實上我認為觀光署也應該要去納入因為陳儒剛剛前面所提到的水域其實是一個城市觀光很重要的一部分所以今天我想要特別來邀請院長的是 |
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是不是呢我們這淡水河流域的治理我們可不可以邀請行政院出面來召集一個與雙北市政府各個行政單位的一個討論的平台因為我看到我們其實已經有相關的研究報告現在就缺少了規劃我們需要踏出那個執行行動的第一步是不是可以先開啟這個搭建這個討論協調的平台我們先開始來討論我們要怎麼樣來把淡水河流域打造的 |
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更適合民眾更清水更友善謝謝委員的建議我們可以這麼做但是他一定需要台北市新北市雙方政府一起來加入這個平台這個平台才能發揮它的作用我們也非常樂意來協助邀請地方政府一起來討論同時因為在你們的報告當中也提到 |
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治水啊 公私協力很重要所以呢過去在萬華這個社區大學已經常年都在進行這個清水相關的工作坊啊導覽活動都有在進行當中水利署也跟我們在地的這些民間團體也有過多次的會議討論所以我想這民間的意見也非常重要希望可以有行政院出面來邀集地方政府跟民間團體一起來討論我們如何把淡水河流域打造成一條台北市的觀光勝地景點 |
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好 我們一起請水利 交通 甚至觀光的部會機關都一起來加入我們弄一個專案來讓淡水河比現在更美麗好 謝謝那接下來要跟院長討論的是我想院長一定也很熟悉的一個地點就是台北車站國外旅客來台北搭機集的第一站就是台北車站那台北車站是我們台灣的國門所以呢 事實上我進立法院之後第一場的總諮詢就跟行政院討論到台北車站在 |
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國際旅客以及國人當中他有一個外號叫做北車迷宮不知道院長有沒有聽過我早年的經驗我要去搭高鐵的時候我一定要走到台北深山的固定的東山門我才能夠進得去高鐵我不敢從別的地方開始走現在慢慢走慢慢熟悉了所以院長也知道北車真的是一座迷宮部長有沒有聽過北車迷宮這個稱號我自己的感受也是跟院長是類似的 |
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是 我們台灣的主持人胡瓜哥他有做過一集節目就是測試在台北車站裡面能不能順利通過這個迷宮結果當然不是很順利所以呢 過去其實跟行政院已經有討論了台鐵也已經動起來我們在進行的是台鐵的指標系統手冊更新案 |
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那113年9月啟動我目前看到要直到115年6月才會完成那這個部長能不能跟我們說明一下這是因為什麼樣的原因我們需要這麼長期的時間 |
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報告委員這是委外做的一個研究案子他們當時設定的時間我這樣看其實也是有點長那這個部分我再跟台鐵公司我們一起來研究看有沒有辦法再縮短因為他這個是台灣設計研究院辦理的他可能比較細緻去做研究但是我覺得這個時間一拖長這一兩年裡面沒有辦法快速解決問題也不是個好事我們會來延商看怎麼樣讓他時程可以再縮短一些 |
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那等他研究做完之後我們台北車站跟板橋車站會優先來做示範區域先來試行看看那如果可以的話其他車站也一起納入 |
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是 它之所以會是一個迷宮就是因為它其實四鐵共構它有台鐵 高鐵 北鐵 基鐵所以我們看到它在很多的節點它的指標系統是不同套的所以沒有把它統一所以我可以了解說因為我們要做全國這次你們的更新是珍貴全國嘛不是只有這一座車站所以我具體建議是我們的指標系統更新的工作 |
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跟我們台北車站以及剛剛部長提到板橋車站因為我也邀請你們到現場會看過跟這兩座車站的改造其實可以同步來並行可以同步來並行你要先開始盤點嘛因為我相信你光是台北車站哪一些地方它未來必須要被更新改造 |
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這個光是盤點恐怕就需要時間所以我很擔心你們等到指標系統是全國性的一個系統等到指標系統盤點完再來進行現場的會刊再去了解說我有哪些是需要改造的哇 那可能又過半年又過一年了所以我的具體建議是這兩者我們同步來並行那一旦我們指標系統更新一完成馬上開始施作我認為這是我們最快可以來去改善台北車站這是我們台灣的國門啊 |
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所以真的是要拜託院長跟部長來幫我們想一想怎麼樣未來不只是國際旅客連我們台灣自己的國人連台北人在北車都會迷路這一座迷宮什麼時候才可以關掉什麼時候我們可以打開一個友善路人 友善行人的車站我們希望這一日早日到來所以說剛剛有具體建議的我們指標系統改善的期間就先來進行台北車站跟板橋車站的改造盤點可不可以做到 |
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好 謝謝委員 已經是再次提出北車的這個指標系統的更新那上次您建議之後交通部台鐵已經在著手進行了那他現在這個更新案已經在進行到現在必須要有個場域讓他能夠實踐所以用台北車站 旺華車站來做實踐的場域我想交通部要馬上著手我希望我過去的生活經驗這個笑話不要再流傳下去了 |
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希望未來院長從西三門進場的時候也不會迷路好那接下來呢一樣是要感謝中央對於北市交通的軌道建設因為這個我非常的關注從我當市議員的時候當時就跟林昶卓委員一起 |
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到我們捷運萬大線的工程地跟我們台北市長蔣萬安一起來進行會談現在呢中央其實挹注我們台北市相當多的經費尤其以軌道建設為例目前我們的捷運萬大線南北環東環新義東延中央核定補助的總共是一千億光是這條線總共一千億所以真的是要感謝因為這幾年的原物料工程都上漲 |
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這個院長部長非常了解所以他的工程經費都持續在變動當中那雖然說財化把每一年從中央拿走3700億對我們中央財政是有非常大的壓力跟衝擊但是軌道建設它真的是一個城市的命脈也與民眾每一日的生活日常非常之相關 |
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所以我今天還是要特別來請命拜託希望我們中央對於北市的軌道建設的挹注可以持續的來進行因為呢就我們所知台北市在去年有提出萬大一期第三次的修正計畫就是希望我們中央在原先挹注的203億之外要再去增加 |
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54億的補助那這個我的了解也是確實因為原物料上漲的關係真的有這個壓力所在那我知道我們中央去年11月的時候請台北市政府要去修正就是9月提案的時候我們第一次原則性是審查通過了是不是部長報告原事的 |
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第一次提案我們是同意的但是請台北市政府要去修正再來送件那送進來了沒有應該已經送進來我們現在正在審查當中 |
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所以送進來這一次原則上我們審查通過如果修正的都是有符合我們就會來同意補助對我們就看它是這個修正的方向有沒有符合我們要的方向如果有符合的話我們原則上是同意的好那這個真的是要拜託院長因為檢疫萬大線這個在地人已經等了20年了 |
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很多人是從小的時候就在等這一條捷運台北市是我們未來這個首都圈黃金狼帶的核心中的核心所以現在的多元的建設都有在現有的綿密的交通路網之上我們要讓它完整更精緻所以我們跟地方跟台北市政府的合作是勢必進行下去的只是未來真的如果財政收支發放法做這樣的這個變革的話我們必須跟地方政府在商談 |
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過去核定的地方負擔的金額要適度的來調整才有辦法在原來的年限當中來完成所以我也很希望財政收支發放法我們有機會再做合理的討論 |
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是好那接下來呢也是要跟院長討論也是要感謝就是在萬華的萬華火車站這個我不知道院長有沒有來萬華搭過火車那對在地很多其他來講這個早期這裡都是鐵路火車站其實他們是一個重要的回憶但是以現代來講現代的火車站他必須要當代的功能所以呢去年我們跟交通部還有台鐵 |
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也進行過多次的討論也謝謝部長一直非常的支持我們選定了萬華火車站作為台鐵年度美學改造車站之一去年五月的時候也特別謝謝台鐵到萬華來召開了在地居民的這個意見收集座談會我們地方參與的非常踴躍包括對面的服飾商圈在地的文史團體很多的店家大家都是第一次可以 |
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自己切身的來討論我們身邊的這個火車站它應該要有哪些功能它可以再呈現哪些在地的特色那我想要請教一下部長目前這一個萬華火車站的美學改造案我們的進度是如何呢我們目前正在設計規劃當中預計今年年底會完成設計規劃那明年的六月會完成整體的發包 |
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明年六月之前就會進行發佈好 非常感謝那我也希望在設計的過程當中要再次來到在地跟我們居民一起來討論我們非常的期待新的萬華火車站新的改造樣貌謝謝關於城市美學跟文化的底蘊在級委員多多的指教好 感謝 謝謝謝謝吳佩儀委員的資訊謝謝卓院長 交通部長備詢 謝謝 |
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接下来我们登记第十四位陈素月委员第十五位杨耀委员质询据书面提出请行政院书面答复并列入记录刊登公报再接下来请登记第十六号罗明才委员质询许巧新委员请准备韩院长 |
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在座卓院長以及行政團隊各位委員大家午安韓院長可不可以請卓院長再請卓院長備詢卓院長你好我們看到國際的局勢變化萬千短短的一個月內 |
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新台幣33塊兌換1美元急升到接近快31塊今天今天已經破紀錄了一天就升值了快0.8角院長台幣一直升值啊已經快接近了楊金榮總裁的防線這個防線 |
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以及新台幣的強勢是不是受到了什麼樣的壓力為什麼會那麼急升這個對國內的一些企業以及像觀光客來台灣的情況會不會有什麼不同的影響日前楊總裁在答詢的過程當中也提到 |
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台灣長期來看是一個匯率穩定的國家我們也沒有強力的去操縱它就交由市場機制那目前我們也沒有受到任何的壓力對貨幣有任何升值的壓力但是還是取決於市場的機制但世界依照美元的走向美元比較疲軟 |
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各種匯率比較升值現在是這個趨勢這個趨勢反映出關稅貿易政策的調整過程當中各國都還在調適但是我知道我們這樣的升值對國內的產業以及出國產業會造成相當大的衝擊所以我們才提出了這個產業支持的方案我們希望從各方面來幫忙產業度過這次的衝擊那或許我們現在面臨的狀況 |
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有在我們的判斷當中但是他並沒有發生到現在我們不可控的狀況所以沒有來自美方的壓力楊總裁之前在這個地方已經正式的答覆我們沒有接到任何但是我是認為五會式的穩定是政府必該必應要有一番作為的所以我們對股市的穩定我們從4月初到現在有一套穩定的作為但會會會 |
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匯率到底是國際的形勢影響很大那我們現在是持續的觀察我剛剛說我們現在這個預期是有的但是沒有發生到我們現在不可控的狀況對 前幾天可能沒有可是今天這個市場狀況也沒有看到央行出手干預一天的時間台幣兌美元匯率漲了八角 |
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這個比率是非常的高啊從33塊到現在31塊大概沒有幾天的時間啊已經漲了快超過6%接近快10%那台幣這樣再繼續走下有沒有可能升值到30塊台幣兌換1美元呢我們是在 |
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持續的關注這個狀況但是央行對匯率的掌握他並沒有用行政上去干預太多因為我們不是一個政治干預貨幣的一個國家我們還是任由這個市場機制但是政府的關心跟業界的問題要連結在一起這個是政府的責任主席不要忘記了 |
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我們的外匯存底裡面有92%大概4000多億的美元都是買美國公債相關的公債買了很多那萬一哪一天台幣又升值突破了27塊的話那我們相對的未實現的損失就會變很大很大 |
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我們有一些金融機構過去對於一些美債的一些購買目前正式遭受到剛剛委員所說的這個狀況長到這樣的一個結果我們也在做一些體質上的調整那國家更應該及早的因應我們除了央行的外匯存底買美債請問台灣的售險公司產險公司以及金融相關公司 |
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究竟買了多少的美國公債以及美國的公司債 |
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這些民營的機構 民營的單位他們長期追求的是一個長期穩定的獲利所以購買各國比較安定的公債當然他們選項之一啦我想各國都會現在有一些基本上避險的思考那這個要一段時間慢慢來調適那這個要小心啦你現在一個籃子而已啊 單一啊全部壓在美國 壓在美金上面如果 |
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美元全世界的地位它已經動搖了甚至它如果大幅的貶值為了讓美國再次偉大那我們台灣的相關美元計價的資產可能就會遭受很嚴重的損失 |
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但是我相信任何一個國家對自己貨幣快速期間內、短期間內大幅度的貶值對這個國家的財政都不是一個單純的好處而已它也會帶來很多的後遺症所以我相信各國政府都應該有一套自己在避險或是對貨率安定的一個措施日本的廣場協議造成日本失落三十年因見不遠希望院長多多思考一下 |
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我們很關切廣場決議之後造成的日幣在國際市場上面的因素但是我說目前來看我們沒有感受到這樣的直接的壓力來給台灣政府或是世界上它都是一個普遍性的狀況我們還在觀察它後續的發展所以就要多小心啦那因應國際局勢的變化事實上本席跟以前前委員吳信穎委員也提過 |
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應該要成立一個主權基金帶領百工百業可以走向國際因為人是英雄錢是大如果有主權基金出去再配合一些企業我們高科技等等到各國去談判 |
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去發展去做觀光也才會有利所以主權基金現在推動的情況不曉得院長大概進行到什麼地步大概他的規模size大概是會多少過去我們當然是比較謹慎而保守啦那我認為現在國家的財力我們的產業的發展以及國際的局勢台灣應該能夠比較主動性的來討論這個話題包括他將來一定要一個專法來管理 |
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有一個專業的管理的單位機制甚至他的資金的來源資金的規模都必須要在一個公開透明的機制裡面來做運作才可以那目前我們只是在一個構想上是朝比以前比較起來我們比較採取主動開放討論的方式那我認為他要距離我們成立除非我們還要有一個 |
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很快的力道很大的力道讓他能夠有一個專法的成立否則現在我們這個還在一個討論的過程當中可以參考一下新加坡的主權基金是非常成功的例子還有新加坡的國家基金他不到90天就成立了我希望說這個可以請院長幕僚大家研究一下謝謝委員的這個建議本席來自地方有一些相關的議題要趕緊要跟院長請教 |
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那個請問一下五一勞動節的時候院長有沒有放假沒有沒有放假我們立委沒放假那變成說有七大行業有的要工作那問題都有小朋友啊可以說是天下大亂要接小孩的呢或者是不再要吃飯的通通是問題請問院長五一勞動節啊可不可以調整全國的一致的放假情況 |
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五一勞動節針對勞工朋友的放假我想這個是一個最高的尊敬對勞動朋友們那當然他沒有全國性的放假也行之多年我想家長以及各個單位在調適上也已經相當有經驗到未來我認為我們在國家生產力的結構檢討底下跟國家經濟成長的結構底下這個議題是可以討論的是可以討論的但是我也希望說勞資雙方要有和諧的討論基礎 |
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我們希望多一點彈性,不然爸爸媽媽接小朋友眼花繚亂,接的頭非常的痛另外再請教一下官貿大戰的情況之下 |
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過去台灣因為說要加入WTO造成紅標米酒漲到一瓶180塊現在又是面臨關稅談判的時刻那如果照N69標準來課稅的話會不會再一次的演變出台灣紅標米酒最必需的民生用品又開始飆漲所以早年的經驗告訴我們我們選擇用料理米酒的方式 |
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脫開這個所謂增六九的方式用每公升來計價跟增六九用每度來計價是不一樣的我們已經有這樣的經驗我想這個是現在現存的至少在這個基礎之上我們應該維持現在的機制紅標米酒不會漲價我們已經有料理米酒了所以不會漲價我認為在談判過程當中對方也應該顧及到我國消費市場的習慣 |
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謝謝多努力另外在這裡要拜託院長大力來支持深坑輕軌的推動你喊了快15年了我們在地方不分藍綠從蘇貞昌蘇縣長到院長都說要大力支持現在的進度就是拜託交通部能大力支持 |
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可行性評估通過了以後後面才會有綜合規劃環境影響評估以及都市計畫變更等等的作業過去蓋一條深坑輕軌大概金額比較低一百多億現在聽說因為原物料又漲 工又漲聽說金額要 |
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往上調這一條深坑輕軌我覺得深坑是台北市的後花園禮拜六禮拜天深坑老街可以說是人潮擁擠拜託拜託卓院長大力支持讓深坑輕軌可以早日完工 |
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現在很多的重大的公共工程爆來的修正計畫都如委員所說的都是幾乎成加倍或者是50% 60% 70%這樣的幅度再加所以我說今天不做明天是做不下去的所以 |
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但是深坑輕軌這個事情它現在原來的評估啦對它的自償率還不足的問題是列為一個參考評估的一個重點但是我認為國家的財政跟地方的發展我們對自償率應該有一個比較廣闊的開放態度如果國家財政不好當然我們希望這樣子如果國家財政好我們希望用交通帶動地方建設的這個觀念要把它轉化下去 |
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其實很認同院長所講其實不用害怕因為捷運到哪裡其實都更就發展到哪裡就帶動起來而且深坑離101大概不用十幾分鐘的路程就可以到所以非常的近所以我把它定位為台北市的後花園 |
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希望我們所有大台北所有的朋友如果要到後花園的時候輕軌一坐很方便在那邊環境又漂亮還有深坑的臭豆腐美食也都不錯還可以間接的帶動地方觀光的發展所以謝謝院長大力支持另外也拜託周院長可以大力來支持安坑的特異號道路第三期因為大家都知道有了 |
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這個特一號道路一期以後所有的安坑的輕軌已經完工通車了本席多年的在這裡大力的爭取非常感謝行政院相關部門大力的支持已經通車了而且當地所有的居民反應非常棒但是現在這個路基的部分就是有一期二期安坑特一號道路就是需要第三期過去大概七八十億 |
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現在恐怕要90億了但是第三期如果做好了對整個大台北華城對那邊學校康橋 |
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國際中小學以及附近所有的大型社區的交通幫助非常非常的需要所以在這裡拜託能大力支持安坑一號道路的第三期包括華城快速道路的興建報告員這個部分要請這個新北市政府用這個生活圈計畫的道路來申請補助 |
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那看是內政部或者是交通部我們兩個部會來協調看有誰來協助好謝謝那我們就大力來推動另外還有一個就是安坑一號道路延伸至土城交流道安城快速道路現在從安坑交流道到中和交流道就是北要高的部分 |
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常常堵車堵得非常的厲害時事物不到20公里如果在五城那個地方就安坑特業道路直接翻山越嶺穿過去就接到土城交流道非常的便捷也需要在這裡拜託院長大力支持 |
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跟剛剛那條是一樣的他可以透過這個生活圈計畫來中央申請補助因為他如果是都市計畫內就是有內政部都市計畫外交通部在思考幹什麼樣協助我們一起努力另外還有一個安坑輕軌可不可以串聯到規劃中的中和光復線因為安坑輕軌已經OK了直接拉過去更方便 |
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好 謝謝羅明財委員質詢謝謝卓院長 交通部長備詢 謝謝接下來徐曉興委員質詢之後我們將會休息10分鐘我們現在接下來請徐曉興委員請質詢謝謝韓院長那我們想有請卓榮泰院長 |
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麻煩再請總院長備詢學員好院長在5月1號的時候那經濟學人出了一個新的文章那裡面有談到台灣的一些變化那請問這份文章您看過了嗎抱歉我還沒有看到你還沒有看到今天 |
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從昨天到今天所有台灣人民很多都在討論的文章你還沒有看到那你是不是覺得你應該作為行政院長要趕緊去看一下經濟學人裡面對川普相關的評估嗎那我本來要問你說呢這個文章裡面有提到台灣面臨的三個新變化但既然你連看都沒有看我只好直接告訴你好的 謝謝 |
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第一,美國對中共的嚇阻力下降,中共認為關稅戰,自己可以承受更大的痛苦。第二,中共的灰色地帶戰術配合外交攻勢,提供中共封鎖台灣的國際掩護。 |
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第三 台灣政界長期以來的功能失調陷入極化及自滿的惡性循環我特別要提一下這個剛才的第三點因為第一點跟第二點屬於國際趨勢那我們即使是非常的努力那也難以自外於國際社會可是第三點呢是跟我們台灣自己有關係的 |
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也就是所謂台灣政界的長期功能失調陷入了這個極化跟惡性的循環裡面非常清楚的提到了賴清德賴總統那他怎麼講的呢 |
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他說總統賴清德必須跟國民黨以及新興的第三勢力共同運作導致這個政治的僵局那他談到的是說賴清德對於中國大陸滲透的強硬反制也進一步加深了社會的對立以及政治的分裂 |
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也就是說呢我們要談討的是賴清德總統還有或者是我們行政院我們在講團結的時候但卻造成了社會的更加的分裂卓院長你怎麼看這件事 |
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一個專業的經濟性的雜誌所引用的資訊我們當然應該要重視但是裡面所提到的說政府的功能失能我覺得我們都彼此都有責任我們彼此都有責任但你認為應該要怎麼樣去改善呢我們現在就是希望能夠在面對 |
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國際貿易秩序重整當中如果我們展現出讓國際看到台灣的朝野一致朝野一致有包括現在包含你們自己卓榮泰院長你也在什麼人民是頭家上面去宣講去宣講的時候在強調這個大罷免 |
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所以我想要問 整場裡面包含是其他的人這就是一個大罷免的活動你們只是從預算的角度 從你自己的角度去講但從人民的角度看來這就是在分裂台灣 製造更多的對立而且我們也感受到最近有更多越來越多的對立在台灣發生跟您剛剛所講的團結有很大的差異 |
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上一次呢我跟您在質詢的過程當中我就講過了對於產業的支持我們是完全認同的而且呢880億我們也說了希望能夠對產業的扶持提高更多能夠幫助我們的這些中小企業那您也給我一個正面的回覆這個叫做團結可是問題是在我們立法院這個殿堂之外的這些大罷免他就是在製造更多的對立 |
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那剛才羅明財委員也講到了有關匯率的這個問題央行總裁楊金龍他有說台幣沒有受到美國的壓力可是台幣今天一天升九角如果每天這樣子升的話那請問我們的底線在哪裡什麼時候央行才會出手那讓今天的低點30.93不要再繼續滑落下去 |
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我們還是要持續的觀察國際間的貨幣市場的這個國際的情勢那台灣長期以來我們是屬於比較穩定的貨幣我問一下我們上一次跌到30.93是什麼時候 |
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時間請委員來做我也不知道啊 你要回答我啊上一次30.93是什麼時候啊回去查一下所以我的意思是說你們作為 你剛剛講的我們對於關稅 我們對於匯率還有羅明才剛剛委員問了這麼多的問題你們都說你們有做評估你們都說你們有準備 |
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你們都說呢關於匯率我們是一個出口七成的貿易的國家你們都這麼告訴我們的時候我問你上一次跌到今天的低點30.93是什麼時候上一次發生這樣的狀況是什麼時候的時候你竟然只問我你自己不知道我說只問我啦不是只問我不好意思只問我那你自己不知道 |
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我們可以去查正確的資料告訴委員只是我跟委員報告一件事情央行總裁是定時都會向行政院也會向總統報告我國的整體經濟的行情我知道啊 你剛剛已經回答過羅明財委員的你就不用再重複回覆了因為我們現在都有網路的直播就想要問這兩天的變化跌到30.93會不會繼續下跌 |
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這兩天的變化或許下週央行總裁就會有一份報告過來給我們看我們會再跟央行總裁有報告之後所以要等到下一個禮拜或許因為明天我們就會休兩天下禮拜應該會央行總裁會來報告 |
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所以我想要請問一下我們現在的規劃如果跌到27塊的話是我們現在政府能夠接受的嗎27比1我們能夠接受嗎 |
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這個對產業的調適能力應該是很大的衝擊但是我們認為現在我們沒有做這樣的一個評估啦所以請問您能夠保證30.93%已經是最低點了嗎不會再往下了嗎 |
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我再重複我國並不是一個這個政治去操控匯率的國家所以所以跌到27是有可能發生的事情嗎我現在是說有或是沒有對這個大家的心理狀況會產生很大的變化因為大家都在擔心所以我必須要問你啊如果今天跌到了27塊錢的話你也知道對產業的影響是有多麼的大嘛所以我們既然要救這個國家也要先救市啊 |
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否則的話我們出口我們對股市股市我們有幾套的做三套的措施穩定股市那如果這兩天的變化央行會認為我們應該多投資一些什麼樣的因應措施的話那麼這一點一定現在就要去做了因為我們過去是到33甚至有到34現在呢31.1然後最低還跌到30.93這是很久沒有出現的這個情況 |
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非常非常的重要你們一定要注意不然我們的出口產業我們出口產業倒了我們進口產業沒降價這個時候對所有台灣人民造成的影響那是不可逆的好我要問的是有關於郭志輝的這個部長經濟部長 |
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經濟部長他已經有非常多次的發言爭議我不一一的說因為太多了最近的是台電如果員工看不下去可以離開那您也說了你會找他談談再來以蒙古鎮比喻台積電跟英特爾的合資案再來他說電價不是越便宜越好而且還說不必每一個房間都裝冷氣我想要請問一下院長你們家每一個房間都有裝冷氣嗎 |
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也沒有你就是裝這個客廳啊 臥室等等的好 我今天因為那個經營部長不在不然我也想問他不必每房都裝冷氣然後呢 也被批評說你沒有同理心那如果有人家裡想要裝冷氣的話你管他這麼多要做什麼呢還有我們在台灣晶片被課稅百分之百的時候郭志輝院長表示不一定不合理啊 |
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被柯真晶片百分之百關稅要講說不一定不合理被問到這個問題的時候那呢被認為他沒有去捍衛台灣的產業利益可能會對談判造成不好的影響甚至 |
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台股暴跌的時候他說這是景氣循環的一部分我們都知道當時的這個暴跌是因為川普的政策而不是說這是景氣的一部分所以大家覺得你沒有提出解決的方案這裡我就想講了 |
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郭志輝部長從他上任以來我還不談他菲律賓綠電沒有經過你們的了解就已經公然宣布這樣子的一個事情引發外界嘩然我想要問的是他如果說看不下去可以離開那請問我們人民看不下去郭志輝部長的時候他是不是應該要離開經濟部長的位置了 |
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跟委員說明我會邀郭部長一起用具體的行動去關懷我們包括國營世界戰略的所有勞工夥伴表達政府把勞工當作政府重要資源也珍惜他們為國家的奉獻 |
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他的話已經說出口傷害到很多人了而且我剛剛我們再看一下這上面每一個每一個都是他的相關的爭議那所以我們很多人都已經認為郭志輝是一個不合格的經濟部的部長所以卓榮泰院長你身為院長底下的部長做得好做得不好 |
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你也應該要負起責任如果像郭志輝這樣子他說做不好那就不想做可以離開那人民看不下去認為他做不好的時候是不是經濟部長也應該要準備下台了院長您的意思呢是 郭部長是來自民間企業的主持人他把民間企業的效率帶進政府這一點我是值得肯定的 |
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但是大的企業所以你覺得現在的經濟部非常有效率嗎大的企業他有自己調適的能力身為一個部長更應該廣泛照顧到所有的企業在政府的部會所長的情況底下應該更廣泛去提出整體面的政策不是啊 這不是提出整體面啦 |
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經濟我們的關稅如果被課百分之百的話晶片不一定不合理大家問你是哪一國人啊怎麼站在美國的立場講話沒有幫台灣人講話台電的勞工站出來反抗的時候你說不想做不要做也不是代表大家的聲音再來有非常多電價不是越便宜越好 |
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對我們的人民來說電價當然是越便宜越好啊當我們的這個經濟部長已經失能的時候你還在為他講話為他開脫難道他不應該下台嗎他就是在我的眼裡或許部長你院長你不這麼想但在我的眼裡郭志輝部長就是應該要下台了我們繼續下一個討論有關於監理站的這個遷移問題 |
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那個我們也請交通部長那個我們在台北市的監理所也就是八德路的監理所那麼呢這個院長你也坐過我們松山的市議員那大概知道這個監理站的這個位置我也曾經坐過光復北路11線對對對所以呢 |
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你應該知道現在這個八德監理所它在整個市中心裡面對於我們整個南松山的發展的前景那造成了一些困擾那尤其是呢市議會已經多次的決議希望這個監理站可以搬遷可是每年一年一遷到現在都沒有搬走這個是市議會它的市議會做出的決議 |
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所以我們看到監理站的現況問題包含了交通擁捨周邊發展受限以及停車困難跟多處市府公設老舊海沙屋的問題所以我們很希望就是說能夠將監理站你看喔 |
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這麼大的一塊土地裡面它只有四層樓後面全部都是空地其實這是浪費了很多台北市精華地段的空間所以我想要請問一下我想要請問一下什麼時候我們的監理站才會正式的搬遷讓這個地方其實台北市政府都已經規劃好了要做一個13層樓的大樓 |
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包含是可能我們相關的市政機關的遷入還有包含民眾的休憩空間但現在就在於說千里站一直卡在這個地方沒有按照原本的期程去搬遷所以我想要請問一下千里站什麼時候我們才會按照預定的計畫搬遷完畢30年前我住光復北路11巷的時候那時候有一個瓦斯球我們希望他搬走 他已經搬走了 |
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那個時候我就認為監理站這個地方如果能夠大街過的都市的更新開發對當地地區的發展是有效的我們看一下下一張團片交通部現在有沒有進一步的計畫報告委員 這個計畫已經有在景美有做一個規劃希望搬遷的地方那現在在做變更的設計當中 |
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那再跟地方溝通我們會盡速啦盡速 可以可以多快因為我之前一直問的時候就是不斷的拖延不是你們拖延我在台北市政府市議會的時候我問然後他們來問中央都拖了一年又一年又一年所以請問可不可以給我們一個答覆到底在什麼時候呢現在至少已經有一個計畫要搬遷到景美啦那這個部分如果我們可以加速的話我們會趕快加速趕快搬過去 |
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最後因為時間不太夠我要問一下淨零承諾的問題賴清澤總統他有說過要有淨零的承諾我想要請問一下我們在關於電動機車跟電動汽車的部分電動機車按照我們先前的評估跟規劃我們有達到我們的目標嗎 |
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電動機車的目標確實是我們今年蠻擔心的因為只有10.5%差了一倍左右因為時間不夠我就直接講所以希望我們能夠針對油電銷售比的制度讓車商逐年販售的電動車跟混合比汽機車都一樣有明確的獎勵 |
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也讓更多的電動汽車它能夠被市民所接納主要電動汽車跟一般的汽車的價格是差不多的相對我們距離台上的汽車會有很大的補償的問題可以做到嗎好 謝謝好 謝謝許曉欣委員的質詢謝謝卓院長 交通部長的備詢 謝謝委員會我們現在休息十分鐘十分鐘之後我們繼續進行質詢現在休息 |
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我們現在繼續開會接下來我們請吳宗憲委員質詢陳寅委員請準備謝院長那我們請卓院長以及陳部長交通部陳部長麻煩再請卓院長交通部長備詢卓院長那個陳部長辛苦了午安 |
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副委員好兩位好 |
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那個院長我先跟你請教一下因為剛剛那個本來我問的問題然後剛好那個徐曉新委員也有提到就經濟學的那篇文章那因為剛剛院長有跟徐曉新委員回答說因為這文章您還沒看過所以說細節部分我就不多討論但是他所提到的三個變數的其中一個其實是有討論到台灣內部的問題 |
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他當然是提到就是說賴總統他的一些施政的方向其實讓我們內部其實產生一些分裂那這個部分呢還是回過頭到回到之前我跟院長有報告過兩次其實兩次我都有提到其實我們台灣需要的真的是大團結不是大罷免那全台灣2350萬人其實就算40% |
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可能就一千萬人嘛那難道我們要用一千萬人跟另外一千多萬人就彼此就不是一家人嗎所以這是我一直希望說我們台灣應該走向團結只有團結我們才有力量一致對外好那先謝謝院長好那院長我想請教幾個問題那也順便先請教部長好了部長 |
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我其實之前有跟您那個諮詢過兩次就是有關月台啊火車月台設置這個柵欄的問題嘛那以前部長是跟我提到說因為火車它的門的位置設置不一樣所以那個月台門變成它設計上會有一些問題但是我最近看到那個高雄站設置的那個纜繩式的 |
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那那個就不會受到火車規格的影響嘛那我不知道說因為接下來我們還有三個特等站就是台北台中花蓮那還有28個一等站跟25個二等站那大概什麼時候可以設置完畢因為我跟部長報告一下這光四月份就四月上旬有一個人落軌死亡 |
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私冤下旬有一個人落軌然後被截肢那我想請教部長這個大概還要多久才能夠在全國各地設置完畢 謝謝我們現在正在試辦的過程而已那這一組目前你所看到的這個大概明年的 |
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2、3月份就會正式上線來使用那目前我們先測試看一下因為如您剛剛所說的我之前向您報告過因為它的門每一個車車的門的位置不一樣所以只好用這種纜繩式的這個柵門這個柵欄 |
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我們現在正在試辦試辦完之後我們會先挑因為台鐵的車載實在是非常多現在試辦這一冊就要1.5億當然試辦價格會比較高但實際在做就不會那麼貴的狀態不過我們還是會挑挑說第一 安全比較有疑慮例如說人比較擁擠或者是那邊相對是事故的比例比較高的地方我們會優先來設置 |
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那陸續會來推動我想因為日本的新幹線他早就有這樣的設置那我覺得因為一路以來我還是蠻希望說這個月台安全是很重要的因為我以前當檢察官的時候我自己外勤就驗過被火車碾斃的其實那個對家族來說因為那個是支離破碎對家族來說是很大的打擊 |
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那我想說部長這個速度這個能加速趕快處理這個絕對是福國利民這個沒有任何的值得懷疑的地方再麻煩您加速當然1.5億這確實金額不低那當然在金額上面再麻煩部長也能多用心盡量讓這個我們國人繳的稅能夠用在該用的地方那接下來我再請教一下就是高鐵那個 |
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宜蘭的延伸案件我在禮拜三的時候有跟部長有討論過這個議題啦那我想說現在這個問題還是出在說目前雖然說鐵道局公布有79.6的那個居民希望說能夠趕快過當然啦他還是有一些不一樣的聲音所以這個溝通上面其實是非常重要就像上一次公聽會的時候我全程都有在場那我們去現勘的時候當時那個二龍村的村長林村長他到場 |
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他就還在那邊不高興說他完全沒有得到通知他是看到突然那一天來了很多警察他才知道要到那邊現勘然後現場就有非常多的抱怨所以我想說所以我才會在禮拜三的時候我請教部長說這個目前還是有很多疑義啦我們都希望這個交通建設能夠趕快完成但是還是有很多民眾有一些不一樣的聲音那我們只能透過多溝通 |
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然後的方式然後讓他們能夠安心嘛就像焦溪的那個代表會的副主席他有提到說很多農民包括返鄉親農他們都提到說擔心農地被徵收之後的切割零碎化的問題還有那個排水水路的被切斷的問題啦然後也有人思考到就是高鐵沿線兩旁有沒有土地限建的問題還有就是車輛造成震動噪音還有景觀的衝擊 |
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我想這些都必須透過溝通的方式來去解決 |
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之前那個環境部部長其實那個彭部長他其實也有提到就是說跟地方上面很多的衝突不應該由這個環評會來解決他其實是希望交通部這裡就要處理我不知道部長你有什麼想法報告委員在部長答覆之前跟委員報告因為這個事情牽涉到交通部還有環境部如果是環評的狀況所以我日前我有請工程會曾經的諸位也要進行協調來統合這個部分我想 |
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主委他會了解很多的事情但是細節請交通部長好 謝謝院長報告委員 這個溝通的部分不只是公聽會我們其實在法定上面的公聽會當然辦過三場那之後我們還有環評的會議但是我們的鐵道局平常有需要溝通的時候我們隨時都可以到地方下去溝通甚至是說明 |
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我的意思是說不一定公聽會才是一種形式啦各種的說明方案其實我們也都陸續在進行那包含我們經德政委他其實也到地方溝通過非常多次那陳俊宇委員其實也協助我們在地方上做不一樣的溝通跟各個鄉鎮之間的溝通其實我們不斷在進行所以不是只有公聽會這種形式啦 |
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各種形式我們都在進行沒關係 那這個因為我們禮拜三的臨時動議的時候其實提案已經有提到了嘛那部長也有提到有關這個部分因為我自己是回過頭去想事情陳副主委說明一下沒關係 就是因為最近有一些狀況的發生其實都是源自於溝通不良啦 |
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包括我覺得最近有一些民生議題或者是一些反對的聲音出來其實都是就是有人會批評說政府傲慢或是不聽人民的聲音我想就是因為這個原因所以我才希望說交通部能夠跟地方能夠多溝通當然我也知道政委也很努力在撮合這件事這個我也是滿感謝政委的能夠為我們宜蘭人能夠做這麼大的努力 |
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那我也知道大家都努力在這件事情上面但是拜託溝通上面一定要我們都要盡全力去處理那如果說本期這邊如果有需要的情況下我們也有可能會辦一些說明會那到時候可能再 |
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邀請看部長願不願意一起出席啦如果有必要的話那我再請教部長就是國道五號塞車的問題因為國道五號塞車這個已經講了十年了大家也煩十年了啦那這個國道五號塞車這個會影響到觀光客而且會影響到在地人的生活品質 |
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那我自己這樣常跑宜蘭包括我以前常來當立委之前也常帶家人去宜蘭玩那我們發現一個狀況就是我發現有兩個關卡這我個人的潛見覺得有兩個關卡第一個就是說你在平面上面在管制的時段內你平面上面要上高速公路的那個雜道移控 |
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就會卡很久我們會在平面上面卡很久那平面上卡很久也會影響到宜蘭在地人的那個交通的順暢度那第二個就是在高速公路上面他在頭層交流道國道警察局前面還有一支紅燈那一支紅燈也常常讓後面國道5號上面南向那個北上就是往北那邊大塞車我想部長你一定知道這個狀況對吧 |
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那現在是這樣啦我想請教一下就是因為設置這個移到控管的這個其實他會不會變成是只是讓那個主線過雪隧過去看起來沒塞車可是其他地方就塞爆了呢會不會有這個東西 部長報告委員其實高速公路的這個移控閘道的管制其實是一個智慧化的管制啦那這個部分其實是很科學的他們有計算過 |
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你讓他全部上去塞其實整體在那個時間比如說五個小時好了能夠通過的車流是少的那如果讓上面不塞塞在下面五個小時之後整體的車流是多的那我們當然是希望更多車可以順利通過嘛所以這是一個很科學的一個技術 |
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我想說我們就是點出問題啦當然我個人的個性也是會尊重專業但是專業就是我覺得要滾動式的一直不停的研究看有沒有更新的想法就像上面那一支紅綠燈的那個控管我想請教部長它是固定秒數還是浮動的秒數我想現在都有智慧移控不只是砸到跟地方政府的這個我是說那個高速公路上面那一支紅綠燈是固定秒數嗎 |
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應該是智慧的那沒關係我在這邊提醒因為部長你沒有辦法肯定答案那我是想我是個人是覺得啦如果他還是固定秒數的話那是不是我們可以利用一些大數據的方式或是同時去了解高速公路上面的車流量以及高速公路底下路那個平面道路的車流量去有效的去做出最好的秒數控管好嗎報告委員這個都是智慧移控智慧移控他不會是固定秒數對我意思就是說 |
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所以我剛請教嘛,因為部長沒有辦法確定是或不是嘛那如果說,好沒關係齁應該不是固定秒數,他是智慧移動對,你不能跟我說應該啦齁,那沒關係我的,所以我今天的講法就是說再麻煩您了解一下,如果他是固定秒數或者是如果他的那個控管的方式是他的控管的 |
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模式是比較早期的那是不是我們能夠再優化更現代化進步一點好嗎因為我們的同時控管可以包括高速公路上面以及平面道路的車流狀況好那另外我要請教一個問題啦就是有關慢速車控制的問題因為我其實這段時間我有行文去給一些相關的單位我想請教一下 |
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就是國道5號有沒有可能限速拉高當然他們給我回覆的都是蠻專業的說法他們認為說因為國道5號它是面臨一些環境比較敏感還有施工一些難度等等的問題所以還有就是車速限制拉高 |
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塞車的有效果的那個幫助其實沒有那麼大這個是他們專業給我的答覆沒關係我姑且相信信賴這個專業的判斷如果在沒有辦法調高限速的情況下 |
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那有沒有可能做一些浮動的限速調整或者是能夠對於慢速車的加強管制因為我手上一個資料就是113年這個血稅路段總共發出19.4萬次慢速車的試警它佔總車流的1.78%但是實際開罰的只有605件那今年4月甚至是0開罰 |
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到底這個原因是什麼部長您知道嗎報告委員他只要是慢速我們在血稅裡面其實會有廣播系統去通知他希望他能夠快速一點所以這個部分他如果有加速了大概就不會開罰 |
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那我再跟您說另外一個問題那我知道您的意思我再跟你說另外一個問題目前高速公路高工局認定的慢速車標準是65公里但是警政署開發的標準是70公里因為這兩個單位都公家單位那民眾也搞不清楚所以這個部分是不是麻煩部長能夠協助去協調因為一個是屬於內政部 |
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可不可以去協調一下對於慢速車這個認定的標準是什麼我再重複一次就是高工局認定的慢速車標準是65公里那警政署認定是70公里那如果兩個公家單位有不同的認定那本來在開罰上面或者是管制上面就會有一些比較麻煩的地方因為這是我去調研相關資料之後發現的 |
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我們剛說的你要拉高限速可能有一些技術上面的風險那這個我可以理解但是呢是不是我們至少要求在國道上面大家時速能夠維持一定的要求那這樣可以減少塞車的可能性部長你願不願意去做跟內政部去做一些協調 |
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如果需要溝通我們會來溝通但是我所理解的現在會開罰他都會有個容許值例如說我們最高限數在110但是開到120才會開罰開到120他才會測速照相才會照可能是因為那個容許值的問題委員你既然提到我就去 |
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這部分在麻煩部長 因為那個比例我剛講的19.4萬次的慢速車市景 但是開罰只有605件那個差距是蠻大 那我們其實所作所為 我覺得我就說我的理想啦我們希望好好改善宜蘭的交通以及宜蘭對外的交通 我們希望讓宜蘭人能夠大家能夠提早15分鐘回家陪家人這是我們對於宜蘭的交通上面的想法 |
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因為這段時間我覺得國道5號擁栽其實這不是宜蘭人的錯啦但是卻變成宜蘭人的痛那因為這國道5號其實長期是宜蘭的命脈所以我希望說還能夠趕緊的把它加強因為院長在新村的時候也有說到要把宜蘭打造成一個科技跟觀光的雙廊道我相信說一定我們一起努力為這個事情去做 好嗎 |
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北極乙包括宜蘭是我們的首都圈黃金藍帶而且東部漫和城鄉我也希望把宜蘭放進去因為國道五號不是只有宜蘭它包括花東都有可能會運用到那最後幾秒鐘我跟院長報告一件事因為上次我跟院長報告說那個郭部長總是把我們經濟部給我們的數據當我們質詢他他又說我們數據哪裡來那在他家最近他有一些很奇怪的言論是不是麻煩院長能夠跟部長好好溝通一下 好不好 |
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我會跟他互相檢討鼓勵好謝謝吳宗憲委員質詢謝謝左院長交通部長備詢謝謝接下來我們請陳寅委員質詢邱若華委員請準備 |
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謝謝主席 麻煩請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢要交通部長備詢嗎先不用 待會兒第二題參議員好院長好 您辛苦了已經接近尾聲我想在今天大院總諮詢結束之前我先來跟您詢個假 |
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先跟您詢個價就是說如果呢這個政府如果要放一桶55加侖的核廢料到院長家裡那請問院長想要怎麼收租你才願意讓這一桶放在你家核廢料就是蘭嶼那個規格大罐頭55加侖一桶我不要多一桶就好了我不敢收租因為我同意我隔壁也不會同意 |
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所以這根本就是很困難的事情但是很不幸的從1982年開始當時的執政黨就是國民黨政府用美麗的謊言欺騙了達烏族人將10萬桶55加侖的核廢料大罐頭因為那時候騙說要蓋罐頭工廠 |
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所以這麼大的大罐頭核廢料存置在蘭嶼呢那43年過去了至今都沒有地方可以把它挪走那麼我想如此的傷害政府是怎麼賠都賠不完的那麼今天呢我身為台東的女兒也是原住民的孩子那我今天要在這裡 |
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替這個蘭嶼的居民以及我的族人同胞來討債那我想我先來討個健康債那麼如果說國民黨政府是很夭壽的但是現在我也要講說民進黨政府也不能跟著擺爛因為政府是一體的不管前面政府做了什麼今天我們還是要負起這個責任 |
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在2016年小英總統她代表政府為核廢料儲存在蘭嶼這件事情向達烏族人道歉了2020年的時候本席也陪同時任的賴清德副總統他現在是總統了我們一起到蘭嶼去視察看了當地的建設也關心了當地的醫療 |
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也跟當地的族人甚至齊老資政有很多的對話當時他也允諾了要提升蘭嶼的整個醫療資源而且也拍胸脯說我們政府就是要來解決問題的這些我都記得非常清楚也都有記錄下來衛福部也因此這幾年都逐步的在規劃蘭嶼醫療院所的建置 |
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我想這件事情讓我回想到2019年我們前行政院長蘇貞昌他到恆春去巡視的時候也看了恆春旅遊醫院因為太老舊了就需要重建所以地上八樓 地下一樓的規劃 |
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當時的蘇貞昌院長就非常霸氣的說這個國境之南這個醫院的這個重建就是要錢給錢要人給人經費無上限而且相關的設備錢人要一次到位 |
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我看到這個我真的非常的羨慕今天我們再回到蘭嶼醫院院長的能力完全都不輸給蘇院長而且您的面相顯露出了滿滿的慈悲跟佛心 |
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所以我今天在這裡是不是可以就是說來拜託院長因為昨天我有在衛環委員會質詢這件事情蘭嶼醫療院所分院的建制也露出曙光因為衛福部長邱太元他有答覆本席的質詢就是說 |
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蘭嶼的這個分院的這個興建計劃呢他們可以趕在就是說今年的10月來提出這個興建計劃可以抱怨那我是不是可以請院長可以就是也是很霸氣的說我們如果接到這個興建計劃我可以用最快的速度立刻來核定讓他通過 |
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因為畢竟這件事情從規劃到現在竟然規劃了六年了將近六年了所以我覺得已經給大家太多的時間了我們沒有理由再拖延院長首先向委員說明歷年的政府尤其當時興建核電廠是台灣國家政策經濟有需要 |
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29432.855 |
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所以我們當時對核電廠是接受的只是沒有辦法在對核廢料的處理的情況底下但是我們不能否定過去的努力那現在我們國家有更大的能力希望能夠處理這個問題第一個不要再擴大核廢料的問題第二個就現有的核廢料我們應該想出一個更好的方式 |
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那麼對蘭嶼地區的族人同胞我想政府要表達最大的歉意跟感謝如果沒有這樣的話國家這數十年的經濟發展還是會受到局限的那現在我們回頭過來看看對蘭嶼這些族人同胞的健康我覺得第一個要讓他現在的健康狀態能夠得到很好的照顧所以定期的健康檢查是不是有落實再來醫院的部分我要進一步跟衛福部來了解因為我所了解 |
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現在蘭嶼紅頭段的這個土地施烏比土地當中還有若干比的土地取得是有困難的是不是在解決這個土地取得困難的情況能夠解決之後我們將蘭嶼醫院還有它的衛生所還有它的長照的分站能夠整合起來那我知道地方的計畫是一個三層樓只有20床的規劃而已這個對當地來講雖然是不大但是對意義是相當大的 |
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也可以解決交通問題不需要每件每次都要後送來這也是交通上危險的在基於這樣的理念之下我們先解決土地的問題再來整合三個單位合起來的問題我們再來找經費剛剛提到說這個恆春醫院當時蘇院長是很有把握的說經費不上限那麼如果這些問題解決之後政府也會籌編相當的經費來完成這個工作 |
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我想跟院長報告一下我有致電給這個蘭嶼鄉的鄉長那我想這個土地的取得我也看了那個圖目前大概就是兩筆占用的部分還有一筆小小的這個私人的我想這個部分因為 |
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蘭嶼的居民他們是相當期待這個醫院可以趕快來建制完成所以這個部分我想這個事情已經到今天這樣的一個地步其實是朝一個很正面的方向來 |
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發展只要大家有決心一起push這件事情我認為昨天他們敢在委員會提到十月份這個時間點那麼我覺得這個土地是可以排除困難的那另外就是說健檢的問題跟院長報告 |
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抱歉,從古到今天,我昨天用了一個比喻,叫做這個政府的健檢,給他們的健檢叫一夜情,就一天,然後在短短的四個月內就完成,就沒了。你如果沒有在那四個月去健檢,就沒有,就通通都沒了。 |
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那核廢料是一直不斷的儲存在蘭嶼它是持續的所以政府給這個當地居民的健檢怎麼可以只是一次性所以我本席的要求連同這個核廢料就是說它的這個健康風險的整個評估監測我們要持續的來做那甚至在醫院建置完成之前這些不足的這些醫療我們怎麼樣補償要一併編列經費先來 |
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先來做補救建檢這個項目我覺得我們不能夠長期把它忽略了我會責請衛福部立刻啟動這樣的需求跟實際上去執行經費上我們一定會想辦法來支應 |
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我今天另外一個重要議題就是我們要為花東居民爭取應有的交通正義從6月23日起台鐵票價即將調漲16.8%台北到台東的自強號的票價從783元暴增到936元來回一趟我們得多掏出306元 |
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這對長期仰賴這個鐵路的東部鄉親來說這個不僅是一個經濟上的負擔的加重更是一個我們生存權力的威脅那我們一條對台東人這一條回家的路怎麼可以成為一個很沉重的這個枷鎖 |
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所以我還要回顧一下我們的交通現實2023年4月25號是柴油列車這個駛過東部的最後一天那結束這數十年來花東居民共同的記憶這當中有人說我們台東的自強號跟西部的自強號是長得不一樣的因為我們 |
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我們在過山洞的時候它是有濃濃的柴油味我想至今那個濃濃的柴油味都在本席的腦海裡一直不斷地繚繞甚至本席的經驗我坐在火車裡靠著窗戶的時候竟然有數十隻的蟑螂向我的鐵路便當爬行而來 |
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這個都是真實的事件 真的令人很難忘懷再加上我們的至今沒有辦法全面雙軌化所以我們會車時間都比西部還長我講了這麼多 我們忍受了這麼多年今天我們唯一趕上的 |
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竟然好像是這個宣布票價要調漲我們卻趕上了這班加價的列車所以這部分我特別還要再提一件事情觀光對台東來講是很重要的事情我們這個經濟命脈 |
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那但是呢 這個觀光兩大成本一個是交通 一個是住宿那當時0403的那個大地震這個花蓮很嚴重那台東連帶受影響嘛那後來政府 感謝政府的補助這個住宿讓我們旅遊業這個從兩成又回到八成我們稍微得以這個喘息片刻但是呢 今天票價的調漲卻又把我們好像又再次推到這個加護病房啦 |
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那這個再這樣繼續下去我看我們就直接推到太平間好了所以今天我要在這邊再講一下拜託 這個票價的問題你們是不是有什麼樣的方案可以來讓我們台東人在這個票價上得到一點正義的補償好 謝謝委員為東部的鄉親提醒政府注意到這個事情 |
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台鐵30年沒有調整票價所以我實在沒有辦法不同意我們做30年的柴油列車啊第一個我實在沒有辦法不同意台鐵交通部送出來這樣的調整的方案這請國人要能夠體諒再來我請陳部長去研究花東地區的台鐵票價調整之後是不是有一個花東的專案有充足的預算可以來支應這個請部長來說明 |
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好 報告委員我們針對花東的居民我們會有一個優惠的方案也都已經跟台鐵說好了就是說花東的居民會用實名制的方式然後會有這個會員的優惠的點數那優惠的點數等於就是現金可以折抵他的這個票價 |
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所以票價上面的漲幅其實會比其他的民眾相對來說是低一些那另外就是說尤其是你所居住的台東因為他地遠地簡所以他的漲幅也沒有像平均漲幅28%這麼高他大概是漲19%在台東的部分那如果再加上優惠的票價的話台東居民的優惠票價算起來其實漲幅不會想像中這麼高 |
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你不能看目前的漲幅啦因為你要計算我們那數十年的人壽啦那些忍耐那還有這個將就啦那我想至少它我們你們也提出一個比較具體的方案我想我回去也會再 |
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再精算試算一下看看這樣到底合不合理那也非常感謝你們可以在這個時候提出一個比較具體的方案我想大家要正視這份這個歷史的欠帳那我最後一點時間我趕快來詢問一下就是 |
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在台東卑南鄉山里隧道跟周邊活化計畫那當然這個也是地方我們鄉親非常關心的問題那在因為這個案子當時2020年11月23號提出可是也因為這個生態敏感地帶 |
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有數百隻的這個蝙蝠棲息然後這個案子就因此停擺也非常遺憾那當時那個4月9號莊瑞雄委員有質詢的時候你們有承諾今年要啟動這個新的這個修正後的計畫但是沒有說明期程跟經費所以我今天特別再來槌尋一下我們這個案子到底在經費的編列上還有是怎麼樣然後什麼時候可以開始 |
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動工期程大概多久請回答報告委員您與莊瑞雄委員都相當關心這個議題所以觀光署很努力在今年的11月份我們就會來開工我們總經費會有4000萬今年的11月份就會來開工那明年的年底之前就會完成整個串聯景觀的改善提升計畫 |
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好謝謝那院長你應該也還沒去過吧那我們就擇日是不是擇日跟院長還有我們部長一起好到這個我們這個小黃山那邊去會勘一下好的我請部長來安排好來安排好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝陳營委員質詢謝謝卓院長交通部長被詢謝謝 |
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接下來我們請本日登記最後一位諮詢委員邱若驊委員請諮詢好謝謝主席主席有請行政院卓榮泰院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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市委員好院長好院長本期看了您的經歷您是在民國76年的時候投入政壇當時擔任時任台北市議員謝長廷的議會助理後來也擔任過民進黨主席政務委員行政院秘書長也做過市議員立法委員等重要職務所以本期想請教院長您當初是基於什麼樣的理念決定投入政治這條路因為 |
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大學念了法律之後我覺得國家的法律應該朝向一個更正常化的尤其那個時候是在戒嚴時期讓國家能夠更正常化脫離這種戒嚴體制是當時很多年輕人的想法所以我就投入那樣的工作 |
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OK 好 謝謝院長的分享本席認為當民意代表最重要的事就是反映鄉親的需求為地方爭取建設改善國人的生活品質並且進而讓國家變得更好本席今天依舊要向院長提出我們地方的需求雖然跟交通沒有直接的關係還是希望能夠得到院長的支持與協助 |
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我們現在看到,院長,我們桃園是一座持續發展的新興城市,人口逐年上升,以本席所服務的八德區為例,因為土地重劃,也帶動住宅用地的增加。我們看到人口隨之上升,從105年的18萬7千多人成長至114年3月的21萬5千4百多人, |
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那十年間我們看到就增加了兩萬七千六百五十人而且未來還有持續成長的趨勢那院長請問您知道我國所謂的八大行庫是指哪八家銀行 |
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就是財政部所屬的八大行庫包括義營、台營、土營很多八大行庫沒錯 這八大有台營 院長您說的土地銀行還有義營 兆豐、華南、彰化合作金庫以及台灣企營本席要再次向院長反映目前八大行庫中除了台灣銀行之外其餘七家都已經在巴德區設立了分行 |
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也有很多巴德區的民眾不斷的向本席反映希望台銀能夠在巴德設立分行那向院長報告那本席也多次的跟台銀來進行協調嘛那因為台銀他受限於法規的關係要新設立分行確實有不少難度那在今年二月本席跟台銀我們討論出一個折衷的方案就是由台銀他們自行找尋地點在兩個 |
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在5月內設立ATM也向院長報告台穎已經在4月底跟巴德國民運動中心來達成協議預計5月就可以完成設置ATM本席在此也非常感謝台穎給予的協助感謝他們回應民眾的需求不過本席要強調的是設置ATM只是一個階段性只是一個折衷的做法 |
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那本席還是希望能夠回應民眾的需求畢竟ATM它不能取代分行所能提供的完整的金融服務那麼本席剛剛有提到八大公股行庫中那唯獨台銀沒有辦法設點那是因為金融機構國內分支機構管理辦法裡面在民國96年前它的規範相對寬鬆那所以這法規它逐步趨延在 |
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銀行新設分行的難度也相對的提高了嘛那又因為台銀跟一般的商業銀行不同他必須配合政府許多重大政策像是發行生肖紀念套幣嘛所以在這個國內分支機構的管理辦法裡面呢他的第三條第二項第十款的規定那造成要新設立 |
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分行的困難是極高的所以本席想要請卓院長協助與金管會演繹針對公股銀行看能不能適度地來放寬它的標準新設分行的標準讓台銀也能在巴德設立分行真正地回應民眾的期待以及需求院長您願意來促成嗎 |
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謝謝委員的建議桃園是一個快速人口成長的地區而且是相當多的年輕人這是一個桃園市的特色那我們現在對金融除了希望金融單位各個航庫公民營的航庫 |
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作為做金融的創新之外另外有一點非常重要是普惠金融普惠金融另外意思也就是要普惠大眾所以我希望財政部台銀能夠重新的去思考不是站在競爭的角度而是站在服務的角度是不是能夠在適當的地區要普設他的分堂單位這樣才能夠在普惠大眾普惠照顧的情況底下去做更多的金融創新跟服務 |
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尤其本席上次也提到賴清真總統他也實現了他的政見嘛現在正在推動桃園桃竹苗大矽谷計畫也啟動了嘛那我們希望不管是交通金融那尤其在金融然後還是文化教育醫療方面都可以全部來到位所以本席請院長在金管會進行研議我會請財政部台銀都來研議這個議題謝謝院長那接下來我們看到交通的議題麻煩請交通部長 |
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那本席也要先請問院長那中央政府針對新增的公共工程還有計畫的預算編列是不是要經過行政院核定之後才能夠編列預算的新增的公共工程預算原則是這樣子沒有錯嗎那也就是說原本沒有核定的計畫就算現在核定了他也不會壓縮到今年的預算院長對嗎 |
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今年我們會想盡辦法來做最少的衝擊但未來如果牽扯到財政收支劃分法的話那我們必須要做重新的思考要嘛地方政府多做一些承擔 分擔要嘛就是時間要拉很長我倒不希望時間拉長我希望中央地方合理的完成那院長我們來看捷運三鷹線延伸巴德一案 |
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本席在去年的10月18日交通組質詢中就有要求行政院來計數核定本案院長您當時也承諾會盡快的來了解請問院長您知道距離本席上次質詢至今過了幾天嗎 |
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天數沒有辦法計算但是過程是不是部長了解清楚已經過了197天了本席也直接跟院長說那從交通部去年9月20日呈報行政院至今過了225天院長您知道目前三一線延伸巴的案子目前核定了嗎報告委員目前行政院還在審核當中還沒有核定是還在審核當中那院長我們來請看投影片 |
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本席在一四預算審查時向行政院提出了加快核定三陰線延伸八德的主決議當時行政院與本席做溝通行政院給予本席兩個回覆主要為下列兩點我們來看到第一點 |
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是近年桃園周邊有許多捷運的建設的計畫怕通過本案會互相排擠到其他捷運建設的所需要的經費那第二點是針對LB12A LB13站它進出人口以及運量不足的問題要求交通部督導地方政府針對這兩站來進行評估那院長請教您一個問題您知道目前山陰縣它的主體工程進度到哪裡了嗎 |
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30509.75 |
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首先剛剛委員所說的那個理由應該是國發會在審議的時候所提出的相關的意見也是反映地方上的意見是不是部長說明一下我們三一線目前的主體工程進度到哪裡了它已經在試運轉是沒錯那這邊也向院長報告它目前的進度已經達82.87%並已經開始無人駕駛動態測試那按照今年的規劃它預計今年年底就可以完工明年 |
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30533.722 |
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那在今年4月21日的時候新北市長侯友宜也帶著多位的市議員還有里長共同視察並且親自試乘列車代表地方市政府以及民意都非常的重視這條捷運的進度那再請教院長一個問題一項公共建設在綜合規劃之後他還需要經過哪一些流程還有建設計畫 |
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建設計畫他通常還要經過細部細部設計發包施工動工才能完工嘛那代表合定之後還需要一段時間他才有機會進行公開招標進而動工那三一線他在這個綜合規劃合定之後經過了415天才開始動工那院長您知道我們桃園目前有幾條通過合定的捷運尚未動工嗎 |
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其實蠻多的就兩條因為現在捷運正在興建中主要是捷運中線還有捷運綠線延伸到中壢還沒有動工目前正在興建中的是捷運綠線還有基捷延伸到中壢我們接著看就本席了解目前高雄捷運有兩項計畫正在興建中一項正在規劃中高雄捷運興建中跟規劃中的總經費我們看到 |
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30589.15 |
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修正前金額是2278.37億元相較於桃園捷運系統的總經費1973.1億元高出了305.27億那在高雄的這些捷運進化中呢中央負擔的比例是高於地方政府的那桃園剛好相反地方負擔的比例反而是比較高的本席以高雄的捷運來向 |
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院長說明就是要向院長證明捷運山陰線延伸八德案它並不會排擠到其他的捷運工程那本席也詢問過桃園市政府會不會有排擠的可能那本席得到的答覆是不會有排擠的作用所以地方政府都已經明確的表態了可是在行政院院長卻還行政院卻還遲遲的不肯核定那再來我們還是要看到這條山陰線的路線 |
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30640.524 |
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它的起點設在LB12站沿線新增LB12A還有LB13站它兩座高架車站它的終點是與捷運綠線均域零四採共購的方式設置LB14地下車站全長約4.3公里喔院長對於這個路線的規劃設置LB12A還有LB13站您是採什麼樣的態度和立場呢這個就是剛剛委員所說的國發會提出的這12A跟13這兩個站那您現在看到這個路線您是支持還是態度是有所保留的 |
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對不起我沒有辦法照這個圖來我希望交通部能夠在跟地方套的本席也藉這個機會讓院長您來了解嘛行政院國發會的答覆那時候行政院給予本席的答覆是因為人口和運量的問題啊必須要同時移除這兩站如果同時移除這兩站院長您這樣看部長您這樣看會有什麼樣的問題 |
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報告委員這個其實是一個專業的判斷當然車站跟車站之間的距離盡量不要太遠那是所有的捷運系統或輕軌系統的要求這樣看起來是距離有稍微遠一點本席也請教過您那時候本席有問到你知道北捷目前站距之間站與站距離最長的是哪裡是阪南線的龍山市站到江子翠站全長大概是三點 |
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因為他過河因為他是屬於特殊地形的關係他必須穿越新店西河床他屬於他不是一般的市區常態那麼院長我們再來看簡報如果三一線延伸八德段取消LB12A LB13這兩站您估計你這樣看他的站聚會是多長呢這樣看不出來 |
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30762.546 |
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也看不出來沒關係他的站距是4.3公里很明顯的已經超出了北捷線有最長的3.97公里那院長我們要想到如果列車未來行駛在這麼長的距離內他沒有中途站一旦發生災害或是其他緊急狀況是否會增加乘客疏散的困難以及救援的困難 |
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這個我希望將由這個專業的交通來做評估啦是漲占過遠或是有任何這個將來這邊其實也要舉例2014年北捷發生了令全國震驚的捷運殺人案 |
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捷運殺人事件 鄭捷案當時該案就是發生在龍山市道江子翠站這一段的距離經警方調查他刻意選在這一段區間來犯案就是因為佔據太長所以車廂內他難以及時應變以及疏散人潮嘛導致了重大的傷亡事故所以這段血淚的教訓告訴我們啊過長的佔據不只是交通便利系的問題他也可能會攸關到乘客的性命安全啊院長您認同嗎 |
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是 但是這還是我建議啦我們交通專業來評估但是委員所說的這些我們請部長在適當的時間要把它納到評估的過程裡面大家來討論我們要來做評估那我們本系也希望為了能夠有效因應各種突發事件所以三陰線延伸到八德段LB12到LB14它中間必須要設立站點如果LB12A跟LB13站拿掉的話它不只是佔據過長 |
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30864.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
它同時也會造成捷運的可及性大幅向低民眾上下車的便利性變差自然也會達成到達成意願一旦達成意願降低那北北桃的鐵公路運輸系統它的經濟效益也會大打折扣那我們要想到如果拿掉這兩站到時候我們又要重新LB重新評估LB14這個站體它是否能夠負荷這麼大的轉成人潮這都是除站體會帶來的連鎖效應所以不是單純拿掉兩個車站那麼簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
30866.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
30882.407 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
那院長 本身要提醒你喔慈愛已經卡在行政院225天了您的態度是今天聽委員這樣的建議我覺得內容上面有相當參考的價值那我會請交通部 請國發會來考量這個事情 儘速的來做一個定案後來延長一年到今年的6月19日如果後過期限一到 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
30890.376 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
30912.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
後過期限一到車輛耗製還有相關設備又必須被迫重新溢價那單價勢必會提高無疑是加重地方政府的財政負擔那院長您願意在6月19號之前來核定本案嗎報告委員我在這個會期我們會有一個答案跟委員報告能不能夠在6月19號之前核定呢在這個後過期限屆滿之前核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
30913.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
30929.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
我們在這個會期會跟委員報告所以6月19日之前應該是可以有答案是 部長那本席也要提醒你當初蘇貞昌院長只花了15天就核定蘇校委會委員爭取的台鐵鳳鳴站那現在本席看到您花了225天 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
30930.968 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
30952.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
還沒有核定本案喔我們加速 加速把它補上來好 那期待院長您能在6月19號後過期限不要影響到工程的經費以及工程的進度是院長您能承諾嗎可以 可以 我們這個會期結束之前跟委員做一個合理的說明跟溝通這個案子如果能夠可以 緊速的把它定下來好 謝謝院長好 謝謝邱若驊委員的資訊謝謝卓院長 交通部長備詢 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
30958.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
30972.743 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
報應會本日排諮詢的委員均已詢答完畢我們非常感謝卓院長跟相關列席的閣員、首長一起列席答詢報應會在休息之前針對近日司法及法制委員會就本院幕僚長 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
30974.085 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
30992.346 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
等幕僚人員為列席委員會專題報告欲譴責一事本席近日發文給各委員會召委並發布新聞多次說明各委員會召委邀請本月秘書長列席進行報告應確實依照本月各委員會組織法第二條之規定辦理排案 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
30993.263 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
31008.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
由於本週司法及法治委員會安排之議程,預約上開規定,因此本席請本院秘書長等幕僚人員無庸列席。依憲法第67條規定,本院常設委員會,故可邀請政府人員到委員會備詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
31010.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
31026.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
為依照大法官解釋第461號解釋意旨,鑒於立法院監督行政,行政向立法負責之憲政本質。憲法第67條所稱政府人員,細指行政院各部會首長及所屬人員。 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
31027.739 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
31044.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
此關該號大法官解釋及足明瞭原詞我們現在作以下宣告本院配置院會委員會及各單位之幕僚人員需協助委員行使職權並辦理各行政事項依法受本席 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
31045.231 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
31072.771 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
指揮監督與憲法第67條所定政府人員受立法監督有所不同因此針對委員會召委為依本院各委員會組織法第二條規定辦理之專題報告排案本院幕僚人員自無列席義務請議事人員將此次宣告發文各委員會幕僚主管遵行本次會議進行到此為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
31074.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
31083.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
5月6号星期二上午9时我们继续开会进行交通组织咨询再次谢谢卓院长各个院谢谢我们现在休息 |