| IVOD_ID |
166417 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/166417 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-15T11:22:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-15T11:30:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d486c5db5da75906ead08e5e2f7569793d053df696e011f8b1905849ce6681764159dd19c61a0ed75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:22:36 - 11:30:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長及環境部首長就「2027年全面禁止廚餘養豬」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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兩位好時間的關係直接切入主題針對有關於禁用廚餘養豬這樣子的一個政策 |
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那為了所有的民眾食的安全那以及我國豬肉那相關的競爭力那以及防止非洲豬瘟等等的政治考慮大的方向上我們是認同的只是說在政策突然變更的情況之下有一些過度時間的衝擊那那個衝擊所影響到的可能不僅僅是養豬戶他那個衝擊是全面性的 |
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那當然第一個他會處理到的就是廚餘處理的成本那這個廚餘處理的成本之前部長有公開說過說這個轉型成本要往上拉就是不得不的轉型工作那可能包括相關的飲食業者價格是不是會因此而提升等等那目前針對有關於禁止廚餘養豬那這個廚餘處理成本 |
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那藉由飲食業轉嫁到消費者身上你們農業部也好環境部也好有做過評估嗎大概轉嫁的成本會有多少還是呃像彭部長所說的每個公斤5到8元全部都轉嫁嗎跟委員報告主要就是呃 |
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如果不再處理養豬的話就是會用再運用方式去解決這個問題或者是送魂化乳處理那當然要把清運跟處理的成本要把它算進來是是是這個我都講過了但我的意思是說你們有做過影響的衝擊評估嗎就對於我們目前一般的消費者 |
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本來廚餘就是一個垃圾的一部分過去可以廚餘養豬那因為現在基於風險管理已經要斷掉所以它有一個落日嘛落日的時間就是要趕快把那個再利用量上來那個次長你先聽我講話好不好就是你講過的話不用一直複述你一直複述你講過的話沒有意義啊我的問題很具體啊 |
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針對 即使廚餘養豬了以後 廚餘要處理本來不是垃圾 現在變垃圾嘛變成某一種的廢棄物 那處理廢棄物當然有成本嘛它轉嫁到消費者的衝擊影響 你們評估好了嗎有就有 沒有就沒有 這是一個很簡單的問題 |
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有做過衝擊影響評估嗎就是以目前現行的市場上面處理在利用的費用是多少我們就估過那現在市場上面處理在利用的費用是多少輕運家處理估計就是5塊到8塊每公斤是5塊到8塊你們有去市場實際調查過嗎從各縣市環保局這邊所報回來的這樣的一個數據我現在齁 今天我其實會關心這個事情啊你看一下照片啊 應該知道 |
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因為大概在雙北這邊最大的團散的業者他其實處理的是我們國中小學的營養午餐這個會實際的衝擊到我們現在小學生他們每天營養午餐不僅僅是價格的問題 |
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更是品質的問題那為什麼會涉及到品質的問題啊因為本來的這些廚餘都有養豬戶去收嘛那現在沒有養豬戶去收他們自己就要清運嘛那清運涉及到兩個問題第一個他如果是乙級廢棄物的話就要找乙級廢棄物合格的廠商來運嘛那突然在市場上面找不到這麼多廠商你知不知道說他們有的業者是用運營養午餐的餐車去運廚餘到焚化爐去 |
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你知道這個現象嗎這在法規上是容許的嗎如果從非清華來看事業是可以來運送這樣的到環保局指定的地點所以直接用菜車去運沒有問題嗎因為現在業者需要一個清楚的答案 |
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除了這個廢棄物沒有問題之外另外一個就是食安法食安法也有規定就是你不要把廢棄物跟運食物同時運送所以基本上如果是他運完了之後以這個陳明信理事長他的場來講他送完之後他六日的部分沒有去公餐他的車輛是可以做這樣的事情OK好那第二個問題齁我們去關心完了以後因為焚化爐我們所得到的呈刑啊是下午有時候請車子去 |
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在那邊大排長龍要排兩三個小時還不一定排得到所以我們請黨團發文請教你們各個縣市目前在處理廚餘廢棄物的焚化爐各個縣市他目前的量能跟他的分布那上禮拜五請你們回文剛剛我查了到現在都還沒有回文回來還需要多久 |
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我早就發文了上禮拜五請你們回文結果到現在都沒有回覆因為我覺得現在我們在關心反映業者的心聲那業者並不是代表他自己而已他背後還有很多小學生那我們發文給你們請你們上禮拜五下班以前把各縣市的量能讓我們知道嘛 |
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因為我總要去評估業者他們的反應到底有道理沒有道理啊那如果量能不足的話現在接下來要他們怎麼辦你總不可能雙手一攤說量能不足這是你們家的事情那環境部可能說地方政府應該有足夠的量能地方政府有沒有足夠的量能是用嘴巴講的嗎請你們提供一些基本的資訊 |
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現在是覺得在國會裡面對你們的監督反正行政部門不守法不執法大家也拿你們沒皮條嘛是這樣嗎是這種態度嗎上禮拜五下班以前請教你們的問題今天下班以前送來有沒有問題有沒有困難 |
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來請市長跟委員報告一下如果是有限一個時間要我們提供資料還沒有送達我在這邊跟您致歉我回去馬上請他們瞭解一下因為我沒有掌握到這個訊息請今天下班以前送來 |
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要不然的話我跟你沒有辦法進行有意義的討論啊現在廚餘業者到底有幾家每天處理的量能是多少我跟委員報告同仁回報是說我們還沒有收到委員要資料的不可能這是我們黨團發的是我們了解一下好不好好今天下班以前把資料送來是我們收到我們盡快處理然後我最後只講一件事麻煩環境部去真的了解第一線地方政府目前處理的量能因為我聽到如果要去排隊處理這個廚餘 |
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都要花三四小時大排長龍的話 那個現場的狀況環境部或許應該派官員去現場看一看去問一問在排隊的那些業者他們的心聲否則政策一改變一轉彎雖然是好的方向 中間過渡時期的配套要做好嘛否則造成的衝擊影響真的太大市長可以嗎可以嗎可以好 謝謝 |